Australia 'destroying life on Earth'

[Rob Oplawar]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24880012-29277,00.html

Hey, come on guys, quit being so bad for the environment! It's not our fault we're burning all this coal you're giving us!

[n00b1n8R]

:dtonque::dtonque::dtonque:

But yeah, Rudd was a tool setting the targets that low. The report he fucking commissioned said he could easily have set them much higher.

[Heathen]

Oh, I thought it was Australia destroying the English Language
:haw:


Jk aussies.
one letter away from pussies

[Xetsuei]

Nuclear power ftw.

[Bodzilla]

no, not for the win.

Geothermal for the win.
Small tappings of geothermal will power the globe for a thousand years.

[CN3089]

Nuclear power ftw.
oh god i'm agreeing with xetsuei noooo http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/07-19-06-smith.gif

[Bodzilla]

you should feel really, really, dirty.

[Rob Oplawar]

Nuclear is a temporary solution, at best (until we figure fusion out, that is). The world doesn't have enough fissionable materials to last us power-hungry humans a generation.

[CN3089]

Nuclear is a temporary solution, at best (until we figure fusion out, that is). The world doesn't have enough fissionable materials to last us power-hungry humans a generation.
it has enough fissionable materials to last until the sun burns out hth

[Rob Oplawar]

well I guess that depends on your definition of "last". At our current rate of consumption, sure, but to meet the global energy demands, to completely replace fossil fuels, and with the exponential growth of that demand... it won't last long.

[Masterz1337]

I think they need to kill the rabbits first.

[CN3089]

well I guess that depends on your definition of "last". At our current rate of consumption, sure, but to meet the global energy demands, to completely replace fossil fuels, and with the exponential growth of that demand... it won't last long.
hahah what


how rare do you think uranium/thorium/plutonium are

[Rob Oplawar]

Well you see, both Russia and the United States have claimed to have hundreds of nukes but really, most of them are just bomb cases filled with pinball machine parts.

[CN3089]

Well you see, both Russia and the United States have claimed to have hundreds of nukes but really, most of them are just bomb cases filled with pinball machine parts.

little known fact pinball machine parts are the most explosive materials known to man

[Rob Oplawar]

My best friend was killed in a tragic pinball machine explosion when I was 12 years old. We all told him not to, but he wanted the high score, so he pulled the launcher back as far as it would go. I can still see the ball careening out of the launch ramp, everything moving in slow-motion, that last look of joy on his face, and then...

:sobs:

[English Mobster]

...How the hell did we veer so hopefully off-topic in a matter of 5 posts? We went from coal to rabbits to pinball machines...

[Heathen]

I just lol'd irl.

That doesnt happen often.

Thanks mudkip for that stunning evaluation.

[Masterz1337]

Rabbits are a problem in Oz

[Bodzilla]

what did you bastards ever do for us >: (

if where going to hell where taking you bastards with us >:U

[SnaFuBAR]

(until we figure fusion out, that is).
Watch the science channel more often. Been done.

[n00b1n8R]

Watch the science channel more often. Been done.
Not usefully. Requires more energy to run it than it produces.

[SnaFuBAR]

From what i know, a room sized unit was rated as capable of putting out enough power for a small city for well over a decade. The problem was a metal shield inside being worn out quicker than they'd like due to the (hydrogen or helium 3, don't remember which) reacting. It's not energy inefficient... :fail:

[n00b1n8R]

err

The largest current experiment is the Joint European Torus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_European_Torus) [JET]. In 1997, JET produced a peak of 16.1 MW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt) of fusion power (65% of input power), with fusion power of over 10 MW sustained for over 0.5 sec. In June 2005, the construction of the experimental reactor ITER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER), designed to produce several times more fusion power than the power put into the plasma over many minutes, was announced. They are currently preparing the site (Sep 2008). The production of net electrical power from fusion is planned for DEMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMO), the next generation experiment after ITER. Additionally, the High Power laser Energy Research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiPER) facility (HiPER) is undergoing preliminary design for possible construction in the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) starting around 2010.

:words:

]Several fusion D-T burning tokamak test devices have been built (TFTR, JET), but, by design, none have produced more thermal energy than electrical energy consumed. Despite research having started in the 1950s, no commercial fusion reactor is expected before 2050. The ITER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER) project is currently leading the effort to commercialize fusion power.
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power)

sorry snafles

[TeeKup]

Someone just invent an Arc Reactor.

[nooBBooze]

So is the Large Hardon Collider induced doomsday called of or what

[TeeKup]

It broke shortly after activation.

[Rob Oplawar]

I read an article about a couple of guys with a small business startup, with an indeterminate amount of funding, who want to build a miniature basement fusion reactor. It reminds me of Dr. Kleiner's lab.
*googles a bit*
Aha: http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-12/machine-might-save-world

[Sel]

Or pay people to use them as power for so many hours a week, like the matrix except less sinister :downs:

[Mr Buckshot]

Thank god I live in BC. Hydroelectric dams and windmills ftw!!!

On a side note, Canada is sitting on craploads of oil, potentially more oil than Saudi Arabia, but the oil output is paltry compared to even Nigeria. Maybe that's a good thing though.

[TeeKup]

You do realize more often than not dams cause massive agricultural damage and ecological destruction upstream right? Nothing is without a downside.

[Warsaw]

There are only enough fissionable materials on Earth to last us about 130 years or so at current rates, and those rates are increasing. So while I do say nuclear, it is a temporary measure at best. I'm going to have to agree that geothermal is the best quick option we have right now that doesn't require comparatively huge plots of land like solar and wind energy do. If we're willing to invest, we could place solar panels in orbit, but then you'd have some sunlight blockage, not to mention expensive maintenance.

[Hotrod]

I think they need to kill the rabbits first.
:O


Rabbits are a problem in Oz
What did we ever do to you?:saddowns:

[Ifafudafi]

Of course then there's all the research going into fusion-generated power, but that will take a bit more than 130 years to perfect.

[Heathen]

Need Moar Mr Fusion.
http://journeyhomeburke.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/mr-fusion.jpg

[Warsaw]

We don't know that. At this point, we don't even know if it can be perfected.

[Rob Oplawar]

I love Back to the Future 2. We're only 6 years away from Mr. Fusion, flying cars, holographic sharks, hoverboards, voice-activated hydrators that magically produce steaming pizzas, and my favorite: Fax machines in every room of the house!

[Heathen]

You forgot the voice activated clothes.

and fyi, 3 was best.

[n00b1n8R]

n, 2.

ps. how did old biff go to 195X, give young biff the book, then go back to 20XX in the timeline where fry was still a pov idiot.

[Heathen]

2 was good but 3 was balls.

And that is good.

[n00b1n8R]

:O


What did we ever do to you?:saddowns:
feral rodents destroying ecosystems.

ps. nowhere near enough time traveling space time continuey craps in 3.

[Mr Buckshot]

I thought geothermal only works in some specific geographic areas? Iceland can definitely do it, but what about, say, California? The underground geology of California doesn't look like it can provide geothermal anything.

[Bodzilla]

but the geothermal when it's tapped doesnt have to be within the state to be able to get hte level of power to the other states.

people forget just how much energy there is down there, it's insane. where talking about a well tapped area could power say, Britain on it's own.

[n00b1n8R]

but the geothermal when it's tapped doesnt have to be within the state to be able to get hte level of power to the other states.

people forget just how much energy there is down there, it's insane. where talking about a well tapped area could power say, Britain on it's own.
Great theory, just the small problem of electrical resistance.

Unless you were planning on making all the long distance power lines out of supercooled superconductors. http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-science.gif

[Bodzilla]

it's gotta be better then building reactors everywhere

[SnaFuBAR]

err

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power)

sorry snafles
HNNNG, no 3am TV for me anymore >__<


I thought geothermal only works in some specific geographic areas? Iceland can definitely do it, but what about, say, California? The underground geology of California doesn't look like it can provide geothermal anything.

Hahahaha, what the fuck do you know? Come on mate, you're talking out of your ass, you don't know shit about the "underground geology" of California. We have hot springs and a fucking caldera, what the fuck do you think??


Because of its location on the Pacific's "ring of fire" and because of tectonic plate conjunctions, California contains the largest amount of geothermal generating capacity in the United States.

Please stop talking to make yourself look cool/smart.

[Xetsuei]

it's gotta be better then building reactors everywhere

Is that bad? No it's not. I don't even need to argue it, nuclear power ftw.

E: Might as well add some stuff for you fuckwits: Fissionable materials can be used, and then re-used, for a long time. And from the article it looks like they're developing reactors that can use depleted material (not sure how though). Nuclear reactors in themselves are not harmful to the environment in any way, probably best way to make power next to geothermal. If you want to know more, read the wikipedia article on nuclear reactors.

[Bodzilla]

geothermal trumps nuclear in every way >_>

[Xetsuei]

Care to provide reasons?

[Bodzilla]

Tappable power, safer, alot better long term.

[Xetsuei]

Tappable power, safer, alot better long term.

Why is it safer and better long term? Sure we might run out of fissionable materials, but that's a looong way from now and fusion would probably be being perfected.

[Bodzilla]

long term it has less impact on the environment, because your drawing from the environment it's self. the ones i saw where the product of super heater water, so it's basically steam.

Safer, the consequences of something going wrong are nothing to the extreme of nuclear reactors, even recent ones.

and the amount of tappable power down there far out ways nuclear with the materials we have readily available.

[FluffyDucky™]

Zilla you know too many things. Tell me what makes our o-zone layer fuck up like it is here.

[SnaFuBAR]

Don't forget that if you build a home with its own geothermal tap you're completely independent from any power companies, you're off the grid. Couple this with things like a "green" roof and solar or wind power and you're set. You could even have a car that runs off of hydrogen, and create it through electrolysis of your tap water. Seen a guy do exactly that.

[TeeKup]

I don't trust Nuclear power to be honest because of the possibility of Human error. Not to long ago the Catawba Nuclear plant was shut down because some fuckwit at the plant didn't follow proper procedure putting the core in an unstable state. If the core wasn't shut down the entire Fort Mill/Rock Hill/South Charlotte area would have been......"affected"

I'll stick with geothermal and solar energy. Underground geothermal devices under homes have already proven their worth and are efficient. Solar panels just need to be a bit more advanced and they'll be in the same boat. Sorry Xet, I don't want to live next to a farm of reactors one day.

[Rob Oplawar]

The trouble with solar is that there's a physical limit on the amount of energy accessible in sunlight. I'm not convinced covering your roof in the most efficient solar panels imaginable would be sufficient to power your home and the electrolysis for your car(s). I might be wrong, though, and solar is clearly part of a feasible solution. I guess my point is that it's not the entire solution.


I think the real key in the next few years is finding a safe and efficient method of storing excess energy for use when your generator isn't running at full capacity (say, on a cloudy day). Batteries are a real problem- rechargeable batteries are made of exotic materials mined in other countries, and have a set lifetime. With our current technology, we might be able to switch completely to solar in a couple of years, but then the oil problem would just be replaced by the battery problem.

Hydrogen tanks are dangerous- far more so than a gasoline tank, I would think, because the contents are under immense pressure and the tank itself would become one or many deadly projectiles if it ruptured. Still, SCUBA tanks are common, so I may be overinflating the danger. But the other side of the issue is that electrolysis is inefficient, and so are fuel cells-- unless, of course, you use rare exotic minerals mined in other countries.

The alternative to tanks for storing hydrogen is a type of material that hydrogen can easily bond with and more importantly, can easily separate from as well. Once again, though, this poses the exotic material problem, although in theory we could produce cheaper variations from more common materials.

People are examining the feasibility of using compressed air to store the energy- there are several problems with it, but it might prove feasible nonetheless. If you've ever seen a SCUBA tank being filled, you know that you have to surround it with water to keep it cool because as the air is compressed it gets very hot. Also, the compressors can be very noisy, and so are the electrical generators that run on compressed air. It's probably not feasible on a per-household basis.



I think the reason geothermal is so appealing is that it appears to be a consistent source of energy, that is, if you were to build a generator capable of outputting your maximum energy demand then you would never even have to worry about storing the energy (except, of course, with your car, but I digress), because it would always have that amount of energy available. The trouble I see with geothermal is that it seems like it would be really expensive to build a generator, because you have to dig very deep in the ground- far deeper than a well. I live in the mountains of Colorado- how deep would I have to dig to power my house geothermally?

Energy is lost in transmission, but I think the gain in efficiency by doing it in bulk, and the ability to redistribute excess power as demands in regions vary, greatly outweigh that loss.



In summary: there is no such thing as free energy, storage of energy will always be a necessity, and while not strictly necessary, the power grid is nonetheless a far better idea than having every home power itself independently.

[English Mobster]

Vouch for nuclear all you'd like, but you'll be thinking completely differently once the excretory fecal matter impacts with the Aperture Science Rotating Air Circulation Device.

[p0lar_bear]

Or pay people to use them as power for so many hours a week, like the matrix except less sinister :downs:

Have the power companies hire a bunch of fat people and put them on the treadmill power generators.

The country gets a renewable power source and America's obesity problem is solved.

[Rob Oplawar]

^ in New York (I think that's where it is) there's a proposal for tourist ferries that double as gyms, powered by the workout equipment inside. Lol.

[Xetsuei]

long term it has less impact on the environment, because your drawing from the environment it's self. the ones i saw where the product of super heater water, so it's basically steam.

Safer, the consequences of something going wrong are nothing to the extreme of nuclear reactors, even recent ones.

and the amount of tappable power down there far out ways nuclear with the materials we have readily available.

Nuclear power "draws from the environment itself", it's where they get the fissionable materials. Nothing goes wrong in a nuclear reactor unless you want to be like the Chernobyl people and turn all the safety systems off and do a fun little experiment. Have you even seen what the recent ones are capable of? And how safe they are? Sounds like your making accusations you can't back up. I doubt you also know how much steam is locked up under the earth, and how long we can use it for.


I don't trust Nuclear power to be honest because of the possibility of Human error. Not to long ago the Catawba Nuclear plant was shut down because some fuckwit at the plant didn't follow proper procedure putting the core in an unstable state. If the core wasn't shut down the entire Fort Mill/Rock Hill/South Charlotte area would have been......"affected"

I'll stick with geothermal and solar energy. Underground geothermal devices under homes have already proven their worth and are efficient. Solar panels just need to be a bit more advanced and they'll be in the same boat. Sorry Xet, I don't want to live next to a farm of reactors one day.

There is no such thing as "human error" in a nuclear power plant. It is not possible for something to go wrong unless, again, you deliberately override safety systems. I also can't seem to find anywhere records of the Catawba Nuclear Plant being shut down. Either you're lying or you're confusing it with another one. At last comment, there will never be a "farm of reactors".

[Rob Oplawar]

Nuclear power "draws from the environment itself", it's where they get the fissionable materials. Nothing goes wrong in a nuclear reactor unless you want to be like the Chernobyl people and turn all the safety systems off and do a fun little experiment. Have you even seen what the recent ones are capable of? And how safe they are? Sounds like your making accusations you can't back up. I doubt you also know how much steam is locked up under the earth, and how long we can use it for.



There is no such thing as "human error" in a nuclear power plant. It is not possible for something to go wrong unless, again, you deliberately override safety systems. I also can't seem to find anywhere records of the Catawba Nuclear Plant being shut down. Either you're lying or you're confusing it with another one. At last comment, there will never be a "farm of reactors".

As somebody who has actually payed the slightest amount of attention to, well, anything, I have to say I literally laughed out loud at "It is not possible for something to go wrong." If you truly believe that, then you, sir, are a moron.

[Xetsuei]

Read about nuclear power plant safety systems. You have to seriously fuck up hard for anything to go wrong.

[mech]

Like accidentally a whole helicopter.

[Bodzilla]

Nuclear power "draws from the environment itself", it's where they get the fissionable materials. Nothing goes wrong in a nuclear reactor unless you want to be like the Chernobyl people and turn all the safety systems off and do a fun little experiment. Have you even seen what the recent ones are capable of? And how safe they are? Sounds like your making accusations you can't back up. I doubt you also know how much steam is locked up under the earth, and how long we can use it for.

just stop right there.

you think geothermal means we harvest steam out of the planet?
you need to go look at some Doco's buddy.

[Xetsuei]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power#Geothermal_technologies

Even though it's not the only type, it's one of them.

[Bodzilla]

your not harvest steam xet.

yoru harvesting heat and using steam as the medium.

[Xetsuei]

Source?


Dry steam plants, which directly use geothermal steam to turn turbines

[n00b1n8R]

:gonk:

[Bodzilla]

you still dont get it do you.

you think we tap underground pockets of steam?
fucking el oh el.

[Xetsuei]

Think? Read the wikipedia article, or any other article on geothermal.

[TeeKup]

http://homeimprovement.resourcesforattorneys.com/images/geothermal_heat_pumps.jpg

Water is circulated through the pipes, when it's heated its generated into steam which causes added pressure to ensure circulation, the energy and heat from this steam is transferred to the home. The cycle keeps going to provide the heat/energy to the home.

Most Geothermal Plants use the steam to run past turbines while most home systems only use it for heat exchange, should home geothermal plants become more advanced and cheaper many homes can use the steam turbine concept under their very houses.

I honestly have no clue how you got the idea we "harvested" steam from the earth Xet, either you're extremely thick or you can't read, I'm hoping its the latter.

[Bodzilla]

this has gone beyond a joke.

my god xet.

[Xetsuei]

:fail:

I'm done. You guys are absolutely amazing, you can't see what's right in front of you

[Bodzilla]

Rofl.

http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-irony.gif

[StankBacon]

lol..

[Rob Oplawar]

I hate to say it, but I actually know what Xet's on about- he's technically right and you're wrong. There is a form of geothermal energy where steam formed from the heating of natural groundwater is used for energy. It's the same steam that makes Yellowstone so entertaining. But it's pretty obtuse to talk about geothermal as if that were the only method or even a common method. It's not very feasible. At all.

E: also, yes, there are safety measures in place, but it's just common knowledge that you never, ever, ever say that it's impossible for something to go wrong. Something always goes wrong. There is always possibility for disaster.

[Bodzilla]

Murphy was an optimist.

[Rob Oplawar]

Murphy was a realist.
ftfy :cop:

[CN3089]

As somebody who has actually payed the slightest amount of attention to, well, anything, I have to say I literally laughed out loud at "It is not possible for something to go wrong." If you truly believe that, then you, sir, are a moron.
With a negative void coefficient it's pretty much true bro

[StankBacon]

the most efficient for of energy we have is nuclear, and ill stand by that until the end. (even if nukes end us)

[n00b1n8R]

You mean until somebody makes something better, right? :raise:

[CN3089]

You mean until somebody makes something better, right? :raise:

There's only so many ways of generating electricity and the only one that has an outside shot at beating nuclear is solar (which technically is indirect nuclear fusion http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-science.gif) soooo http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-smugdog.gif



also i'm pretty relieved xetsuei went back to being horribly wrong

[n00b1n8R]

I was under the impression he was talking about the existing nuclear power (fission) and not including fusion in his meaning.

[Mass]

Too bad we don't have any technicians that can build solar/geothermal/nuclear/wind plants.

Education funding is what we should be talking about, not which we use, as if we'd only use one at a time anyway. You can talk all you want about which infrastructure is most efficient or feasible, but it matters naught unless you have people to build it within the next few decades. Technical schools that train electricians and such need government grants to teach the advanced skills necessary to build and maintain these things.

Nuclear may be a good transition solution because we can already construct and control nuclear plants, but only in the interim until we've prepared ourselves as a society through education and monetary distribution to make bigger changes in the way we live.

[Disaster]

You mean until somebody makes something better, right? :raise:
http://www.space.com/news/antimatter_fuel_0010111.html
:eng101:

[Xetsuei]

Before anyone comments on nuclear power more, read the damn article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power

[Warsaw]

In nuclear's defence, I will say that the US is not the role model for nuclear power because it wastes so much fuel. France is the most nuclear-dependent country, and as such have much more efficient reactors. I did say there is enough fissionable material to last about 130 years, if we use it once. If everyone does like France does, 95% can be recycled and used again, extending the longevity of the solution thusly.

Geothermal is great in areas where heat is close to the surface of the crust and therefore readily accessible, but for the rest of the locatios an alternative source will have to be used. I suspect nuclear will be avoided at every turn, which is fine as long as the community in the area is OK with large solar fields, wind farms, or dams. It just means more fuel for everyone else and a lower rate of waste output.

[nooBBooze]

Can I has tidal power plants?

[LinkandKvel]

Wow. Way to get waaaaay to serious over energy guys. We'll all be dead by then anyway.

[Rob Oplawar]

You know what? I came up with the idea for tidal power generators when I was in middle school, before I had ever heard any mention of it. True story! I have the sketches somewhere...

I also invented AJAX, trees in relational databases, genetic programming, evolution of engineering designs using supercomputers simulating mutation and natural selection, and Halo 3: ODST.

[TeeKup]

Can I has tidal power plants?

These are incredibly inefficient.

[Apoc4lypse]

You know what? I came up with the idea for tidal power generators when I was in middle school, before I had ever heard any mention of it. True story! I have the sketches somewhere...

I also invented AJAX, trees in relational databases, genetic programming, evolution of engineering designs using supercomputers simulating mutation and natural selection, and Halo 3: ODST.

lmao... u sound like u got the shit end of the stick, start patenting ur ideas dood lol.

They stole your odst idea lmao.

I had this idea for anti gravity, then I found out it was already patented which is funny because then I also found out that it would never work unless it broken newtons 2nd law... lmao.


But yea... geo-thermal energy would run out whenever the earth cooled down, and the more we tapped into geothermal energy the faster the earth would cool down because we would be speeding up the heat transfer xD then a few millenia from now wed be kicked our selves in the asses when the earth turned into a giant ice rock, except we'd think global warming was the problem, first the earth would get warm from our co2 emissions, then we'd slowly retreat into some sort of ice age, and yess I know most of my logic behind what I just said is very bad.

[=sw=warlord]

Nothing goes wrong in a nuclear reactor unless you want to be like the Chernobyl people and turn all the safety systems off and do a fun little experiment.
How the fuck did you come to the conclusion the engineers wanted the accident to happen?
Seriously if you knew anything about what happened you would know it was alot more serious than some nuclear materiels being screwed with.
read this: http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/battle_of_chernobyl/
"The nuclear power plant situated 20km from Chernobyl in northern Ukraine employed reactors of the type RBMK-1000, a graphite-moderated pressurised water reactor cooled with light water. Routine testing of the electrical network in reactor unit 4 started a tragic chain of events that caused the reactor to melt down and explode."
I've seen video clips and photos of the reactor not long after the explosion and the photos taken from the news helicopter had markins in the negatives there was so much radiation...
Technology may have advanced alot since the 80's but not that much to totaly rely on nuclear power.
I've seen what the side effects are when this kind of thing happens and this may sound extreme but i would preffer coal fired power stations to nuclear atleast then we can use carbon capture plants to trap carbon dioxide what would you do if another reactor blew? spray the planet in iodine?
watch the videos on this..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vMTdSAm1w

[Xetsuei]

I don't care if I get warned for this, you have got to be the single stupidest person in the fucking world. Keep reading my post over and over until you realize.

Oh, and this is a much better article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

Also, coal is one of the worst power solutions ever and should stop being used. Many, MANY things have to go wrong nowadays, and even at the time it happened, for something as catastrophic as the Chernobyl disaster to happen.

[Hunter]

WE ARE ALL DOOMED!!1!!

[CN3089]

How the fuck did you come to the conclusion the engineers wanted the accident to happen?
Seriously if you knew anything about what happened you would know it was alot more serious than some nuclear materiels being screwed with.
read this: http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/battle_of_chernobyl/
"The nuclear power plant situated 20km from Chernobyl in northern Ukraine employed reactors of the type RBMK-1000, a graphite-moderated pressurised water reactor cooled with light water. Routine testing of the electrical network in reactor unit 4 started a tragic chain of events that caused the reactor to melt down and explode."
I've seen video clips and photos of the reactor not long after the explosion and the photos taken from the news helicopter had markins in the negatives there was so much radiation...
Technology may have advanced alot since the 80's but not that much to totaly rely on nuclear power.
I've seen what the side effects are when this kind of thing happens and this may sound extreme but i would preffer coal fired power stations to nuclear atleast then we can use carbon capture plants to trap carbon dioxide what would you do if another reactor blew? spray the planet in iodine?
watch the videos on this..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vMTdSAm1w
look how dumb you are (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_coefficient)

tl;dr chernobyl's design was retarded, and the people who ran it were retarded

[=sw=warlord]

I don't care if I get warned for this, you have got to be the single stupidest person in the fucking world. Keep reading my post over and over until you realize.
Fine, go with nuclear power but don't complain when your children are born with missing limbs. To be quite honest i am not exactly "stupid" at all , just i dont have my head shoved so far up my arse that i need a industrial windscreen wiper to clear the shit from my eyes. You keep saying the people who ran it were retarded, they obviously were not to be running a fucking nuclear reactor which isnt exactly a walk in the park. Don't forget this was in 1986 not in fucking 2006 alot more research has been placed since then and as far as im aware, chernobyl was the single main reason all nuclear armed countries other than india started to disarm themselves. I've read the wikipedia article, as detailed as that is it dosnt go into the same detail that the series of videos i linked you to does.

[Xetsuei]

HAHAHAHAHA. You can't be serious.

:suicide:

From your post it's easy to tell you didn't read the article. Fuck, you barely know anything about it.

[=sw=warlord]

From your post it's easy to tell you didn't read the article. Fuck, you barely know anything about it.

I have read the article, just i havent read in as a means to stroke my own e-peen, i read it as factualy, how else can they extend safety features then test with live machinery? Yes there was a experiment yes it failed but if you haven't notice ukrane wasnt exactly a wealthy place to buy the proven and tested methods and so tried developing their own. Why not just drop this or are you intending to a superior troll and carry on?

[Rob Oplawar]

20 bucks says warlord disabled rep because he had too many red bars. :3

[=sw=warlord]

20 bucks says warlord disabled rep because he had too many red bars. :3
I'l have that 20 bucks then thanks, ive only got 1 red bar and that is from yonks ago.

[SnaFuBAR]

as far as im aware, chernobyl was the single main reason all nuclear armed countries other than india started to disarm themselves.
Wait...what??? What does a nuclear reactor catastrophic failure have to do with nuclear weaponry other than the base material??

also, 1 bar is too many :3 $20 to Rob.

[=sw=warlord]

Wait...what??? What does a nuclear reactor catastrophic failure have to do with nuclear weaponry other than the base material??

also, 1 bar is too many :3 $20 to Rob.
Watch the fucking videos i linked you lot to and maybe just maybe youl learn something.
The link again...
[/URL][URL="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vMTdSAm1w"]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vMTdSAm1w


(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vMTdSAm1w)
(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vMTdSAm1w)

[p0lar_bear]

Watch the fucking videos i linked you lot to and maybe just maybe youl learn something.
The link again...

I learned that I don't think you know what you're talking about in this thread. I don't think I know what anyone is talking about in here or what they're trying to prove. O_o

Video TL;DW: Reactor safety systems were taken offline in order to experiment with a new power management system. Shit goes boom, the locals tell the Kremlin nothing's wrong, and then Sweden tells the Kremlin that something nuclear fucked up. The Union scrambles to clean the shit up the best they can at the cost of many human lives and well-beings, but that cost was much less than if they had just let it go.

TL;DR: Chernobyl blew the fuck up because the operators shut off the safety systems.

[Xetsuei]

This is in the Wikipedia article somewhere, but the experiment had meant to go on during the day. There was something that kept that from happening, so the less experienced night team had to do the experiment.

[rossmum]

it has enough fissionable materials to last until the sun burns out hth
and guess who's sitting on massive amounts of uranium :cool:

[CN3089]

and guess who's sitting on massive amounts of uranium :cool:

Me. My town even has a uranium refinery in it http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-smugdog.gif

[rossmum]

Me. My town even has a uranium refinery in it http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-smugdog.gif
My mum spent some time at a uranium mine while she was a cartographer

also kiwis are retards and think nuclear-powered ships will kill them or something, lol