Goodbye home of the free.... (Cash for Clunkers and Car Dealer PCs) [Archive]

legionaire45

August 18th, 2009, 01:30 AM

A) The fact that this only applies to the dealer's computers seems to have completely escaped these idiots. (note: I like how he mentioned that only once and so fast that you wouldn't notice it unless you either already knew or had seen the clip multiple times)
B) Funny how little things like blatant disregard for individual rights, privacy and human rights apparently don't matter when a Republican is in power.
C) Some of the Democratic media was just as bad as this back when said Republican was in power. I haven't watched the news in a while - I imagine it hasn't changed much except for being overly positive.

In short - the media are political whores, ignore them.

I hate politics.

btw OP, Protip: Communism is an economic system, not a political system.

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 01:35 AM

C) Some of the Democratic media was just as bad as this back when said Republican was in power. I haven't watched the news in a while - I imagine it hasn't changed much except for being overly positive.
Naw, they just rag on Obama now.

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 01:37 AM

A) The fact that this only applies to the dealer's computers seems to have completely escaped these idiots. (note: I like how he mentioned that only once and so fast that you wouldn't notice it unless you either already knew or had seen the clip multiple times)

I didn't even hear him say it.. in fact, I was on Cars.gov trying to figure out where he was until I finally realized that the dealer pages are the only ones that are blue.

C) Some of the Democratic media was just as bad as this back when said Republican was in power. I haven't watched the news in a while - I imagine it hasn't changed much except for being overly positive.

I don't really watch the news my self, but honestly you are correct to an extent. We didn't(/don't) blatantly lie like Fox news does, but we were(/are) definitely biased. :downs:

Sel

August 18th, 2009, 01:39 AM

lol

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 01:58 AM

God republicans are hilarious. Seriously, click on 1 or 2 of the other videos and prepare to laugh.

Boba

August 18th, 2009, 02:07 AM

hey dane hows it going

im glad to hear that job at the asylum worked out

musicman888

August 18th, 2009, 02:48 AM

Are you fucking serious, its fox news, actually its fucking glen beck.:saddowns:
If you honestly believe what that dumbass says I suggest you go kill yourself, in order to avoid your seed to soil our precious gene pool more.

I don't believe it until things are cleared up. I merely posted this to bring this up that it MIGHT be true and not saying that it is true. Therefore I do not in fact believe in this rumor, of that which is merely a rumor at this stage, and unless it turns out to be really true, only then will I believe it. In addition, I believe that I will not therefore go kill myself. If you at all assumed that I did believe by my merely posting it then I hope that you do not do that on every post that is made here on these forums. If you also base all your suggestions of one killing his or her self to "avoid [person's] sees to soil our precious gene pool" and if you do make this assumption for every little news/discussion post that is posted here, then are you not implying for all those people to go kill themselves?

In the end, as I digressed, I do not believe this and merely posted this for discussions and to bring this rumor to awareness of everyone here.

Thank you and have a great day.

EDIT: If you have beef with me about this post then take it up with me on PM's unless you really want other people involved. Thank you.

legionaire45

August 18th, 2009, 02:53 AM

Then you might as well be banned for spamming since all you are doing is advertising for this loon's show.

Funny. I find it odd that you say that you don't believe this, considering your thread title seems pretty damn opinionated.

Thank you, for giving me another reason to doubt that humanity is going to survive as a species past the year 2100. Have a wonderful day.

jcap

August 18th, 2009, 02:57 AM

Where is the other thread of this?

Also, probably just covering their asses so they have some leverage in any case where they might suspect massive fraud with the cars program.

neuro

August 18th, 2009, 03:09 AM

i doubt half the people who throw a shitfit about it even know what communism MEANS tbh.

they're all just indoctrinated to yell OMG COMMUNIST BATARDS!

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 03:20 AM

i doubt half the people who throw a shitfit about it even know what communism MEANS tbh.

they're all just indoctrinated to yell OMG COMMUNIST BATARDS!
Shut up you commie.

legionaire45

August 18th, 2009, 03:30 AM

Fucking communists and your 1984 novels and your soviet coca cola.

Aerowyn

August 18th, 2009, 03:38 AM

I rolled my eyes when I saw the thread title.

.... but I fucking lol'd when I saw the video. Seriously? Glenn Beck is nothing more than an overstuffed windbag.

The thing you need to understand is that the website that he is trying to access is for CAR DEALERS. Not the average American.

teh lag

August 18th, 2009, 11:08 AM

Yeah, this is the third thread we have had on this. And every time, the poster has neglected to realize that this is for CAR DEALERS. It makes PERFECT SENSE for this to happen to CAR DEALERS' computers, as the Federal Government is overseeing Cash for Clunkers and thus needs some way to keep tabs on the CAR DEALERS involved in it.

This is fearmongering and nothing more.

jcap

August 18th, 2009, 11:13 AM

And the same people who are suddenly "OH MY GOD HOW CAN THEY DO THIS SPYING ON US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" are the same people who advocated all those government spying and wiretap bills, calling anyone against it a terrorist and asking, "why be afraid if you have nothing to hide?"

kid908

August 18th, 2009, 11:28 AM

wasn't this in the youtube thread and had its own thread?

Also WTF is American doing to their citizens? How can anyone miss the fact that it's CARS.gov?

Rentafence

August 18th, 2009, 01:24 PM

How can anyone miss the fact that it's CARS.gov?

What are you on about?

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 01:28 PM

wasn't this in the youtube thread and had its own thread?

Also WTF is American doing to their citizens? How can anyone miss the fact that it's CARS.gov?
Eh? No ingles?

kid908

August 18th, 2009, 01:37 PM

What are you on about?

It for one said it's for car dealers on the website and two. it's cars.gov... not hard to figure out this isn't for a regular American.

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 01:41 PM

It for one said it's for car dealers on the website and two. it's cars.gov... not hard to figure out this isn't for a regular American.
Oh, that makes sense.

Me KS

August 18th, 2009, 02:45 PM

COMMUNISM IS INHERENTLY EVIL ALL COMMUNISTS ARE EVIL AND WANT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD DO YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR FREEDOM? DO YOU WANT TO LOSE EVERYTHING YOU'VE WORKED FOR?

- assorted idiots, 1933-2009

Tell that to my parents who were born and raised to adulthood in Communist Cuba. Try and convince them that Communism is a good government system. Let's see how far you get. Go ahead and call them a member of your "assorted idiots" club.

i doubt half the people who throw a shitfit about it even know what communism MEANS tbh.

they're all just indoctrinated to yell OMG COMMUNIST BATARDS!

Tell that to my parents, who were indoctrinated to praise Castro and the Communist Revolution in Cuba or be taken from their homes in the middle of the night and either jailed or killed.

Are you fucking serious, its fox news, actually its fucking glen beck.:saddowns:
If you honestly believe what that dumbass says I suggest you go kill yourself, in order to avoid your seed to soil our precious gene pool more.

According to you, my parents and I should go kill ourselves to cleanse the gene pool. How nice of you. Thanks.

See, the problem with some of you guys is not that you have a liberal viewpoint. I respect completely the fact that you guys have a different opinion, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with your viewpoint.

But, you declare your viewpoint like it was the Law and do it in such an angry and frustrated manner that conveys unnecessary hatred and disgust.

Ironically, all of your opinions are formed on the basis of improving society and making a better world for all, yet you're all implying that those who think differently than you are inferior and don't deserve respect. Well, that's counterproductive to your goal, isn't it?

In essence, you have no respect for those who share a different opinion and you degrade them as equals to the dirt that you step on every day.

For example, you don't even consider the fact that Fox News might be a valid News station. You think of them as a bunch of brainwashing liars, and nothing anyone will say can change that.

The real reason you think they're invalid sources of information is because they are the one national news station that shares a different viewpoint. Am I wrong? Name another National News station that tailors to those who share the conservative viewpoint.

All the other News stations tailor to those who share the liberal viewpoint, and so none of you complain about them. It's pretty simple.

Let me tell you, I am no hypocrite either. I've done plenty of consideration for the Liberal viewpoint, and I am convinced completely that it is not the way to go. That doesn't mean I bash and spew hatred about those who share that viewpoint.

That is all I have to say. Flame me if you want, I really don't care. In fact, I would enjoy it. Any name-calling or degrading of me or my viewpoint is just more ammunition to fuel my argument and you're only helping me and hurting yourself.

However, respectful disagreement is a different story.

For the record, I'm not referring to all of you. Note that I said "some of you".

Jean-Luc

August 18th, 2009, 02:49 PM

The only reason we bash Fox News so often is because we've seen their bias and distortions so many times that we cannot take them credibly. The whole "Mass Effect Sexbox" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0kdm7fg804) story is a fine example. I will not argue, however, that all the other news stations, especially the liberal ones, are unbiased either.

Truth be told, and as pessimistic as it sounds, I don't really trust any news station. Every single one I've seen is biased to one degree or another, and I'm not getting the information I'd like to hear.

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 02:51 PM

Except that it came out that Fox bought stories directly from the Press secretary under Bush. I dont care if thats a slanted viewpoint, if your found to be a liar, your a liar.

And we weren't saying that communism wan't bad, we were saying that this isn't communism, in fact it has nothing to do with communism. If anything its fascism :downs:

king_nothing_

August 18th, 2009, 03:01 PM

Cojafoji

August 18th, 2009, 03:21 PM

I love how that chick in the beginning has that cross right in the middle of those two bouncing dirty pillows.

fantastic.

Rosco

August 18th, 2009, 03:22 PM

goodbye home of the free for car dealers

um,

CN3089

August 18th, 2009, 03:29 PM

Inherently evil? No. Inherently Goddamn terrible idea? Yeah.

Communism is the best form of government ever conceived, the soviets just fucked it up. Hope this helps (before we send you to the gulags)! :allears:

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM

Communism is the best form of government ever conceived, the soviets just fucked it up. Hope this helps (before we send you to the gulags)! :allears:
And everybody else who has tried it :allears:

btw OP, Protip: Communism is an economic system, not a political system.

Communism is a full government system. Socialism is the economic system of Communism.

Giving too much power to the government is a terrible idea. Eventually some fucktard is going to come around and abuse his fucking power and do something incredibly stupid. Thats not to hard to believe based on how stupid the americain public is today.

Me KS

August 18th, 2009, 04:45 PM

Communism is the best form of government ever conceived, the soviets just fucked it up. Hope this helps (before we send you to the gulags)! :allears:

It is true that communism in its ideal has never been put into practice properly.

However, there's a reason for that. It is nothing but a dream. A Utopia that is very hard if not impossible to achieve with human nature.

Imagine having absolutely no real possessions. You have to share everything you "own" with everyone.

Imagine a life where nobody has any more than anyone else. Everyone has the same house and "possessions" which technically belong to everybody. How boring would that be?

Communism revolves around cooperation vs. Capitalism revolves around competition, right?

Yet, human nature encourages competition! Competition is what keeps us alive! It's our animal instincts at work. If we ever had to give up competition completely in society, we would be massively unsatisfied.

Cooperation is all fine and dandy in our lives and happens frequently. It's not a bad thing. However, it's balanced out by competition in our lives.

Imagine never being able to "win" just for the sake of equality. Everyone likes winning, don't they? You might say, "yeah, well losing sucks balls and at least you wouldn't lose!" Well, losing is a part of life, and an attempt to get rid of that is essentially impossible. How can you learn from mistakes if you never "lose"?

Our Human Nature will never change. Deep down, we still have our animal instincts. Although we have become more civilized, we still satisfy our instincts in different ways. Forcing ourselves to change these instincts is like forcing ourselves to walk with our hands for the rest of our lives.

On paper, communism seems great. Not so much in reality. Capitalism may not be perfect, but the competition that it encourages is exactly what gives life variety and excitement. It gives us challenges. It forces us to work for what we want and not sit on our butt and get it for free. This, above all, is why I believe communism would fail.

Do you really want to live in a clone society?

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 04:49 PM

:words:
Man, your just a constant downer aren't ya?

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 04:51 PM

Man, your just a constant downer aren't ya?
Because its true.

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 05:14 PM

Because its true.
Shh... They'll hear you...

musicman888

August 18th, 2009, 05:18 PM

It's been interesting monitoring this thread and seeing the many responses directed not only at myself, but also at other people who have been posting in this thread.And all of you have presented many valid points.

I know I have not been posting much in this thread since I made the initial post at the first page of this thread.

Yes I know most of everyone here views FOX News and Glenn Beck as a pompous windbag but maybe I do not. Maybe I believe, to a point, things that he presents to the nation just like any of you believe any other news network to a point.

Anyways, as far fetched as this newscast may sound, what if it is true? What if everything that Glenn Beck mentioned is true and the government is indeed doing this. I feel like my privacy has been violated and anything personal has been taken away from me. The sad part is that the government has this all shrouded in legal terms to where they can actually do this legally without any downsides on their part. To me this seems like a very bad move on the governments part and there is nothing that we can do about it. NOTHING. And that makes me sick!

On the off chance that this is indeed a hoax and none of it is true then it proves that one should never believe wholeheartedly something that is presented on the news these days, no matter how much one trusts the news network.

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 05:39 PM

Look, heres what Im saying. The government is searching dealer's computers for files. Why you ask? Because they're worried that the dealer's are re-selling the engines from the clunkers. Under the bill that made the cash for clunkers thing happen, you have to destroy the engines and the rest of the vehicle gets recycled. The big worry is that the dealers would be recieving the cars and then going and selling them right back for massive profits. If a truck sells for 15000, and all you give someone who turns it in is a government check, and then you sell it, you get profit. So the government is trying to prevent this. I'm really surprised that the government is even including a warning, but its good at the same time. Bout time that the government tells us whats going on.

SnaFuBAR

August 18th, 2009, 06:45 PM

It is true that communism in its ideal has never been put into practice properly.

However, there's a reason for that. It is nothing but a dream. A Utopia that is very hard if not impossible to achieve with human nature.

Imagine having absolutely no real possessions. You have to share everything you "own" with everyone.

Imagine a life where nobody has any more than anyone else. Everyone has the same house and "possessions" which technically belong to everybody. How boring would that be?

Communism revolves around cooperation vs. Capitalism revolves around competition, right?

Yet, human nature encourages competition! Competition is what keeps us alive! It's our animal instincts at work. If we ever had to give up competition completely in society, we would be massively unsatisfied.

Cooperation is all fine and dandy in our lives and happens frequently. It's not a bad thing. However, it's balanced out by competition in our lives.

Imagine never being able to "win" just for the sake of equality. Everyone likes winning, don't they? You might say, "yeah, well losing sucks balls and at least you wouldn't lose!" Well, losing is a part of life, and an attempt to get rid of that is essentially impossible. How can you learn from mistakes if you never "lose"?

Our Human Nature will never change. Deep down, we still have our animal instincts. Although we have become more civilized, we still satisfy our instincts in different ways. Forcing ourselves to change these instincts is like forcing ourselves to walk with our hands for the rest of our lives.

On paper, communism seems great. Not so much in reality. Capitalism may not be perfect, but the competition that it encourages is exactly what gives life variety and excitement. It gives us challenges. It forces us to work for what we want and not sit on our butt and get it for free. This, above all, is why I believe communism would fail.

Do you really want to live in a clone society?

Do you have anything to say other than bawww cuba bawww communism? ever since you've been on this site, all of your posts have been about it. What's your objective for being here?

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 06:52 PM

Its just being used as an example and he's using his experiences under a communist government and that its not good.

There are several prime examples arround the world and throughout history as to why communism and socialism do not work. Why would we want anything that resembles it here?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/5816377/Is_Britain_going_bankrupt/

Look at Great Britain for example, They are almost bankrupt.

CN3089

August 18th, 2009, 06:53 PM

You'll be the first up against the wall, Disaster. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-commissar.gif

e: also you're in america you shouldn't be making fun of other countries for going bankrupt brah

TVTyrant

August 18th, 2009, 07:04 PM

e: also you're in america you shouldn't be making fun of other countries for going bankrupt brah
Naw, we should be making fun of other countries for their weak militaries :allears:

Also, we wouldn't be bankrupt if someone would vote yes on a fucking tax increase. Start taxing the rich nao so we can build moar F-22s!

PopeAK49

August 18th, 2009, 07:31 PM

Naw, we should be making fun of other countries for their weak militaries :allears:

That is sooo last century. :haw:

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 08:15 PM

There are several prime examples arround the world and throughout history as to why communism and socialism do not work. Why would we want anything that resembles it here?
*facepalm* Sure, there are examples to it not working, but there are also examples where socialistic principles help greatly. Some of which are American.

Now for a trip back in time.

See, the problem with some of you guys is not that you have a liberal viewpoint.
See the problem with you guys is that you make liberal out to be a bad word.

But, you declare your viewpoint like it was the Law and do it in such an angry and frustrated manner that conveys unnecessary hatred and disgust.
Oh, sorry, I must have misread that. I thought you were talking about liberals there for a second.

Ironically, all of your opinions are formed on the basis of improving society and making a better world for all, yet you're all implying that those who think differently than you are inferior and don't deserve respect. Well, that's counterproductive to your goal, isn't it?
Yes that's exactly what the Conservatives do. Sucks, don't it?

In essence, you have no respect for those who share a different opinion and you degrade them as equals to the dirt that you step on every day.

Dear God, you really don't know what you are talking about do you?

For example, you don't even consider the fact that Fox News might be a valid News station. You think of them as a bunch of brainwashing liars, and nothing anyone will say can change that.

Well, they are. In fact, I've been to that channel twice aside from youtube clips, and both times they have flat out lied to make them look better and us liberals look like assholes.

The real reason you think they're invalid sources of information is because they are the one national news station that shares a different viewpoint. Am I wrong? Name another National News station that tailors to those who share the conservative viewpoint.
You do know that Glen Beck used to work for CNN, right? He moved to Fox where he decided to show his real colors.
http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/08/BeckCrying_1f6ab.jpg
An insane idiot.

All the other News stations tailor to those who share the liberal viewpoint, and so none of you complain about them. It's pretty simple.
Well, they attempt to help out the conservatives as well but honestly, that never works out for them.

Let me tell you, I am no hypocrite either. I've done plenty of consideration for the Liberal viewpoint, and I am convinced completely that it is not the way to go. That doesn't mean I bash and spew hatred about those who share that viewpoint.
I'm going to guess that your "consideration" had been the biased view that Fox has to offer? I doubt you talked to a liberal in an attempt to understand our side.

That is all I have to say. Flame me if you want, I really don't care. In fact, I would enjoy it. Any name-calling or degrading of me or my viewpoint is just more ammunition to fuel my argument and you're only helping me and hurting yourself.

However, respectful disagreement is a different story.

For the record, I'm not referring to all of you. Note that I said "some of you".
I wouldn't consider this post Flaming. I'm just disagreeing with you on a political matter.

Here's your gun, fully loaded for you. Have fun. But realize that it's the same way towards me, I'll have much more ammo after you respond to all of my points.

PS: Sorry if I messed anything up here, I had to type this in a rush.

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM

*facepalm* Sure, there are examples to it not working, but there are also examples where socialistic principles help greatly. Some of which are American.

Now for a trip back in time.

E: I take that back. Socialism is highly successful on small scales. However, WHen you begin to implement huge projects, it begins to fail.

CN3089

August 18th, 2009, 08:26 PM

I'd love to hear about these principles that have actually benefited us :allears:

isn't it great having non-privatized police, firefighting and military service? :allears:

e: social security too

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 08:28 PM

I'd love to hear about these principles that have actually benefited us :allears:
Sure, ignore the rest of my post.

Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Military Programs... the list can go on.

edit: Oh, and all of Kyons post. Cant believe I actually forgot about those...

And to go along with the trend... :allears:

edit 2: So you just edit out your post rather than respond? Oh, well, two of us have it quoted.

E: I take that back. Socialism is highly successful on small scales. However, WHen you begin to implement huge projects, it begins to fail.
Most of those are not that much smaller than Universal Health Care and other such programs.
"Universal" probably doesn't help that point.
Oh, and if you want to get in a conversation about the Health Care Reform, I have multiple examples having to do with my Nephews that will blow your mind(if you are a sane, functioning member of society).

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 08:34 PM

Sure, ignore the rest of my post.

Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Military Programs... the list can go on.

edit: Oh, and all of Kyons post. Cant believe I actually forgot about those...

And to go along with the trend... :allears:

The above bold have either failed already or are on a track of failure. :allears:

I admit the military, police, firefighting are successful and beneficial.

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 08:35 PM

The above bold have either failed already or are on a track of failure. :allears:

Factually, no they have not, and are not. But I know that Conservatives will not accept that, so sure, whatever.

Are you going to ignore the rest of my post?

edit: Well, medicare is technically having some trouble (not failing), but that's one of the reasons we need Health Care Reform.

rossmum

August 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM

angry post
Yeah, because the system in Cuba was Communism as Marx intended...?

Communism is not inherently bad. Human greed just ruins it, because someone will always want absolute power. I don't doubt that the system didn't work in most countries, but again, it's because someone wanted the power and gave no fuck about anything else.

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 08:41 PM

Factually, no they have not, and are not. But I know that Conservatives will not accept that, so sure, whatever.

Are you going to ignore the rest of my post?

"In 1965, Medicare was predicted to cost $26 billion in 2003; the actual cost that year was $245 billion. Medicare's unfunded liability currently hovers around $40 trillion."

http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/14901/Medicare_Will_Be_Bankrupt_by_2019.html

http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/social-security-stunner-bankruptcy-nation-moved-several-years/15944

http://www.midwestfreepress.com/2009/05/14/bankruptcy-looms-for-medicare-social-security/

Get on MSN and I will have a nice chat with you about socialism.

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 08:42 PM

Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Military Programs... the list can go on.

How are those successful?

Social Security: BANKRUPT
Medicaid: VERGE of BANKRUPTCY
Medicare: VERGE of BANKRUPTCY
Military Programs: a necessary funnel of $$$:cop:

Universal Health Care is going to work for 10 years (maybe), then tank 11-20, causing $trillions of debt. Its a true Liberal fix, shove money at it and hope it fixes itself.

rossmum

August 18th, 2009, 08:43 PM

By the way you guys realise the UK has been almost bankrupt on-again off-again since the end of WWII right

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 08:43 PM

Yeah, because the system in Cuba was Communism as Marx intended...?

Communism is not inherently bad. Human greed just ruins it, because someone will always want absolute power. I don't doubt that the system didn't work in most countries, but again, it's because someone wanted the power and gave no fuck about anything else.

Power corrupts. There is nothing you can do about it.

Anything that gives 1 body absolute power is bound to be abused.

Its impossible to have a working communist system because of this.

rossmum

August 18th, 2009, 08:46 PM

I dunno, if you have someone who's honestly not a shithead and in it for everyone else rather than themselves you're good. Unfortunately, those sorts of people seldom get the opportunity to reach positions they should be in.

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 08:46 PM

By the way you guys realise the UK has been almost bankrupt on-again off-again since the end of WWII right

America is too stubborn to realize their debt's seriousness.

PopeAK49

August 18th, 2009, 08:48 PM

Why so Socialist? :-3

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 08:49 PM

"In 1965, Medicare was predicted to cost $26 billion in 2003; the actual cost that year was $245 billion. Medicare's unfunded liability currently hovers around $40 trillion."

[links]

Get on MSN and I will have a nice chat with you about socialism.

I am on MSN(are you the one that friend requested me?) but I'd rather not. I know exactly what you guys are going to say, and I don't want to have to put up with it.

Personally, I find it ironic that in my quote(in your post) it says "Are you going to ignore the rest of my post?" Well, I was talking about another thing, but you did, in fact ignore the rest of that post. I said that they are having trouble. That's because of rising Health care costs versus inflation and wages. Health care is rising rapidly in comparison, which is one of the things that needs fixing.

Jean-Luc

August 18th, 2009, 08:49 PM

America is too stubborn to realize their debt's seriousness.
Agree. It doesn't even remotely feel like we're actually in a recession right now. In fact...it doesn't even feel like we're at war.

The fuck is going on here?!

PopeAK49

August 18th, 2009, 08:51 PM

Agree. It doesn't even remotely feel like we're actually in a recession right now. In fact...it doesn't even feel like we're at war.

The fuck is going on here?!

Because the government wants us to think that.:allears:

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 08:53 PM

Agree. It doesn't even remotely feel like we're actually in a recession right now. In fact...it doesn't even feel like we're at war.

The fuck is going on here?!
I agree on the War thing, but I've seen a lot of things caused by the recession. Please don't ask me to list them, I'll be here for hours if I do. Though I will say my Mom(10 years of college in the field she works) didn't get her raise and continues to be paid crap, and my Dad got laid off of his job. Now he is unable to find work for 8 months and has decided to go to college with the post- 9/11 GI Bill.

Jean-Luc

August 18th, 2009, 08:58 PM

Didn't mean no offense or anything. I just haven't personally seen the effects to any drastic degree, despite both being in a recession and having a $13,000,000,000,000 debt

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 09:03 PM

My work has gone from 32 employees to 12. And I only work 4 days a week.

NOW, If Mr Obama would have said FUCK YOU GM and rationed the $64 Billion dollars he gave to them to 64,000 small businesses, each would have received a $Million.

Fact: Small businesses create jobs, not GM. :eng101:

God damn it, you are just like my conservative teacher. Well, at least you aren't "Obaaaaaw" or whatever the hell they say.

As for the "Fact" yes, small businesses create jobs... But so does GM. :ugh:

edit: Well hopefully we can all agree that it wasn't Obama's fault that all of this started.

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 09:05 PM

Propping up unsuccessful companies is a terrible idea. They will just fall back into old practices and the money spent on them will be wasted. Let them die away and eventually something that is much better will come up into its place. We all win and lose. It's life, get over it.

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 09:07 PM

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 09:07 PM

God damn it, you are just like my conservative teacher. Well, at least you aren't "Obaaaaaw" or whatever the hell they say.

As for the "Fact" yes, small businesses create jobs... But so does GM. :ugh:

edit: Well hopefully we can all agree that it wasn't Obama's fault that all of this started.

He didn't, but him and his party throwing my money out their asses doesnt fix anything.

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 09:08 PM

I hope you aren't talking to me... I never said anything against that.

No I wasn't. It was more of a general statement thrown out there.

Jean-Luc

August 18th, 2009, 09:09 PM

He didn't, but him and his party throwing my money out their asses doesnt fix anything.
IAWTP.

As much as I like Obama, he is spending way too much money way too fast. The debt isn't going to go away instantly, no matter how much Americans want it to.

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 09:12 PM

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 09:15 PM

He didn't, but him and his party throwing my money out their asses doesnt fix anything.
:suicide:

I'm out. Have fun in your thread.

Disaster

August 18th, 2009, 09:15 PM

rossmum

August 18th, 2009, 09:16 PM

tj117

August 18th, 2009, 09:18 PM

Also, with all politics a side and to get back to Glenn Beck. I may not agree 100% with his politics, but I'd rather watch him report on HR3200 than MSNBC and CNN bash Americans for voicing an opinion other than what GE believes in. Thats just WRONG.
Whoops, didn't reload the page before posting. >_>

You'd rather watch a man that has been caught straight up lying than watch MSNBC or CNN where they point out the insanity of the people screaming at each other about useless nonsense? Sure, whatever.

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 09:23 PM

than watch MSNBC or CNN where they point out the insanity of the people screaming at each other about useless nonsense? Sure, whatever.

You have been watching too much MSNGEBC. Their screaming because their Senators are not listening to them and their tired of their shit. Sheila Jackson Lee is prime example of a Liberals arrogance. Last time I check Senators worked for US not the other way around. -e. and dont fucking cite that hot line bullshit, she could have used it before. WAY to be prepared....

They need to gtfo with their personal and party agendas

CN3089

August 18th, 2009, 09:28 PM

Universal Health Care is going to work for 10 years (maybe), then tank 11-20, causing $trillions of debt. Its a true Liberal fix, shove money at it and hope it fixes itself.

Yeah man like Canada oh wait we had surpluses every year since the 90s until the Conservatives fucked it up welp!

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 09:30 PM

No offense brah, but Fuck Canada.

rossmum

August 18th, 2009, 09:33 PM

"msngebc are horrible liars fox never make up stories about the parent companies of their competitors" - paladin, 2009

TeeKup

August 18th, 2009, 09:33 PM

They need to gtfo with their personal and party agendas

With all due respect, they're human. They're in positions of power and authority, so they will pursue what they can, and that's not likely to change. Every one who's not a politician want's it to...but it won't.

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 09:35 PM

"fox never make up stories about the parent companies of their competitors" - paladin, 2009

When did I say that, and beside saying that Id rather watch Glenn Beck, when did I say I watch Fox news. Way to fabricate information, youd be a good journalist. "I like drawing men in banana hammocks flying airplanes "rossmum '09

rossmum

August 18th, 2009, 09:38 PM

When did I say that, and beside saying that Id rather watch Glenn Beck, when did I say I watch Fox news. Way to fabricate information, youd be a good journalist. "I like drawing men in banana hammocks flying airplanes "rossmum '09
wow you're literally dumb as fuck

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 09:40 PM

Look at your arrogance. Your egos taller than a fucking skyscraper

rossmum

August 18th, 2009, 09:42 PM

nope sorry i'm just not an idiot

unless you've just been trolling the whole time in which case i am

TeeKup

August 18th, 2009, 09:43 PM

Why is it this forum can't have a SINGLE political debate without someone throwing a knife at someone else?

Cagerrin

August 18th, 2009, 09:44 PM

Why is it people can't have a SINGLE political debate without someone throwing a knife at someone else?
ftfy

paladin

August 18th, 2009, 09:44 PM

I find it funny how narrow minded you are. It must suck being you, not being able to control everything you interact with.

oh, how much more till and assburgers rage quit? I like to see it.

TeeKup

August 18th, 2009, 09:44 PM

Heh...

Boba

August 18th, 2009, 09:51 PM

Why is it this forum can't have a SINGLE political debate without someone throwing a knife at someone else?
hey teekup

stand still for a second

TeeKup

August 18th, 2009, 09:54 PM

Please don't.http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/smilies/emot-ohdear.png

El Lobo

August 18th, 2009, 09:57 PM

Boba's always been deadly with a blade.

:lobo:

Rosco

August 18th, 2009, 09:59 PM

Boba's always been deadly with a blade.

:lobo:

I think this post has accompolished more than this whole thread.... :smith:

kid908

August 18th, 2009, 10:27 PM

Everything we do accomplish more than anything to do with politics...

what happened to the good old days of the Duel? 2 people take 1 shot at each other. that sure would end debates fast.

Gwunty

August 18th, 2009, 10:30 PM

Tell that to my parents who were born and raised to adulthood in Communist Cuba. Try and convince them that Communism is a good government system. Let's see how far you get. Go ahead and call them a member of your "assorted idiots" club.

Tell that to my parents, who were indoctrinated to praise Castro and the Communist Revolution in Cuba or be taken from their homes in the middle of the night and either jailed or killed.

According to you, my parents and I should go kill ourselves to cleanse the gene pool. How nice of you. Thanks.
Yes they should :downs:

See, the problem with some of you guys is not that you have a liberal viewpoint. I respect completely the fact that you guys have a different opinion, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with your viewpoint.
Same here, its just the massive about of "LOL STUPID" that fawks news emits makes me wonder, what dumbass believes it.

But, you declare your viewpoint like it was the Law and do it in such an angry and frustrated manner that conveys unnecessary hatred and disgust.
You decided to take it as law, I never implied that it was. I wasn't frustrated I was more or less.
"jesus christ this person is stupid."

Ironically, all of your opinions are formed on the basis of improving society and making a better world for all, yet you're all implying that those who think differently than you are inferior and don't deserve respect. Well, that's counterproductive to your goal, isn't it?
No, im saying anyone who listens to this dumbass, and agrees with him, is inferior and should castrate them self. :neckbeard:

In essence, you have no respect for those who share a different opinion and you degrade them as equals to the dirt that you step on every day.
^same as above, ill let your republicans believe what you want, until it gets to a level of mass stupidity.

For example, you don't even consider the fact that Fox News might be a valid News station. You think of them as a bunch of brainwashing liars, and nothing anyone will say can change that.
I don't consider it because I have watched it, done research on what they have said, and come to a conclusion that they are completely retarded, hypocritical and are in fact not a news station, but a reality program.

The real reason you think they're invalid sources of information is because they are the one national news station that shares a different viewpoint. Am I wrong? Name another National News station that tailors to those who share the conservative viewpoint.
Hah, no. Its becuase they are so OBVIOUSLY wrong, there so called "news" is only reported on if it HELPS there point of view, therefore disproving the fact that they are "a fair and balanced news station"

All the other News stations tailor to those who share the liberal viewpoint, and so none of you complain about them. It's pretty simple.
No its not. Stop assuming kthxbai

Let me tell you, I am no hypocrite either. I've done plenty of consideration for the Liberal viewpoint, and I am convinced completely that it is not the way to go. That doesn't mean I bash and spew hatred about those who share that viewpoint.
Like I said, but let me make it clearer.
Just becuase i strongly dislike fox news, does not mean I hate all republicans.

That is all I have to say. Flame me if you want, I really don't care. In fact, I would enjoy it. Any name-calling or degrading of me or my viewpoint is just more ammunition to fuel my argument and you're only helping me and hurting yourself.
No flames here bro, you just missed the point of my post.

However, respectful disagreement is a different story.
:raise:

For the record, I'm not referring to all of you. Note that I said "some of you".
:raise::raise:

this is a troll post.