Post your car!

[Kalub]

Hey guys, just out of curiosity and me wanting to play around with my camera; post pictures of your current vehicle. Follow this format:



[image]
Year:
Make:
Model:
Anything Else:



To start, here are my cars:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8389/img1321xuy.jpg

Year: 1990
Make: (Chrysler) Eagle
Model: Talon TSi AWD


And here is my other one:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/311/img1149z.jpg

Year: 1993
Make: Mitsubishi
Model: Eclipse




SO that's what I drive, though I wish I had pics of my other cars that I've owned. Let's see yours, and remember the car has to be in your possession. :)

[sdavis117]

The car in the picture isn't actually mine. My Subaru in darker, but it's still whitish grey, not silver.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/2nd-Subaru-Legacy-wagon.jpg
Year: 1997
Make: Subaru
Model: Legacy (Station Wagon)

[hobojoe]

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh245/hobojoe42/n1169445064_30347343_2349.jpg

1989
Toyota
Pickup XLCAB
E:
Miles: 242,000

Just got it unstuck from the mud.:)

[Varmint260]

Wow, a Talon and an Eclipse? Aren't they the same car with different names?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/Varmint264/94ChevA.jpg

Year: 1994
Make: Chevrolet
Model: Astro EXT

First vehicle. Sure, it ain't fancy, but you can git a bed in the back.

[Syuusuke]

Does it have to be a car? =/

Fine be like that

[Kalub]

Vehicle*



And I love the toyota pickup, my dad has one, and they are pretty sweet.


And yes, The cars are physically the same, though the motors/transmissions/drivetrain are different.

[Timo]

Poor student, no car :-(

[Jean-Luc]

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5835/1000659h.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6070/1000662u.jpg

Year: 2001
Make: Pontiac
Model: Sunfire

[Masterz1337]

http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/co/converse-black-all-star-ox-lo-trainer.jpg

I live in the city, rarely have a need for a car.

[Mr Buckshot]

http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/Bus_on_98_B_Line_3_Road_City_Hall11349.jpg

Don't have a car that I can call my own (although I have a license).

e: this is the road test car I'm going to use soon for my road test to upgrade to a Class 5 license:

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11293682/Used_Car_Toyota_Corolla_Xli_1_5cc.jpg

2001-2008 Toyota Corolla, equipped with a second steering wheel/pedals set on the passenger side as this is an ICBC road testing vehicle (the examiner can seize control from the passenger side if the need arises).

[Con]

Too lazy to take a picture; looks like this
http://www.anchorageautomart.com/images/Honda_Civic_98_L.jpg

[MetKiller Joe]

http://www.automedia.com/NewCarBuyersGuide/photos/2005/Hyundai/Elantra/Hatchback/2005_Hyundai_Elantra_ext_1.jpg

Year: 2005
Make: Hyundai
Model: Elantra
Anything Else: 5 speed manual w/a fake country bumper sticker that says "Rus"

[Reaper Man]

http://www.thehubsa.co.za/uploads/20080918_025958_Merida_sub60.jpg
Gunna get a nicer one before I head off to university.

[Bossniak]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/harisva/uhhhh.jpg
Year: 2008
Nissan Titan

[PlasbianX]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/112/l_531450a81bf24d7bbf45cf69e3bebf70.jpg

1998 Pontiac Grand AM SE.
Had 100,000 miles on it when I bought it, and it only cost me $1000.

[Varmint260]

And yes, The cars are physically the same, though the motors/transmissions/drivetrain are different.

Ah. 'Cause I could swear that a buddy of mine who owns a 1995 Talon has an Eagle Talon/Mitsubishi Eclipse Haynes Repair Manual. Interesting that they've got a different driveline, though.

[Cortexian]

Image tomorrow.

Year: I'll check tomorrow
Make: Buick
Model: Park Avenue Ultra

[Inferno]

This is how MLG millionaires roll.

http://mymikenryanonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pimp-my-ride-0053.jpg

I'll get a real picture tommarow : P.

[Xetsuei]

I'll take a picture if I can tomorrow.



Year: 1997
Make: Ford
Model: Mustang GT Convertible
Anything Else: Much bigger rims on the car, bigger brakes too. The car needed maintenance, so we took it to a dealership and they took off everything that needed replacing, and then some. They replaced the parts with that of the new GT (only mechanical stuffs). The engine runs incredibly smooth now, and makes a bit more horsepower. I absolutely love it.

[Rook]

Year: 1993
Make: Mitsubishi
Model: Montero


something like this~
http://www.lyna-carrental.com/vehicles/200742023643_95-Montero-LGreen-Front.jpg

[ThePlague]

1995
Suzuki Sidekick
http://www.unionautosales783.com/carpicture/may%202007%20084.jpg
Pretty much like this, except custom roof, broken headlight, and different rims.

[Bodzilla]

05 Lancer es

[RecycleBin]

Camera broke :(
But this is what it looks like. Mine is black.
http://www.firsttraderegistry.com/forsale/corvette/70corvette3/1970CorvetteCoupe350HP011.jpg

[Rob Oplawar]

http://spacebrick.net/pictures/blog_gallery/sploder.jpg
(currently parked in front of my parents' house)

Not the car I would have bought, but it's the car I more or less stole from my parents.
It's a great car, but the trade-in value is only around $3500, and a late nineties Subaru WRX or Impreza, which I would want to trade it in for, goes for around $6000, so I decided I'd just keep it. It gets about the same gas mileage as a WRX anyways, lmao.

[Hotrod]

Well, I technically have two cars, but neither of them works, and I have to stick them together to make one working car :) Two 1984 Pontiac Fieros, one white, the other is red.

[Kalub]

Ah. 'Cause I could swear that a buddy of mine who owns a 1995 Talon has an Eagle Talon/Mitsubishi Eclipse Haynes Repair Manual. Interesting that they've got a different driveline, though.

Well there are different models of the car, however my two cars have different engines and drive trains due to the fact that one is the basemodel and one is the top model. There are actually three makes of the "same" car though they have different motors and drive lines between the three different models of the three different makes. :party:

Oh and Laser died somewhere between '91-'94; Eagle died '98; and the Eclipse is still in production, though really imo it's not an Eclipse anymore :(

[Spartan094]

I laugh at your shitty car Plague (nah joke) It's probably better then my first car im gonna get soon :(

[Kalub]

Jeez, hater.



Suzuki makes some kickass 4x4 vehicles. Right next to Jeep. :woot:

[Corndogman]

No car yet, but I might be getting a 90-something Toyota 4-runner soon for free. Or I might be able to talk my grandma into buying me something newer, I'm really hoping she'll get me a Jeep though. She bought my sister a 2008 jeep, so I'm hoping she'll get me something a little older/cheaper.

[klange]

I do not own a vehicle.

[Kalub]

Why are thoust in mine threadth?





Steal one :downs:

[Sanctus]

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm28/fISha_1791/phpfeSAt3PM.jpg

Year: 1990
Make: Honda
Model: Civic LX
Extra: This is an older picture when I first got it, the clear coat is almost completely gone now. I recently installed a cold air intake, now it sounds a little throatier and has a little more get up and go to it. And it was pretty good before. I plan to do a lot more for performance, and maintenance of course.

[Kalub]

Eww Honda :P



Get a DSM :highfive:

[hobojoe]

Toyota's FTW!

[Kalub]

Hell yea, I had one for my first car. A silly little puddle jumper with a crappy heater; but I loved it :3

[Bodzilla]

Toyotas are indestructible.

They're a car you secretly love, but dont admit it in public.
They just arnt as sexy as you'd like :(


but like i cna talk, i drive the grandma WHITE version of an 05 lancer vOv

[Kalub]

I talk about it in public _o/

[Varmint260]

It's a great car, but the trade-in value is only around $3500

In this auto market, nothing's worth very much in trade. Two years ago, my van was worth almost four grand off the lot (13 years old at the time). Now, it's 15 years old and it's worth 500-1000. That cannot be a sign of age, it's a sign of the current auto market. So, don't feel sad.

Anyhow... I'm eventually (in the next few months or so) upgrading to a different vehicle, one that's in the family but basically mine now.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/Varmint264/94FordF.jpg

Year: 1994
Make: Ford
Model: F-350XL
Anything else: 7.3L Turbo Diesel (non-powerstroke), 5-spd manual, 3:1 transfer case, custom hub caps (actually, just some old Ford F-250 ones that Dad and I modified so they would fit over the F-350's hubs), front fog lights, block heater, rear flood lights, 5th-Wheel hitch, and MP3-CD player. Oh, also forgot... Dad installed a Banks 3 1/2" exhaust pipe on it 'cause someone threw a 1 1/2" pipe on it to save money some time in its past. Even at idle, it was choking.

The sad part about this truck is that in some cases it gets better mileage than my Astro does. Highway, I can get almost 26mpg out of my Astro, but with this Ford, it's only 20 or 21. However, in town, my Astro gets around 15-18mpg, and this truck gets... 19 or 20. lol. (by the way, I use imperial gallons, in case my mpg numbers look a little high).

Also, I'm upgrading mostly 'cause I have heavy tools for my trade, plus I need four-wheel drive. My van, once it hits half a foot of snow? It's toast. It's not going anywhere. One rear wheel starts spinning in place and it's all over but the tears. This thing? Weighs almost twice as much, gets similar mileage, and has a jesus great diesel weighing down the front axle. We've taken it over land slides.

[Llama Juice]

Well, I technically have two cars, but neither of them works, and I have to stick them together to make one working car :) Two 1984 Pontiac Fieros, one white, the other is red.

My brother has two Fieros, a white and a red one too :P

My current truck (3rd truck) is a 1993? Chevy S10 (long bed) with 250,000 miles on it
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9712/1000807.jpg

My old truck (2nd truck) was about the same, but with a normal bed to it.

Before that I had a 92 GMC Sonoma... it died with 497,000 on it... basically the same thing as a Chevy S10 but... like a little bit smaller.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6285/photo1rut.jpg

Ignore the fat me in the picture.

[Kalub]

Jeez, somene drove those pickups to hell and back. :s

[Llama Juice]

Jeez, somene drove those pickups to hell and back. :s

Twice.

[Futzy]

http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture97/fast/Product-2007620161345.jpg

[Xetsuei]

The fuck is up with those brakes? They're tiny.

[Kalub]

Failstang ftl. :forshame:

[Atty]

What's up with that body style, it's ugly.

[Futzy]

k

[Cojafoji]

this was my car, but eventually the rear differential exploded, which totaled the car. i sold it to a junk yard for 350...

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v193/175/24/213002381/n213002381_30899329_7770.jpg

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v193/175/24/213002381/n213002381_30899330_8081.jpg

i was in a junk yard looking for parts, for my new truck ironically, and i saw my old truck, the blazer, just sitting there.

was pretty surreal, because i'd driven it for years, and i had put a lot of work into it.

[musicman888]

I will most likely attempt to get a good pic for you guys tomorrow, but I own a:

1970
Volkswagen
Bug

[paladin]

2000 Suzuki GSX R750


http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5205/gsx750.jpg

2008 MINI Cooper s areo 6 Speed manual
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2140/insides.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3987/outsidetxu.jpg

[kenney001]

1990 Camaro Iroc-Z28
5.7L Chevy 350 V8

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v295/43/7/644534138/n644534138_730521_7965.jpg
yeah thats me going to work
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v313/43/7/644534138/n644534138_842968_5902.jpg

Of course I have a whole thread somewhere about this car...

[Heathen]

:lmao: and here I was going to be embarrassed about my car.

Its 100x better than some of these :downs:
jk but still its a great car.
Its night but I will get some pics tomorrow.
40 miles to the gallon,
$1500
Toyota Corolla '94


E: Couldn't get a pic so I just decided to model this
http://www.kiljabi.com/images/toyota.jpg
just fucking around, I just found this on google


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/Varmint264/94FordF.jpg

THE coolest vehicle I ever saw. You could fuck buckwild in that thing.

[p0lar_bear]

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/64/1881/158440006_large.jpg
(Placeholder, will get actual pics later. Mine is colored gold.)

Year: 1992
Make: Saturn
Model: SL2

Nothing too special at all, gets me where I need to go, and has only failed me once last summer when the alternator died during a heatwave. >:|

I don't do body mods to cars; I'm a technojunkie. I managed to install a cheapie sound deck and something called an OmniFi (http://www.omnifimedia.com/products/omnifi_details.asp?productId=12541&productNum=87055) without breaking anything, so I suppose that's pretty cool.

[hry]

Sure why not

http://i41.tinypic.com/2vc6jw1.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/107tf6p.jpg

Pontiac Firebird 2000 v6 Supercharger

Cost me 2000 dlls but I have invested about 1000-1500 dlls.

[PopeAK49]

This is basically what i use to get around Alaska. O and i also do the iditorod every year :lie:.

http://www.arctictoboggan.com/half-bed_racing_-_alone-cropped_close.jpg

[Varmint260]

THE coolest vehicle I ever saw. You could fuck buckwild in that thing.

Took it camping, had a bed in the back with a big foam mattress. The rear suspension's a little too stiff for "buckwild" though, but the shocks made a hilarious squeaky noise.

[paladin]

Sure why not


Pontiac Firebird 2000 v6 Supercharger

Cost me 2000 dlls but I have invested about 1000-1500 dlls.

I buddy has I think a '78. ITs so fucking fast.

[OmegaDragon]

What I have:
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8472/phoenixredmotorscooter.jpg

What I wish I had:
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9693/harleyvrodmuscle.jpg

[Syuusuke]

http://www.hivclan.net/hivshack/images/nrpotm2jbas1cx1dcv7w.png

Motobecane 1975(? 80?) Grand touring bike, still rides like a beauty.
Yea there's a seatcushion for that...I don't want to sit on that shitlooking seat =/

And that, omega, is what i want too

[Horns]

http://www.atvriders.com/images/yamaha/2007/2007wolverine450blue.jpg

I'm 15, and i'll get a car this summer, but for now.

2007 Yamaha Wolverine 350. :D

[Joshflighter]

This is basically what i use to get around Alaska. O and i also do the iditorod every year :lie:.

http://www.arctictoboggan.com/half-bed_racing_-_alone-cropped_close.jpg

Funniest post I have seen this week!

Wait.. :eek:

[LesserOf2Evils]

Just to make all u guys who think your car sucks feel better. I have a 96 GEO Metro. My parents were telling my neighbor that they were planning to get a new car and give me the 03 Accord coup with the V-6. So just to be dick he offered to sell them this for 100$. Needless to say they gave me the GEO and kept the Accord.

http://mpgvalues.com/images/geo_metro_2.jpg

[hry]

I buddy has I think a '78. ITs so fucking fast.


It is.

Mine with the supercharger is super fast, it is standard and this gives an advantage, but I want the parts of the front of the trans am to change to the front of my car ;p

[Llama Juice]

I am ungrateful that my parents bought me a car.


ftfy

[LesserOf2Evils]

ftfy

I bought it actually.

[Llama Juice]

Needless to say they gave me the GEO


I bought it actually.

You can see why I thought differently. My bad brah.

[Cortexian]

I'll go ahead and win this thread now...

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5199/img00014200906251029.jpg
Year: 2008
Make: Jeep
Model: Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon

[BobtheGreatII]

Oh look, I just got my first vehicle. :iamafag:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5917/0717092100a.jpg

Sorry for the shotty photo, taken on my phone.

1987 Ford F-250 3/4 Ton V8

Good thing my town is small, won't be taking too much fuel money to get around. lol

[DaaxGhost]

I WIN :iamafag:
not really. but here goes

BMW z4

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/378/sdc10940q.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3623/sdc10941n.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1153/sdc10942m.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9523/sdc10943.jpg

[Xetsuei]

Corvette ZR1 get.

[DaaxGhost]

i'm still dreaming my friend.

[Xetsuei]

Washed it, took some pics, then went out for a little drive.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4373/photo0150.png
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1083/photo0153.png
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5642/photo0151.png
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9830/photo0152.png
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2218/photo0154.png
On the last image all that stuff on the top right of the image is just water and reflection.

O-vYramdU7s
Forgot to turn off the radio before I started it, oh well.

[DaaxGhost]

Nice lookin car you got there Xet.

[Xetsuei]

I'm a sucker for white cars.

[Con]

[21:04] Con: HOLY SHIT
[21:04] Con: IM
[21:04] Con: INSIDE MY MUSTANG
[21:04] Con: AHGHHHH
[21:04] Con: JIZZ ALL OVER MY DASHBOARD
[21:04] Con: U LIKE DAT BABY
[21:04] Con: ~~~~~~
[21:04] zetsuei540: yes
[21:04] Con: thats basically your video
[21:04] Con: so im not watching it
[21:04] zetsuei540: no
[21:04] zetsuei540: wow
[21:04] zetsuei540: fuck you
[21:04] zetsuei540: seriously

[PlasbianX]

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/112/l_531450a81bf24d7bbf45cf69e3bebf70.jpg

98 Pontiac Grand AM SE. Had 100k miles on it when I bought it, only cost me $1000.

[Varmint260]

Not a bad price on the Grand Am, PlasbianX. And also, I think you've posted it in this thread before. Not that I'm complaining, once I give the F-350 I just got a wash, I'll post some decent pics of it.. As for your Mustang Xet, I definitely agree that white is an awesome colour for a vehicle. Groovy ride. Though I wonder at people who drive Fords. Hey, waitaminute...

[hobojoe]

98 Pontiac Grand AM SE. Had 100k miles on it when I bought it, only cost me $1000.

Yah know. I almost bought the exact same car. For the exact same price.
I went home to get money and the fucking asshole sold it behind my back.

Then on the way home I found my Toyota:neckbeard:

[§partan 8]

this is what i drive.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/773/ldd39cbd0643e43f5bf1637.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/ldd39cbd0643e43f5bf1637.jpg/) http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/314/l3b940fdb5a0e45f7a8d283.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/l3b940fdb5a0e45f7a8d283.jpg/)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9347/l7e5fe2ec58e14247a79b67e.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/l7e5fe2ec58e14247a79b67e.jpg/)



Soon I am getting this car so I can finaly drift.

http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dsc02934dhs.jpg/

[Xetsuei]

Soon I am getting this car so I can finaly drift.

http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dsc02934dhs.jpg/

(Image isn't working) Be careful! Before you EVER try it on the road (if you do it on the road at all), find a big parking lot, a track, or even an airfield to practice on. Ever guy thinks they're good at drifting before they actually do it, try and look at some instructional videos on YouTube. This is all of course unless you already know how to drift.

[§partan 8]

I have some drifting skills. I have lots of drifting friends and always hang around them and drift with them. Since i dont have a rear wheel drive my friends let me drift their 240s (http://www.niot.net/niot_570/nissan_240_sx_niot.net.jpg%20%2815%29.jpg) and thats not just in parking lots. but on touges too

[Xetsuei]

I have some drifting skills. I have lots of drifting friends and always hang around them and drift with them. Since i dont have a rear wheel drive my friends let me drift their 240s (http://www.niot.net/niot_570/nissan_240_sx_niot.net.jpg%20%2815%29.jpg) and thats not just in parking lots. but on touges too

You're actually able to break traction on those ricey little 240sx's? Don't they only have like 150hp?

[Kalub]

They have more balls than your Lame-o Automatic Failstang brosef.... And more style.

[Xetsuei]

:smugoff:

I'm sorry what?

I don't prefer dumb little 4banger ricer econoboxes. I'd rather have something you can actually drift, and that has a real engine. Not all Mustangs come in automatic, by the way. I'm hoping to buy a Tremec T56 and put it in. And it's your opinion that 240sx's have more style, which I of course do not agree with. I personally think Mustangs are way cooler than the 240sx, and of course are much more manly (V8 vs 4banger, lol). I don't see why you hate Mustangs so much, were you hit by one of them or something? Mustangs were the only muscle cars that never stopped production besides Corvettes. Ford must be doing something right.

E: Oh great, here comes some huge rant on how Mustangs are terrible.

[§partan 8]

my friends have turbo. one of my frineds has 280hp and another have 350 on his 240. On the 350hp 240 you dont even have to use the ebrake, you just turn and you start to drift, and yes stock is about 160hp one he 240


My fav 240 vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYqY2MNM54

[Xetsuei]

my friends have turbo. one of my frineds has 280hp and another have 350 on his 240. On the 350hp 240 you dont even have to use the ebrake, you just turn and you start to drift, and yes stock is about 160hp one he 240


My fav 240 vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYqY2MNM54

I'm assuming in the 350 you have to use throttle though to get it to drift it still? In my Mustang it is the same way, I actually don't ever use the e-brake when I'm drifting. The benefits of low weight on the rear end. I still cannot stand the sound of a 4banger with a fart cannon.

[PenGuin1362]

They have more balls than your Lame-o Automatic Failstang brosef.... And more style.

don't be hatin on my v6 mustang :smith:

[Kalub]

Bah, did you just say your v6, automatic Mustang has an engine? GDIAF The Probe has more potential than your Mustang. Sell it and get a real Mustang if you want cudos from me.



Eitherway, not all cars that are 4-cylinders have a huge fart cannon on them. Hell my Talon (Which would tear the shit out of your Mustang, lawl) is so quiet you can hear the recirculated cbv dump back into the intake when you close the throttle plate under boost.


e: also 240, 280, 300, 350 pretty much all of the Nissan Z cars are far sexier than an American landbarge Mustang in terms of looks, imo, and the engines out perform or match anything with half the displacement.

guilty-e: It's a clean car you have, but in terms of performace your really cutting yourself short. I'd still sell it and go for either the pre 95 GT's or the 00-03 ones, they seem to have some balls? (I really wouldn't know)

[Xetsuei]

Eitherway, not all cars that are 4-cylinders have a huge fart cannon on them. Hell my Talon (Which would tear the shit out of your Mustang, lawl) is so quiet you can hear the recirculated cbv dump back into the intake when you close the throttle plate under boost.

HAHAHAHA. Don't make me laugh - oh wait, you already did. Do you know the best ever recorded time for a 0-60 for your Talon is 6.3 seconds? Best 1/4 mile? 14.5 seconds. It's nothing short of pathetic. I don't know what a stock 1997 GT does, but with all the upgrades mine has on it I've been getting 5.5 seconds to 60 and low 14 second 1/4 miles. And no, the Nissans may have more horsepower, but they don't have more of what actually matters - torque. The Mustangs also have their power more evenly spread out, while with the Nissans the power is almost always at the top. Mustang engines are good because they're used in fucking police cruisers, they HAVE to be good. Also the 240sx is nothing compared to a 1994-2004 Mustang in terms of looks, mainly because it's WAAAY to plain, same with your Talon. And the 2010 Mustang GT compared to the 370Z:

http://thecarfanatic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010-ford-mustang-gt-in-grabber-blue-500x338.jpg

vs

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/01_370z_red_spy_gtrworld_450op.jpg

E: The 00-04 Mustangs are exactly like mine, but with a different body. The Mustangs before the 94-04 generation are too generic looking for me.

E2: Also I forgot to mention, the engines in the Nissans also rev about 1000rpms higher than the Mustang, which increases wear and complexity of the engines which means they are likely to not last as long, or be able to take as much of a beating as Mustang engines.

[PenGuin1362]

Bah, did you just say your v6, automatic Mustang has an engine? GDIAF The Probe has more potential than your Mustang. Sell it and get a real Mustang if you want cudos from me.


Did you just accuse me of driving an automatic?!?! :maddowns:

No real man drives an automatic. :cop:

It's a '98 V6 manual :p 130,000 miles >_< for 11 years old, thing is running strong :)

[Kalub]

Second edit is dumb, that would make no sense an engine is designed to do something, and it usually does it if maintained properly.


Anyways, what upgrades have YOU done to yours again?

Did you know with my 1997cc 4cyl engine I put out 190-210bhp, compared to your 4,601 cc v8 that makes 215bhp. And the newer 4g63 engine that came in one of the rarer Evo's made 405.2bhp making it have the highest output per liter of any production engine. :eng101:

Did you also know the 2003-2004 SVT Cobras that came with a 4.6L DOHC Superchanged v8 only made 390bhp?

I can see we have a clear winner here when it comes to American vs Import :realsmug:


e: No penguin, I wasn't even talkin' to you :P and I would agree, with the transmission statement

[Kalub]

Anyways, beddy-bye time naow.



I don't have anything against anyone or their car, I just have a thing about how, "Having a v8 makes me a badass, rarrr." That mindset just upsets me. Haha.

[Xetsuei]

Second edit is dumb, that would make no sense an engine is designed to do something, and it usually does it if maintained properly.


Anyways, what upgrades have YOU done to yours again?

Did you know with my 1997cc 4cyl engine I put out 190-210bhp, compared to your 4,601 cc v8 that makes 215bhp. And the newer 4g63 engine that came in one of the rarer Evo's made 405.2bhp making it have the highest output per liter of any production engine. :eng101:

Did you also know the 2003-2004 SVT Cobras that came with a 4.6L DOHC Superchanged v8 only made 390bhp?

I can see we have a clear winner here when it comes to American vs Import :realsmug:

Yes, it is designed to go to 7500rpm, but that doesn't mean it still won't wear the engine out more. Formula 1 engines are designed to go to 18000rpm, and they don't last long at all. Increasing the RPMs will always lower the reliability and length of the engine's life.

Once again, you are compared them on the thing that DOESN'T matter. Horsepower is a result of a formula in which engine speed and torque are used, so all horsepower really shows in low displacement engines is engine speed itself. But let's cut to the chase shall we, I haven't actually dyno'd my Mustang but it is making far more than 215hp. I'd also like to point out that while your 4banger makes only 220 ft lbf of torque, I get 285 ft lbf of torque (stock). Not to mention since yours is turbocharged you have to deal with turbo lag and increased complexity in the engine which leads to less reliability, while mine is naturally aspirated so I do not face any of those problems.

And in the that new EVO, you forget to mention one thing. It has HORRIFIC turbo lag, and the engine is very unresponsive. This results in ALL of the power being at the top end once again. The cobra engine has 390hp and 390 ft lbf of torque. So while it might not be as powerful as the evo engine, if you put it in the same car it would be much more responsive, it wouldn't have turbo lag, and the car would accelerate faster thanks to a more even torque curve. And a fun little fact as well, the EVO that makes 400hp is only available in the UK because the UK is where ralliart (SP?) is located where they do the modifying of the EVO to give it 400hp. So us Americans can only dream.

The lesson is, power is completely useless if you don't have torque and a smooth torque curve to go along with it. And also, supercharging, although it will not yield as much power as turbocharging, is much better because it results in a flatter torque curve and better engine response (no turbo lag).

[Limited]

Mustangs are fucking sexi machines, better than Nissans by far.

Xet, you drift in an automatic, without using the e-brake? Unless you can lock it to a low gear thats nearly impossible, depending what tyres you got obviously.

And yes, torque is the most important. Torque is how quickly the horsepower can get to the wheels. You want reasonable HP, with alot of torque.

Torque is the real driving power, the "beef" of the power.

[Xetsuei]

Mustangs are fucking sexi machines, better than Nissans by far.

Xet, you drift in an automatic, without using the e-brake? Unless you can lock it to a low gears the nearly impossible, depending what tyres you got obviously.

And yes, torque is the most important. Torque is how quickly the horsepower can get to the wheels. You want reasonable HP, with alot of torque.

Torque is the real driving power, the "beef" of the power.

Yes, I did forget to mention you can manually select 1st and 2nd gears, I'll take a picture.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4815/photo0155b.jpg

Wow, that looks really dirty in that pic for some reason. Probably just the LED light from the camera.

[Limited]

Yes, I did forget to mention you can manually select 1st and 2nd gears, I'll take a picture.
Oh well then yeah :D But yeah nice car, also white is =\, only looks good on a zonda and lambo imo.

[Mr Buckshot]

This is the rental car my family is using in Cali now, until uni starts and my parents go back home:

http://www.autobytel.com/images/2007/Ford/Edge/400/07_Ford_Edge_11.jpg

Rented from Hertz, got a good discount. It's the Ford Edge crossover. Built in Ontario too :P We have the front-wheel-drive version (who needs AWD in the bay area weather anyway). Surprisingly, it came with a panorama sunroof, not something I expected to see in a rented vehicle. Interior space is class-leading without having to make the car oversized.

The only real criticism I have of this crossover is that the suspension is quite hard so you get jolted about very easily on bumps and potholes.

[Boba]

http://www.autobytel.com/images/2007/Ford/Edge/400/07_Ford_Edge_11.jpg

drug lords sure are high caliber these days

[DrunkenSamus]

don't be hatin on my v6 mustang :smith:

1969 Ford Ranchero. Nuff' said.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/499693/fullsize/

[Kalub]

fukken badass, what's it got in it?

[Horns]

http://thecarfanatic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010-ford-mustang-gt-in-grabber-blue-500x338.jpg

vs

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/01_370z_red_spy_gtrworld_450op.jpg


Nice job of picking the ugliest Z Nissan has ever designed.


07 350z ftw

[Xetsuei]

Nice job of picking the ugliest Z Nissan has ever designed.


07 350z ftw

The point is that they're competing cars. The 350Z would have to be compared to the 05-09 Mustangs.

[Kalub]

Ya know, you still never said what YOU'VE done to your car.


I know I told you mine is bone stock, but I have 4x650cc injectors, a e316g and a boost guage sitting next to me to go into my car. I'm saving or trying to find a cheap safc2 and a wideband o2. After that I can successfully turn up the boost to 18lbs and theoretically push 320awhp.

On a stock engine, with stock internals, and a stock drive train. It's only the beginning too....



:supasmug:

[Xetsuei]

Ya know, you still never said what YOU'VE done to your car.


I know I told you mine is bone stock, but I have 4x650cc injectors, a e316g and a boost guage sitting next to me to go into my car. I'm saving or trying to find a cheap safc2 and a wideband o2. After that I can successfully turn up the boost to 18lbs and theoretically push 320awhp.

On a stock engine, with stock internals, and a stock drive train. It's only the beginning too....



:supasmug:

You never asked. It's been tuned (improved timing and other stuffs), K & N cold air intake, and upgraded the heads and cams so it is now a dohc motor instead of a sohc. I plan to also supercharge it, and buy either a flowmaster or borla exhaust. I'm guessing right now it's making upwards of 300hp. Everything else afaik is stock besides the rims and brakes.

Right now one MAJOR thing I have to do is change the rear end gears, which are currently 2.73 and put in some 3.73s. That will probably take at most a second off my 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. So I'm looking at sub 5 second 0-60, which would basically be the equivalent of a new 2010 GT.

Oh good lord, boost gauges. You're a ricer. Would you like some body kits with that rice? And are you sure that engine can handle 18lbs of boost, and the drivetrain will be able to even handle that much power? And you know with that, comes more turbo lag.

[LesserOf2Evils]

You never asked. It's been tuned (improved timing and other stuffs), K & N cold air intake, and upgraded the heads and cams so it is now a dohc motor instead of a sohc. I plan to also supercharge it, and buy either a flowmaster or borla exhaust. I'm guessing right now it's making upwards of 300hp. Everything else afaik is stock besides the rims and brakes.

Right now one MAJOR thing I have to do is change the rear end gears, which are currently 2.73 and put in some 3.73s. That will probably take at most a second off my 0-60 and 1/4 miles times. So I'm looking at sub 5 second 0-60, which would basically be the equivalent of a new 2010 GT.

Oh good lord, boost gauges. You're a ricer. Would you like some body kits with that rice? And are you sure that engine can handle 18lbs of boost, and the drivetrain will be able to even handle that much power? And you know with that, comes more turbo lag.

Modern turbos have very little turbo lag, especially if you don't go overboard on the boost. 18lbs of boost is a lot though not only does the engine have to handle the torque the clutch and trannie does too.

[Xetsuei]

Modern turbos have very little turbo lag, especially if you don't go overboard on the boost. 18lbs of boost is a lot though not only does the engine have to handle the torque the clutch and trannie does too.

Not really, it depends on how big the turbo is and how much exhaust pressure there is, even in high end cars such as Porsches turbo lag is still noticeable. But that's not the point, the turbo in his car is by no means new anyway. And that's what I meant when I said drivetrain, the drivetrain is everything (engine, clutch, tranny, drive shaft, differential, etc) that the power goes through.

E: And I'd also like to know where you got the figure of 300whp Kalub? Most AWD systems I've seen have had AT LEAST a 50hp loss through the drivetrain, so you think your car will be producing over 350hp at the crank? How much boost are the turbos stock?

[OmegaDragon]

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8283/b23a.jpg
Nissan Versa '09

Got it last week and currently learning how to drive a manual >.>

[Varmint260]

I'm almost wondering how serious Xet and Kalub actually are... I can't imagine either of them is REALLY taking this supposed "argument" seriously?

But it is interesting reading from a mechanical standpoint.

EDIT: Took some pics of the truck this mornin'.
EDIT2: Stats from my previous post
Year: 1994
Make: Ford
Model: F-350XL
Anything else: 7.3L Turbo Diesel, 5-spd manual, K&N air filter, custom hub caps (actually, just some old Ford F-250 ones that Dad and I modified so they would fit over the F-350's hubs), front fog lights, block heater, rear flood lights, 5th-Wheel hitch, MP3-CD player, Banks exhaust pipe

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/Varmint264/F-3501.jpg
A better view of it.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/Varmint264/F-3502.jpg
Stock exhaust? No way.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/Varmint264/F-3503.jpg
Took the fuzzy dice out of my van. No real mods to the truck inside except the MP3-CD player. And yes, boys and girls; I've joined the club of driving stick shift!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/Varmint264/F-3504.jpg
A Cornbinder engine and a German transmission? Yep, it's a Ford alright.

[Corndogman]

I'm hoping to be able to post a car in this thread in the next few weeks. hopefully joining the Modacity Jeep club :-3.

[ExAm]

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/TheExAm/0803091307.jpg

'95 Honda Civic, stock everyfuckingthing. The engine says VTEC on it, I have no fucking clue what that means. Paint damage on roof. Fucked up left side due to motorcycle accident in which the worst injury was the dude bruising his leg when his bike fell over on him. Hood damaged when the previous owner attempted to pull out a dent and made it worse. Pilot bearing is shot, and rattles constantly, drawing attention from people walking on the sidewalk a quarter mile away. :downs:

[Warsaw]

I've got a 2002 Volkswagen Jetta, 2.0L 4-cylinder engine block, automatic transmission (:saddowns:). No sports car, that's for sure. However, for a used car with 3 owners and 100,000 miles, this thing might as well be brand new. Fresh rotors and pads, new tyres, paint has only minor dings in places that don't matter, and most importantly: everything works. Engine is clean and purrs nicely. Don't think I could've done much better for my first car. :-3

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8478/carfront.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2474/carback.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/258/carwheel.jpg

[Xetsuei]

The engine says VTEC on it, I have no fucking clue what that means.

Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control. It's a little system Honda developed (which everyone else copied) which lets the engine get good fuel economy at low RPMs and power at high RPMs. You can search around on YouTube and find videos of how it works.

[TomClancy]

My current truck (3rd truck) is a 1993? Chevy S10 (long bed) with 250,000 miles on it

Nice! I'm thinking about getting a 1994 Chevy S10. It has 160,000 on it for $1800. I can probably talk the price down, too.

[Kalub]

Not really, it depends on how big the turbo is and how much exhaust pressure there is, even in high end cars such as Porsches turbo lag is still noticeable. But that's not the point, the turbo in his car is by no means new anyway. And that's what I meant when I said drivetrain, the drivetrain is everything (engine, clutch, tranny, drive shaft, differential, etc) that the power goes through.

E: And I'd also like to know where you got the figure of 300whp Kalub? Most AWD systems I've seen have had AT LEAST a 50hp loss through the drivetrain, so you think your car will be producing over 350hp at the crank? How much boost are the turbos stock?

My TD05H (14b) turbo charger is brand new, and right now I push 11.3psi, however the engine with it's stock fuel system can handle 16psi. And for your information, the gauges are there so I don't ruin my engine tyvm. I have all forged internals, stock, and my engine has been known to hold up to 22psi on the stock block/pistons/rods/crank. :realsmug:

And, I'm actually downgrading the size of my turbo it spools faster, and I can turn up the pressure. :eng101: And also, I don't know where you heard you loose 50hp in the awd system, but I'm sure it's not that much. These cars have been known to push 400hp on just a turbo/injector/fuel upgrade, and still be street legal and daily drivers.


After just about $1500 (if you do it right) these cars will dominate. :woop:


This car has about $800 invested into it, I'd say. Parts are cheap, and easy to come by. And before you go about saying that this isn't my car, or doesn't look like mine, :words: the engine in the 2g are actually weaker.
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[Xetsuei]

My TD05H (14b) turbo charger is brand new, and right now I push 11.3psi, however the engine with it's stock fuel system can handle 16psi. And for your information, the gauges are there so I don't ruin my engine tyvm. I have all forged internals, stock, and my engine has been known to hold up to 22psi on the stock block/pistons/rods/crank. :realsmug:

And, I'm actually downgrading the size of my turbo it spools faster, and I can turn up the pressure. :eng101: And also, I don't know where you heard you loose 50hp in the awd system, but I'm sure it's not that much. These cars have been known to push 400hp on just a turbo/injector/fuel upgrade, and still be street legal and daily drivers.


After just about $1500 (if you do it right) these cars will dominate. :woop:

All I can say is, I won't believe it until I see it. And yes, you are a ricer. Taking a 4banger Japanese car and putting useless things on it, that's ricing. And why would you ruin your engine if it's forged? You really don't need gauges, or at least you could be tasteful and modify them into the dash. And would you mind showing some proof your engine can hold 22psi stock? I'd also like to know once again where you got the 300hp figure. And you still have to figure in the drivetrain once again, will it even be able to handle the power?

And are you blind? Do you know what drivetrain loss is? The most efficient system AWD system I've seen is in the Nissan GT-R which is about a 50hp loss, I'm guessing your car has upwards of 80-100hp loss. RWD drivetrains have less loss of power because there are less parts the power has to be transmitted through. I'd also like to know, once again, where you find these cars having 400hp, or where you got that price number. :v:

And FYI, in that last video that isn't actually a Mustang GT. You see the the thing between the front wheel arch and the door? It's a Mustang horse, which is only on V6 models. The GT models have GT instead of the horse.

[Kalub]

Who said I wouldn't mold my guages or mount them properly? I'm no ricer, they aren't for aesthetics. I have three guages, boost, a/f, and egt. They all play a very important part in monitoring my engine. If you don't know why I would want them, need the, or even install them I suggest you look into it. And second of all, my car is a friggin' domestic. :maddowns:

Also, here is a stock 7-bolt 4g63 (the weak ones) running 22psi on pumpgas

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And here is one with ~400hp on the stock block/internals

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You can see that these cars are very chugged and chained to the ground stock. They have an immense room for improvement with little cash/effort involved. And as for drivetrain loss, I can say it isn't that much. Sure mine, compared to a standard rwd/fwd drive train is heavier and harder to move, but sure as hell doesn't lose 80-100hp. It's more or less around 10-15% of what ever is at the flywheel (Hell maybe less). However, I, nor you will ever know so it can't be that big of a deal.

I can however tell you that, my awd, is capable of 300-400hp stock before you'd want to look into another strictly racing setup. The thing is pretty durable. The thing that takes the most beating is the pressure plate.

(I got the numbers from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQKO4Hceu3o he races professionally and he lives in Boise, Idaho. I've spoken to him face to face and even ridin' in his cars. I know what I'm saying)

[Xetsuei]

Who said I wouldn't mold my guages or mount them properly? I'm no ricer, they aren't for aesthetics. I have three guages, boost, a/f, and egt. They all play a very important part in monitoring my engine. If you don't know why I would want them, need the, or even install them I suggest you look into it. And second of all, my car is a friggin' domestic. :maddowns:

Also, here is a stock 7-bolt 4g63 (the weak ones) running 22psi on pumpgas

And here is one with ~400hp on the stock block/internals

You can see that these cars are very chugged and chained to the ground stock. They have an immense room for improvement with little cash/effort involved. And as for drivetrain loss, I can say it isn't that much. Sure mine, compared to a standard rwd/fwd drive train is heavier and harder to move, but sure as hell doesn't lose 80-100hp. It's more or less around 10-15% of what ever is at the flywheel (Hell maybe less). However, I, nor you will ever know so it can't be that big of a deal.

I can however tell you that, my awd, is capable of 300-400hp stock before you'd want to look into another strictly racing setup. The thing is pretty durable. The thing that takes the most beating is the pressure plate.

(I got the numbers from this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQKO4Hceu3o he races professionally and he lives in Boise, Idaho. I've spoken to him face to face and even ridin' in his cars. I know what I'm saying)

Domestic with a Japanese engine, and yes the gauges ricers buy don't exactly display nothing. You honestly do not need those gauges, they're just stupid. Why is it important? Sure it's interesting to see how much boost the turbos are making, but at the cost you'll be a ricer.

And why are the 7 bolt ones weak? As far as I can tell, the 7 bolt is just a more responsive engine. Why is it weaker? Why would they make the newer engine weaker? It makes no sense. All of the videos you posted are of the newer, better engine, so you think your engine will somehow get more because you think the newer engines are weaker? That makes absolutely no sense.

And no, your car won't even get close to as low as a 10% loss. It's probably somewhere above a 15% loss. But no it is a big deal, since you're thinking you will be making upwards of 350hp at the crank I honestly don't believe it.

And bullshit, "Oh yeah this guy told me everything and I remember it all." Give me an actual source of proof to where you're getting these numbers for YOUR engine. I don't care if you've spoken to him or rode in his cars, unless you have a recording of him saying it or something, bullshit.

But anyway, I might as well do some bragging on how much horsepower I could get out of my block.

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There are some people who have bored the block out and gotten up to 900hp out of it, but that's not the stock 4.6L so I figured I wouldn't post them. I'm not going for much on my Mustang, probably just a little upwards of 450hp. But again the biggest thing I have to do is change out the rear end gears, then I'll be set. Then I can do suspension modifications, lighten the car, and get a real manual gearbox.

[Kalub]

Actually it's very important to know how much boost I'm putting into my engine, and if it is spiking, or dropping. And an aid to fuel ratio guage is important too, have you ever seen what happens when you go lean in a boosted engine? Temps rise and shit starts to melt. EGT is to measure the exhaust temperature of my 1st or 4th cylinder. Here is a scenario.


(It helps if you know how combustion works, and how a turbocharger works)


Say, I'm driving and I'm boosting at 15psi. Say the boost spikes to 22psi, now my car just can't compensate the fuel that would be needed to compensate for that much air, thus I go lean. My engine is now detonating before TDC, extreme pressure and force is put on the piston head, connecting rods, and crankshaft. (Sometimes Valves aswell) Also as a result of going lean my fuel is combusting at higher temps than it should be, and my engine literally starts to melt.

http://www.jagweb.com/aj6eng/failed_piston.jpg


My engine is very important to me, thus I have the tools to monitor it and keep it running smoothly. There is nothing rice about it, I don't add them to be Joe Cool, I add them to see what's happening to my engine. :cop:


ANOTHER THING, the 7 bolt engines if I recall correctly are weaker, they have a problem with the crankshaft "walking" into the crank case or crank angle sensor. It happens to all cars, but this engine model has seen it the worst, and thus most people try to opt for an older 6 bolt. It has less connecting bolts, but it is stronger, and slightly heavier.

And my engine is one of a 50-thousand. They can acheive the numbers on the stock block and internals. All you asked for me to show you, and I did. I have no intention of that level of modding to my vehicle. However, my engine with these few mods and bolt-ons will push 300awhp. Stock. You can go ahead and take a read around any forums or discussion board that these cars are talked on. They are known to go fast for cheap.

Oh, and my sources not only come from first hand, but from countless hours of research and reading. Might I reccommend you to a few:

dsmtuners.com
dsmtalk.com


Eitherway great arguement, and potential only increases with how much money you push into it. I'm not sure what the fastest 1/4 in a Mustang is with it's stock engine (block atleast :P) but John Shepard did like 7.something in his Talon.

[Xetsuei]

Actually it's very important to know how much boost I'm putting into my engine, and if it is spiking, or dropping. And an aid to fuel ratio guage is important too, have you ever seen what happens when you go lean in a boosted engine? Temps rise and shit starts to melt. EGT is to measure the exhaust temperature of my 1st or 4th cylinder. Here is a scenario.


(It helps if you know how combustion works, and how a turbocharger works)


Say, I'm driving and I'm boosting at 15psi. Say the boost spikes to 22psi, now my car just can't compensate the fuel that would be needed to compensate for that much air, thus I go lean. My engine is now detonating before TDC, extreme pressure and force is put on the piston head, connecting rods, and crankshaft. (Sometimes Valves aswell) Also as a result of going lean my fuel is combusting at higher temps than it should be, and my engine literally starts to melt.

http://www.jagweb.com/aj6eng/failed_piston.jpg


My engine is very important to me, thus I have the tools to monitor it and keep it running smoothly. There is nothing rice about it, I don't add them to be Joe Cool, I add them to see what's happening to my engine. :cop:


ANOTHER THING, the 7 bolt engines if I recall correctly are weaker, they have a problem with the crankshaft "walking" into the crank case or crank angle sensor. It happens to all cars, but this engine model has seen it the worst, and thus most people try to opt for an older 6 bolt. It has less connecting bolts, but it is stronger, and slightly heavier.

And my engine is one of a 50-thousand. They can acheive the numbers on the stock block and internals. All you asked for me to show you, and I did. I have no intention of that level of modding to my vehicle. However, my engine with these few mods and bolt-ons will push 300awhp. Stock. You can go ahead and take a read around any forums or discussion board that these cars are talked on. They are known to go fast for cheap.

Oh, and my sources not only come from first hand, but from countless hours of research and reading. Might I reccommend you to a few:

dsmtuners.com
dsmtalk.com


Eitherway great arguement, and potential only increases with how much money you push into it. I'm not sure what the fastest 1/4 in a Mustang is with it's stock engine (block atleast :P) but John Shepard did like 7.something in his Talon.

Yes, but if the absurd situation you tell us happens ACTUALLY happens then you would have no way of stopping it, rendering the gauges useless. The only one I can actually think of any use is the turbo boost because you're changing the boost on your engine.

And again, I didn't ask how or why I asked WHERE did you get the information that the engine is weaker. I'm not going to sift through loads of bullshit for no reason, provide me the complete link.

And no, you didn't show me. You showed me an engine that ISN'T yours achieving numbers that you think your engine can. Once again, I will not shift through loads of bullshit myself to find things that you might be making up.

And no, Mustangs aren't exactly expensive either. The total money plus the car itself I've spent to far is $3k, the car has about 100k miles on it and the previous owner has never had a single problem with it.

And really, again, I would prefer to not do hours of research and reading on a car I don't like. Since you probably know those sites front and back, it shouldn't be hard for you to provide the information I am asking for.

7 seconds? In his talon? Ugh. Proof, thanks. He probably isn't even using the same engine, or drivetrain that comes stock, not even close. I can put a 427 in a Mustang and put slicks on it and get a 7, but that doesn't even matter. We're talking about the cars with factory engines.

And it's convenient you didn't bother commenting on how much horsepower Mustang engines can put out, LOL. There is no replacement for displacement friend.

"yo guys chek dis shit out, got me some boost gauges better turbos n shit on mah 4banger gonna smoke all those fags n their mustangs heh."

E: I'm not going to continue this if you just keep making things up, it's wasting too much of my time. We all know how much you hate Mustangs and how much you think Talons are better than them, whoop de doo.

E2: And you also managed to stray WAY off topic about my car vs yours. So yes, what are the best 0-60 and 1/4 mile times have you gotten?

[Kalub]

No.

I'm too lazy.

I told you where to find it, and that's good enough for me.

And say you see your car detonate you can always calm your shit, drive home, retune it or check your boost controller and try to prevent it from happening. The serve a purpose, just like a Tach or Speedometer.

Rice is when you see a N/A Honda running around with three bright blue guages in an a-pillar pod that do nothing. Such as oil temp, tans temp, water temp. (I can see them being useful in certain situations, but not in that one)









I'm pretty much a walking encyclopedia for my car, just as you are for yours. I know what it can do, and I know I have some evidence for what I say. If you don't believe me then prove me wrong, but you do the work.

And of course he didn't do 7 seconds on a "stock" engine. Of course it used the same design of the engine itself it was highly modified. I dind't say he used a "stock" engine. That was just a curious inquiry.

[Kalub]

Actually here is a thread about something in this very discussion we are having. It's proof that I know what I talk about, and you can mosey around onthe site as you wish to uncover more information about it.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/278666-6-bolt-7-bolt.html

[Xetsuei]

No.

I'm too lazy.

I told you where to find it, and that's good enough for me.

And say you see your car detonate you can always calm your shit, drive home, retune it or check your boost controller and try to prevent it from happening. The serve a purpose, just like a Tach or Speedometer.

Rice is when you see a N/A Honda running around with three bright blue guages in an a-pillar pod that do nothing. Such as oil temp, tans temp, water temp. (I can see them being useful in certain situations, but not in that one)

I'm pretty much a walking encyclopedia for my car, just as you are for yours. I know what it can do, and I know I have some evidence for what I say. If you don't believe me then prove me wrong, but you do the work.

And of course he didn't do 7 seconds on a "stock" engine. Of course it used the same design of the engine itself it was highly modified. I dind't say he used a "stock" engine. That was just a curious inquiry.

Even then, if you hate risking your engine so much why would you even boost it up to the point of detonation? This would eliminate the need for stupid gauges once again.

And no, rice is just about adding anything useless to your car. It really doesn't have to JUST be Hondas, even though those are the most commonly riced cars because they're so damn cheap.

And if you know what it can do and have evidence, it really shouldn't be hard to find the proof. You are the one that claimed your engine could achieve these numbers, you're the one who should show you're not bullshitting. If you ever have anything that you doubt about what I say, I will be happy to provide proof. And to be honest, have REAL evidence. Not just some guy on a random forum saying "OH YEAH 6 BOLT IS MUCH STRONGER."

And if it wasn't a stock engine, why did you even mention it? There is no reason to.

E: Also, why did you have to be in your face about your car so much and call my car a "failstang"? I didn't just randomly insult your car and call it a failtalon because I don't like it, that's just being a douchebag. This whole argument started about your car vs mine and somehow ended up at this. So once again, what does your car do 0-60? 1/4 mile?

[Varmint260]

Even then, if you hate risking your engine so much why would you even boost it up to the point of detonation? This would eliminate the need for stupid gauges once again.

Umm, I doubt he's intentionally boosting it to the point where it would run lean and cause detonation. He's just making sure he can tell if it is in the event a component isn't working right.


E: Also, why did you have to be in your face about your car so much and call my car a "failstang"? I didn't just randomly insult your car and call it a failtalon because I don't like it...

I'm guessing it's a light-hearted "post-your-car" thread and some people are taking it too seriously? Let's all be friends!

[Xetsuei]

Umm, I doubt he's intentionally boosting it to the point where it would run lean and cause detonation. He's just making sure he can tell if it is in the event a component isn't working right.



I'm guessing it's a light-hearted "post-your-car" thread and some people are taking it too seriously?

According to what he's saying, he is boosting it a lot, and he's saying THAT's the reason he needs the gauges.

All I can say was, it wasn't me who threw the first punch, I just keep it going until someone wins. This didn't have to be pages and pages of argument, you know.

E: And what's wrong with taking an argument seriously? It's not like in school when in debate class or something when people are arguing the others say "wow they're taking that seriously". Get real.

[Varmint260]

According to what he's saying, he is boosting it a lot, and he's saying THAT's the reason he needs the gauges.

All I can say was, it wasn't me who threw the first punch, I just keep it going until someone wins. This didn't have to be pages and pages of argument, you know.

E: And what's wrong with taking an argument seriously? It's not like in school when in debate class or something when people are arguing the others say "wow they're taking that seriously". Get real.

You've made some valid points. However, let me just clear up a couple things, alright?

One, I have absolutely no problems with taking an argument seriously. That's not what I meant. I mean that he insulted your car. Okay, fine. I just mean that maybe he didn't mean it that seriously. Shit, I said in a previous post that I wonder about people who drive white Fords. I didn't mean it seriously, it was a joke.

And yes, he's boosting it a lot. Could cause damage if done wrong. How do you tell if it has gone wrong? Gauges can tell a lot. Bottom line, Kalub wants more power. Is wanting more power out of a car useless?

I have no beef with either of you. I just thought maybe I could help cool what might just be a misunderstanding. Sorry. I'll back right out now.

[Xetsuei]

You've made some valid points. However, let me just clear up a couple things, alright?

One, I have absolutely no problems with taking an argument seriously. That's not what I meant. I mean that he insulted your car. Okay, fine. I just mean that maybe he didn't mean it that seriously. Shit, I said in a previous post that I wonder about people who drive white Fords. I didn't mean it seriously, it was a joke.

And yes, he's boosting it a lot. Could cause damage if done wrong. How do you tell if it has gone wrong? Gauges can tell a lot. Bottom line, Kalub wants more power. Is wanting more power out of a car useless?

I have no beef with either of you. I just thought maybe I could help cool what might just be a misunderstanding. Sorry. I'll back right out now.

He's called everyone else's Mustangs in this thread failstangs too, and the first time he replied after I posted he called my Mustang a failstang, saying that I have no style, etc, etc.

Yes, that was what resulted from the argument. But the point I presented to him is that gauges won't prevent it, they will only show you what is happening. And no, I do not mean wanting more power is useless.

[Varmint260]

He's called everyone else's Mustangs in this thread failstangs too, and the first time he replied after I posted he called my Mustang a failstang, saying that I have no style, etc, etc.

Yes, that was what resulted from the argument. But the point I presented to him is that gauges won't prevent it, they will only show you what is happening. And no, I do not mean wanting more power is useless.

Alright, alright. My point is just that the gauges show him shit's about to go bad, so HE can prevent damage. That's all. Sorry to make this worse.

[Bodzilla]

nothing wrong with a bit of heated debate on the forums.

ya never know, yas just might learn something.

[Kalub]

I want the componets to monitor my car so I can, ya know, try to prevent it from blowing up. The engine can take the heat, but when you start pushing things you want to be certain you're doing it right.

It's why I have a SAFC to monitor my fuel to air ratio, it's why I have a digital boost guage to monitor my forced air, it's why I have a EGT to monitor how how my engine is truely getting. Everything is there for a reason.

My car is chugged from the factory, the engine can acheive the numbers and it has been done. I wouldn't start blowing smoke up your ass if I wasn't 110% sure it was possible and already done.

And I don't like Mustangs because of this arguement right here, it seems everyone I talk to is just a bigot who thinks my little engine can't do shit. When in fact, my car was designed, built, engineered for Rally Racing.

I however do have respect for some people's car's, like my uncles. He has an older foxbody that he races, and not only does he respect my car, but he enjoys helping people. My dad has a built Pinto, and I helped him build it. My whole family is into racing. I know my shit.

However at this point all my numbers are purely benchracing numbers, since I have never dyno'd or track tested my car. But hey, 0-60 on a car from the 90's with 175K miles on it sounds good to me. It's respectable for sure.




End the end, I have no respect for your car. And I never will.

[Xetsuei]

And I don't like Mustangs because of this arguement right here, it seems everyone I talk to is just a bigot who thinks my little engine can't do shit. When in fact, my car was designed, built, engineered for Rally Racing.

However at this point all my numbers are purely benchracing numbers, since I have never dyno'd or track tested my car. But hey, 0-60 on a car from the 90's with 175K miles on it sounds good to me. It's respectable for sure.

End the end, I have no respect for your car. And I never will.

LOL. Don't try to put this on me. I asked for proof that your engine could achieve numbers like that, and you showed me an engine that's not yours doing it. All I say again is, I won't believe it until I see it, and you certainly haven't shown it.

Designed, built, and engineering for Rally Racing? Uh, only the engine.

And what, you think you're car is not eligible or something for a 0-60 run? Why? Because it's old? My car has 100k miles on it, does better than a brand new 97 GT did.

And no, you have no respect for my car because you just simply don't like it. Our arguments came AFTER you called everyone else's Mustangs failstangs and AFTER you called mine a failstang and said I have no style, etc. Just seems you're mad my car is faster than yours.

[mR_r0b0to]

derpderpderp
i have 2 choices on which i will use for college
03 Accord, looks like dis:
http://images01.olx.com/ui/2/82/24/f_25957824_1.jpeg
or
08 Civic, looks like dis:
http://automobiles.honda.com/images/2008/civic-sedan/customize/base_car/SI_DX_34FRONT.jpg
the accord engine says vtec on it and the civic doesn't
civic looks cooler

i am torn halp

e: also i crashed the civic exactly once, killed the left front axle derpderpderp

[Xetsuei]

Civic, better fuel economy, it's newer, etc.

And even though the engine might not say VTEC on it, it is.

[Mr Buckshot]

derpderpderp
i have 2 choices on which i will use for college
03 Accord, looks like dis:
http://images01.olx.com/ui/2/82/24/f_25957824_1.jpeg
or
08 Civic, looks like dis:
http://automobiles.honda.com/images/2008/civic-sedan/customize/base_car/SI_DX_34FRONT.jpg
the accord engine says vtec on it and the civic doesn't
civic looks cooler

i am torn halp

e: also i crashed the civic exactly once, killed the left front axle derpderpderp

Given that both are used cars, the Civic is a better choice in all aspects except backseat space (but unless you're chauffeuring tall people around all the time, it shouldn't be a problem). Civic does have vtec even if it doesn't say so.

[mR_r0b0to]

the accord engine is more powerful :x

edit: says wikipedia; accord has the k-series, civic has r-series or someshit

[Mr Buckshot]

Accord may have a bigger engine, but it's pulling a bigger car at the same time (only the V6 version really makes a difference). The Civic's four cylinder is quite enough to get it going.

I've driven a Corolla with a 1.5L engine (my driving instructor's car), and it doesn't feel sluggish at all because the Corolla isn't a large sedan. The Civic is the same size and the engine is slightly bigger, it should be fine.

[Xetsuei]

the accord engine is more powerful :x

edit: says wikipedia; accord has the k-series, civic has r-series or someshit

What Buckshot said AND you're going to be a college student right? You're going to be so strapped for cash it won't even be funny. The Civic will help with that because it gets better gas mileage, and is newer so is probably more reliable. You'll spend way less on operating costs of the Civic than the Accord.

[mR_r0b0to]

the mom's paying for fuel :iamafag: (also she thinks the accord is safer hurrf durrf, insisting i use the accord)

im still living with my parents for one more year :neckbeard:

i do want the civic though, looks way cooler

[Matooba]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh222/matooba/2008SaleenBaby.jpg

Thats right a 2008 Saleen I picked up from down south for $33,000. Its worth $49,000.
This car will make you $hit yourself...........

Also has the Glass top roof.

[mR_r0b0to]

daaaayumnnn

[Warsaw]

And it is red...epic win.

[Xetsuei]

Nice!

Got a list of mods it has on it?

[ExAm]

The number of rich kids in this thread is staggering to me :gonk:

[Xetsuei]

The number of rich kids in this thread is staggering to me :gonk:

Or God forbid they bought the cars with their own money. :v:

[ExAm]

Usually people in their teens or early 20s don't have money for this shit unless they got a high paying job and didn't attend college. Somehow.

[Xetsuei]

Usually people in their teens or early 20s don't have money for this shit unless they got a high paying job and didn't attend college. Somehow.

If I'm correct you can't view peoples age anymore, so how would you know they're in their teens/early 20s?

[ExAm]

If I'm correct you can't view peoples age anymore, so how would you know their in their teens/early 20s?
The old Post Your Age thread from some months back. IIRC the vast majority of us are in that age range.

[StankBacon]

The number of rich kids in this thread is staggering to me :gonk:

yah :(

[Xetsuei]

The old Post Your Age thread from some months back. IIRC the vast majority of us are in that age range.

Okay, Matooba is over 21, and DaaxGhost has a high paying job. Who else is there?

[Kalub]

LOL. Don't try to put this on me. I asked for proof that your engine could achieve numbers like that, and you showed me an engine that's not yours doing it. All I say again is, I won't believe it until I see it, and you certainly haven't shown it.

Designed, built, and engineering for Rally Racing? Uh, only the engine.

And what, you think you're car is not eligible or something for a 0-60 run? Why? Because it's old? My car has 100k miles on it, does better than a brand new 97 GT did.

And no, you have no respect for my car because you just simply don't like it. Our arguments came AFTER you called everyone else's Mustangs failstangs and AFTER you called mine a failstang and said I have no style, etc. Just seems you're mad my car is faster than yours.


What more do you want from me? I showed you the engine I have tucked under my hood, you think mine and another one are different? I'm not saying MY engine can do those things. I'm saying the 4g63t has been around for about 20 years and it can do 700-800hp on the stock friggin' block.

Do a google search ya prick.

And I call serious bullshit on your >6scnd 0-60, prove me wrong. :realsmug:

[Warsaw]

Kalub, what car are you talking about? Is it one of the two in you original post on Page 1 or is it something else? In all this pitter patter, I can't for the life of me figure it out, and I went back and reread the whole thread...:gonk:.

[Kalub]

There are virtually no downsides to the Mitsubishi (http://everything2.com/title/Mitsubishi) 4G63 (http://everything2.com/title/4G63) motor. Though various ancillary parts such as cylinder head (http://everything2.com/title/cylinder+head)s, water pump (http://everything2.com/title/water+pump)s, oil cooler (http://everything2.com/title/oil+cooler)s and so on have been played with with over the years in different vehicles, the 4G63 cast-iron (http://everything2.com/title/cast-iron) block (http://everything2.com/title/block) has remained almost the same since it was designed. With upgraded internal such as forged (http://everything2.com/title/forged) piston (http://everything2.com/title/piston)s and connecting rod (http://everything2.com/title/connecting+rod)s, this modestly sized bottom end may be beat on relentlessly, and boost (http://everything2.com/title/boost) levels over 30 psi (http://everything2.com/title/psi) are not uncommonly applied to it in racing. The fact that there exist DSM (http://everything2.com/title/DSM)s capable of 9 seconds and faster in the 1/4 mile is testament to the capability of the 4G63. There are a couple of downsides to the motor, however. The first being the balance shaft (http://everything2.com/title/balance+shaft)s or "silent shafts", which Mitsubishi designed into the motor to reduce engine vibration (http://everything2.com/title/vibration). These exist purely to ensure the comfort of your bottom end while in the driver's seat. The 4G63 was designed with two of these shafts. One of these is in the "front" of the motor, centered with the highest "extent" of the crankshaft (http://everything2.com/title/crankshaft), and is belt driven off a secondary crankshaft sprocket (http://everything2.com/title/sprocket). The other is located directly "behind" the crankshaft in the rear of the motor, and is usually driven by a gear inside the oil pump (http://everything2.com/title/oil+pump). Each shaft has its own bearing (http://everything2.com/title/bearing) surfaces inside the crankcase (http://everything2.com/title/crankcase) on either side of the mains.
The most immediate problem with this design is the belt-driven front balance shaft. This belt is driven by a sprocket located behind the main timing belt sprocket. If this belt breaks, it usually either smacks the timing belt causing it to jump off the sprocket or break it altogether, gifting you with a valve (http://everything2.com/title/valve) replacement job. The second most immediate problem is that since bearing surfaces are subject to wear, if a shaft journal begins to wear abnormally, the shaft may seize in the block and you may again get some bent valves. The common solution in 4G63 tuning circles is to remove the two shafts altogether. Surprisingly, this results in very little increased vibration in a motor that is balance (http://everything2.com/title/balance)d by the machine shop (http://everything2.com/title/machine+shop) before assembly (http://everything2.com/title/assembly).
Around 1994-1995 Mitsubishi began shipping an updated 4G63 block design called the 7-bolt motor (referring to the number of bolts used to attach the flywheel to the crankshaft). There were a couple of subtle changes involving the size of the oil galleries (http://everything2.com/title/oil+galleries) in the block, and integration of the oil squirter (http://everything2.com/title/oil+squirter)s into the bottom end of the cylinder wall (http://everything2.com/title/cylinder+wall)s. After a few years, many owners began to have trouble with premature crankshaft thrust bearing (http://everything2.com/title/thrust+bearing) failure, which caused the crankshaft to develop too much lateral (http://everything2.com/title/lateral) movement inside its caps. Many DSM owners have had their crankshafts and bearings replaced under warranty (http://everything2.com/title/warranty) (many at VERY low mileage numbers). This phenomenon has come to be referred to as crankwalk (http://everything2.com/title/crankwalk), and apparently Mitsubishi has tried very hard to deny that this is a real problem. The reasons for this failure are still not well understood, however the most popular theory has to do with insufficient oil pressure (http://everything2.com/title/oil+pressure) and oiling at the thrust bearing surface itself, which may have to do with the aforementioned changes to the oiling system. Magnus Motorsports (http://everything2.com/title/Magnus+Motorsports) sliced apart several engine blocks and studied the changes in detail, and came to some interesting conclusions, the details of which can be read at http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/crankwalktheory.htm.
The easiest solution for 7-bolt motor owners has been to simply swap in a 6-bolt motor from an earlier vehicle, making the necessary sensor changes where appropriate.

Now stop bitchin' there are countless other websites that say the same thing.

E: @Warsaw, I'm talking about any car that runs the 4g63 engine. There are ton, but the most common ones are the DSM's. Just google DSM.

[Warsaw]

4G63s are good engines mate. Highest amount of horsepower per litre of any production engine.

So the argument is that the 4G63, an in-line 4-cylinder, can't outdo a V8 (I'm assuming 4.6L, don't know much about 90s 'Stangs, since I don't particularly like ones from that era)in a Mustang GT?

[Kalub]

Basically. I'm just trying to tell him that my car isn't some push around. He is denying everything, and claiming that his car can do 0-60 in less than 6seconds with no major mods on it.


I'm just trying to tell him my engine is a powerhouse, and he is talking out his ass and being a prick about it. He understands nothing about a turbocharged car or how to maintain or modify the systems. Calling me a ricer for using gauges to monitor everything my engine does.

[Xetsuei]

What more do you want from me? I showed you the engine I have tucked under my hood, you think mine and another one are different? I'm not saying MY engine can do those things. I'm saying the 4g63t has been around for about 20 years and it can do 700-800hp on the stock friggin' block.

Do a google search ya prick.

And I call serious bullshit on your >6scnd 0-60, prove me wrong. :realsmug:

LOL. You claim it can do 700-800hp and then say do a google search prick.

And sure, this weekend I'll do a 0-60 run on the roads. :v:

[Xetsuei]

4G63s are good engines mate. Highest amount of horsepower per litre of any production engine.

So the argument is that the 4G63, an in-line 4-cylinder, can't outdo a V8 (I'm assuming 4.6L, don't know much about 90s 'Stangs, since I don't particularly like ones from that era)in a Mustang GT?

Yes, but the fact is their forced induction. You can get anything out of any engine if it has a strong block, but the 4G63 has the highest horsepower per litre STOCK. And that barely even matters, because it's coming from one turbo which makes the engine have terrible turbo lag.

No, the argument is FAR from that. The argument is if his car can outperform mine right now.

And it honestly doesn't matter how much horsepower the block can get out, he's just saying it to show how big his e-penis is. If I really wanted to, I could bore out my engine and supercharge it and get 900rwhp, which is like 1100hp crank. He has completely taken this argument in a direction it shouldn't have been taken.

[Xetsuei]

Basically. I'm just trying to tell him that my car isn't some push around. He is denying everything, and claiming that his car can do 0-60 in less than 6seconds with no major mods on it.


I'm just trying to tell him my engine is a powerhouse, and he is talking out his ass and being a prick about it. He understands nothing about a turbocharged car or how to maintain or modify the systems. Calling me a ricer for using gauges to monitor everything my engine does.

LOL, not at all. You called my car a failstang and said your car was tons faster, I said prove it and show me 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, and then you told me how much horsepower your block can put out, and it's come to this. I am not denying it, I am asking for simple proof. Yes, the 7 bolt is weaker than the 6 bolt. No, you have not shown me YOUR engine doing upwards of 300hp.

And also, no major mods on my engine? Are you fucking joking? It has a COMPLETELY different valvetrain than the standard 4.6L V8 that came in the 1997 GT, I bought new heads and cams and had everything tuned so it now has 4 valves per cylinder rather than 2.

Wow, way to be a fucking hypocrite. You act like you're the one getting attacked here, Mr. Failstang. Yes, I know quite a lot about turbo charged cars, you even seemed you didn't know about turbo lag at first or you just didn't bother to mention it. And no, I called you a ricer because you didn't need them since if it happens to your engine those fancy gauges won't make it stop. :downsdance:

[StankBacon]

jesus shut the fuck up you homos.

[Xetsuei]

jesus shut the fuck up you homos.

It's whoever keeps arguing. Kalub has a little man complex with his engine and think it has to beat all the big bad V8s or else his penis will feel small.

[klange]

In an attempt to bring this thread back on topic, come 2011, I'm getting one of these:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Chevrolet_Volt--DC.jpg/800px-Chevrolet_Volt--DC.jpg

[Kalub]

My car came stock with a boost gauge built right into the cluster for a reson. :downs:


I haven't installed the EGT/Wideband yet, I'm collecting up parts. However, they are there for a reason, or will be. If I'm going to push my car I want to know what it's doing, if I see it spike or detonate all I have to do is pull over, pop the hood and turn down the controller. So yea, they do prevent me from fucking shit up. :haw:


You say you can bore yours out, blah blah, and acheive those numbers, requiring countless hours of machine work and money. Whereas I just spend $600 on injectors, a fuel pump, and a bigger turbo and push 300+awhp. More if I go another $600 and get a fmic, and safc. Next to 380+ on stock engine. Oh, and it takes me no less than a day to swap. :realsmug:

And I started this arguement because you really are one of the very people I hate, the bigots that fucking have this huge hardon for a Mustang GT, yet know nothing about any other car than the ones you spend hours daily wikipedia'ing.

Dollar for dollar invested, mine would be quicker than yours. And that's all there is about it, and I'm willing to bet that right now your car does about 8-9seconds 0-60. Not anywhere near what you predict. I'm also willing to bet that you've never even done more to your engine than change the oil.



Prove. Me. Wrong.

[Limited]

Guys! setle it like men, with a drag race fight to the death horse power test, go get it tested and take pic of the test results. To make it more manly put a wager on it heh

Bacon your getting a squashed Honda??

[Kalub]

It's whoever keeps arguing. Kalub has a little man complex with his engine and think it has to beat all the big bad V8s or else his penis will feel small.

Feels like the opposite to me, you know, since you know nothing about cars other than what you've read on Wikipedia. :smugoff:

[Warsaw]

In an attempt to bring this thread back on topic, come 2011, I'm getting one of these:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Chevrolet_Volt--DC.jpg/800px-Chevrolet_Volt--DC.jpg

You went there...

[Kalub]

That's cool, I'm actually looking for a car for the girlly friend. Her buddy got into a '04 WRX and they get all giggly about it. I think I'm gonna go for a Acura MDX or a Dodge SRT-4 for her. (SO I can drive it too :P)


I just don't dig how the newer cars, ie: Ford Fusion, the newer Hondas, Prius, etc are taking this who humpback shape. It's kinda displeasing.

[Xetsuei]

My car came stock with a boost gauge built right into the cluster for a reson. :downs:


I haven't installed the EGT/Wideband yet, I'm collecting up parts. However, they are there for a reason, or will be. If I'm going to push my car I want to know what it's doing, if I see it spike or detonate all I have to do is pull over, pop the hood and turn down the controller. So yea, they do prevent me from fucking shit up. :haw:


You say you can bore yours out, blah blah, and acheive those numbers, requiring countless hours of machine work and money. Whereas I just spend $600 on injectors, a fuel pump, and a bigger turbo and push 300+awhp. More if I go another $600 and get a fmic, and safc. Next to 380+ on stock engine. Oh, and it takes me no less than a day to swap. :realsmug:

And I started this arguement because you really are one of the very people I hate, the bigots that fucking have this huge hardon for a Mustang GT, yet know nothing about any other car than the ones you spend hours daily wikipedia'ing.

Dollar for dollar invested, mine would be quicker than yours. And that's all there is about it, and I'm willing to bet that right now your car does about 8-9seconds 0-60. Not anywhere near what you predict. I'm also willing to bet that you've never even done more to your engine than change the oil.



Prove. Me. Wrong.

You never said the boost monitor was built into the instrument cluster and good, you FINALLY provided good reason and logic to why you're getting the other gauges. See, that wasn't hard now was it?

And nope, to get more horsepower out of mine you don't have to do much of anything. Tune = 25 more hp, intake = 15 more hp, full exhaust = 35 more hp. There, you've gone from 215 to 290 without spending more than $500. I've had it tuned, intake, valvetrain, but I don't know how much the new valves are making the engine do but I know for sure it is more than 300hp. With a full exhaust and not being modest on the power the new valvetrain is doing, probably 350hp. And then, on top of all that, my car is STILL naturally aspirated (better response than your engine, less complication and moving parts), and still has way more torque than your engine.

No, you started this argument because you are a douchebag. I didn't do fucking anything to provoke you, I posted some pictures of my car along with a video and you come along and call it a failstang and say I have no style, as well as calling the other people with Mustang's in this thread failstangs. What the hell is wrong with you? And at least Wikipedia is for the most part reliable and has sources, unlike you. And no, I do not get ALL of my information from Wikipedia by any means. I visit many car forums as well, as well as hang out with real car tuners in RL who actually know what they're talking about.

Dollar for dollar invested? LOL. Now you're saying yours may not be faster but at least you got a better deal? Pathetic. Mine is still faster, and I could of done modifications and made mine WAY better than yours dollar for dollar, but I am doing those later and doing the more important mods first. And no, a stock 1997 GT convertible does 6.5 seconds stock on a 4 speed manual with 2.73 gears. You somehow thing with the mods I've done and more than a hundred horsepower more, it is somehow slower? Get real. And I didn't predict it, I went to the dragstrip on a day where they let people drag their cars and got the numbers there. And now you're accusing me of lying about the things I've done to my car? Sure I didn't install the valvetrain components MYSELF or tune it (Ford dealership did that), but I did install the airfilter. I have checked, and changed both engine oil and transmission oil. There's not much else to do with the car, it's pretty bullet proof.

E: Whoops skipped a page.

[klange]

Bacon your getting a squashed Honda??
I'm not up-to-date on all these new car insults 'cause I don't give a damn about them, but that's a Chevy Volt plug-in hybrid that does 40 miles before using the gas engine (which is just attached to a generator and doesn't directly drive the wheels).

[Xetsuei]

I'm not up-to-date on all these new car insults 'cause I don't give a damn about them, but that's a Chevy Volt plug-in hybrid that does 40 miles before using the gas engine (which is just attached to a generator and doesn't directly drive the wheels).

I don't know if I'm reading this right or not, buy apparently it costs $40k.

http://jalopnik.com/5329672/gms-bob-lutz-on-volts-40k-price-tag-getting-pissed-off-at-toyota

But I guess...props for going American? :X

[Warsaw]

Yeah. It's expensive. If you live in CA, you can get the Honda Clarity, which is a fuel-cell car and is even more pricey...:realsmug:.

[Kalub]

You never said the boost monitor was built into the instrument cluster and good, you FINALLY provided good reason and logic to why you're getting the other gauges. See, that wasn't hard now was it?

I told you fucking two pages ago why I had the guages. Are you that thick?

And nope, to get more horsepower out of mine you don't have to do much of anything. Tune = 25 more hp, intake = 15 more hp, full exhaust = 35 more hp. There, you've gone from 215 to 290 without spending more than $500. I've had it tuned, intake, valvetrain, but I don't know how much the new valves are making the engine do but I know for sure it is more than 300hp. With a full exhaust and not being modest on the power the new valvetrain is doing, probably 350hp. And then, on top of all that, my car is STILL naturally aspirated.

If only, if only... Your car probably doesn't do more than 230hp. You don't get anything near those numbers from simple things like that. The most gain you would get is from the exhaust. And it probably wouldn't be more than 15-20hp.

No, you started this argument because you are a douchebag. I didn't do fucking anything to provoke you, I posted some pictures of my car along with a video and you come along and call it a failstang and say I have no style, as well as calling the other people with Mustang's in this thread failstangs. What the hell is wrong with you? And at least Wikipedia is for the most part reliable and has sources, unlike you. And no, I do not get ALL of my information from Wikipedia by any means. I visit many car forums as well, as well as hang out with real car tuners in RL who actually know what they're talking about.

I've had my hands under the hood of 3 race cars, I've rebuilt the head on my car, I've rebuilt the transmission and carb on my Dad's Pinto with his help. And, I've rebuilt the back axle of his car so it is a Posi. I know my way around cars. I've aslso helped swap 3 other engines, including two d15's or different models, and a 2.3L Merkur TurboCoupe. I know what the hell I'm talking about. I have more knowledge about cars than you do, so stop calling me out on it.

I've rode in a 11 second car, and I know what goes into them considering I helped drop the engine into it. (Not more than lowering the cherry picker, or I would have added it up there)

And I started this arguement because I think your car is LAME. Nothing more, nothing less. I wanted you to prove to me it wasn't, and I've been trying to provoke you into doing so for atleast a day now.

Dollar for dollar invested? LOL. Now you're saying yours may not be faster but at least you got a better deal? Pathetic. Mine is still faster, and I could of done modifications and made mine WAY better than yours dollar for dollar, but I am doing those later and doing the more important mods first. And no, a stock 1997 GT convertible does 6.5 seconds stock on a 4 speed manual with 2.73 gears. You somehow thing with the mods I've done and more than a hundred horsepower more, it is somehow slower? Get real. And I didn't predict it, I went to the dragstrip on a day where they let people drag their cars and got the numbers there. And now you're accusing me of lying about the things I've done to my car? Sure I didn't install the valvetrain components MYSELF or tune it (Ford dealership did that), but I did install the airfilter. I have checked, and changed both engine oil and transmission oil. There's not much else to do with the car, it's pretty bullet proof.

And no, I was saying if we matched budgets, and invested dollar for dollar into our cars, mine would be faster. You really haven't done much to the car. It's practically stock. And do you have the time slip? They do hand those out, even on those days you know.



Still, get a video of you doing 0-60 and time it. I want to see this amazing machine of yours.

[klange]

I don't know if I'm reading this right or not, buy apparently it costs $40k.
So I hear I'm not the one paying for it :realsmug:

[Kalub]

Ouch, that hurts. I'd rather pay $4 a gallon for gas to put in a $15,000 car thanks. :)

[Xetsuei]

Originally Posted by Xetsuei http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/modacity/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=442495#post442495)
X: You never said the boost monitor was built into the instrument cluster and good, you FINALLY provided good reason and logic to why you're getting the other gauges. See, that wasn't hard now was it?

K: I told you fucking two pages ago why I had the guages. Are you that thick?

X: You never put it into those words, instead you insisted on acting retarded and not telling me everything.

X: And nope, to get more horsepower out of mine you don't have to do much of anything. Tune = 25 more hp, intake = 15 more hp, full exhaust = 35 more hp. There, you've gone from 215 to 290 without spending more than $500. I've had it tuned, intake, valvetrain, but I don't know how much the new valves are making the engine do but I know for sure it is more than 300hp. With a full exhaust and not being modest on the power the new valvetrain is doing, probably 350hp. And then, on top of all that, my car is STILL naturally aspirated.

K: If only, if only... Your car probably doesn't do more than 230hp. You don't get anything near those numbers from simple things like that. The most gain you would get is from the exhaust. And it probably wouldn't be more than 15-20hp.

X: And you say you know shit about cars? You're pathetic. Do you REALLY think that with a completely new valvetrain, intake, and a tune my car is doing 230hp? Not only from that can I tell you know barely anything about tuning, I can tell that you're just plain stupid.

X: No, you started this argument because you are a douchebag. I didn't do fucking anything to provoke you, I posted some pictures of my car along with a video and you come along and call it a failstang and say I have no style, as well as calling the other people with Mustang's in this thread failstangs. What the hell is wrong with you? And at least Wikipedia is for the most part reliable and has sources, unlike you. And no, I do not get ALL of my information from Wikipedia by any means. I visit many car forums as well, as well as hang out with real car tuners in RL who actually know what they're talking about.

K: I've had my hands under the hood of 3 race cars, I've rebuilt the head on my car, I've rebuilt the transmission and carb on my Dad's Pinto with his help. And, I've rebuilt the back axle of his car so it is a Posi. I know my way around cars. I've aslso helped swap 3 other engines, including two d15's or different models, and a 2.3L Merkur TurboCoupe. I know what the hell I'm talking about. I have more knowledge about cars than you do, so stop calling me out on it.

I've rode in a 11 second car, and I know what goes into them considering I helped drop the engine into it. (Not more than lowering the cherry picker, or I would have added it up there)

And I started this arguement because I think your car is LAME. Nothing more, nothing less. I wanted you to prove to me it wasn't, and I've been trying to provoke you into doing so for atleast a day now.

X: Proof? LOL. But even then, whoop de fucking do. You've driven a Talon which you think is a race car. And you think because you've rebuilt things you somehow magically know more about tuning and how much power the parts actually do? No. It just means you know how to rebuild them, good for you.

And way to flaunt your penis "HURF DURF I KNOW MORE ABOUT CARS THAN YOU :downsdance:". Well, you certainly haven't shown it. Instead you've acted like an arrogant douchebag.

And yes, I've rode in an 11 second car too. Does that mean you know what goes into it? No. Again, whoop de fucking do, you helped them put an engine to it. When I was 6 I helped my mom bake a cake, but I still had no idea what happened when the cake baked.

You started this argument because you're a douchebag. In all honesty, most of the cars in this thread I think are lame. But do I just go around starting random arguments? NO. Prove to you it isn't? How do I prove something to someone as thick skulled and arrogant as you?

X: Dollar for dollar invested? LOL. Now you're saying yours may not be faster but at least you got a better deal? Pathetic. Mine is still faster, and I could of done modifications and made mine WAY better than yours dollar for dollar, but I am doing those later and doing the more important mods first. And no, a stock 1997 GT convertible does 6.5 seconds stock on a 4 speed manual with 2.73 gears. You somehow thing with the mods I've done and more than a hundred horsepower more, it is somehow slower? Get real. And I didn't predict it, I went to the dragstrip on a day where they let people drag their cars and got the numbers there. And now you're accusing me of lying about the things I've done to my car? Sure I didn't install the valvetrain components MYSELF or tune it (Ford dealership did that), but I did install the airfilter. I have checked, and changed both engine oil and transmission oil. There's not much else to do with the car, it's pretty bullet proof.

K: And no, I was saying if we matched budgets, and invested dollar for dollar into our cars, mine would be faster. You really haven't done much to the car. It's practically stock. And do you have the time slip? They do hand those out, even on those days you know.

X: You're completely guessing that, because you know nothing about Mustangs and I just told you that for LESS money I can make my car be better than yours, which you can't seem to accept. And no, they did not hand out time slips.Still, get a video of you doing 0-60 and time it. I want to see this amazing machine of yours.

And sure, I'll do it. But you still haven't shown me your car is even faster than a stock Mustang, why don't you do a 0-60 video? Afraid that your car is slower than mine? :realsmug:

[Warsaw]

90s Mustangs and 90s Eclipses booth look lame, because they are 90s cars, and thus are completely non-descript; cars from the 80s had more flare. However, does that mean they are lame? No.

/argument

I win. :haw:

=þ

[Kalub]

I'll do one when I get ahold of a camera. It won't be any problem.




And actually, those d15 swaps started in a crate. A friend and I assembled them in automotives class and then swapped them in. I can build engines, which tells me I know alot, more than you for sure.


And actually I'm not guessing that. Since, I can take $1000 and run high 11's on a stock engine, from '90.

I don't know how you want me to prove anything since, you won't believe it anyways. Your in some sort of denial or something.

Anyways, I'm done. I've come to realize you know nothing about your car, and you're not open enough to even listen to me. If you wanna go ahead and prove me wrong. Till then I'm just gonna walk away now. I've told you everything, and told you were to go to find my sources and proof. If you are too ignornant to do that then I don't even care to argue anymore.

[Kalub]

@Warsaw, screw the 80's :P My brother has one of them thar 88 Mustangs with the 2.3L Turbo engine in it. I hate fastbacks, lol.


I'm kidding, anything from the 60-90's looks fine. Except for Camaros.... sad day there

[Xetsuei]

I'll do one when I get ahold of a camera. It won't be any problem.

And actually, those d15 swaps started in a crate. A friend and I assembled them in automotives class and then swapped them in. I can build engines, which tells me I know alot, more than you for sure.

And actually I'm not guessing that. Since, I can take $1000 and run high 11's on a stock engine, from '90.

I don't know how you want me to prove anything since, you won't believe it anyways. Your in some sort of denial or something.

Anyways, I'm done. I've come to realize you know nothing about your car, and you're not open enough to even listen to me. If you wanna go ahead and prove me wrong. Till then I'm just gonna walk away now. I've told you everything, and told you were to go to find my sources and proof. If you are too ignornant to do that then I don't even care to argue anymore.

Yeah, but it will be slower than my Mustang, which is the whole thing we were supposed to be arguing about. :v:

And again, whoop de fucking do, you can build an engine. But you continue to show that somehow you still know absolutely nothing about them. Kind of interesting if you ask me. You seem to think that because you know how to build an engine you automatically know how much horsepower new intake, valvetrain, and a tune would give my engine when you are not even experienced on my engine and know NOTHING about my engine. Get real. The only engine you're experienced in is yours which you have to boost to hell and back just to get 300hp out of it, while my engine is naturally aspirated and needs hardly anything to get to 300hp, and I'd like to mention again still has WAY more of what actually matters, TORQUE.

And yes, you are guessing it. Again, I want proof that you can do high 11s for $1000 of mods, and you've shown me NONE of it.

So far, you've only provided ONE piece of ACTUAL proof for a thing that you've said, and that's that the 6 bolt engines are stronger than the 7 bolts. For everything else, you've resorted to linking me to random websites and telling me to search for hours until I find what you're talking about. I am in denial by no means, but you certainly are.

I know nothing about my car? Lmfao, how do you figure that? You like to manipulate things because you still have a little man complex about your engine, and you can't accept that my Mustang is faster. I listen to you, the stuff that you say is true and provide proof for anyway. The things you make up though? Nope. And I am by no means ignorant to do it, I just don't like searching for hours on random sites that are
1)Random sites
2)Probably won't even contain the information
3)Are about cars I don't even like.

And I know that even though you say you're done, you aren't. You'll probably continue arguing.

[Kalub]

Fuck, me, sideways.





Seriously? I told you where to go, to a website that has been around for 20+ years, full of knowledgable people who can tell you the size of any bolt on the damn car.

I told you I was done, so unless you go about proving me wrong. I think your Failstang™ will always be a Failstang™. SO there. :gonk:




If anyone wants to dig up anything on what I've said and prove me wrong, go for it. Until then, don't just deny it. Kthx (It makes you look stupid, and voids the process of an argument.)

[Xetsuei]

Fuck, me, sideways.

Seriously? I told you where to go, to a website that has been around for 20+ years, full of knowledgable people who can tell you the size of any bolt on the damn car.

I told you I was done, so unless you go about proving me wrong. I think your Failstang™ will always be a Failstang™. SO there. :gonk:

If anyone wants to dig up anything on what I've said and prove me wrong, go for it. Until then, don't just deny it. Kthx (It makes you look stupid, and voids the process of an argument.)

Yes, but you think I will search for hours to try and find something that might not even be there. Why is it so hard to find the link yourself if you're so knowledgeable of the site? Hmm?

And no, you still aren't done because you're continuing to argue. And no, my Mustang is still miles better than your ricey little talon with it's tiny 4banger engine and it's incredibly generic looks. I don't have to prove my Mustang isn't a bad car to you, because I could care less about your opinion of my car because to me and a lot of other people you're a complete douchebag.

And nice job making that last little bit up "voids the process of an argument" rofl. I again don't see why it's so hard for you to find the information if you know the site front and back. I've already listed the reasons why I won't go through it.

E: Wow, is it over? Fucking finally.

[Kalub]

Well, I'm still waiting for those videos. Prove me wrong. :golfclap:





I have money bet RL with my Dad that your car doesn't do less than 6seconds 0-60. So don't fail me.

[Xetsuei]

Well, I'm still waiting for those videos. Prove me wrong. :golfclap:





I have money bet RL with my Dad that your car doesn't do less than 6seconds 0-60. So don't fail me.

Weekend, if at all. And did you bet that my car could do it or that it can't?

[Kalub]

Can't.



$15 ridin' on it. :woop:

[Xetsuei]

Can't.



$15 ridin' on it. :woop:

But if I don't do it you know that means that it doesn't prove my car can't do it, and if I do do it then it proves my car can. So there's no way you would get $15 either way, stupid bet from a stupid person I guess.

[Kalub]

Acutally, if you don't do it then I lose nothing, it just shows than you can't backup what shit you've stirred. If you do, however, and you get less than 6 seconds then I'm out $15. If you fail, then he's out $15 bucks.



I made the bet with my dad, this is his car, he doesn't think you can do it either. :neckbeard: (Either way a friendly wager, which will be my track entry fee sometime soon, was made.)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/kellten/l_cbef36548cd210ff5f7d4e290ace7804.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/kellten/l_a8afdd9f3765a057328073ede4540317.jpg






Go ahead, put out or get out. Either way I find it amusing.



E: I'm actually planning a trip with him and my brother to a strip, so I'll get back to you with pictures of timeslips on our cars. I tried to record a 0-60 in my car, but it's hard because I have to shift. (Real men drive manual, ask PenGuin)

[Xetsuei]

Acutally, if you don't do it then I lose nothing, it just shows than you can't backup what shit you've stirred. If you do, however, and you get less than 6 seconds then I'm out $15. If you fail, then he's out $15 bucks.

I made the bet with my dad, this is his car, he doesn't think you can do it either. :neckbeard: (Either way a friendly wager, which will be my track entry fee sometime soon, was made.)

Go ahead, put out or get out. Either way I find it amusing.

E: I'm actually planning a trip with him and my brother to a strip, so I'll get back to you with pictures of timeslips on our cars. I tried to record a 0-60 in my car, but it's hard because I have to shift. (Real men drive manual, ask PenGuin)

All the shit I've stirred? Are you fucking INSANE? You started ALL of this, do not EVER try to blame any of it on me. And you STILL have yet to prove your piece of shit 4banger can even outrun my Mustang stock, if you'll remember it was YOU that said your car could beat mine, yet you continue to ignore this and try to bring it all upon me. I will hold up my end of the deal, can you?

And for once in your entire life can you not act like a complete asshole? Again, what the hell is wrong with you? Did a Mustang hit you? I just have two words, grow up.

And by the way, even my Mustang automatic is still WAY manlier then your ricey little 4banger. And no, mount the camera somewhere in the car smartass, but it would be hilarious to see you use an excuse that you were holding your camera as to a reason it's not as fast as my Mustang. And I would have a manual in my car but
1)It came with an automatic when I bought it at $2000, and the car in as good of a condition as it is in should have been sold for $7000, so I took it while I could.
2)I will buy a manual transmission for it when I have the time and the money to do it.

And even then, I might not be able to find an open drag strip, and I sure as hell am not going to do it on the local roads.

E: Or I could be lazy and not do it at all because I don't care if some random douchebag on the internet doesn't think my car can get a sub 6 second 0-60. We'll just have to find out.

[ExAm]

This is getting out of hand. Is ExAm gonna have to choke a bitch lock a thread?

[Kalub]

Told you that your car was a peice of shit, (Which it is) and that mine was better. You had an meltdown and fell for the trollbait saying it was all this and that, so I called you on it.

Now, I just said I was going to the strip soon, and that your pussy car would be funding said trip didn't I? I even said I'd show you track slips slower or not, I can eat my words, can you?

Now are you going to put out, or get out. And don't pull that open roads bullshit with me, find somewhere to do it. It's not hard, and 0-60 shouldn't take you more than 1/8th mile. :downs:



(Oh, just got off the phone with the brother, he read the thread and said the same thing. Only problem is, he didn't want to bet and lose his money. :ohdear:)



Anyways, I'll probably get around to the track probably next weekend. We need to swap out the heater core on the Pinto, and my brother needs some help building some mounts for a FMIC to go on his machine. Hope to see you don't back out. :realsmug:

[Xetsuei]

Told you that your car was a peice of shit, (Which it is) and that mine was better. You had an meltdown and fell for the trollbait saying it was all this and that, so I called you on it.

Now, I just said I was going to the strip soon, and that your pussy car would be funding said trip didn't I? I even said I'd show you track slips slower or not, I can eat my words, can you?

Now are you going to put out, or get out. And don't pull that open roads bullshit with me, find somewhere to do it. It's not hard, and 0-60 shouldn't take you more than 1/8th mile. :downs:



(Oh, just got off the phone with the brother, he read the thread and said the same thing. Only problem is, he didn't want to bet and lose his money. :ohdear:)



Anyways, I'll probably get around to the track probably next weekend. We need to swap out the heater core on the Pinto, and my brother needs some help building some mounts for a FMIC to go on his machine. Hope to see you don't back out. :realsmug:

Troll bait? So now you admit you are trolling? Just further proves my point that you are a complete asshole and need to grow up. And no, my car is still far better. Better engine, interior, reliability, luxury, speed, mostly everything. I had a meltdown? What are you even talking about? Quit making things up.

And you have to realize, I'M 15. I have to always get someone to ride in the car with me, and go places. So not only does it depend on if I have time to do it, but it depends on if THEY have time to do it. My parents also pay for mostly everything on my car, so again it's up to them really. And also, I'm not an asshole that disregards everyone's safety so I don't speed (well, not 10mph faster) on local roads.

I'm honestly not believing any of this brother-father stuff either. I don't know if you're trying to put pressure on me or something, but it's just stupid. "HURF DURF I BET MY DAD YOUR CAR CANT DO SHIT". Quite pathetic if you ask me.

[ExAm]

By bye car thread. I might clean it out and reopen it later, but for now, it's closed. All arguments should be done through PMs only.

[Kalub]

Don't touch my thread.




You're 15?! Holy shit, no wonder you don't know anything. Anyways, I haven't made anything up, and even though you have to get parental approval to drive "your" car, I'm still going to have my fun.


I'll be back with some vids and stuff of my trip, when I go.


And seriously, argument was lulz worthy. Every one I show it to thinks so.