Why Modacity is bad.

[Snowy]

Let me give you some examples:
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15994
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=360718#post360718
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16005
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=400377#post400377
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16007 (Any and ALL Birthday threads)
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15915
And the moderators certainly don't help the cause.
After Halo 2 Vista died, the forum has basically no use anymore. The forum is filled with a bunch of bad internet jokes, threads that turn to crap, and threads that have almost no point at all, and end up being worthless. I'm not saying that Modacity should become a strict-no-nonsense kind of forum, but it's just becoming very repetitive, boring, and no longer funny.

For example:
How to make a birthday thread:
Step 1: Create a thread with a seemingly un-related title to the thread content.
Step 2: Post happy birthday.
Step 3: Have other members join in, and have some post unrelated material, silly smiley faces, or old internet memes.

Reps are also very stupid. Half the time I don't even know why I, or someone else gets one. It seems like they're just there to boost your modacity ego.

The owners and administrators really messed up after h2v died. They really could've turned the new "modacity" into something great, but unfortunately, it's just rotting on what could have been.

[jcap]

I'm thinking of a no birthday thread rule. Or at least one big birthday thread if you insist on there being one.

Birthdays are best left to the profile visitor comments. If you want to say happy birthday, do it there. It would be more noticed by them too because of the alerts.

[Bodzilla]

I'm thinking of a no birthday thread rule. Or at least one big birthday thread if you insist on there being one.

Birthdays are best left to the profile visitor comments. If you want to say happy birthday, do it there. It would be more noticed by them too because of the alerts.
Fine with me.

i dont think the forums are THAT bad atm snowy i think your just getting a bit melodramatic.
where all having fun aint we? (to an extent)

like i said earlier you need something to encourage people to move to the new engines and try out source and UT3.
whether it's a competition or some prizes to get people trying out this stuff.

If you play your cards right and sell modacity to some hardware suppliers as a buisness you can use marketing to get some products for free to give out as prizes.
It's happened at other forums i've gone too.

[Sel]

Make blind mod,

[sdavis117]

I thought Epic Games already did a UT3 mod competition with prizes and shit.

But maybe we should ask Bungie for Recon for us to give away in some useless competition. Then thousands of useless members join. We give this new traffic information to an advertising agency to increase how much they would pay us to put an ad on our site, lock in a good ad rate, we put an ad back up in the top right corner (I mean will that really hurt anyone?), we ban the members who joined just for Recon (only if they get really annoying that is, which most of them will), then we use the extra money to buy more servers to host servers in games that are mod-friendly. Then those players will join Modacity, learn how to mod for their favorite games, then become productive members. We will then have a thriving community.

My next step after that involves hacking the Pentagon, but that's for a later time.

[Jelly]

Make blind mod,
seconded

[teh lag]

Make blind mod,


seconded

Not in this thread, guys.

[Jelly]

I don't know why you think Modacity needs a purpose. I know plenty of forums which have tons of active posters who just go there for banter.

Rep is dumb, yes, but Blind would fix that.

[Mr Buckshot]

well, all those threads you pointed out are in the Off Topic section, which is called Off Topic for a reason...

Other sections are not like that, there are plenty of constructive threads in those sections, such as WIPs for Source engine mods and so on. I have yet to see threads as "bad" or "useless" as those you pointed out in, say, the CE section or the TF2 section. Every forum I've been to has similar "crap" going on in their respective off topic sections, that's a fact.

http://encefalus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/joker.jpg

WHY SO SERIOUS?

[blind]

werdz
Uhhh lol. You serious? This is a community with membership based from the amazingly well designed game known as HALO CUSTOM EDITION.
You want it be serious? I come here for laughs, I legitimately hate few people here (you know who you are :embarrassed:) and I love it. Like that thread I made was actually legit and I wanted to vent, the other threads were just an idiot being drunk, trying to follow some Timo trend and Atty being a sex kitten. Seriously lighten up brother. Stop being so serious :)

I don't know why you think Modacity needs a purpose. I know plenty of forums which have tons of active posters who just go there for banter.

Rep is dumb, yes, but Blind would fix that.
Legit. I would acutally moderate these forums with efficiency but you guys won't give me a chance :(

Not in this thread, guys.
ok cutie ;)

[NullZero]

/b/ but with vBulletin

[Huero]

CHRIST
You people bitch far too much.
Birthday threads and their kin are not the sign of the DOWNFALL OF MODACITY (oh no!)
Nay, rather they are attempts at having FUN on a FORUM (oh god no save us)
If people remove all topics that are like that, then the forums won't be fun anymore.
Spam topics en masse are bad, but a single spam topic every once in a while isn't; they're nice changes of pace, really. Not to mention really easy to ignore.

[.Wolf™]

Snowy Your logic is rocksolid


Don't forget my +rep!

[Jean-Luc]

Not to mention really easy to ignore.
You...you mean I can choose what I want to read? What the fuck sir!
Woot for sarcasm

[Sel]

seriouscity.net/forums

[Boba]

You know what you could do to improve the site? Cut the bullshit, and expand user interaction to the main site itself; make a site where modders would come to show their work rather than a place where the 'new kids' post shitty recolours. Give an outlet other than forum posts to the modders. Do this, and the forums will improve. Limit the forums to discussion only.

That's just what I think, though.

oh and demod attisuc

[CN3089]

Make blind mod,

quoting this cuz i'm down

fake edit:


Not in this thread, guys.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/GoonFleet/Untitled-1.gif

[ODX]

What would happen if the Off-Topic forum was taken down/locked for 1 month? :rolleyes:

[Inferno]

I sure would be a lot more productive and also 4chan would get a lot of new users.

Also modacity would die.

[Timo]

Let me give you some examples:
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15994
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=360718#post360718
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16005
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=400377#post400377
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16007 (Any and ALL Birthday threads)
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15915
And the moderators certainly don't help the cause.
After Halo 2 Vista died, the forum has basically no use anymore. The forum is filled with a bunch of bad internet jokes, threads that turn to crap, and threads that have almost no point at all, and end up being worthless. I'm not saying that Modacity should become a strict-no-nonsense kind of forum, but it's just becoming very repetitive, boring, and no longer funny.

For example:
How to make a birthday thread:
Step 1: Create a thread with a seemingly un-related title to the thread content.
Step 2: Post happy birthday.
Step 3: Have other members join in, and have some post unrelated material, silly smiley faces, or old internet memes.

Reps are also very stupid. Half the time I don't even know why I, or someone else gets one. It seems like they're just there to boost your modacity ego.

The owners and administrators really messed up after h2v died. They really could've turned the new "modacity" into something great, but unfortunately, it's just rotting on what could have been.

The first thread should be locked,
The second thread was closed as soon as it was open,
The third thread was only open for an hour an a half,
Atty is stupid and birthday threads suck.

Solution: Ban blind, atty and birthday threads.


To be serious, birthday threads don't serve a purpose at all, and I really should've locked blind's thread when it started. I can't lock another moderators thread, though !
e: Also, when people see someone has a birthday they can just click on their profile and post a visitor message. There's no need to tell everyone else it's someones birthday, that can see it themselves at the bottom of the forum.

[Inferno]

And add a drunk algorithm so people like me don't get wasted and find that modacity is there homepage.

[Rosco]

Let me give you some examples:
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15994
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=360718#post360718
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16005
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=400377#post400377
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16007 (Any and ALL Birthday threads)
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15915
And the moderators certainly don't help the cause.
Kk , most if not all threads don't live long if they suck, moderators aren't dumb. But heh, I see your point so far.



After Halo 2 Vista died, the forum has basically no use anymore. The forum is filled with a bunch of bad internet jokes, threads that turn to crap, and threads that have almost no point at all, and end up being worthless. I'm not saying that Modacity should become a strict-no-nonsense kind of forum, but it's just becoming very repetitive, boring, and no longer funny.

For example:
How to make a birthday thread:
Step 1: Create a thread with a seemingly un-related title to the thread content.
Step 2: Post happy birthday.
Step 3: Have other members join in, and have some post unrelated material, silly smiley faces, or old internet memes.

Reps are also very stupid. Half the time I don't even know why I, or someone else gets one. It seems like they're just there to boost your modacity ego.

The owners and administrators really messed up after h2v died. They really could've turned the new "modacity" into something great, but unfortunately, it's just rotting on what could have been.

oh wat have you done i dont even :saddowns:
also, the HIV forums was an example of shit, don't compare this to a forum which failed like HIV.

[mech]

I love this place :mech2:it's toadally awesome~~!

[CN3089]

I love this place :mech2:it's toadally awesome~~!

:mech:

[ICEE]

heres an idea.

Ban ALL members.

it will be much better.

[Corndogman]

seconded

Jelly for mod, tbh.

Also I agree with what Boba said, all of it.

I agree that this place does have some flaws but I think we can make it better if we try. It would be great if more sections were active than just Halo CE and Off topic (tech a little bit too), but we need more modders from those engines to join, like Boba said. We just need something besides the forums to draw people in, then they will start posting eventually.

[MetKiller Joe]

More people like coming here for drama. Mods aren't as active as they used to be. So, you can kill the semi-legitimate activity that's here, but you will be left with practically nothing.

I think people turn to the off topic section when there is nobody posting anything spectacular or often in the Halo: CE section or Art Studio, and I could be wrong (could be that most people come here trying to find some kind of meme themed party).

If you don't like the forums, you don't have to be here. (Figuratively) Vote with your feet and go. On a side note, can we just have one "I hate what this forum has become" thread; that way people can vent, and it won't spawn these threads which accomplish next to nothing.

[FRain]

Recently (past few days) I've been seeing alot of shit circulating with reckless abandon. While I think that there should still be some fun left into the forums, the sheer MASS of the shit turds floating around is what really discourages me. Honestly we need less "I'm drunk and I'm fucking stupid" threads, or confine it to all one thread, and less "Happy birthday, k, lets just start posting goatse in this thread" threads. They just circulate more shit and its really unnecessary now.

[FRain]

Here is an example of a good thread:

http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=45458&highlight=reputation+system

Here is an example of a shit thread:

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5291&highlight=Reputation+System

BTW: In no way am I complaining about the reputation system, but I am showing the maturity difference between the two forums.

[Jean-Luc]

Here is an example of a good thread:

http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=45458&highlight=reputation+system

Here is an example of a shit thread:

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5291&highlight=Reputation+System

BTW: In no way am I complaining about the reputation system, but I am showing the maturity difference between the two forums.

You're picking one specific post from each forum. In no way does that mean the forum as a whole has that maturity level. I was on GBX for a long time, and I can safely say that they have their fair share of dumbass/immature posts too.

[Champ]

I say demod Atty since his threads were spam and crap and mod blind since his thread was spam and hilarious. See? You subtract the crap and add hilarity.

[jcap]

why don't you just hack him to mod

[Champ]

Because that would take away from all his hard work and dedication to modacity.

[blind]

The first thread should be locked,
The second thread was closed as soon as it was open,
The third thread was only open for an hour an a half,
Atty is stupid and birthday threads suck.

Solution: Ban blind, atty and birthday threads.


To be serious, birthday threads don't serve a purpose at all, and I really should've locked blind's thread when it started. I can't lock another moderators thread, though !
e: Also, when people see someone has a birthday they can just click on their profile and post a visitor message. There's no need to tell everyone else it's someones birthday, that can see it themselves at the bottom of the forum.
Wow timo, i thought we were friends..

[Sel]

Improve gallery functionality, change it from a thread form to something similar to this (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=5889)

And everything boba said.

Bring back the featured map frontpage modules too.

[blind]

Seriously tho, I'd be more of a teh lag style moderator. He doesn't take no guff from NO BADDIE

[Sel]

Honestly, let blind try it. If he does a good job let him keep it.

[StankBacon]

lol.

[ICEE]

lol.
^


really though, there should be bannings. So many people shitpost and get away with it because they have high rep. heres an idea, make infractions deduct rep as well. Then we'll see how people behave.

[supersniper]

bring back GBX!
i think the +rep for donations should be gone... but give then the gold names.
rep is received for doing something for the community, not helping the admins pay.
no offense admins.

[ICEE]

by that logic, you'd have to take away the ability to rep for making luls. I think rep should be based on reputation, and part of that IS being funny or supporting the site. But I think on the other side of that, misbehaving should shit on your rep.

[FRain]

lol.
Ironically, this is a shitpost in a thread about not shitposting. Good job.

[rossmum]

bring back GBX!
i think the +rep for donations should be gone... but give then the gold names.
rep is received for doing something for the community, not helping the admins pay.
no offense admins.
um

how is helping to keep the site up not doing something for the community, really do tell us please this has me dumbfounded

On a more serious note (you can tell because I'm using punctuation now, this means I'm serious), the odd birthday/fuckaround thread is fine. What's really shitting up this site is when some moron fresh out of 4chan or someone who thinks they're a riot but should know otherwise by now goes and shits all over a proper thread with old memes or really horrible attempts at jokes. This also extends to the ones who come in and start abusing emotes (you know who you are, CN is the only one who can make a legit emot-only post around here) which have nothing to do with the subject.

At least in a shit thread, the shittiness is generally contained. Getting rid of them entirely will only worsen the other threads, because these morons will want to try be funny somewhere else.

e/


Ironically, this is a shitpost in a thread about not shitposting. Good job.
yo how's that glass house working out for you

[FRain]

yo how's that glass house working out for you

Working out quite well, thanks.

[Timo]

But it's not the odd birthday thread, there's one every day or three.

e: Well it's more that once one slowly dies off there's another one to replace it within a day or two.

[SnaFuBAR]

This thread should be added to the OP's list.

[Jean-Luc]

But it's not the odd birthday thread, there's one every day or three.

I fail to see the problem with having a thread to wish someone a happy birthday, regardless of how often it happens. It's not like someone can help what day their birthday is on.

[rossmum]

A single thread for the day would be better than six different ones, but none at all won't help anyone.

[Timo]

If you feel the urge to congratulate someone for getting older, why not just give them a visitor message and a +rep, wouldn't that be equivalent? (except for the face that you wouldn't get a +1)

[Jean-Luc]

If you feel the urge to congratulate someone for getting older, why not just give them a visitor message and a +rep, wouldn't that be equivalent? (except for the face that you wouldn't get a +1)

While that is nice, not everyone looks down at the far bottom to see whose birthday it is. I often find out about a birthday after a thread has been created, thus allowing me to say happy birthday to that person. If it wasn't for the thread, I might not even know.

Also, I highly doubt anyone says happy birthday just to get a +1 postcount. It's just common courtesy (imo)

[rossmum]

If you feel the urge to congratulate someone for getting older, why not just give them a visitor message and a +rep, wouldn't that be equivalent? (except for the face that you wouldn't get a +1)
Does anybody on this site worth the database room their account occupies actually care about their postcount anymore?

[Masterz1337]

Fine with me.

i dont think the forums are THAT bad atm snowy i think your just getting a bit melodramatic.
where all having fun aint we? (to an extent)

like i said earlier you need something to encourage people to move to the new engines and try out source and UT3.
whether it's a competition or some prizes to get people trying out this stuff.

If you play your cards right and sell modacity to some hardware suppliers as a buisness you can use marketing to get some products for free to give out as prizes.
It's happened at other forums i've gone too.
It depends what you're here for. The site is alright as a hangout spot imo, but as far as being a constructive modding site, it's pretty pathetic. You go look at any other modding site or community, they don't act anything like you guys do here.

[Masterz1337]

I thought Epic Games already did a UT3 mod competition with prizes and shit.

But maybe we should ask Bungie for Recon for us to give away in some useless competition. Then thousands of useless members join. We give this new traffic information to an advertising agency to increase how much they would pay us to put an ad on our site, lock in a good ad rate, we put an ad back up in the top right corner (I mean will that really hurt anyone?), we ban the members who joined just for Recon (only if they get really annoying that is, which most of them will), then we use the extra money to buy more servers to host servers in games that are mod-friendly. Then those players will join Modacity, learn how to mod for their favorite games, then become productive members. We will then have a thriving community.

My next step after that involves hacking the Pentagon, but that's for a later time.
The thing is, this site hardly has a modding community. There's plenty of artists but if you compare people's posts when actually dealing about the game, most people don't know what they are talking about or just bandwagon on a side without understanding. Or in some cases they just choose a side so they don't get-repped, and if you don't think that happens you should see some of the conversations I had with people after the whole OS thing. The majority of modders and people now communicate through AIM or Xfire, after all, when they post 90% of the meaning responses are from senior members, so they just go directly to them.

[Snowy]

This thread should be added to the OP's list.
No kidding.

Here's the problem with modacity - Everybody seemingly makes some really crappy posts, all the time. Sometimes they're funny, but most of the time they're just plain stupid. How often have you seen a post that just contains this smiley ":v:" or ":haw:". Now while this may be just "fun and games", what happens when new members join the board? They see this kind of posting behavior, and, as it is human nature, they post the same kind of crap to try and fit in. It becomes a never-ending cycle. At least until, those who run the board decide to do something about it.

[Masterz1337]

I don't know why you think Modacity needs a purpose. I know plenty of forums which have tons of active posters who just go there for banter.

Rep is dumb, yes, but Blind would fix that.

MOD acity. It's a place for modding communities (although mostly halo). If there wasn't this site, the only active community would be Halomaps, and we all know what people here think of that place, even though I (and the majority of my team actually) prefer it rather than here.

[Jean-Luc]

If there wasn't this site, the only active community would be Halomaps, and we all know what people here think of that place, even though I (and the majority of my team actually) prefer it rather than here.
Will you STOP bringing up how you and your team prefer Halomaps over Modacity? You do it every chance you get.

[Masterz1337]

Uhhh lol. You serious? This is a community with membership based from the amazingly well designed game known as HALO CUSTOM EDITION.
You want it be serious? I come here for laughs, I legitimately hate few people here (you know who you are :embarrassed:) and I love it. Like that thread I made was actually legit and I wanted to vent, the other threads were just an idiot being drunk, trying to follow some Timo trend and Atty being a sex kitten. Seriously lighten up brother. Stop being so serious :)

Legit. I would acutally moderate these forums with efficiency but you guys won't give me a chance :(

ok cutie ;)

Maybe you and the other people who donate money to the site should open up your own forum. Or best yet, get your own community section like some of the mod teams use to have, although like before the shit would likely spill over. There's plenty of time for jokes, and I do find some things posted here funny, but no one likes people using their classroom as a playground.

[SnaFuBAR]

Or maybe you could? Maybe if you don't like it, stick to the CE section and Halomaps.

Oh God I hate ____'s threads so let me open them so I can bitch some more!

[mech]

Guys birthday threads are important, how else will I congratulate Innergoat on aging at least 10 times a year?

[Masterz1337]

You...you mean I can choose what I want to read? What the fuck sir!
Woot for sarcasm
I'm sure other people get annoyed trying to shift through bullshit topics.
I wouldn't be surprised if some new members who come to the site get turned off when they see that their questions they post are be ignored or mocked, while the moderators and majority of members are having to much fun feeding a "funny" thread viagra

[Masterz1337]

You know what you could do to improve the site? Cut the bullshit, and expand user interaction to the main site itself; make a site where modders would come to show their work rather than a place where the 'new kids' post shitty recolours. Give an outlet other than forum posts to the modders. Do this, and the forums will improve. Limit the forums to discussion only.

That's just what I think, though.

oh and demod attisuc
I don't even like you, but I agree with this post 100%

Edit: for those who think this is a "troll post", I'm just showing that this isn't me on a vendetta against people I don't like. I really could care less about who makes a post, all I care about is what they have to say.

[rossmum]

Will you STOP bringing up how you and your team prefer Halomaps over Modacity? You do it every chance you get.
he needs something to lord over us like he's any better, of course he won't

[Jean-Luc]

@Masterz.

It's the Off-Topic thread for a reason. People go there when they're either not looking to be serious, or are looking to be serious, but wish to have discussion on something not related to modding. Just because they're more active than the Halo modding forums does not mean that the forum as a whole is not serious. It just means that less people here actually mod.

[Masterz1337]

What would happen if the Off-Topic forum was taken down/locked for 1 month? :rolleyes:

We'd lose the majority of bullshitters.

[Snowy]

@Masterz.

It's the Off-Topic thread for a reason. People go there when they're either not looking to be serious, or are looking to be serious, but wish to have discussion on something not related to modding. Just because they're more active than the Halo modding forums does not mean that the forum as a whole is not serious. It just means that less people here actually mod.
It's not just the off-topic forum. It STARTS in the off topic forum, and oozes out everywhere else.

[Jean-Luc]

We'd lose the majority of bullshitters.

You'd also lose a lot of good members who come here to have a good time. There's a reason we separate the non-serious sections from the serious sections. It's obvious you're very serious about modding, and that's fine, good for you. Not everyone here is that way, nor should they have to bend to what YOU think this site should be for. Forums are, quite simply, a community, and every community needs a place to let off steam or goof around.

[SnaFuBAR]

It's not just the off-topic forum. It STARTS in the off topic forum, and oozes out everywhere else.

not really, no

[Masterz1337]

More people like coming here for drama. Mods aren't as active as they used to be. So, you can kill the semi-legitimate activity that's here, but you will be left with practically nothing.

I think people turn to the off topic section when there is nobody posting anything spectacular or often in the Halo: CE section or Art Studio, and I could be wrong (could be that most people come here trying to find some kind of meme themed party).

If you don't like the forums, you don't have to be here. (Figuratively) Vote with your feet and go. On a side note, can we just have one "I hate what this forum has become" thread; that way people can vent, and it won't spawn these threads which accomplish next to nothing.
This. Doesn't help when mods help instigate the problems too, and then ignore other level headed moderators (looking at you here Jcap and Atty, this kinda goes for Snaf too, but he's been actually progressing lately. So +rep for him.)

[Masterz1337]

by that logic, you'd have to take away the ability to rep for making luls. I think rep should be based on reputation, and part of that IS being funny or supporting the site. But I think on the other side of that, misbehaving should shit on your rep.

What we really need is a "Thanks" system like on Modmyi, or just getting rid of -rep. There isn't really a reason for -rep. Sure it can be used to let people know who is a bad egg, but at the same time it's used also for insults and it makes it that much harder for someone to "redeem" themselves when everyone looks at them with a red box branded under their name.

[rossmum]

This. Doesn't help when mods help instigate the problems too, and then ignore other level headed moderators (looking at you here Jcap and Atty, this kinda goes for Snaf too, but he's been actually progressing lately. So +rep for him.)
mmm or when other people who should know better come back to the forums with the sole intention of instigating trouble on some kind of misguided crusade!

ps nobody's forcing you to keep coming to this site

[Jean-Luc]

The way I see it, Modacity is definitely focused less on modding, so for all intensive purposes, the name may be a little misleading at this point. However, I consider this website to be a place to enjoy the company of others with a general common interest, whether that interest be found in the off topic, tech, art, or modding sections of this forum.

Now when it comes to modding, specifically Halo CE, I quote Snaf.

it's about a dying community for a decade old game (almost) where everyone has moved on from it's horrible creation pipleline on to new things or quit modding all together

[Masterz1337]

um

how is helping to keep the site up not doing something for the community, really do tell us please this has me dumbfounded

On a more serious note (you can tell because I'm using punctuation now, this means I'm serious), the odd birthday/fuckaround thread is fine. What's really shitting up this site is when some moron fresh out of 4chan or someone who thinks they're a riot but should know otherwise by now goes and shits all over a proper thread with old memes or really horrible attempts at jokes. This also extends to the ones who come in and start abusing emotes (you know who you are, CN is the only one who can make a legit emot-only post around here) which have nothing to do with the subject.

At least in a shit thread, the shittiness is generally contained. Getting rid of them entirely will only worsen the other threads, because these morons will want to try be funny somewhere else.

e/


yo how's that glass house working out for you
But then if they shit up other threads they can be dealt with and forced to shape up or be banned. Nothing really wrong with letting things get worse before they get better, as long as they'll be progress.

Also, what you said to rain, not cool. You could easily have left him a visitor or rep comment. The only reason why I'm not doing that to you right now is because I hope other people will read this and try to do that in the future.

[Snowy]

not really, no
Just take a look at a thread where a new member either
A) Posts a seemingly stupid question (usually in the tech help forum)
B) Posts some art that isn't quite up to "modacity standards"
C) Posts when their first language isn't English.

They're either
A) Ridiculed
B) Mocked
C) Laughed at

Essentially, they're all the same thing, but none of them should happen.

I'd be willing to bet that the 85% of members visit the Off Topic forum first, and spend the majority of their time in that forum. One bad apple ruins the bunch, and I think the Off Topic forum is that bad apple.

[blind]

(you know who you are, CN is the only one who can make a legit emot-only post around here)
12345.

Maybe you and the other people who donate money to the site should open up your own forum. Or best yet, get your own community section like some of the mod teams use to have, although like before the shit would likely spill over. There's plenty of time for jokes, and I do find some things posted here funny, but no one likes people using their classroom as a playground.
I seldom post outside of Off topic, only occasionally the CE section because its jokes. I leave the rest of the forum to the people who actually know how to mod and shit like that. I mean seriously, ALL of those threads he listed were in OT. I don't look at the rest of the sections but I can tell by the last post's thread title that they are super serious. lmao, like honestly. Are you serious. I'm tempted to look through the other sections trying to find a troll thread. OT doesn't matter what the fuck people post, and it really shouldn't be actively moderated unless some retarded kid can't take a joke.

[rossmum]

But then if they shit up other threads they can be dealt with and forced to shape up or be banned. Nothing really wrong with letting things get worse before they get better, as long as they'll be progress.
It ain't broke; don't fix it. Shitty threads are easily ignored and not a problem in moderation. Shitposting in legit threads will require a lot of work from the staff and to be honest I'm not so sure they'd be able to stem the tide.


Also, what you said to rain, not cool. You could easily have left him a visitor or rep comment. The only reason why I'm not doing that to you right now is because I hope other people will read this and try to do that in the future.
It may not have been cool but it was entirely true. The irony of calling out a shitpost with another shitpost should be lost on nobody.

I have to give you some credit for not getting on your soapbox, though.

[Jean-Luc]

I'd be willing to bet that the 85% of members visit the Off Topic forum first, and spend the majority of their time in that forum. One bad apple ruins the bunch, and I think the Off Topic forum is that bad apple.
You get rid of the Off Topic forum, and this website will die within a couple weeks. I'll say it again. Despite the title of this forum being Modacity, it's fairly obvious that people just are not that interested in modding, especially when the game in question is as old as it is.

[Masterz1337]

This thread should be added to the OP's list.

Should have knocked on wood earlier :(. These types of comments are ones moderators should be trying to contain. There's no need for anyone to make a comment like this unless your just trying to be mean or hurtfull.

[SnaFuBAR]

:snafubar:

[Atty]

The first thread should be locked,
The second thread was closed as soon as it was open,
The third thread was only open for an hour an a half,
Atty is stupid and birthday threads suck.

Solution: Ban blind, atty and birthday threads.Timo! :( I thought we were cool mayne.


And add a drunk algorithm so people like me don't get wasted and find that modacity is there homepage.Actually, I manage to navigate myself here when I'm drunk. It isn't my homepage.


I say demod Atty since his threads were spam and crap and mod blind since his thread was spam and hilarious. See? You subtract the crap and add hilarity.When did Champ unban himself? Anyways, terrible idea.


This. Doesn't help when mods help instigate the problems too, and then ignore other level headed moderators (looking at you here Jcap and Atty, this kinda goes for Snaf too, but he's been actually progressing lately. So +rep for him.)What are you trying to say? That I ignore the other moderators and administrators?


Really, this site is a place to chill out right now. We have our fun. If TheGhost wants that to change, he simply has to ask us. It's his site and money here so his decisions are what matter. Personally, I'd like to see some real work being done on this site vs some low level mods that no one outside of our group of friends will see. We need plublicity to get the site going and some fresh ideas.

[flibitijibibo]

I think the people here are interested in modding, but just don't have the time like we used to. If you pay close attention, you'll see that a good amount of the renowned contributors to our feeder sites like GBX and HaloMaps are now in college, or even out of college. So, the way I see it, we're all the same modder-folk from many-a year ago, we're all just... old now.

Edit 2- Two really good examples of this: The Swamp Fox and Iron_Forge.

A bit more collaboration might get more material through, too. Like I said, people just don't have time to single-handedly make maps like they used to. My guess is, more map/mod teams will definitely mean more maps and mods.

Edit- Also Atty's last paragraph

[SnaFuBAR]

Masters, this thread DOES suck. It's fucking horrible.

Oh no someone did something fucking dumb and posted drunk threads, oh noes! He even received infractions! Look at how bad modacity.net is!

Oh, Oh God no! Not people being cordial and wishing each other well on their birthdays! How significantly unruly these types of threads are! My lord!

Seriously, what the fuck. This thread is shit.

[rossmum]

Bad place for a callout I know, but this is really one of the posts I was talking about earlier


And add a drunk algorithm so people like me don't get wasted and find that modacity is there homepage.

Please, for the love of God and all that is holy or (if you're atheist) the love of science and all that is scientific, shut the hell up about it. We give no fuck that you were drunk. I'm sure most of us have been at some point and even I've made drunk posts before, the difference being that I was still trying to post intelligently even if my typing skills were somewhat hampered. Being drunk is not something to brag about and if you do end up making a stupid thread, it'll be locked and forgotten about. Stop trying to bloody remind us like you're so desperate to sound cool.

[Masterz1337]

Will you STOP bringing up how you and your team prefer Halomaps over Modacity? You do it every chance you get.

I do it because my team has some of the most talented people on this forum, yet they are turned off by the behavior here. If the shape and behavior of these forums is turning people on my team away, who are the type of people that this forum needs, then you should be concerned. If you're turning people like Dano, Lag, Conscars, and Arteen away from the community, then that is a problem. I'm not saying that those listed are the people who are fed up with the forum, but there are other people who work with us that are just as talented in their fields as the former are in theirs.

[Masterz1337]

Or maybe you could? Maybe if you don't like it, stick to the CE section and Halomaps.

Oh God I hate ____'s threads so let me open them so I can bitch some more!

So the modders who come to modacity should just stick to a single forum so others can have joke threads? Kinda defeats the purpose of hosting a site for modding.

[Jean-Luc]

I do it because my team has some of the most talented people on this forum, yet they are turned off by the behavior here. If the shape and behavior of these forums is turning people on my team away, who are the type of people that this forum needs, then you should be concerned. If you're turning people like Dano, Lag, Conscars, and Arteen away from the community, then that is a problem. I'm not saying that those listed are the people who are fed up with the forum, but there are other people who work with us that are just as talented in their fields as the former are in theirs.

Because you're so much better than us right? That's exactly how you sound.

E:
So the modders who come to modacity should just stick to a single forum so others can have joke threads? Kinda defeats the purpose of hosting a site for modding.

Uh...so people who come here for entertainment AND modding/art shouldn't have a thread so you guys can be all serious all the time? Goes both ways sir.

[Terin]

Modacity has really gone downhill, in my eyes. It's why I don't post here much anymore.

[MetKiller Joe]

Is there any plug-in that would allow a user to not render the Off Topic section for vBulletin? I've toyed with the idea of creating a javascript for it, but I'm not fluent in javascript. It would have the same effect as creating another website for the more serious members.

[rossmum]

I do it because my team has some of the most talented people on this forum, yet they are turned off by the behavior here. If the shape and behavior of these forums is turning people on my team away, who are the type of people that this forum needs, then you should be concerned. If you're turning people like Dano, Lag, Conscars, and Arteen away from the community, then that is a problem. I'm not saying that those listed are the people who are fed up with the forum, but there are other people who work with us that are just as talented in their fields as the former are in theirs.

Dane is turning us away from him by constantly carrying on with his Alex Jones bullcrap. He has nobody to blame for that but himself. I can't speak for Lag, Con, or Arteen but the former two are still very active posters here, so I don't see the issue there.

The fact of the matter is that this site is past its prime, much like CE. A few of us have big projects going (or in my case, on hold thanks to that annoying real life thingo), but for the most part this is more a modders' lounge than a modders' workshop. That's not necessarily a bad thing as long as we don't entirely lose sight of that this place started from, and I don't think we have.

[SnaFuBAR]

So the modders who come to modacity should just stick to a single forum so others can have joke threads? Kinda defeats the purpose of hosting a site for modding.
I was trying to sound as petty and asinine as you. hint hint.

[Snowy]

I think the people here are interested in modding, but just don't have the time like we used to. If you pay close attention, you'll see that a good amount of the renowned contributors to our feeder sites like GBX and HaloMaps are now in college, or even out of college. So, the way I see it, we're all the same modder-folk from many-a year ago, we're all just... old now.



While that may be true, the modacity administration is doing absolutely nothing to get a "younger" crowd into the site. And when they finally do get more active community members in the site, they craptacular posting isn't exactly going to want to make them stay.



12345.
I mean seriously, ALL of those threads he listed were in OT. I don't look at the rest of the sections but I can tell by the last post's thread title that they are super serious. lmao, like honestly. Are you serious. I'm tempted to look through the other sections trying to find a troll thread. OT doesn't matter what the fuck people post, and it really shouldn't be actively moderated unless some retarded kid can't take a joke.
You won't have to look far :) (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15865)

[Jean-Luc]

While that may be true, the modacity administration is doing absolutely nothing to get a "younger" crowd into the site. And when they finally do get more active community members in the site, they craptacular posting isn't exactly going to want to make them stay.

The younger crowd doesn't mod Halo CE so far as I can tell. The game is 5 fucking years old, and the younger crowd has moved on to more recent, and more moddable games.

[SnaFuBAR]

Come the fuck on, Snowy, the "younger crowd" is the crowd making the 4chan /b/tard bullshit posts.

That and stupid drunk adolescents who wanna sound cool cuz they got drunk and keep bringing up the fact that they consumed alcohol :ohdear:

[rossmum]

Who was the latest member we had who proved to be capable as either a modder or an artist? I'm genuinely curious.

[Snowy]

The younger crowd doesn't mod Halo CE so far as I can tell. The game is 5 fucking years old, and the younger crowd has moved on to more recent, and more moddable games.
The site's name isn't halo 2 vista anymore. As far as I'm aware, the site was changed to bring in more members, and expand beyond just halo and halo 2. So far, all they've done is changed the domain name.

[flibitijibibo]

Who was the latest member we had who proved to be capable as either a modder or an artist? I'm genuinely curious.Check the Member List by join date.

[blind]

but for the most part this is more a modders' lounge than a modders' workshop
hey guys

[SnaFuBAR]

Snowy do you realize the irony of your own thread?

[Masterz1337]

You'd also lose a lot of good members who come here to have a good time. There's a reason we separate the non-serious sections from the serious sections. It's obvious you're very serious about modding, and that's fine, good for you. Not everyone here is that way, nor should they have to bend to what YOU think this site should be for. Forums are, quite simply, a community, and every community needs a place to let off steam or goof around.

If someone is here to have a good time and use the forum as their sandbox, then I don't think that person is a good member, worth keeping. It's not what I think the site is for, like I've said multiple times, it's called MODACITY for a reason. You have plenty of places to go and good off. You have user notes and private forums. Take a look at GBX's off topic forum,
http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18

Community's don't need an off topic forum to be good. You think halomaps would be better with an offtopic forum like the behavior in this one? Mod myi has a wonderful community, and they don't need an OT section. And when someone does make a joke or pokes fun at something, people know when to stop. If you want to check out their forums, the link is http://modmyi.com/forums/ .

[rossmum]

If someone is here to have a good time and use the forum as their sandbox, then I don't think that person is a good member, worth keeping.
If you're going to have that mentality, you may as well ban most of the members here. It'll kill the site, but you'll only have 100% dedicated modders.

[Atty]

If someone is here to have a good time and use the forum as their sandbox, then I don't think that person is a good member, worth keeping. I've only been in this community for the last 5 years for hanging out and having a good time.

[Jean-Luc]

If someone is here to have a good time and use the forum as their sandbox, then I don't think that person is a good member, worth keeping.Oh, so 75% or more of this website's population is not worth keeping because they don't mod games? Get real. It's not what I think the site is for, like I've said multiple times, it's called MODACITY for a reason. You have plenty of places to go and good off. You have user notes and private forums. Take a look at GBX's off topic forum,
http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18
Hey, looks almost exactly like ours. What's the problem here, we can't do it too?

Community's don't need an off topic forum to be good. You think halomaps would be better with an offtopic forum like the behavior in this one? Mod myi has a wonderful community, and they don't need an OT section. And when someone does make a joke or pokes fun at something, people know when to stop. If you want to check out their forums, the link is http://modmyi.com/forums/ . Fuck off about comparing Modacity to other websites. It is what it is. If you want serious modding discussion, as you've proven, then go THERE. I see no reason for you to try to force Modacity to change to fit your needs, since that seems to be your intent.

.

[rossmum]

Exactly, Atty. A lot of the founding members and ones who came over from GBX were (or still are) Halo players, not Halo modders.

[mech]

http://modmyi.com/forums/ is a mac product discussion board, doesn't make sense to compare that website to this one.

[Masterz1337]

Because you're so much better than us right? That's exactly how you sound.

E:

Uh...so people who come here for entertainment AND modding/art shouldn't have a thread so you guys can be all serious all the time? Goes both ways sir.

I know how I sound, but are you telling me you don't wish you had the skills of Lag, Dano, Kirby, Conscars, Arteen, Scooby, or Lodex? I do think that there are members of my team, who are some of the best of the Halo community. If you disagree, well, that's your opinion. We don't wow people and get so much attention because our members are average.

I don't have a problem really with people that come here for entertainment, but it has gone to far and is out of control. This is supposed to be first and foremost, a modding community. If the jokes and lolz are becoming the attraction, then there is a problem.

[mech]

I know how I sound, but are you telling me you don't wish you had the skills of Lag, Dano, Kirby, Conscars, Arteen, Scooby, or Lodex? I do think that there are members of my team, who are some of the best of the Halo community. If you disagree, well, that's your opinion. We don't wow people and get so much attention because our members are average.

I don't understand what you're getting at here.

[blind]

If someone is here to have a good time and use the forum as their sandbox, then I don't think that person is a good member, worth keeping. It's not what I think the site is for, like I've said multiple times, it's called MODACITY for a reason. You have plenty of places to go and good off. You have user notes and private forums. Take a look at GBX's off topic forum,
http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18


You did NOT just compare Modacity and GBX lmfao.

[SnaFuBAR]

lmao, masters, Jean is a skilled artist in his own right. gg hth

[Jean-Luc]

I don't understand what you're getting at here.
He's bragging about his team's skill once again, like he loves to do. And Masterz, if you haven't noticed, I'm an artist as well, and a capable one at that.

[blind]

I don't have a problem really with people that come here for entertainment, but it has gone to far and is out of control. This is supposed to be first and foremost, a modding community. If the jokes and lolz are becoming the attraction, then there is a problem.
you do realize you're modding halo custom edition, right?

[Masterz1337]

12345.

I seldom post outside of Off topic, only occasionally the CE section because its jokes. I leave the rest of the forum to the people who actually know how to mod and shit like that. I mean seriously, ALL of those threads he listed were in OT. I don't look at the rest of the sections but I can tell by the last post's thread title that they are super serious. lmao, like honestly. Are you serious. I'm tempted to look through the other sections trying to find a troll thread. OT doesn't matter what the fuck people post, and it really shouldn't be actively moderated unless some retarded kid can't take a joke.

Props to you then for keeping your jokes to where they belong. I don't really think your argument holds much water about the other sections, since they have just as much activity as Halo CE on GBX.

[Masterz1337]

It ain't broke; don't fix it. Shitty threads are easily ignored and not a problem in moderation. Shitposting in legit threads will require a lot of work from the staff and to be honest I'm not so sure they'd be able to stem the tide.


It may not have been cool but it was entirely true. The irony of calling out a shitpost with another shitpost should be lost on nobody.

I have to give you some credit for not getting on your soapbox, though.
It don't think it matters if it's true or not. You shouldn't be going around making other people feel like shit, even if you are right. You don't see people like Muki or Polar doing that, there's no reason for anyone else to.

I also disagree that ignoring shittythreads. If you let them be then they're just going to grow and be a haven for more problems.

[Masterz1337]

Come the fuck on, Snowy, the "younger crowd" is the crowd making the 4chan /b/tard bullshit posts.

That and stupid drunk adolescents who wanna sound cool cuz they got drunk and keep bringing up the fact that they consumed alcohol :ohdear:

People shunning the younger crowd and pushing them away is what has hurt the community the most IMO. There's a whole generation of people that ended up having to start in the dark ages on halomaps.

Agreed 100% about the drunk posters though.(sorry inferno).

[Masterz1337]

http://modmyi.com/forums/ is a mac product discussion board, doesn't make sense to compare that website to this one.

MOD My I? It's a community for modding iPhones and iPod's.

[Huero]

It don't think it matters if it's true or not. You shouldn't be going around making other people feel like shit, even if you are right. You don't see people like Muki or Polar doing that, there's no reason for anyone else to.

I also disagree that ignoring shittythreads. If you let them be then they're just going to grow and be a haven for more problems.

If a shittythread grows to be a problem it should be removed; however, just to make a point, i'd like to say that none of the examples in the first post became a problem and shouldn't have been locked. That was just people letting out a little bit of steam and enjoying themselves.

[Masterz1337]

Oh, so 75% or more of this website's population is not worth keeping because they don't mod games? Get real.Oh, so 75% or more of this website's population is not worth keeping because they don't mod games? Get real.

I never said that they had to be modders. It's a modding site. The discussion should be focused around modding and the game. Not lolz.

[Masterz1337]

I don't understand what you're getting at here.

My point is if the forum is turning away more and more people, including respected members, then there is a problem.

[Masterz1337]

He's bragging about his team's skill once again, like he loves to do. And Masterz, if you haven't noticed, I'm an artist as well, and a capable one at that.

I've known you since 2004, of course I know you're an artist. I don't have a problem with you or think you should leave, I just don't agree with your opinions.

Edit: As far as "bragging" about our popularity and skills, is this is the same team that people here wanted to use to push OS and "save 1.08." Actually don't answer that, or at least save it till this thread is done with.

[Corndogman]

The problem is that everyone is at each others throats all the time, and they hold stupid grudges. There's a good percentage of the same people here, who seem to be always arguing about something, or finding something to argue about.

Take this thread for example, your all just yelling at each other about why the other person sucks, and not actually trying to find ways of improvement. The few posts that are have gone ignored.

I don't usually like to get involved in arguments, but some time I feel I should. Reason being is that I feel I'm one of the most unbiased people here. I'm not an oldfag, so its not like im always going to take sides with other oldfag buddies. Call me a middlefag, since ive been here long enough to know whats going on. I just like to sit back and examine how you all function.

thats all for now...

[mech]

Why would you call yourself a fag at all :confused2:

[blind]

but for the most part this is more a modders' lounge than a modders' workshop
repostin this.
but yeah, I've known most of you since 04/05. I talk to them on xfire, irc, msn. Shit like that. I also talk to them here, discuss sweet topics in a group environment. I loveeee posting, pretty sure most people here hate me (:embarrassed:), even though I'm just a fun lovin` guy who is here because he loves you all <3

[Masterz1337]

If a shittythread grows to be a problem it should be removed; however, just to make a point, i'd like to say that none of the examples in the first post became a problem and shouldn't have been locked. That was just people letting out a little bit of steam and enjoying themselves.

I don't disagree. The problem is when moderators let shit thread continue, for whatever reason (let it be because they don't like someone, or just aren't online or available).

The OP really doesn't have the best examples either, but I do agree these forums are constantly declining.

[rossmum]

It don't think it matters if it's true or not. You shouldn't be going around making other people feel like shit, even if you are right. You don't see people like Muki or Polar doing that, there's no reason for anyone else to.
Look again; p0lar isn't opposed to telling someone the harsh truth through mockery every once in a while. Most of the staff aren't, either. In any case that's for the mods to tell us. I feel absolutely no guilt for taking the piss out of people who act like idiots and expect to be mothered either for or despite it.


People shunning the younger crowd and pushing them away is what has hurt the community the most IMO. There's a whole generation of people that ended up having to start in the dark ages on halomaps.

Agreed 100% about the drunk posters though.(sorry inferno).
We don't shun people just for being new. Some members might but I sure as hell don't and I haven't seen Snaf do it. We shun new members who act like idiots and persist in acting like idiots, just as we shun old members who act like idiots and persist in doing so (Dole).

[L0d3x]

I can recall several occasions in which "high profile" members just give shit to people. They seem to be unable to give constructive criticism, even when asked explicitely to do so (you know who you are).

I love forum drama though.

[rossmum]

Funny, because I can recall several occasions in which they were provoked or the person getting shit had done something which is technically against the site's rules.

[L0d3x]

I'm not talking about our little incident. Though it was entertaining.

[SnaFuBAR]

haha, if that was a quip towards me, you couldn't be more wrong.

[L0d3x]

haha, if that was a quip towards me, you couldn't be more wrong.

Oh quite the contrary, I've got a great example of this, upon request I'll dig it up later.

In the meantime I'm stuck studying religion, and modacity is the only thing keeping me somewhat sane :(

[SnaFuBAR]

Haha, alright, I've got plenty of members on this site who can vouch for my ability to give proper crit on this site and beyond it. You're only trying to get a rise out of me. Have a nice day.

[L0d3x]

Haha, alright, I've got plenty of members on this site who can vouch for my ability to give proper crit on this site and beyond it. You're only trying to get a rise out of me. Have a nice day.

I've seen you give decent criticism before, I'm not denying that. But I have also seen occasions in which you simply say things suck, and offer no constructive criticism on the case.

Perhaps it depends on who it is, and what mood you're in.

[FRain]

One of them, ironically, includes me.

[SnaFuBAR]

Difference between posting critique and opinion, get your shit straight. If it's something I've repeated redundantly, I ain't gonna bother recapping it, either.

[L0d3x]

Difference between posting critique and opinion, get your shit straight. If it's something I've repeated redundantly, I ain't gonna bother recapping it, either.

Now now, calm down.

I said that, when told to only post constructive criticism, or not to post at all, you DID post your opinion and NOT critique.

Get YOUR shit straight son.

CAPS for emphasis.

[FRain]

There is no such thing as an "unbiased" piece of crit, because EVERYONE puts an opinion in criticism wether it be retaliatory (flaming) or constructive (helpful). If you didn't know that, gb2elementaryschool.

[L0d3x]

There is no such thing as an "unbiased" piece of crit, because EVERYONE puts an opinion in criticism wether it be retaliatory (flaming) or constructive (helpful). If you didn't know that, gb2elementaryschool.

I don't see what this has to do with the argument at hand. The point is, when people say post constructive crit or don't post at all, and people come in saying things suck without a decent argument as to why it sucks, then that's just plain nasty and somewhat sad.

[SnaFuBAR]

Do you think I must explicitly give CC instead of posting my opinion? Do you think anyone on this site, including Jcap and TheGhost, are going to make me inclined to give CC instead of posting my opinion? I've had it out with Jcap, Timo, and the like, and it always comes to this: I'm not required to do so.

[L0d3x]

Interesting, lets compare your initial reply:


haha, if that was a quip towards me, you couldn't be more wrong.

to your most recent reply:


Do you think I must explicitly give CC instead of posting my opinion? Do you think anyone on this site, including Jcap and TheGhost, are going to make me inclined to give CC instead of posting my opinion? I've had it out with Jcap, Timo, and the like, and it always comes to this: I'm not required to do so.

The argument was exactly about how you don't always give constructive criticism, even when it is explicitely requested in the topic. At first you claimed that I was wrong about this, now you basically just admit that I was correct, and are trying to justify it.

:embarrassed:

[SnaFuBAR]

Again, difference between being able to give CC, giving wrong or bad crit, and posting an opinion. I'm perfectly capable and have helped numerous people, despite the crooning of people like you and masters, I'm giving proper crit, when asked, and when not to.

Try to do more with your time than troll me, L0d3x.

[TheGhost]

Really, this site is a place to chill out right now. We have our fun. If TheGhost wants that to change, he simply has to ask us. It's his site and money here so his decisions are what matter. Personally, I'd like to see some real work being done on this site vs some low level mods that no one outside of our group of friends will see. We need plublicity to get the site going and some fresh ideas.

Look, I'm not going to lie. I'm out of the loop. I don't have the newest games or even a gaming PC anymore. I'm in college where I don't have enough time to sleep let alone have fun alone at my desk for hours on end.

I will try to continue to support this site as long as people are still interested in it. If anyone has fresh ideas, I implore you to take an active role. A lot of people have made suggestions, but many things as in life are easier said than done. If you actually have a game plan, and you are interested, you should come forward. This is how p0lar became an admin, and he did a superb job.

There's going to be the 2nd annual donation drive in about a month. If donations are as good as last year then it is still viable to support this site. We are running more expensive hardware after the site grew since last year, so it is more important now than ever. I would love to see some progress in the next month before then on improving the overall quality of this website.

With my limited time all I have to go by is the stats and occasional threads. The stats look promising. I mean, we're not improving, but we've been fairly consistent, which means that as old members leave, new ones are coming. Threads like this, however, paint a different picture.

http://www.adampapamarcos.com/images/stats_thru_5-23-09.jpg

What I love about these graphs is you can see distinct points in this site's and our community's past. The release of Halo 2 Vista, the DDoS attacks, etc.

[L0d3x]

Again, difference between being able to give CC, giving wrong or bad crit, and posting an opinion. I'm perfectly capable and have helped numerous people, despite the crooning of people like you and masters, I'm giving proper crit, when asked, and when not to.

Try to do more with your time than troll me, L0d3x.

All I was pointing out was that I recall you just posting an opinion, despite the OP only requesting CC or no post at all.

I don't see how your post really deals with this. But I'll let it go, though this is way more fun than learning religion :(

[TVTyrant]

Again, difference between being able to give CC, giving wrong or bad crit, and posting an opinion. I'm perfectly capable and have helped numerous people, despite the crooning of people like you and masters, I'm giving proper crit, when asked, and when not to.

Try to do more with your time than troll me, L0d3x.
But Troleing is fun!!!!!!!!!!

[SnaFuBAR]

All I was pointing out was that I recall you just posting an opinion, despite the OP only requesting CC or no post at all.

I don't see how your post really deals with this. But I'll let it go, though this is way more fun than learning religion :(
At the time, they didn't have the luxury as an OP requesting CC or no posting. Posting on a public forum nets public opinion. So what's your point?

[L0d3x]

It's a matter of mentality. You choose to respect an OP's wish, or you choose not to. That's what this entire thread is about, is it not?

[TheGhost]

Jesus Christ, would you please stop this argument?

[L0d3x]

Jesus Christ, would you please stop this argument?

Since you asked so nicely, oki doki.

[rossmum]

I'm not talking about our little incident. Though it was entertaining.
Nor was I. I was generalising a lot of previous ones between various members.

[Bodzilla]

Jesus Christ, would you please stop this argument?
See this is whats pissing me off, we had a great opportunity as a site to come together and offer new and fresh ideas to jumpstart the community.
And yas fucking blew it. All these stupid old grudges he said, she said mantra bullshit was more important then giving this site a new constructive idea.
as of now where over 100 replys in and we've had 2.

Mine and the guy below me who parroted my idea with some changes in the hopes of scamming rather then building a community.
the only one who replied was masters for christ sake.
We've achieved nothing in 100 replys except sate some fucking ego's.

Look could i please have some feedback or response on this idea:

like i said earlier you need something to encourage people to move to the new engines and try out source and UT3.
whether it's a competition or some prizes to get people trying out this stuff.

If you play your cards right and sell modacity to some hardware suppliers as a buisness you can use marketing to get some products for free to give out as prizes.
It's happened at other forums i've gone too.
We can all agree that we need modders to keep this community ticking over, there needs to be more purpose then just old friendships and rivalry's within the community or we will never progress as one.

The Prize system is a valid idea because i've seen it work FIRST HAND in other community's i've been involved with. such as another halo modding/ gaming community with a much, much smaller more isolated community.
We have the people and artists with an idea or a dream of modding sitting in this very community, but they're doing nothing because they dont have a reason to.
They could slave for days and make the best model, texture and render in the world and it would be quickly saved away on a folder to never be used.

why dont we harness these creative people by the form of a comp, get them interested in the new engines the community supports and get the ball rolling again.

It's not as hard as you think to get parts for promotion. the community i was in had a 4v4 halo comp and had logitech donate 4 full $600 speaker systems as prizes for the promotion.

it requires a bit of work, proactive thinking and energy but we can build a community out of it.
are you really interested or do you just say you are to agree with popular opinion.

[Rosco]

Nothing needs to change, lawl, stop being upset because some users use :haw: a lot, and stop bitching that people aren't doing forums right ( :downs: )

If there was any real problem ghost woulda sorted it out after like 3 years.. :|

[Sel]

Oh boy,

DID

NOT

FOReSEE

THIS

THREAD

RESULT

oh boy masterz and snaf at it again! :downs:

also the fuck happened to my avatar

fix it

[TheGhost]

It's not as hard as you think to get parts for promotion. the community i was in had a 4v4 halo comp and had logitech donate 4 full $600 speaker systems as prizes for the promotion.

If someone with real business experience wanted to join the staff as a PR rep, I would love that. I mean real business experiences, so you actually know how to get in contact with the right department and exchange e-mails and phone calls.

[flibitijibibo]

Can I apply for that job? I can PM you some of my experience history if you'd like...

Communication is another thing that has led to some holes, and since I can't find a summer job, I can pretty much always be here to keep things tied together.

[Jean-Luc]

We've achieved nothing in 100 replys except sate some fucking ego's. Myself included, shame on me : (

why dont we harness these creative people by the form of a comp, get them interested in the new engines the community supports and get the ball rolling again. A valid idea, it would mean that the community would have to start working together, rather than everyone going off and doing their own thing, as I've noticed in my short time here.

it requires a bit of work, proactive thinking and energy but we can build a community out of it.
are you really interested or do you just say you are to agree with popular opinion. It's a good idea, we just need to come to an acceptable compromise for the future of this forum.

It's a good point you brought up about the lack of motivation. When looking at the subforums, Off-Topic occupies approximately 40-45% of all posts on this forum, and when compared to the two most prominent subforums for art (Halo CE & The Studio), Off-Topic has 39,573 more posts than those two combined. While I enjoy the Off-Topic a great deal, this definitely seems out of balance.

So, getting onto the lack of motivation, I do see the problem here. There are many, many talented artists who have the full capability to produce incredible pieces of art, but it just never happens. In and of itself, this makes sense. I've seen this many times in The Studio; a piece by either a new guy or even a veteran member where the artwork has a good base, but mediocre-poor execution. Instead of giving tips to improve, more often then not, I see just assault after assault launched against the artist, telling them how pathetic their attempt was, and most of us are guilty of this, so I'm not singling anyone out.

A "competition" is a decent idea, but I'm worried that it would cause a more divisive atmosphere, rather than a community working together. I've seen firsthand when it comes to competitions for prizes that most people will tell everyone else to fuck off, and they become selfish. However, the idea that we could all, either as a whole or as an individual, find something to work towards has some merit.

Here's what I think would be a decent start. First off, people simply need something to work towards, because as of right now, the artwork is just stagnant. Sure, you'll get some praise, but it doesn't necessarily lead to a feeling of accomplishment. The emblem idea has been tossed around on this website before, yet has never been implemented. I've seen it work to great effect on Halomods, which is where I got my start. When you get one, you feel like you've accomplished something great. It might be an idea worth contemplating.

As for competitions, I see no issue with having them, we just need to figure out a couple different types. Having competitions where individuals compete is fine, but it divides the members. What might work is to have one contest for individuals, and another for small teams.


EDIT: Actually, looking at the forum structure itself, it might benefit the community if we change the forums and subforums around a bit. For example, you'll notice that all the off-topic forums are at the top of the page, which automatically means it will be the first thing to be looked at. When you look at other forums, you'll notice all off-topic threads are at the bottom, in order to let the productive forums remain at the top where they belong. Secondly, I don't feel The Studio is organized particularly well, and calling it "Off-topic for Artists" does not imply a productive atmosphere. What might work is to have The Studio be a category in and of itself, with sub-forums for CGI, photoshop, WIP, galleries, etc. Not only would that serve a more organizational purpose, but it would feel more professional.

Just some thoughts.
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[MetKiller Joe]

So, getting onto the lack of motivation, I do see the problem here. There are many, many talented artists who have the full capability to produce incredible pieces of art, but it just never happens.

It is a lot more fun to make the model than it is to texture it, correct it, and make it playable. This decreases the statistical probability of many of these projects being updated continuously. One can't force these projects to continue, and if the incentive isn't there, then they won't continue.

During these phases, from experience, there isn't much to update on. All this, combined with the lower quantity of maps/mods being produced, makes it seem like there is little to no activity compared to the Off Topic sections.

[Jean-Luc]

It is a lot more fun to make the model than it is to texture it, correct it, and make it playable. This decreases the statistical probability of many of these projects being updated continuously. One can't force these projects to continue, and if the incentive isn't there, then they won't continue.

I understand where you're coming from, however that's an individual mentality. When it comes to project teams, whether that be for modding a video game or creating a full-length CGI film, there are different positions based on what people want to do. For example, you may enjoy modelling more than texturing, but some people prefer texturing, or animation, or whatever. So saying that "It is a lot more fun to make the model than it is to texture it, correct it, and make it playable." is simply one person's opinion.

Also, in my opinion, Halo CE needs to stop being considered at the #1 moddable game. It's five years old, it's completely outdated, and there are a whole lot of others out there, not the least of which, Unreal Tournament 3 and Source.

[L0d3x]

Hmm, well if you guys want something to all work towards, why not start a large community project?

This community has great artists, this community has people with a good feeling for gameplay, this community has people with great tagging capabilities, this community has people with great scripting cabapilities.

My suggestion is to make a large topic, preferably created by someone who everyone knows and respects, and brainstorm ideas for, say, an epic single player mission. Once say, a mission layout is all planned, the artists can start working on the bsps, and the taggers can work on the tagset.

Pros:
- The community will become much more united, assuming people are willing to participate in this. Constant participation isn't even required if everyone pitches in now and then.
- I cannot imagine the result of such a great effort. It would be amazing surely.
- It would be an inspiring and motivating endeavour.

Cons:
- The only real con here is that it may be hard to coordinate, that's why we'd need a decent well known and respected leader to start this.

Just a suggestion though, perhaps I live in a dreamworld.

[Jean-Luc]

I highly doubt a massive community undertaking is a good idea, as I've never, ever seen it work out anywhere. People often just don't have the time, nor do they get as much as an opportunity to express themselves, like they would as an individual or even in a small team.

Also, you and others keep going on about CE, and I'll keep saying it. Halo CE is outdated, and I know many people, myself included, don't give a flying fuck about that game. In my opinion, it's fully time to move on.

[Heathen]

Why a no birthday thread rule when my bday is coming up :[

I never got one.

[L0d3x]

Well as I said it was a beat of a dreamworldly idea. It still would be very impressive if a community could pull it off, but I agree its an impractical endeavour.

Halo CE, well, I just used it as an example. It just seems to be the most used engine here.

[Jean-Luc]

Halo CE, well, I just used it as an example. It just seems to be the most used engine here.

This is true, and I do have to remember that it's what the site was really here for (Well, that and H2V, but that's long gone). However, I still think there is a lot more potential in other engines, especially considering the limitations of the HCE engine.

[blind]

Anyone remember DOMINATOR's modeling contests? You guys should do that =D

[L0d3x]

This is true, and I do have to remember that it's what the site was really here for (Well, that and H2V, but that's long gone). However, I still think there is a lot more potential in other engines, especially considering the limitations of the HCE engine.

Not to mention user-friendliness. To a newcomer tool and all that takes a while to grasp completely.

I'm personally starting to look into the crysis engine though. But first I've got things for Halo to finish...

[Heathen]

CHRIST
You people bitch far too much.
Birthday threads and their kin are not the sign of the DOWNFALL OF MODACITY (oh no!)
Nay, rather they are attempts at having FUN on a FORUM (oh god no save us)
If people remove all topics that are like that, then the forums won't be fun anymore.
Spam topics en masse are bad, but a single spam topic every once in a while isn't; they're nice changes of pace, really. Not to mention really easy to ignore.

this

[Reaper Man]

Jesus fuck, if you dislike modacity so much, leave. All these things that you mention as "bad" are remnants of previous online communities many of the recurring members here have been a part of. We just keep them going, because they were fun and still are.

Also, internet jokes on the internet??! WHOEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING?!? DEAR GOD, ALERT THE PRESS.

Rep also makes no difference. The amount of rep you have doesn't affect the wa you post, it's not like you gain anything from it other than bars. Boo fucking hoo. Rep also means that one may keep one's shitposts off the general discussion boards.

All these things make modacity.. well, modacity and not some generic online forum. It's a community that's developed over the past 5 years or so, when most of us were regulars at the Gearbox forums.

Also, blind is legit.

[Chainsy]

Being a well known, long time respected member of this community, and a person who is on a close relationship with a person we all believe in and follow, our lord and savior jesus christ, I decline your application for hope and change, thank you. :holy:

[blind]

Also, blind is legit.
:)

[Reaper Man]

Being a well known, long time respected member of this community, and a person who is on a close relationship with a person we all believe in and follow, our lord and savior jesus christ, I decline your application for hope and change, thank you. :holy:
Yeah, uh, brace for shitstorm.


Like old times. :iamafag:

[RecycleBin]

I don't see what's so bad about this place. Sure, a lot of people here call me faggot and a bunch of other shit but I still find an urge to come here.
Birthday threads are not bad. And they are posted in the "Off Topic" section in the forum. And it is nice to know that people care about you.

[Maniac]

It seems (to me) that most members think the forums here are going downhill, Masters just wants to slow or halt that slide i think.

I think its a big shame that you guys (especially the admins)feel the need to bash CMT or Masters, they are doing what they think is best.


Its really up to you guys what you want this forum to be like.

All modding help and info place?
All bullshit offtopic hangout?
A mix?

[PenGuin1362]

This thread should be called "why no one gives a shit about your internet lives"

[Chainsy]

I don't see what's so bad about this place. Sure, a lot of people here call me faggot and a bunch of other shit but I still find an urge to come here.
Birthday threads are not bad. And they are posted in the "Off Topic" section in the forum. And it is nice to know that people care about you.
You're a faggot and a whole bunch of other shit. :)

[Heathen]

Jesus fuck, if you dislike modacity so much, leave. All these things that you mention as "bad" are remnants of previous online communities many of the recurring members here have been a part of. We just keep them going, because they were fun and still are.

Also, internet jokes on the internet??! WHOEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING?!? DEAR GOD, ALERT THE PRESS.

Rep also makes no difference. The amount of rep you have doesn't affect the wa you post, it's not like you gain anything from it other than bars. Boo fucking hoo. Rep also means that one may keep one's shitposts off the general discussion boards.

All these things make modacity.. well, modacity and not some generic online forum. It's a community that's developed over the past 5 years or so, when most of us were regulars at the Gearbox forums.

Also, blind is legit.
Tits for Mod '09

[=sw=warlord]

It seems (to me) that most members think the forums here are going downhill, Masters just wants to slow or halt that slide i think.

I think its a big shame that you guys (especially the admins)feel the need to bash CMT or Masters, they are doing what they think is best.


Don't just don't...

Being a well known, long time respected member of this community, and a person who is on a close relationship with a person we all believe in and follow, our lord and savior jesus christ, I decline your application for hope and change, thank you.
Who are you?

[RecycleBin]

You're a faggot and a whole bunch of other shit. :)

:( I was fine untill the whole bunch of other shit comment. That was just
very mean and hurtful.

[Maniac]

Don't what?

[Heathen]

Modacity is fine the way it is.

quit belly aching.

[Lateksi]

It's stupid to tell someone to leave if they think this place is bad. They want change, not ragequit.
Also, GTFO with those f'n moronic faggot insults.

[blind]

It's stupid to tell someone to leave if they think this place is bad. They want change, not ragequit.
Also, GTFO with those f'n moronic faggot insults.
GTFO u dont no SHIT

[Heathen]

It's stupid to tell someone to leave if they think this place is bad. They want change, not ragequit.
Also, GTFO with those f'n moronic faggot insults.
what he said.

If you got a problem with it, don't leave, just shut the fuck up and sit back, ya know?

if you have a problem with ANYTHING,

http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/source/buttons/report.gif
srsly.
The cancer that is killing modacity is all the whining.

[dark navi]

Why Modacity is bad.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=403525#post403525

[sevlag]

Why Modacity is bad.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=403525#post403525go back to deep impact gaylo navi, you yourself have no idea how to make or compile a map, even I have SOME knowledge of tool and sapien...and if you cant do what i do (which is very shitty maps that can't compile) then you good sir should leave

i mean modacity IS a modding community but i also have respect for the artists who show off their work in the studio sub-forum. I know i really don't mod halo, but i've tried my hand and am still striving to make and compile decent maps, but i've also taken intrest in far older games than CE itself

a community project though good on pen and paper would never work, too many "i can't do this at this time"

i also noticed I may be the cause for the cancer for shortly after i joined modacity the influx of nooby members came in, so I'm thinking of leaving...if it stops the influx of cancer causing members...then it WAS me...if not, then well we tried SOMETHING

[blind]

you yourself have no idea how to make or compile a map, even I have SOME knowledge of tool and sapien...and if you cant do what i do (which is very shitty maps that can't compile) then you good sir should leave

I don't know anything about modding halo, you telling me to get out?:eek:

[sevlag]

I don't know anything about modding halo, you telling me to get out?:eek:no, you've not only been here longer but you keep people entertained and i respect you, i however know who dark navi is. he is a kid that came from a site FAR worse than the halomap forums, but not as evil as 4chan *shivers* i lost a friend to the stupidity to 4chan, tis a painful story..damn you /b/ *shakes fist*

[dark navi]

go back to deep impact gaylo navi, you yourself have no idea how to make or compile a map, even I have SOME knowledge of tool and sapien...

Haha... I come here to support my brother with his 1337 hax.... Stop shunning the love...

I don't know who you are, but obviously I made a bad impression on you.:highfive:

[sevlag]

Haha... I come here to support my brother with his 1337 hax.... Stop shunning the love...

I don't know who you are, but obviously I made a bad impression on you.
nah im just more afraid bigger shits like anakade will come here, HIH fell to shit because it was run mostly by little kids that outnumbered the moderators and admin

I mean i lruked HIH a few weeks ago without signing in, the kids there are terrible, only buying the limited edition of HW for the mythic maps xD pathetic, just if anymore of these Deep Impact Gaylo expect shitposts and pointless montage movies to spam the forums

[Heathen]

I don't know anything about modding halo, you telling me to get out?:eek:
neither do I.
I know jack shit.

[Rosco]

Why Modacity is bad.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=403525#post403525

Yeah, the experienced poster and whatnot :haw:

[rossmum]

go back to deep impact gaylo navi, you yourself have no idea how to make or compile a map, even I have SOME knowledge of tool and sapien...and if you cant do what i do (which is very shitty maps that can't compile) then you good sir should leave
wow what the fuck did you sit on

that was totally uncalled for, leave him the fuck alone

[Chainsy]

I say we listen to snowy, he is a wise man of many values!!! He believes in illegal immigration, because our birth rates are dropping and they'll bring them up to make more soldiers to fight for the oil!!! He believes STD's are gods gift to man as it stops pre marriage sex! He believes abortions are right, but only on 8 months+ babies, as it would be smearing the good name of the protesters who say we are killing babies, he cares enough to make them not look like liers!!!!

/Snowy for mod 09

[blind]

I remember High impact halo used to be pretty sweet.

[rossmum]

I say we listen to snowy, he is a wise man of many values!!! He believes in illegal immigration, because our birth rates are dropping and they'll bring them up to make more soldiers to fight for the oil!!! He believes STD's are gods gift to man as it stops pre marriage sex! He believes abortions are right, but only on 8 months+ babies, as it would be smearing the good name of the protesters who say we are killing babies, he cares enough to make them not look like liers!!!!

/Snowy for mod 09
you're not helping

[Heathen]

you're not helping
I doubt he wants to.

He is the subject of the title.

[Chainsy]

That and it's damn funny to troll.

[Atty]

That and it's damn funny to troll.Funny to troll huh? Well how funny is it to be banned?

You can let me know in 24 hours.

[Heathen]

Funny to troll huh? Well how funny is it to be banned?

You can let me know in 24 hours.
snap

There isn't really anything wrong with modacity, just some members.

[TeeKup]

Site needs a good purging...

[Heathen]

Site needs a good purging...
ignore them and they have nothing to enjoy.

[Huero]

That and it's damn funny to troll.

too bad you're really fucking bad at it

[SnaFuBAR]

This thread is still going? Why isn't this shitfest locked?

[p0lar_bear]

nah im just more afraid bigger shits like anakade will come here, HIH fell to shit because it was run mostly by little kids that outnumbered the moderators and adminModacity's userbase, on the other hand, is comprised of mostly high school juniors/seniors, college age people, and a few industry professionals. Not to mention, the staff has good heads on their shoulders.

If some little brat joined us, most likely he would be banned or detained at the least for not following our set rules and standards.

[sevlag]

wow what the fuck did you sit on

that was totally uncalled for, leave him the fuck alone
no offense ross, but i know this guy from another site...i left because him and a few stuck up children just made the site so unbearable that i took the exit like the smarter people

I'm willing to give you a try, but seriously...none of that halo 3 montage bullshit that pluages HIH

i probably have -rep, but who cares the rep system is bunk

[RecycleBin]

That and it's damn funny to troll.


Is it funny when the person you troll ends up comiting suicide because of what you said? Its happend a lot of times.

[rossmum]

no offense ross, but i know this guy from another site...i left because him and a few stuck up children just made the site so unbearable that i took the exit like the smarter people

I'm willing to give you a try, but seriously...none of that halo 3 montage bullshit that pluages HIH

i probably have -rep, but who cares the rep system is bunk
not from me you don't

next time though make it look less like a random and unprovoked attack, or you'll end up making a bad name for yourself and possibly getting in shit

[dark navi]

no offense ross, but i know this guy from another site...i left because him and a few stuck up children just made the site so unbearable that i took the exit like the smarter people

I'm willing to give you a try, but seriously...none of that halo 3 montage bullshit that pluages HIH

i probably have -rep, but who cares the rep system is bunk

Haha... An I'm immature. Anyways, that site is a Halo Community. It means that people can post their work, shity or not. No offense to anyone here, but not ALL the work on Modacity is quality. It shouldn't be. People post in a community to get C n' C and to share fun experiences, so if you can't handle the fact that more videos besides Trinity 2 were released, then that is kind of sad.

Anyways....

Modacity is bad because it needs more smilies.

[mech]

Is it funny when the person you troll ends up comiting suicide because of what you said? Its happend a lot of times.

Yes, that's when it's the funniest.

[CN3089]

e: agh fuck new page ^^ http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-argh.gif


Is it funny when the person you troll ends up comiting suicide because of what you said? Its happend a lot of times.

That makes it hilarious. Go kill yourself, tia~ http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-allears.gif

[Jean-Luc]

This thread is still going? Why isn't this shitfest locked?
.

[Reaper Man]

This thread is still going? Why isn't this shitfest locked?
It's because you're not a mod yet. Why aren't you a mod yet? Got damn.

[Atty]

Fine, I guess I'll lock it. If an admin wants to re-open it, go ahead.