Quid Pro Quo

[paladin]

Web page (http://www.dawnunderheaven.net/)

New thread for the map. I have decided to put it into CE with the help of a friend. LOL

Anyways, Im not really gonna say much cause its in teh other thread. Really Ill just be updating it here.

UPDATES

CLICK HERE TO TEST 4.4 (http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/QPQ_Beta4.4.rar)

UPDATE 10/31
Spent the past 6 hours working on uvs and new textures/shaders:

Also, Futurama ftw

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9530/84869566.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2112/46421207.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3420/52327663.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4251/45563496.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5917/32522616.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5903/66982773.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5961/29341083.jpg

NEW BETA LINK 10/27



CLICK HERE TO TEST 4.4 (http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/QPQ_Beta4.4.rar)

Very similar to most recent pics. I add rain to see how it looks. I must have missed a portal so it rains on some interiors. You can still fall beneath the water. Scenery, weapons, objective, player spawns are all subject to change.

I am still looking for some help. I know Cons make me a sky :realsmug: but I need a few other things made, like the generators inside the pump room.



UPDATE 10/20

Had some time to work on it today. I kind like the dark atmosphere. What about you? I cant wait til I can get my hands on Cons sky.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2785/76507569.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1830/98791955.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1766/66151264.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/834/71516485.jpg

UPDATE 8/30

Wow, 2 fucking months...

And I havent done shit....

New Images, ALL SCENERY ARE PLACEHOLDERS

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2001/27017629.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2561/66948469.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8312/58970646.jpg


Almost ready for Test
UPDATE 6/13

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7577/59678048.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4779/47227575.jpg

Getting closer to a test. The map plays very symmetrical. I just have to work on some detail object and make some scenery. The model is about 90% done.

Two ways are better that one
UPDATE 6/11


So, I dont know if you all could notice, but there was really only on way to move across the level. That way was over or under the dam. After chatting with a few people, I made an underground portion that can be used as an alternate route.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8981/32776007.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4072/35601888.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7838/57145481.jpg


What up?
UPDATE 6/3

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9154/56394681.jpg

Oh Hai. (http://www.dawnunderheaven.net/)

Working on the cliffs. They wont be the same as in Halo 3 but similar. The ingame version is coming along and as soon as Brent gets back from screwing around well have a nice little test with 10+.


Oh hai
UPDATE 5/28

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1174/62595449.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8379/53807006.jpg

you do not want to know how difficult this was for me...

UPDATE 5/23


http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1516/91777419.jpghttp://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3302/63449092.jpg


UPDATE 5/23


Pretty much finished the base geometry for the new base. I just slopped textures on it to render it. I also added a small structure between the stairs the corner building and the new base for cover.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8499/31908066.jpg

So heres a look at the new base and the new structure. The structure is the same as the one on the other side but with different openings. Depending on how the game play plays out, I might changes the original one to have teh same openings.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4175/76636432.jpg

Heres the interior of the base, minus some inside walkways and stairs.


Original
http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/Quo/1.jpg
http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/Quo/2.jpg

So, in order to make the level more multiplayer oriented, I had to change around some parts of the geometry. Basically, with the original game geometry, the map would be to asymmetrical and would not have good game play. With the new geometry, the map is still asymmetrical, but gameplay wise is symmetrical. I dunno you get it or you dont.

[Sel]

This page is prompting me to log into an FTP, and your pictures are not showing.

[paladin]

Fixed it

[SMASH]

Title sounds like a processor lol. Looks really good

[Sel]

Reminds me of geo's map from a way back when.

Looks like a really fun Slayer king or oddball map.

[ThePlague]

Reminds me of geo's map from a way back when.

Looks like a really fun Slayer king or oddball map.
Geo's or geo's/deeps?

Also, nice job man, this'll look fantastic when it's done.

[Napalm]

Looks like a good snipers map.. those textures look like sex.

[Chainsy]

You mean water chapel sel? I still have the max file, and since deep has gone active again, I bet someone could convince him to finish it.

[dark navi]

BEAST MODE *activated*

Looking good mate. Who's helping you port it to CE?

[Angatar]

That looks like really fun map. Is the structure of the left in the first picture a flat roof with a angled wall, or does the roof form a pyramid shape?

[supersniper]

reminds me of that one spot in Halo 3 where you get the catch skull in The Storm level.

[Corndogman]

That looks like really fun map. Is the structure of the left in the first picture a flat roof with a angled wall, or does the roof form a pyramid shape?

I thought the same thing. From the first picture it looks like the roof is a pyramid, but if you look at the second you can tell that its a flat roof, but the building is sliced at an angle.

[Angatar]

I thought the same thing. From the first picture it looks like the roof is a pyramid, but if you look at the second you can tell that its a flat roof, but the building is sliced at an angle.
I see it now, thanks.

[Daishi]

This looks like the final encounter area of the same name in the first level of Halo 3. Nice looking place so far.

[Chainsy]

No shit sherlock.

[Joshflighter]

No shit sherlock.

Lol, but you don't have to be so rude. :(

You (OP) and Inferno make me want to get modeling again.

[paladin]

Pretty much finished the base geometry for the new base. I just slopped textures on it to render it. I also added a small structure between the stairs the corner building and the new base for cover.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8499/31908066.jpg

So heres a look at the new base and the new structure. The structure is the same as the one on the other side but with different openings. Depending on how the game play plays out, I might changes the original one to have teh same openings.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4175/76636432.jpg

Heres the interior of the base, minus some inside walkways and stairs.

[Malloy]

Lookin 'Rad' man,

If no one else helps with the custom textures soon, I'll offer my hand in help but I too am working on a map/map pack. Um since this is Halo 3 orientated but custom I'd like to include your map in the map pack if you're interested. I'll PM the dirties.

[paladin]

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1516/91777419.jpghttp://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3302/63449092.jpg

[jngrow]

BEAST MODE *activated*

Looking good mate. Who's helping you port it to CE?
OMG WAS THAT FROM BEAST WARS THAT SHOW WAS FUCKING AWESOME


Looks really good. The destruction looks a little clean, but then again it's probably best left how it is if it's going into CE.

[Advancebo]

I think it needs some pipes on the dam wall. The center stretch.

[n00b1n8R]

What's with the purple bits?

[paladin]

Its geometry without any applied texture, just like any gray, just another color. Most of the detail objects are pink. It helps me keep track of them and helps with layering.

Also, if your commenting on the destruction of the bridge, Most of the broken parts past the main part with be detail object, which I havent done yet.

[Corndogman]

Mind explaining the sliced in half building? Are there going to be cliffs there?

[paladin]

Yeah, there will be cliffs on either side of the river like in the campaign. The reason its such a hard angle because I was using the top face to bevel/extrude up.

[Scooby Doo]

loks sweet dude. i wish we could make water look amazing...would really add to the map. good luck man -.o

~Scoob

[Heathen]

Geo's or geo's/deeps?

Also, nice job man, this'll look fantastic when it's done.
Man. Deep is what got me into this whole scene /nostalgia.

[Heathen]

BEAST MODE *activated*

Looking good mate. Who's helping you port it to CE?
Dark Navi?

You wouldn't happen to know Dark Link now would you? :rolleyes:

[Higuy]

Looking pretty good, keep at it, I really want to see what the finished outcome will be :)

[dark navi]

Dark Navi?

You wouldn't happen to know Dark Link now would you? :rolleyes:

I might know him....

[PopeAK49]

Map looks great. Although I hope core gameplay is good, but we will see when it's done. The only thing I will like to point out even though it's a wip and that you might add these little things I'm about to tell you, that the interiors would look great with some light fixtures, pipes, and maybe moutain dew machines. Overall it looks great.

[dark navi]

Mabye 'Game Fuel' machines?

[paladin]

Oh hai

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1174/62595449.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8379/53807006.jpg

you do not want to know how difficult this was for me...

[MetKiller Joe]

Very nice. Wait... is that ingame?

[paladin]

Yeah. I just through a texture on it to get it in. Its the first time Ive used HEK in about 2 years. Ask Scooby. IT took me a day just to remember how to do things.

[MetKiller Joe]

Yeah. I just through a texture on it to get it in. Its the first time Ive used HEK in about 2 years. Ask Scooby. IT took me a day just to remember how to do things.


May I beta?

[paladin]

Not now. When I have more of it textured and more geometry and a few other things worked out Ill let a few people play it. But basically, if you have access to my FTP then you can play it when ever. >.> hint hint someone

[PopeAK49]

Mabye 'Game Fuel' machines?

You sir are win.

Paladin, Make a box add a Halo 3 mountain dew cover to the front, and for all the sides add a dark metal texture. :cool:

Omfg I found a texture you can unwrap on the vending machine box that you may never do.:XD:

http://img4.fpsbanana.com/ss/srends/thm_25875.jpg

[paladin]

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9154/56394681.jpg

Oh Hai. (http://www.dawnunderheaven.net/)

Working on the cliffs. They wont be the same as in Halo 3 but similar. The ingame version is coming along and as soon as Brent gets back from screwing around well have a nice little test with 10+.

[MetKiller Joe]

That looks superb. Can't wait to play it.

[PopeAK49]

Wow, looks really nice with those textures and cliffs. Still needs moar halo mountain dew soda machine, lol.

Oh ya, if you ever plan on making one of the multiplayer maps from halo 3 you should do ghost town, I bet you would nail that map down.

[Sel]

Hit me up when you've got an ingame beta you want tested, I can upload it to the bunghole.

[paladin]

KK, Id say by the end of next weekend. Brent's out of town so it wont be until hes back.

[Sever]

I have a pair of suggestions for you that would make the map flow so much better. At that area underneath the far side of the bridge, there needs to be an outlet from there leading to behind that side's central structure, be it a ladder, a stairwell, or even a teleporter. The second thing that needs to be done is something similar (but aesthetically different) on the near side of the bridge.

[paladin]

Idgi?

[Sever]

Come and play the level in H3 with me and I'll show you what I believe you should do. gamertag: sever323

[paladin]

I cant play right now, but Ill add you and you can show me later.

[paladin]

Like this?

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9625/48155921.jpg

[Sever]

No, you've got it going from the wrong lower part to the wrong backside. The area with the angled pipe leading down to it, with the exit being at the corner furthest from the dam.

[TVTyrant]

Hit me up on xfire. I'd love to help beta.
XFire:tvtyrant

[Joshflighter]

Sorry to bump. I just got Halo 3, and seen where this structure takes place. You did a good job with it too! I don't know if you stated this, but are you adding the cranes as well?

[Alwin Roth]

Why didn't i see this before?

this looks amazing.

[Cortexian]

I'd love to try this out ingame sometime to see how the textures stand up to close inspection... I demand FTP access to all latest builds!

[Longshot]

This looks fantastic, great work! Looking forward to when it gets released.

[paladin]

THose textures arent going to be there long. Scooby is making all new textures.

[paladin]

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9907/18971780.jpg

[paladin]

Huh?

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5075/51684075.jpg

[Malloy]

Yeh thats rad man, lovin the atmospherics but maybe add some sandy banks to the estuary of the out of reach environment. I seem to remember sandy banks in the campaign level :P

[n00b1n8R]

lookin p coo bra

[Sel]

why isn't it ingame so we can play it sir!?

Shit looks really nice.

[.Wolf™]

Man, Looks awesome.

[paladin]

I didnt have time to get a new build last night. Will do tonight. Me and Scooby will test it out and hopefully a full test will follow soon.

[Daishi]

Can't wait for it paladin. Great work on it.

[paladin]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/333/44226307.jpg

[Sever]

You are going to have sections of the old bridge lying on the bottom of the riverbed, right? Hell, they could even act as an additional path between the two sub-base platforms.

Keep up the good work.

[paladin]

WE are still figuring out the best possible way to make a second route, but to answer your question, yes, we are going to have the broken bridge.

[Longshot]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/333/44226307.jpgWow, great work!:jibbly:

[n00b1n8R]

Are those rusted roof textures from H2?

[Lateksi]

That looks awesome but the floor also looks like it's broken everywhere. Maybe add some vegetation on top of the rocks?

[Mythril]

Looks awesome, thought it was a render until I saw the water and the cyborg.

[Sever]

Yeah, add vegetation everywhere. Also, make the river bottom not so flat when you get around to it - just use the same method you used on the hills.

[PopeAK49]

If you need help with any plant placement for your map just PM me.

[paladin]

Are those rusted roof textures from H2?

All of them are except a few detail maps. They are place-holders until the level geometry is done. Then Scooby will get the model and make textures for it.


That looks awesome but the floor also looks like it's broken everywhere. Maybe add some vegetation on top of the rocks?

The main ground is just a place-holder bitmap. If you haven't noticed already, there are only 4 bitmaps on the map total. I assure you that the ground will look much nicer in weeks to come.

And, of course, I will be adding vegetation to the map. The power plant is a abandoned and overgrown and is located in the center of the jungle, so there is going to be vegetation. The reason there is none now (at least that I've shown you) is that the actual level geometry needs to be dealt with before detail objects are added. (note that the pipes, girders, catwalks, and windows aren't present in-game, but in the renders). Priorities.


Looks awesome, thought it was a render until I saw the water and the cyborg.

Thanks, I promise it'll look even better.


Yeah, add vegetation everywhere. Also, make the river bottom not so flat when you get around to it - just use the same method you used on the hills.

You won't be able to see the river bottom once a fog volume is added. I just haven't added it yet.


If you need help with any plant placement for your map just PM me.

I think I'll manage, but thanks anyways.

/long post

[paladin]

So, I dont know if you all could notice, but there was really only on way to move across the level. That way was over or under the dam. After chatting with a few people, I made an underground portion that can be used as an alternate route.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8981/32776007.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4072/35601888.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7838/57145481.jpg

[dark navi]

Glad to see that I am in the loop of information (not). That tunnel looks pretty sexy. Were is this exactly? In the dam?

[paladin]

i havent decided

[Corndogman]

wow, looks really nice. I'm liking the hallway, it fits the theme well. I'm assuming there is glass there though, you just haven't made the shaders?

[Huero]

Two paths still arent enough

[MetKiller Joe]

That looks really nice. Nice modular design.

Maybe a pontoon bridge also? With some wider sections with cover and debris?

[paladin]

THere will be a grate over the holes. Also, There will be the broken bridge

[Heathen]

grate
I was hoping.

[paladin]

I just put the player clip. I just wanted to see how it looked ingame and test the dimensions.

[Malloy]

I hope you havent left out the two floors in the bridge either (referring to Halo 3 campaign level) you can cross the damn via a tunnel underneath the walkway ontop. Thats surely alternative criss cross gameplay action already, so that and the curbing tunnel will be plenty (first half of question aimed at Paladin, second aimed @ Heuro who said two alternative routes wasnt enough)

Gameplay should be awsome. Atleast this will make sure there is confrontation as in some default maps like 'Danger Canyon' I can sometimes take aroute to the enemies base and not come into contact with anyone :\ (and no im not plaiyng on a server that says 1/16 :P)

[dark navi]

You should make it in the dam, and have one of the outside walls have windows underneath the falling water from the dam.

[paladin]

The whole point is to allow people to not go over the dam.

[Malloy]

Well I had this idea, maybe use a more shallow estuary transition to add an alternative route such as a shallow water jetty, Also implement the pipes that are in the dam campaign levels bsp.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p307/sgtbotley/dammapsuggestion1.jpg

[paladin]

http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/Quo/1.jpg

there are already pipes down, and thats where the broken bridge will be.

[Malloy]

sorry man I meant beyond the broken bridge, try and see it from a different perspective. I was thinking of a jetty crossing inbetween two shallow river banks beyond the broken bridge. At the banks of the river estuary.

[paladin]

ok

[paladin]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7577/59678048.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4779/47227575.jpg

Getting closer to a test. The map plays very symmetrical. I just have to work on some detail object and make some scenery. The model is about 90% done.

[Malloy]

Looks good, I take it peopel can jump from the lower platforms to the broken bridge and over right? If so theres you're alternative route nailed, GJ

[MetKiller Joe]

Looks awesome. Can't wait to see what you have planned for scenery.

[Malloy]

Looks awesome. Can't wait to see what you have planned for scenery.


Crane hopefully :3

[.Wolf™]

Get moveable Covenant Crates:O

[Oxygen]

i would jsut like to know...wtf are the updates. paladin, you seem like a man of false promises. and i think this map needs ot be completely redone anyways. from your renders, it looks like the map is 50k polies or more. This is HCE, not H3. (plus your modeling is horrendous :) )

good luck with this junk...besides, Scooby is slow anyways. expect this thing to be done some time next year.

lol :) :) :)

[Disaster]

i would jsut like to know...wtf are the updates. paladin, you seem like a man of false promises. and i think this map needs ot be completely redone anyways. from your renders, it looks like the map is 50k polies or more. This is HCE, not H3. (plus your modeling is horrendous :) )

good luck with this junk...besides, Scooby is slow anyways. expect this thing to be done some time next year.

lol :) :) :)

uhh
:frogout2:

[Joshflighter]

You think he sucks at modeling? Thats... thats.... sad. :(

[PopeAK49]

Who are you sir? And why are you bumpin this topic? If it's a crappy model then why do you care so much in bumping the topic?

[Rentafence]

I smell satire.

[Malloy]

It looks like an anti sarcastic compliment :P

[Gwunty]

derp I edited dis?

[paladin]

i would jsut like to know...wtf are the updates. paladin, you seem like a man of false promises. and i think this map needs ot be completely redone anyways. from your renders, it looks like the map is 50k polies or more. This is HCE, not H3. (plus your modeling is horrendous :) )

good luck with this junk...besides, Scooby is slow anyways. expect this thing to be done some time next year.

lol :) :) :)

Wow really, you crawl out from under your rock of what ? 5 years when Im on vacation, bash me, and then run back. Dick. Looks liek you need to l2 estimate because its actually 65k polies and who says it wont go into H3? Dont get me start on Scooby, that fag. He cant fnish anything. The shitty cmt biped skin took the mother fucker a year to make and it looks like my toilet paper after I wipe my ass. The release date for the pack has already been set for 0000 09.01.10


uhh
:frogout2:
no


You think he sucks at modeling? Thats... thats.... sad. :(

This oxygen guy blows me while I model, thats why I suck.


Who are you sir? And why are you bumpin this topic? If it's a crappy model then why do you care so much in bumping the topic?

Because Hes a fucking trole. He lives under a rock. He was a pretty decent modder back when ce first came out, but fuck, all hes good for now is head.


I smell satire.

:awesome:


It looks like an anti sarcastic compliment :P

orly


http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/modacity/buttons/redcard.gifSTOP DO NOT TROLEhttp://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/modacity/buttons/redcard.gif

please no, or gtfo

[Malloy]

Dont get me start on Scooby, that fag. He cant fnish anything. The shitty cmt biped skin took the mother fucker a year to make and it looks like my toilet paper after I wipe my ass. The release date for the pack has already been set for 0000 09.01.10


D/W folkes, looks like another case of anti sarcastic compliment syndrome :P

[paladin]

That was completely srs business

[PopeAK49]

:realsmug:

[paladin]

Just letting you guys know this isnt dead. In reality, its more alive then it ever was. QPQ is now in the hands of Scooby, and I have to say, if he does as good of a job on the rest of the map as hes done now, itll be one spectacular map. I mentioned it a while ago, that we are doing a few maps, I jsut wanted to show off a small portion of one of the others thats in developement. IM continuously updating it on my website, but this is the first time here.

Take a look:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6278/68907857.jpg

Ill keep updates going on my site and Ill do one here as soon as Scooby thinks hes ready. ty :)

[n00b1n8R]

Good to know you're still working on it. :)

[shadowslayer123]

nice pics, cant wait to try it

[Scooby Doo]

EVERYONE TAKE NOTE: do NOT ever never map with this tard. he sucks. seriously. -rep him right now. everyone do it.

...sending me fucked up maps and such. wtf.

[paladin]

Your jsut too stupid. YOur the one who fucked up the map...... NOT MY PROBLEM

[PopeAK49]

lolwut?

[paladin]

You know what.... FUCK YOU. Im gonna kill you mother fucker

[PopeAK49]

I'm confused what the fuck is going on. If you guys are serious take it to PM's.

[paladin]

STAY OUT OF THIS

[Scooby Doo]

wtf. dude i have a folder on my desktop named 'shit' and i'm putting all your files in it. then ima put it on a flash drive and put it in the microwave!!! then ima flash it down the toilet with some M80's.

[PopeAK49]

lock...please.

[paladin]

?

[DEElekgolo]

Whats going on? I'm scared.

[Saggy]

When can we expect a release date?

/sarcasm

[Scooby Doo]

when bluestreak starts working...

[paladin]

^ that.. sorry Ghosty :)

[PopeAK49]

:mech2: O good it's not an actual fight. My sarcasm indicators are leaving me.....

[paladin]

lol no. we were both frustrated at each other, basically blaming each other for problems cause by different versions of max. but it was resolved quite peacefully, we just jokingly as friends blew the situation out of proportion.

[paladin]

BRENT IF YOU READ THIS BEFORE I TALK TO YOU TOMORROW:

I modeled tunnel system with only on tunnel and no tele. Ill send you pics when we get together. I think itll work out pretty good. See ya mate

p.s. raw-dawg

[Scooby Doo]

btw, peoples, we're planning on having another open beta this weekend. so if you'd like to participate, let us know :)

also, if anyone here who can hook us up with a server for the test - we will give you rights to our closed beta!!! it would be really nice if we could have the large test on a good server. PM me if you can help.


SCOTT, when you get your lazy ass outta bed you need to send me the pics. im working on this thing here at work.

p.s. Re: raw dawg

[Higuy]

You can use my 12 man server if you'd like, just send me the map over or talk to me on aim or something.

[Advancebo]

Whos this tard testing on your guys map unfinished map?

http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=27010&start=602

[Scooby Doo]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17337

we had a lil open alpha to get some opinions about the second path...

next open beta will be tomarrow. we will announce it soon.

[paladin]

yo raw dawg you got aim or something at work

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1958/26311242.jpg

Thats the shaft and tunnel. I already have a working version in game.

[Advancebo]

How does the shaft work? Ladders?

[paladin]

most likely, unfortunately, because the need to be two-way. The whole point to the shaft and single tunnel was to eliminate the teleporters.

[Scooby Doo]

we're going to have another open beta today. can anyone hook us up with a spot on your server for CTF 12-16 players?

Paladin will be making a new thread with the d/l soon...

[paladin]

Anyone interested in helping me out a bit? Mainly making a few pieces of scenery. More specifically, trees.

[Hunter]

Where are trees on this map? Lol.

Id be happy to supply you with any weapon/vehicle model you need. (Which I already have modelled).

[paladin]

New Images, ALL SCENERY ARE PLACEHOLDERS

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2001/27017629.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2561/66948469.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8312/58970646.jpg

[hry]

Stock weapons or custom?, anyways it looks so fukin pro. lulz

[Cortexian]

Stock weapons or custom?, anyways it looks so fukin pro. lulz
I believe it was stated that it would be stock.

[Ganon]

Stock weapon supremacy~

[Rentafence]

How did you do the water? I'm guessing the lower pool is real, and the water on the higher side of the damn is just a plane with the texture on it.

[paladin]

the lower has a fog plane and the upper is a water plane and two partially transparent planes of the same color as the fog.

I have also changed the layout quite a bit. When I get more done, Ill either release another test or make a video.

[Lateksi]

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2561/66948469.jpg
The floor cracks are too repetitive. Also, you have assault rifles on the lower, hard to get to places. Wouldn't there better be power weapons like rockets/snipers or something?

[Ganon]

I've always noticed repetitive textures are hard to notice ingame. That doesnt appear to be a serious problem...

[paladin]

When your walking on the ground, you can see it. Also, Those are no where near finished.

[Advancebo]

A different texture should go here:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc292/Advancebo/something.jpg

[paladin]

Most likely there will be. About 70% does not have an assigned material yet.

[Advancebo]

^Those covenant crates could use better shaders too.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc292/Advancebo/crates.png
/suggestion

[paladin]

If you are offering...


Also,

These are the type of trees I am looking for if anyone is interested...

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5681/91384553full.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6791/57576858full.jpg

[Cortexian]

Get that sky too! :-3

[Advancebo]

Get that sky too! :-3

Fractures sky would work well...

And yes, I was offering the crates :downs:


EDIT:
I found this within the contents of my computer. Dont know where it came from.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc292/Advancebo/lookwatifound.png

[paladin]

The shape looks good but the leaves would have to change.

[UnevenElefant5]

There's h2 trees on HM:
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=4635
Looks sorta similar.

[paladin]

TY, but like Advancebo's, theyd have to be edited

[Advancebo]

Ill package the stuff later today, then send you the tags/tree. Then you can edit the leaves :-3

[paladin]

For Con

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1928/82145114full.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2232/82005818full.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7717/60677055full.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2964/91384191full.jpg
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4525/91383483full.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3805/91379163full.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8278/89709463full.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1411/87150872full.jpg




LOL, also a new version is available to play on my website. Please download and let me know what you think.

http://www.dawnunderheaven.net/

[UnevenElefant5]

This map looks incredible, downloading.

[ultama121]

Really really really pleasant visuals.

[paladin]

Lol, its only 50% done. But thanks

[ThePlague]

I don't think the fall underwater kills you. I accidentally fell and got stuck, so I had to restart :\

[paladin]

Theres going to be a kill trigger volume.

[ThePlague]

Okay cool.

[Advancebo]

Played it, but didnt like the water ):

Also add a barrier or something here, on both sides.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc292/Advancebo/needsbarrier.jpg

Like the stairs in Foundry, see the sides?
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5539/22207608fullxn6.jpg

[klange]

Also add a barrier or something here, on both sides.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc292/Advancebo/needsbarrier.jpg
Like the stairs in Foundry, see the sides?
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5539/22207608fullxn6.jpg

I'd also argue it need some support struts.

[paladin]

I will, I havent got around to it yet. That top part is just a plane for now to show that there actually will be one.

[paladin]

Lol e: The stairs and all the walk ways like so will have supports and look real, at least I plan on it.

[paladin]

Had some time to work on it today. I kind like the dark atmosphere. What about you? I cant wait til I can get my hands on Cons sky.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2785/76507569.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1830/98791955.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1766/66151264.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/834/71516485.jpg

[TVTyrant]

Daaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnn

[Con]

If you decide to go with different lighting then I can adjust your version of the sky.

[Kaishounashi]

wow, what is it about that dusk/sunset that makes a map look even better?

nice work :D

[paladin]

I think it gives it a more ruined look.

[Cagerrin]

If you're going to use that lighting shade, at least make the stone a different color. Looks... un-natural as is.

[n00b1n8R]

Looks fine to me vOv

[Cagerrin]

Looking at it again, it's not the lighting that makes it look un-natural, it's the repetitiveness. Pretty much every last texture tiles rather obviously. I realize they're kind of supposed to, but it ought to be more subtle.

[paladin]

Thats because the entire map has one texture on it.

[Lateksi]

Wow. Are those ingame pics without any gfx tweaks? The map looks awesome with that warm yet dark look.
I'd like YoyoV2.1 to have that feel to it.

[Timo]

If the textures are going to be mixed up a bit before release, it'll look awesome :-3

[paladin]

Id say that about 80% of the map is not textured correctly. Really, they have just been separated out into material groups (ground, cliff, ect..), There will be a lot more variation on the structures. I haven't gotten around to texturing them yet since for the longest time the geometry kept changing.

[paladin]

NEW BETA LINK 10/27
CLICK HERE TO TEST 4.4 (http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/QPQ_Beta4.4.rar)

Very similar to most recent pics. I add rain to see how it looks. I must have missed a portal so it rains on some interiors. You can still fall beneath the water. Scenery, weapons, objective, player spawns are all subject to change.

I am still looking for some help. I know Cons make me a sky :realsmug: but I need a few other things made, like the generators inside the pump room.

[Dwood]

downloading now. That's a pretty slow upload, but w/e I guess.

[TeeKup]

lmao I just downloaded 4.2 from your site and started ce. Damnit. ._.

[TeeKup]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4937/error2k.png
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1042/error1j.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3286/error3i.png

Look things!

[paladin]

1st: I keep forgetting to fix that. Thanks for the reminder
2nd: I suck at portals. Im going to need some help with that.
3rd: Noted. If you look around youll find even more.

Also, Im going to change the link on my sight now.

[Con]

Someone needs to make a proper portalling tutorial.

[paladin]

I know rite?

[.Wolf™]

Do it!!

[Ganon]

Someone needs to make a proper portalling tutorial.

are there even any out there to begin with

[.Wolf™]

Uh yeah The HEK tutorial got it.

[paladin]

Uh yeah The HEK tutorial got it.


Its not the best. It just shows you how to make them. It doesnt really tell how to port a more complex map.

HEK portals:

he creation and placement of portals: The hallways for the 2 base structures (blue base and red base) will be made Exact portal volumes.
Later, when the level is running in the game, use rasterizer_wireframe 1 to view the level and exit and enter the hallways to see how the level geometry and objects are not drawn from the player view as this portal volume is entered and exited.
1) Select the blue base. In Face mode, create 2 polygons that exactly fit the doorways of the hallways.
2) Make sure the normals for the faces point outwards, this will help define the volume between the faces. the normals can be viewed by clicking on the Show Normals check box under Selection. If the normals are not easily visible, the lengths of the visual representations of the normals can be increased using the Scale value.
3) Detach the faces for the Exact portals by clicking on Detach under Edit Geometry. The Detach dialog window will appear.
4) In the Detach as: field enter the name "base portals".
5) Click on OK.
Repeat the above procedures 1-5 for the red base and combine the 8 faces that compose the portals into 1 object called "base portals".
The first image further explains the above procedures.

6) Now select the "base portals" object and apply the "portal materials" Multi/Sub-Object.
Once this is complete, assign the +exactportal material to the faces by selecting all the faces and setting the Material ID to 2 for the faces.
Once this is complete, the "base portals" object should be linked to the "frame".
Note that the portal materials are at 80% opacity, this is just a setting in the Sub-Material and has no effect in game, it is just used as a visual aid in 3ds Max.
The two hallways have now been defined as Exact Portal volumes.
The second image further explains the above procedures and shows the final results of the listed operations.

The level will now be divided using standard Portals.
7) Deselect all objects. Under Create click on Plane.
8) Enter the following values in the listed fields, Length Segs: 1 and Width Segs: 5
9) In the Right view, create the plane such that the edges extreme edges extend past the extents of the level.
Take this plane and create 3 more planes for a total of 4 planes that run lengthwise "North" to "South".
The third image further explains the above procedures and shows the final results of the listed operations.

10) Convert all the planes into an Editable Mesh (Edit Mesh) and Attach all the planes into 1 object called "terrain portals".
11) The planes and faces were all aligned to try and divide the level evenly. Vertices and the associated edges and faces were aligned along major edge boundaries in the level.
The fourth image further explains the above procedures and shows the final results the above procedures.

12) To further subdivide the level into more portals, faces running "West" to "East" were created using the existing vertices and edges for the planes. Only the middle 4 edges and associated vertices were used. In addition, the edges were extended past the level boundaries.
Make sure that the normals are consistent for all the faces, this will determine how the portal volumes are created.
In the example, the faces running "East" to "West" have their normals pointing North, while the faces running "North" to "South" have their normals facing "East".
13) Select all the faces and Clear All the Smoothing Groups and apply Material ID 1 to all the faces to assign the +portal material.
Once the above procedures are completed, link the "terrain portals" object to the reference frame "frame" object.
The level has now been portalled.
The fifth image or last image further explains the above procedures and shows the final results the above procedures.

[.Wolf™]

Which is my point, There should be a better one!

[Horns]

Which is my Con's point, There should be a better one!
Yep there sure should be.

[.Wolf™]

Got that wrong, Ganon said "are there even any out there to begin with"
I said "Uh yeah The HEK tutorial got it."

Then paladin thought or atleast i think he did that i meant that the HEK tutorial one is really easy to follow which isnt what i meant. I then said Which is my point because Paladin wrote "Its not the best. It just shows you how to make them. It doesnt really tell how to port a more complex map.

HEK portals:ECT ECT" Durr, There was an missunderstanding there.. Nvm.

[paladin]

Most of the new content.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2553/89083079.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2729/11151052.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4733/66655776.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5193/92765809.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4555/36746479.jpg

[Dwood]

Someone needs to fix the textures on the map because imho it looks kinda bland. :(

[LlamaMaster]

Someone needs to fix the textures on the map because imho it looks kinda bland. :(
This. Everything is way too brown.

[Sever]

Someone needs to fix the textures on the map because imho it looks kinda bland. :(Look back a few posts and you'll see it explained.
Looking at it again, it's not the lighting that makes it look un-natural, it's the repetitiveness. Pretty much every last texture tiles rather obviously. I realize they're kind of supposed to, but it ought to be more subtle.
Thats because the entire map has one texture on it.

[Advancebo]

looks nice

[paladin]

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4087/68848547.jpg

Anyone interested in UV mapping, animating and putting in game as scenery

[Advancebo]

How would it be animated?

[Bastinka]

That's what I was thinking. Looks like a static object, can't really see how it would move except maybe a scrolling texture?

[Con]

At most you would have animated textures to replicate the ones in Last Resort.

[Sever]

At most you would have animated textures to replicate the ones in Last Resort Quid Pro Quo.

You gotta remember, most of the Multiplayer assets are taken directly from campaign. These specific generators are located along the back wall under the glass tube ceiling.

[Sel]

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4087/68848547.jpg

Anyone interested in UV mapping, animating and putting in game as scenery

I already said I'd animate it didn't I?

[Advancebo]

If they are to be animated, it should be a full 360, not just half. (If without scrolling textures)

[paladin]

After looking at the one from Halo 3, there are no moving parts. So really it needs to be textures and have sound added.

[Dwood]

After looking at the one from Halo 3, there are no moving parts. So really it needs to be textures and have sound added.

Animate it, if only to be cooler than Halo 3.

[Mass]

Why would the casing for a dynamo be animated?

Don't waste your time.

Model looks about right, although it feels a little bare for some reason.

[Advancebo]

Maybe have an alpha on the outside casing, then a cylinder on the inside thats animated.

[paladin]

Started the dam texture

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3301/75667213.jpg

+rep if you can name the movie im watching

[MissingSpartan7]

i'm just thinking...in one of the first betas there was a tunnel underneath. what happened to that?

[paladin]

It was cut.

[Advancebo]

Get a new waterfall ):

[Dwood]

It'd take Con 60 seconds to do a better one. :)

[.Wolf™]

Started the dam texture

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3301/75667213.jpg

+rep if you can name the movie im watching

Broke Back Mountain..LUL

[paladin]

Get a new waterfall ):

Thats the original from the first test Scooby made. Its not on my priority list right now, but if he or someone offered tags for one, I would be happy to use them.


Broke Back Mountain..LUL

No. My movie was directed by Kevin Costner (2003).

[Con]

Dances with Wolves

[paladin]

Thats 1990

[Lateksi]

Open Range

[paladin]

imdb ftw...

[paladin]

If anyone is interested in helping with generator, here at the the files.

(http://ww.forwarduntodawn.net/tur%20gen.rar)model (http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/turgen.rar)

Sound clip (http://www.forwarduntodawn.net/Gen.mp3)

Im currently working on editing and looping the sound clip. ill post it when Im done

[paladin]

Spent the past 6 hours working on uvs and new textures/shaders:

Also, Futurama ftw

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9530/84869566.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2112/46421207.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3420/52327663.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4251/45563496.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5917/32522616.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5903/66982773.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5961/29341083.jpg

[Inferno]

Water tiles so obviously. :gonk:

[Higuy]

Looks nice.

[paladin]

Water tiles so obviously. :gonk:

I havent worked on the water, other than change the bump map. Like the waterfall, its pretty low on my priority list atm. I have some plans for the water, but there are other things that need to be done first, eg finish uving the map.

[Rob Oplawar]

Out of curiosity, can you have a base bump map and a detail bump map? That could make the water look much better. My guess is you can't, though.

[Advancebo]

Out of curiosity, can you have a base bump map and a detail bump map? That could make the water look much better. My guess is you can't, though.

no.

[Inferno]

I think its 2 bump maps that scroll over each other to create the illusion of water.

[Rob Oplawar]

Could you give the two scrolling bitmaps different sizes so their least common multiple is as large as possible? That way although they both tile a lot the resulting map tiles much less, if that makes sense.

[paladin]

More UVs done + futurama

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/629/87858758.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9347/10215581.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4781/31146619.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7893/92036294.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/566/77095624.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4151/21724474.jpg

[Ganon]

you just inspired me to download all that is futurama~

the map is looking very nice though

[paladin]

I just obtained every episode... >.> <.< from my cousin >.> <.< who has the dvds

[n00b1n8R]

I just obtained every episode... >.> <.< from my cousin >.> <.< who has the dvds
Is he the one who lives in the next town over?
That's my cousin too :allears:

[paladin]

Is he the one who lives in the next town over?
That's my cousin too :allears:

:realsmug:

[Scooby Doo]

looking good old pal. keep it up.

[paladin]

Ha, wheres my crane?

[NerveBooger]

Water:



piece of water plane sticking thru wall near one ladder
make the water tiling much larger
add a death plane beneath surface of the water, using over shield, you survive the fall which means you can go off the map - on both sides inside and out


Ladders:



ick

Clipping:

happens everywhere, plus Rain and flying bugs inside and outside - may be solved with increasing render distance? portaling? (dunno)

Other:



You should be able to hear mc's footsteps, and right sounds, metal sound on metal grates and walkways
Hazard lights - light apears on other side of wall - move it down the wall further from cieling, and tiny bit away from surface - or place on the cieling and away from the wall
Flags: blue one didn't move for me, red one did. make custom flags for this custom map


Overall - I like it

[paladin]

Water:



piece of water plane sticking thru wall near one ladder
Not sure what you're talking about, pics? I am aware of certain spots that need to be fixed.
make the water tiling much larger
I haven't worked on the water yet. Its a fairly easy fix, just messing with the shaders, so I am more focused on other issues right now.
add a death plane beneath surface of the water, using over shield, you survive the fall which means you can go off the map - on both sides inside and out
I do plan on adding one, but again, it's something pretty low on my list of things to do.


Ladders:



ick
Will change, if you look at the first build, they haven't changed at all from when Scooby got the map ingame. Again, I'm lazy.

Clipping:

happens everywhere, plus Rain and flying bugs inside and outside - may be solved with increasing render distance? portaling? (dunno)

Its a portaling issue. I've started to portal the map, but I am still having issues with it. A few people have agreed to help me when I am further along in development.

Other:



You should be able to hear mc's footsteps, and right sounds, metal sound on metal grates and walkways
Not sure why this is happening. I can go back into the shader and make sure the right material type is selected.
Hazard lights - light appears on other side of wall - move it down the wall further from ceiling, and tiny bit away from surface - or place on the ceiling and away from the wall
Again, not sure why the light goes through the walls. I'll look into it.
Flags: blue one didn't move for me, red one did. make custom flags for this custom map
The flags move because of wind added to the map. If a flag doesn't appear or move its because there is no weather attached to that portal. I must have forgotten to go back and add one when I remade the portals.



Overall - I like it

Thanks for your input. I wish more people would review it like you did. Hopefully most the of the issue addressed will be fixed. (Some mentioned have already, just not in a released version.)

If I can continue working on it like I am, I should be able to get this done relatively soon.

[paladin]

What do you think of the new layout. More of a 8 shape instead of a 'U'

http://image.odinseye.org/images/40.jpg

http://image.odinseye.org/images/41.jpg

the dam on lower part of the picture will be broken up more

[DarkHalo003]

If Reach ever becomes Halo Reach Custom Edition, please port this map and make it a firefight.

Otherwise, I like it a lot as it actually is. Keep up any improvements you have in mind though.

[Higuy]

only way to see if it works better is a beta test... so.

it does look bettere however, and the removal of the sewer pipes is great. the only thing I suggest is a sniper rifle on either "flanking side routes" (lower dam, tree/rock whatever it is) and a OS or invs in the middle damn. another thing to look at is that the upper flanking area is unbalanced with the lower becuase it has no rails (also looks a bit smaller) and you could easily fall off it more.

either way, get a beta out.

[paladin]

If I can finish my animations for work, I should be able to get a test going soon

[Scooby Doo]

fo realz?

[paladin]

C2