Pirate bay Trial tomorrow.

[=sw=warlord]

So i hear it is the pirate bay trial tomorrow in sweeden.
Apparently it has taken 2 years to find a case and the prosecuters have made 4,000 pages detailing every top torrent on the pirate bay servers (http://torrentfreak.com/police-closes-pirate-bay-investigation-071210/)
Discuss.
Click bold for link.

Update:
The pirate bay members have been found guilty (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090417/tuk-pirate-bay-four-guilty-on-copyright-6323e80.html)

[Disaster]

o_O I didn't know they were even being pursued

[Jean-Luc]

Police can keep busting their balls over piracy all they want, but it will never change. Files will be uploaded, users will download them, and there will NOT be an end to this.

What these cops/companies/developers should start realizing is the REASON for piracy. Yes, sometimes it's just for kicks, but a lot of the reason comes from being unable to afford the software. So when these companies go about saying "OH! We lost all this money from piracy!", what they aren't telling you is that the people who pirated couldn't afford it in the first place, or weren't intending to buy it.

Oh, and the RIAA needs to :gtfo:.

Feel free to bash me all you want guys :D

[Disaster]

^ Suprisingly its 100% true. Most pirates pirate the software they can't afford and never had intentions of buying in the first place.

[PlasbianX]

Police Closes Pirate Bay Investigation, Trial Awaits
Written by Ernesto on December 10, 2007
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[Jean-Luc]

That was the initial filing for the trial. It's been 2 years since then, and the trial is starting tomorrow.

[=sw=warlord]

.
http://trial.thepiratebay.org/
have a look for yourself.
Just google it i found like 5 sites refferencing this, i just chose a random one which stated about the 4k pages for this topic.

[flibitijibibo]

I save money and pay for a game when it deserves to be paid for. In some cases, I know it will be good and will thus buy it up front (Valve), but for most games, I have to give it a few hours to convince me that it's worth money. I've probably saved hundreds of dollars by not purchasing shitty games with this method (EA).

Companies (such as Valve) should have nothing to worry about if/when they have the trust and confidence of and from their audience, because even those who are poor as shit will contribute in order to get more good material from the developer.

[n00b1n8R]

Meh, never used PB.
Demonoid all the way :awesome:

[JunkfoodMan]

Meh, never used PB.
Demonoid all the way :awesome:

booya.

[Limited]

I just feel companies are going at it the wrong way.

If they were to use torrents on their side, they could slow down the amount of people illegally downloading.

Its been shown before that torrenting can be a viable resource for companies to sell items. If they were to harness this power, and say charge you 10% maybe 20% less for buying it by torrents, then I feel people would be more incline to purchase it. The company could save money by not needing as many mirrors, maybe just one or two for the actual torrent download.

I dont torrent stuff, not saying I dont obtain things, I rarely do (part from maybe tv shows, they need to quit allowing just certain countries to use their online player services, its not like their losing money because any one in the country can watch it for free, why not international :()

[KiDD]

If they are found guilty they are absolutely done, right? (I don't just mean the site but going to jail too)

[Phopojijo]

I believe they'd just have a 6-figure fine.

Also they have evidence of cyber-terrorist attacks against Pirate's Bay infrastructure from the RIAA/MPAA, etc.

[n00b1n8R]

Depends how guilty they are.

If they loose, it could be anything from taking down the site to prison;.

[Sel]

Probably won't go anywhere, like all the other PB trials.

[Heathen]

PB is the shit..

My site and it is trustworthy.

How can they be convicted?

Swedens laws are different...

[Huero]

PB is the shit..

My site and it is trustworthy.

How can they be convicted?

Swedens laws are different...

one of my friends got a virus from it that murdered his computer IN COLD BLOOD MAN
cold blood
serious shit

but maybe that one just slipped through the cracks idk

[Heathen]

one of my friends got a virus from it that murdered his computer IN COLD BLOOD MAN
cold blood
serious shit

but maybe that one just slipped through the cracks idk
Its his own fault.

Who downloads a torrent without reading the comments first?

[Mr Buckshot]

Finally, stupid pirates...if you can't afford the software, then you don't have it, simple as that. If you can afford the computer (especially a gaming capable one) and the Internet connection, then you can surely afford to scrimp and save $50 for a new game or $20 for an older game right? Yeah sure you may not be able to grab the game the instant it releases but no harm in waiting right?

For instance I myself am not allowed to just go out and buy game accessories and software any time I like, no I must wait for birthdays, school holidays, etc, and if I get bad grades I can't even get games during those times. I only bought Call of Duty 4 almost an entire year after it released, rather than be an asshole and torrent it the day it comes out just because I can't buy it then.

Well torrenting games is legal if you own the real thing in some way. E.g. I torrented csv1.5 to go on my flash drive, but I already own csv1.6 so I have paid for something, I am just copying it for convenience (to use on school PCs too). Or maybe I just lost the CD/broke it, as was the case with Splinter Cell Chaos Theory - so I torrented the game but at least I'd paid for the real thing, I just accidentally got the disc scratched. Also on my old windows XP laptop (not the one I use now) it couldn't read my H2V disc, so I had to torrent H2V to get it working there but I still paid for it.

Hope the pirate bay guys all get big fines.

[Heathen]

Finally, stupid pirates...if you can't afford the software, then you don't have it, simple as that. If you can afford the computer (especially a gaming capable one) and the Internet connection, then you can surely afford to scrimp and save $50 for a new game or $20 for an older game right? Yeah sure you may not be able to grab the game the instant it releases but no harm in waiting right?

For instance I myself am not allowed to just go out and buy game accessories and software any time I like, no I must wait for birthdays, school holidays, etc, and if I get bad grades I can't even get games during those times. I only bought Call of Duty 4 almost an entire year after it released, rather than be an asshole and torrent it the day it comes out just because I can't buy it then.

Well torrenting games is legal if you own the real thing in some way. E.g. I torrented csv1.5 to go on my flash drive, but I already own csv1.6 so I have paid for something, I am just copying it for convenience (to use on school PCs too). Or maybe I just lost the CD/broke it, as was the case with Splinter Cell Chaos Theory - so I torrented the game but at least I'd paid for the real thing, I just accidentally got the disc scratched. Also on my old windows XP laptop (not the one I use now) it couldn't read my H2V disc, so I had to torrent H2V to get it working there but I still paid for it.

Hope the pirate bay guys all get big fines.


Too bad they wont.

L2swedenlaw.

[n00b1n8R]

The thing with piracy is that the vast majority wouldn't pay for what they're downloading, even if there was no other way to get it.

Piracy's effects on profit is negligible at best, it's just the publishers getting their pantys in a twist.

PS: games cost ~$100 here for new releases and generally no less than $40 (and that's if they're >5 years old). I have never downloaded a pirate game, but I can understand why many would.

[Jean-Luc]

Finally, stupid pirates...if you can't afford the software, then you don't have it, simple as that. If you can afford the computer (especially a gaming capable one) and the Internet connection, then you can surely afford to scrimp and save $50 for a new game or $20 for an older game right?

1) They don't upload the torrents, thereby the uploaded files that violate copyright are not their property.
2) Bad assumption that because you can afford a computer, that you can afford a $4000 program such as 3d Studio Max, along with another $300 for Photoshop and whatnot.

Well torrenting games is legal if you own the real thing in some way.

I don't believe this is correct. I'm fairly certain that you cannot download files from a game unless authorized by the developer.

Hope the pirate bay guys all get big fines.

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[Atty]

I should sue Pirate bay too, if it weren't for them my Macbook Pro's hard drive wouldn't be filled.

[Mr Buckshot]

Also, I observed that a more tacit solution to game piracy is to release the game on consoles, then wait out a bit before giving the PC version. Console games are pirated a lot less than PC games for obvious reasons.

Yeah I know, the PB guys will probably get away to abet more piracy things. They give torrents a bad name. Piracy laws are far more relaxed outside of the U.S./Canada.

[Jean-Luc]

Also, I observed that a more tacit solution to game piracy is to release the game on consoles, then wait out a bit before giving the PC version. Console games are pirated a lot less than PC games for obvious reasons.
While true, it would completely destroy the PC gaming crowd, and cause a huge uproar, a la what Epic Games and Crytek are doing.

It also wouldn't be fair to release games months or even years earlier on a machine that can run $300-400, when people put tons of money into their PC's.

[Mr Buckshot]

Also, I'm aware that if you can spend $1000 on a PC, it doesn't mean you can afford Maya or anything. But if you're in a position where you actually need to pirate the software, chances are you don't really need it. If you actually have a job that requires such software, it'll be provided on your work computer.

The PB owners may not be UPLOADING the pirated software, but they freely allow their site to be used for that. Just for that, they deserve some charges pressed against them. It's like a government that refuses to respond to crime issues in the country it controls.

[Phopojijo]

Also, I observed that a more tacit solution to game piracy is to release the game on consoles, then wait out a bit before giving the PC version. Console games are pirated a lot less than PC games for obvious reasons.Uh... that's because the typical console user doesn't physically understand how to pirate a videogame... not that it's any easier. Heck, PS2s don't even require modchips anymore... just a software patch.

The alternative solution would be to simply increase market penetration of high performance parts on the PC and eliminate the console market entirely. Most people have PCs... and most of the ones sold today are just 150$ away from being a high-end videogaming machine.

Also game sales would increase because people wouldn't be spending an extra 10$/game + 50$/year unnecessarily.

And before you think that's negligible -- I'm a PC gamer and I spent nearly 500$ in Xbox license fees and Xbox Live since I got my XBox 4 years ago. (That excludes what I paid on the console, and the accessories).

That's a new high-end videocard every 2 years.

It's easy peezy folks. You can plug a PC into an HDTV and plug 4 gamepads into the PC. It's trivial stuff... you just need market demand.

[ExAm]

Depends how guilty they are.

If they loose, it could be anything from taking down the site to prison;.
The opposite of win is lose, not loose. Loose is the opposite of tight. Make a note of that :eng101:

Anti-warning on-topicness:
War against piracy is a losing battle, and will never be stopped yadda yadda yadda.

[Limited]

Uh yea, its illegal to host links to things that contain illegal content.

Also buckshot you are breaking the law, even though your not doing it maliciously, its still against the law.

[SnaFuBAR]

I actually use tpb to download installers for programs I own, since my netbook has no optical drive.

[Mr Buckshot]

I actually use tpb to download installers for programs I own, since my netbook has no optical drive.

I think you can share CD drives over a LAN...anyways my LG P300 came with an external USB dvd drive. At least you, like me, are merely torrenting what you already own. i.e. one of my Chaos Theory discs got a scratch on it, I already paid $30 for the game, so I just torrented the installer.

There's also another issue that hasn't been brought up here - MOVIE piracy. That's also another TPB problem. I don't think anyone here is too poor to afford $2 to rent a DVD...Torrenting of ripped movies from DVDs is rampant. Once again it probably doesn't affect profits much, but it's an insult to the people who poured effort and $$$ to provide the entertainment we take for granted.

Like I said, just because the owners of TPB didn't necessarily upload the pirated shit doesn't mean they shouldn't take responsibility. Let's say you own a big house. If you knowingly let it be used as a crackhouse, you're aiding crime, even if you're not participating in the crime. If it was a case of let's say you went on vacation, the house was used like that w/o your knowledge, then yes you're innocent but otherwise no.

[p0lar_bear]

Uh yea, its illegal to host links to things that contain illegal content.

Your average torrents contain no illegal content, hth.

Unless, of course, someone puts a death threat or someone's personal info into the comment section.

Also, I think Google should be sued for hosting links to illegal content when I type "warez" into the search bar!

[Mr Buckshot]

Yeah but the google part is unavoidable, it's all automated after all. After all you can google for viruses and spyware too. I think the entertainment industry has the right to sue a torrent site for knowingly providing a pirated copyrighted movie or game.

[n00b1n8R]

Yeah but the Pirate Bay part is unavoidable, it's all automated after all. After all you can use TPB to find legal music/programs too. I think the entertainment industry has no right to sue a torrent site for providing details on torrents containing illegal files since they cannot reasonably check through all uploaded files for legality.

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[SnaFuBAR]

I think you can share CD drives over a LAN...anyways my LG P300 came with an external USB dvd drive. At least you, like me, are merely torrenting what you already own. i.e. one of my Chaos Theory discs got a scratch on it, I already paid $30 for the game, so I just torrented the installer.

Except my LAN fukin' hates me.

[nooBBooze]

What these cops/companies/developers should start realizing is the REASON for piracy. Yes, sometimes it's just for kicks, but a lot of the reason comes from being unable to afford the software. So when these companies go about saying "OH! We lost all this money from piracy!", what they aren't telling you is that the people who pirated couldn't afford it in the first place, or weren't intending to buy it.
Another reason people prefer pirating over conventional buying could be the fact that rare works of art, be it moving pictures or audio, are hard to come by in traditional stores. Some movies are even exclusively published in the countries they were produced.
For example, if it weren't for the internet I some people would have never come across such indie jewels like "The Man From Earth" or "Postal".

[ExAm]

...Or Turkish Star Wars
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[Limited]

Yeah but the Pirate Bay part is unavoidable, it's all automated after all. After all you can use TPB to find legal music/programs too. I think the entertainment industry has no right to sue a torrent site for providing details on torrents containing illegal files since they cannot reasonably check through all uploaded files for legality.

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Have you not heard about them sniffing up on the torrent traffic? Checking to see how popular the illegal files are?

They arent fools, they are going to go into court with a TON of evidence, as stated before, 4,000 pages worth to be exact.

Yes there are legal torrents, but we all know the majority is illegal.

Say it was real life, and you knew a place people could get illegal tickets for a gig. If you told some people the place to get it, you'd be classed as an accessory.

[=sw=warlord]

Yeah but the google part is unavoidable, it's all automated after all. After all you can google for viruses and spyware too. I think the entertainment industry has the right to sue a torrent site for knowingly providing a pirated copyrighted movie or game.
Fuck off and learn how torrents work. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.torrent)
Last i remember the files which the torrent ultilities download are hosted on USER computers not the torrent tracker servers.
According to several articles that i've read on this the groups prosecuting TPB only had one case, and that was a faulty download counter which suprise suprise has been fixed.
They spent 2 years looking up on a case to file against them and it ended up on a single error in coding which has been fixed and upgraded.
If you want to sue someone sue the users who put the torrents up not the pirate bay administrators.

[Mr Buckshot]

The trouble is, a lot of the actual uploaders come from parts of the world where laws against copyright infringement are virtually non-existent, so you have no jurisdiction.

And they call themselves "the pirate bay" for a reason...Plus it is bloody easy to find out which files are pirated files, because the real titles all show up. It should be TPB's responsibility to cut off those links whenever possible. Now if all the pirated files are disguised, let's say someone uploads Left 4 Dead but names the torrent to "My birthday video," then TPB should not be at fault here. But the pirated files are never disguised.



There are two major differences between BitTorrent and many other peer-to-peer file-trading systems, which advocates suggest make it less useful to those sharing copyrighted material without authorization. First, BitTorrent itself does not offer a search facility to find files by name. A user must find the initial torrent file by other means, such as a web search. Second, BitTorrent makes no attempt to conceal the host ultimately responsible for facilitating the sharing: a person who wishes to make a file available must run a tracker on a specific host or hosts and distribute the tracker address(es) in the .torrent file. Because it is possible to operate a tracker on a server that is located in a jurisdiction where the copyright holder cannot take legal action, the protocol does offer some vulnerability that other protocols lack. It is far easier to request that the server's ISP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_service_provider) shut down the site than it is to find and identify every user sharing a file on a peer-to-peer network. However, with the use of a distributed hash table (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table) (DHT), trackers are no longer required, though often used for client software that does not support DHT to connect to the stream.


Interesting...but somehow someone's going to work their way around that.

Btw I'm wondering why the heck people are still pirating camera-ripped movies from theaters on torrents...wouldn't watch one if you gave it to me for free (awful quality).

and unlike Bittorrent, Google can blacklist sites too.

[p0lar_bear]

Another reason people prefer pirating over conventional buying could be the fact that rare works of art, be it moving pictures or audio, are hard to come by in traditional stores. Some movies are even exclusively published in the countries they were produced.
For example, if it weren't for the internet I some people would have never come across such indie jewels like "The Man From Earth" or "Postal".

This.

I will gladly buy new media for both the sake of having it and to support the company who made it. But, what about when it falls out of date? What does one do when stores will stop selling them? What if the physical item becomes a collector's thing, and the "only way" to get it is to pay a couple Ks to some collector, even though your interests are soley in watching/playing it, and not in the value of the physical item?

[RobertGraham]

Even if ThePirateBay gets busted, there is no official way to stop pirating. How do you think many users upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?

[Mr Buckshot]

This.

I will gladly buy new media for both the sake of having it and to support the company who made it. But, what about when it falls out of date? What does one do when stores will stop selling them? What if the physical item becomes a collector's thing, and the "only way" to get it is to pay a couple Ks to some collector, even though your interests are soley in watching/playing it, and not in the value of the physical item?

I support that too for emulator roms for say SNES, but only because the stuff is out of production and the companies are no longer expecting any more profits from the sale of those cartridges. Yes it is still copyrighted but the creators are not producing it any more. I haven't seen anyone pick a fight with those N64/SNES rom sites yet...because the industry no longer cares about those roms. In a few years, we're going to see Xbox 1 and PS2 emulators with full games hosted on such rom sites, and no one will care by then. But if we have PS2 emulators right now with PS2 roms, people will get pissed because the PS2 and its games are still on shelves.


Even if ThePirateBay gets busted, there is no official way to stop pirating. How do you think many users upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?

True we can't stop it but we gotta keep fighting it, unless you're EA and you do dumb shit with the software to piss off people. Yeah I personally know some people running cracked copies of Windows on their PCs. But I mean you can't stamp out crime for good, does that mean you should stop hiring police?

[Jean-Luc]

Also, I'm aware that if you can spend $1000 on a PC, it doesn't mean you can afford Maya or anything. But if you're in a position where you actually need to pirate the software, chances are you don't really need it. If you actually have a job that requires such software, it'll be provided on your work computer.

I disagree with this one. What if you're a student who wishes to use the program outside of school? I'm aware they have student discounts, but when it comes down to it, most students are using their money to just keep going from day to day life. I'll bet you anything that there are many users of 3dsmax and Photoshop here have cracked copies, but would buy them in a heartbeat if they had the cash.

True we can't stop it but we gotta keep fighting it, unless you're EA and you do dumb shit with the software to piss off people. Yeah I personally know some people running cracked copies of Windows on their PCs. But I mean you can't stamp out crime for good, does that mean you should stop hiring police?

In an ideal world, we wouldn't have piracy, and everyone could afford what they wanted. That's not how it works unfortunately, and attacking pirates will not get anyone anywhere. All it does is piss people off, and potentially encourage MORE piracy, such as what you said about EA.


tl:dr I don't particularly care for piracy, but I understand it.

[Heathen]

The trouble is, a lot of the actual uploaders come from parts of the world where laws against copyright infringement are virtually non-existent, so you have no jurisdiction.

And they call themselves "the pirate bay" for a reason...Plus it is bloody easy to find out which files are pirated files, because the real titles all show up. It should be TPB's responsibility to cut off those links whenever possible. Now if all the pirated files are disguised, let's say someone uploads Left 4 Dead but names the torrent to "My birthday video," then TPB should not be at fault here. But the pirated files are never disguised.



Interesting...but somehow someone's going to work their way around that.

Btw I'm wondering why the heck people are still pirating camera-ripped movies from theaters on torrents...wouldn't watch one if you gave it to me for free (awful quality).

and unlike Bittorrent, Google can blacklist sites too.


Thats just it though, its not their problem. For them its not illegal so they dont care.

[=sw=warlord]

tl:dr I don't particularly care for piracy, but I understand it.
I agree, if i had the money i would buy 3DS max in a heartbeat but for now im stuck with going through the various demos then once in a while reformat then carry on from the start again.
I saw 3DS max 8 on Amazon while back i think it was £50 or something like but as of yet i've not found a job that dosnt involve working as a slave in a fish gutting factory.

[Gamerkd16]

I find some of these legal complaints against them pretty entertaining:

http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php


As you may or may not be aware, Sweden is not a state in the United States
of America. Sweden is a country in northern Europe.
Unless you figured it out by now, US law does not apply here.
For your information, no Swedish law is being violated.

Please be assured that any further contact with us, regardless of medium,
will result in
a) a suit being filed for harassment
b) a formal complaint lodged with the bar of your legal counsel, for
sending frivolous legal threats.

It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ....... morons, and
that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.

Please also note that your e-mail and letter will be published in full on
http://www.thepiratebay.org (http://www.thepiratebay.org/).

Go fuck yourself.

Polite as usual,
anakata


haha

[RobertGraham]

I find some of these legal complaints against them pretty entertaining:

http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php



haha
That made me LOL, but it is true. US Laws do not apply out of the country of the US. Unless the territory is owned and operated by the United States

[Gamerkd16]

That made me LOL, but it is true. US Laws do not apply out of the country of the US. Unless the territory is owned and operated by the United States
Something else I read a while ago. The transcript of the interrogations they were "put through".

http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-interrogations-080207/


T: That he is wrong. That if we are guilty, then Google is guilty too.
I: You mean you can compare Google to The Pirate Bay?
T: Almost.
I: What the difference between them?
T: Well… One difference is that you can upload torrents on The Pirate Bay, but it’s really the same thing because if you have a site with copyrighted material, you can add the link to be indexed on Google. It’s the same level as both sites are handling user-generated material. We don’t have any views on what the content is, we just provide a search engine.

[Heathen]

I find some of these legal complaints against them pretty entertaining:

http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php



haha
Read them all.

Hence why I am slightly amused at the thought of a court case.

[Sel]

Love their legal section heh

[n00b1n8R]

I haven't seen anyone pick a fight with those N64/SNES rom sites yet...because the industry no longer cares about those roms.
lol?

Nintendo sends small doses of "stop it or :cop:" all the time when it comes to snes roms (especially their own). More so recently due to them republishing some of them with the Wii.

[Heathen]

Lol, indeed they do crack down on rom sites.

They have taken a LARGE step on roms.

[Pooky]

Lol, indeed they do crack down on rom sites.

They have taken a LARGE step on roms.

Yeah, they crack down on the good sites while leaving the malware infested bungholes to do as they please ._.

[ExAm]

Yeah, they crack down on the good sites while leaving the malware infested bungholes to do as they please ._.
Firefox 3 :eng101:

[Pooky]

Firefox 3 :eng101:
I'd never actually go to those sites under any browser, which is why it's annoying. Besides, I've since discovered the magic of BitTorrent.

This post made from Firefox 3.

[sdavis117]

I believe awhile ago that PirateBay tried to buy their own Country. Is that true? I know that if they did, they must have failed, but did they actually try in the first place?

Edit: You have to love Wikipedia. I searched and they once tried to buy the Micro-Nation of Sealand, but Sealand did not want to be sold to Pirate Bay.

[Disaster]

If Sealand had a bay, it would literally be Pirate Bay. :haw:

[=sw=warlord]

i know this is a bump.
But i heard the trial this week has been...rather interesting.
Anyone been keeping track?

[Sel]

Pirate bay trial turns into a circus (http://www.pcworld.com/article/159881/pirate_bay_trial_turns_into_a_circus.html)

Sorry about your trial.

[RobertGraham]

i know this is a bump.
But i heard the trial this week has been...rather interesting.
Anyone been keeping track?
Nope, and they will be "Not Guilty" because US Copyright laws do not apply in other countries. So, I dont care. :3

[=sw=warlord]

Nope, and they will be "Not Guilty" because US Copyright laws do not apply in other countries. So, I dont care. :3If their found guilty, it will bring a rise of new laws all other the place because of corporate pressure, if their not found guilty it may pave the way for more lenient guidelines.
so im interested.

[Bodzilla]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/2668206354_fd8ee8e4b8.jpg?v=0
FUCKING LOL

[Huero]

their bus is fucking amazing

[.Wolf™]

Amazing:)This has become swedens longest trial ever:P

[Dwood]

Too bad the servers for TPB are down or something...

[ThePlague]

Too bad the servers for TPB are down or something...
Not for me.

[.Wolf™]

Too bad the servers for TPB are down or something...
E:Nvm they have updated on their blog that says the website is down.

[Needles]

I hope nothing happens to them. That is where I tested out Assassin's creed and Dead Space. It's a good site for games with no replay value.

[Jean-Luc]

I hope nothing happens to them. That is where I tested out Assassin's creed and Dead Space. It's a good site for games with no replay value.

1) Dead Space is awesome
2) I guess we're throwing the "don't discuss piracy" forum rule out the door at this point? :haw:

[RobertGraham]

It depends on what you use it for though. Some people host legit things on there [I would hope so]

[Heathen]

I am glad they are making a mockery of this ridiculous trial.

A waste of time.

And lol at the bus.

[p0lar_bear]

1) Dead Space is awesome
2) I guess we're throwing the "don't discuss piracy" forum rule out the door at this point? :haw:

This thread was the only exception I made to the "No Piracy" rule, since this whole thing is a big media debacle.

Discussion is allowed, but no links.

[Dwood]

TPB seems to be back up now.

[.Wolf™]

It depends on what you use it for though. Some people host legit things on there [I would hope so]
Yes there is..I bet you can find halo maps in there if you watch carefully.

[sdavis117]

I use TPB to download mods, maps, trailers, and demos all the time. They are fast, and, if you read the comments first before you download, safe.

[sevlag]

damn P bay goin on trail.

there are UPS and DOWNS to pirating...let's take a look at them children
*puts on favortie "teaching" hat*

Pros:

~A user gets something they want WITHOUT having to waste money to buy it

~You get something without being imbarassed (ex. GGW)

~able to obtain hard to find audio, videos (couldn't find anyone selling boondocks season 1:/)

Cons:

~Companies lose anywhere from $1-1mil due to pirated items

~Tax payers have to waste money on frivolous cases that may just be turned down

~in the end no one really wins, that shiny Gmod version1337 that you got as a stand alone program doesn't support online only LAN. that music CD? tracks 3 and 7 are corrupted because the uploader wanted to trick you into thinking it was virus riddeleed


there are the pros and cons kiddies *takes off hat and bows* for other lessons please purchase my OTHER 343 informational videos or just pirate them all for free :P

[RobertGraham]

~able to obtain hard to find audio, videos (couldn't find anyone selling boondocks season 1:/)
Its called "AdultSwim.com"

[DaneO'Roo]

PC Piracy is a term pursued by Ubisoft and EA after no one bought their shitty PC sequels, then every cunt and his dog jumped on the term because they're PC ports/games were complete and total jack shit.

Look how many people pay and buy games through steam.

Gears of War 2 was for a week the most torrented game on the internet, and that's a console game.

The only reason a majority of console gamers don't steal is becasue they simply can't and don't have the means to.


Just the other day, I was a good samaritan and bought retail Saints Row 2 PC, because I really liked the first one and I heard this one was really great fun. I bought the game, even being a pirate, and having access to the internet. I bought the game without prior knowledge. I bought it soley based on the fact that it was "amazingly fun on 360".

The game has terrible load cache issues, you can't use the mouse in the menu, you have to use ctrl and shift to shuffle through the pages and the game seems to barely use the graphics card at all and heavily relies on the processor. My graphics cards temperature barely quivers from the desktop compared ot ingame. It is possibly one of the worst ports I've seen. However, it is incredibly fun and with a little work could be a gem. But that's the point, I allready gave them my 80 dollars. They don't care.

Piracy is also a crock of shit in the fact that the hardware vendors are often joint producers with large companies, and the average PC gamer apparently spends about 500 - 600 US dollars a year on upgrading their PC's and shelling out cash to said vendors (nvidia, intel, asus, creative etc)

Most console gamers buy the console one year, a couple games a year and that's it.


PC gamers are being skapegoated out of their money, because they rely on our patriotism to the PC platform to keep spending money on upgrades and spending money on shitty ports, and selling the REAL game on a console with mass media hype.

They win and win. Piracy only hurts the small developing companies, or the newly formed ones.

Fact is though, if you make a quality product, people will buy it. This is why I bought Unreal Tournament 3 and Left 4 Dead retail 100 bucks each and have felt totally happy about it.

[Dwood]

I would buy Vent Pro but I think it's ridiculous to pay to use a VoIP chat system for more than 8 people.

I bought SoaSE which has zero DRM on the other hand because I like their ways. :P

[RobertGraham]

I would buy Vent Pro but I think it's ridiculous to pay to use a VoIP chat system for more than 8 people.

I bought SoaSE which has zero DRM on the other hand because I like their ways. :PTeamspeak ftw

[ExAm]

teamspeak is good for more people, but ventrilo has excellent sound quality.

[StankBacon]

they are both the same is you set the codecs up right.

[Bodzilla]

:wisdom:

i bought the Orangebox, ut3, the ID-superpack, L4D, halo, bioshock and just this last weekened bought Starcraft battlechest, even though i already had a working copy on my computer.

quality.

[Heathen]

I have pirated many things for testing purposes including Portal to try it out since I didnt have a 360 at the time, H2V because I wanted to see how it ran on my machine, which turns out to be "like shit" and numerous programs. I do use it illegally but at my own risk and I know this. If I get caught its my own fault and not the sight owners.

I did the crime, not them.

[TVTyrant]

I've bought every single game on my PC. What gets me are the other things, like music, movies, books, and programs that do not have to cost $30-$3000 a piece.

[RobertGraham]

I have pirated many things for testing purposes including Portal to try it out since I didnt have a 360 at the time, H2V because I wanted to see how it ran on my machine, which turns out to be "like shit" and numerous programs. I do use it illegally but at my own risk and I know this. If I get caught its my own fault and not the sight owners.

I did the crime, not them.ooo, im telling on you

*cough* 3ds max *cough*

[Sel]

Who besides geo has a legitimate 3ds max copy lol.

[p0lar_bear]

Snaf.

Probably ross.

:smug:

[RobertGraham]

Who want's a legit copy? It costs so damn much.

[p0lar_bear]

Snaf.

Probably ross.

:smug:

[sdavis117]

I usually find that pirated applications are too buggy to use, and the fact that pirated versions usually can't receive updates helps very little.

I usually just use open source alternative programs. Free, legal, and supported. And usually the people who make it care more about the end user then making a quick buck, so they are usually better apps.

[ExAm]

I usually find that pirated applications are too buggy to use, and the fact that pirated versions usually can't receive updates helps very little.


In my opinion, anything that says "pirated applications are too buggy to use, so don't pirate shit" is like something that claims "Pot can totally kill you, so don't do it". It's just a meaningless scare tactic with little to no truth value.

[sdavis117]

Well I'm just saying from personal experience, very few apps have actually worked, and usually those were is another language.

I am just saying that I find Open Source apps much better then pirated apps.

[RobertGraham]

If you know what your downloading, then you can pretty much get anything and update it perfectly. You also might have to tweak it just a little.

[Donut]

i totally agree with the above statements about piracy for things that cannot be found on the mainstream market. i missed the super Nintendo generation by like 2 years. iv recently started playing roms of old snes games. so far i have played super mario world, yoshi's island, final fantasy 4 - 6, secret of mana, and i used a torrent to find the English translation hack for secret of mana 2. so sue me. where the hell can you find stuff like this today?

oh, and it wouldn't hurt to mention that some guy is selling the English translated secret of mana 2, which he somehow put on an old snes cartrage, on ebay and nobody is doing anything about it

fake e: and who can argue with the zelda OOT debuggers rom? editing level geometry, changing enemy encounters, and changing room sequences? hell yes. brb im going to go fight an arwing

[RobertGraham]

I think they are only cracking down the on the old roms because of "IT WAS OUR FIRST, SO DON'T GIVE IT OUT TO PEOPLE FOR FREE, BUT WE DONT SELL IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT GOES INTO OUR VAULT THAT WERE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH :lol:"

Basically, its all about "the credit". The fame, is about all that counts with companies like that. But thats just my opinion

[TVTyrant]

My PC won't connect to the Pirate Bay :(

YOU BLEW IT UP!!!!!!!!! YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!

[Heathen]

In my opinion, anything that says "pirated applications are too buggy to use, so don't pirate shit" is like something that claims "Pot can totally kill you, so don't do it". It's just a meaningless scare tactic with little to no truth value.

If you know what your downloading, then you can pretty much get anything and update it perfectly. You also might have to tweak it just a little.
This, if you know your ass from your elbow as far as torrenting and pirating goes, you know what to look for.

[ExAm]

My PC won't connect to the Pirate Bay :(

YOU BLEW IT UP!!!!!!!!! YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!
They're being DDOS'd

[legionaire45]

I doubt that TPB is going to get in any trouble. What they are doing is perfectly legal under Swedish law, no matter what any money grubbing copyright nazi says.

http://xs137.xs.to/xs137/09101/stp80027247.jpg
Funny, I managed to buy a $650 program when I was 13 or so years old.
By working my ass off for months.
And because I was smart I managed to get a copy of Max 9 for free.

I don't understand why people pirate programs like 3DS when there are tons of free and open source alternatives out there...

[Donut]

I think they are only cracking down the on the old roms because of "IT WAS OUR FIRST, SO DON'T GIVE IT OUT TO PEOPLE FOR FREE, BUT WE DONT SELL IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT GOES INTO OUR VAULT THAT WERE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH :lol:"

Basically, its all about "the credit". The fame, is about all that counts with companies like that. But thats just my opinion
unfortunately, those are the games i like to play lol

[Con]

I don't understand why people pirate programs like 3DS when there are tons of free and open source alternatives out there...
Here's some reasons:


Let's face it, most modding requires 3DS Max for making models.
Gmax just doesn't cut it sometimes.
There's a whole world of tutorials out there for 3DS Max, and I doubt the same can be said for any free/open source alternatives. This just makes Max easier to learn and pick up.
Free alternatives are typically not as feature-packed as Max is. Why use them when you could have everything that Max has?
Plugins galore with Max...
It's better to learn Max if you're going into that field than to learn something else. It's practically an industry standard. Students can't always afford to buy Max.

[itszutak]

I think they are only cracking down the on the old roms because of "IT WAS OUR FIRST, SO DON'T GIVE IT OUT TO PEOPLE FOR FREE, BUT WE DONT SELL IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT GOES INTO OUR VAULT THAT WERE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH :lol:"

Basically, its all about "the credit". The fame, is about all that counts with companies like that. But thats just my opinion
err, wrong.

They're cracking down on the roms now because they can still make money off of them. Look at Nintendo's Wii, for a start. They've got a special place in their marketplace devoted entirely to old games, and free roms cut into their profits.

[RobertGraham]

They're being DDOS'd
Now America is DDoSing TPB? Jesus christ...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hKfJbfbBxMU/RvDHPEGENYI/AAAAAAAAANk/3UYU3KgQ2o0/s400/ddos-2007-q1.jpg

[Sel]

That's not now, that's from march of 2 years ago :S

[StankBacon]

omg HOw caN you telkll???

[Sel]

omg HOw caN you telkll???

iM 1337 lEEt psYcHIc !!! :D :D :D :D :D :) :) :D :D :)

[RobertGraham]

Actually, I was showing the amount of DDoS attacks that have been targeted at Amerika, there are barely any in Canada, and some in Mexico..

[itszutak]

Actually, I was showing the amount of DDoS attacks that have been targeted at Amerika, there are barely any in Canada, and some in Mexico..
It's barely credible data if it's two years out of date.

[Sel]

Actually, I was showing the amount of DDoS attacks that have been targeted at Amerika, there are barely any in Canada, and some in Mexico..

But the chart shows most of the DDoS attacks coming from america going to europe and australia :S

[RobertGraham]

Thats how awesome we are :awesome:

[SnaFuBAR]

Now America is DDoSing TPB? Jesus christ...

2 year old chart here





Actually, I was showing the amount of DDoS attacks that have been targeted at Amerika, there are barely any in Canada, and some in Mexico..

How is anyone supposed to be able to deduce that your statement that the US is attacking TPB now from a 2 year old chart, and that you actually mean to show how many attacks have been targeted against the US?

I'm guessing you're just trying to say we don't get it instead of saying "my bad".

[RobertGraham]

My Bad

[Heathen]

Lol, you guys are harshing on his chart buzz.

[=sw=warlord]

Bump.
seems the pirate bay lost the trial.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090417/tuk-pirate-bay-four-guilty-on-copyright-6323e80.html