Community Mentoring.

[Chainsy]

Seeing as one of the big controversies and random bitching and moaning and truths about how fellow communities members treat others and how they deal "crit" in such blunt and unhelpful ways gave way to this idea.
I say we start a sort of big brother program, where we assign an experienced member to help mentor one of less or equal skill. The point would be that you could learn new things while bonding with a member and enhancing your skills and learning to work as a team, and not in solitude. I believe we have many great artists with potential but they hardly post because of fear of their work not being appreciated and basically being all but mauled.
So here's how it would work:
1. Mentoree's post asking for whatever skill they want to learn and maybe offer a skill they can show
2. A mentor will volunteer.
3. That mentor and mentoree will then have a 2 week period of working together on whatever they deem fit, giving friendly advice.
Being how not many mentors will be willing to do this, I set up for a period of 2 weeks so that the members who feel they want to better this place can be opened up for a new mentoree as soon as possible.
I am hoping yall all see how this community needs some unity and friendliness, so we can all improve and actaully have a good name vs other modding communities, and not look like some back water internet site.
Oh, also I was thinking of clocking hours on mentors, and whoever has the most hours after 4 weeks gets a prize.
This is all still in theory and can be changed however we like.

[mech]

This is a dumb idea, you must be forgetting that people have lives.

[teh lag]

Mech has a point. Nothing prevents people from seeking out people on their own; I think most people here would be happy to give pointers to someone who's actually interested in learning without any formal community organization. I don't remember a time when I've turned someone down who IM'd me looking for advice unless I was busy at the time. I have a sense that feeling obligated to help someone for 2 weeks straight - and also being judged by how many hours you put in - could get irritating very fast.

I get where you're coming from, and for a site with more people who are more able to dedicate themselves to helping others it might work. But basically, people can already do this, but without the constraints of formality.

[Higuy]

this was tried out in halomaps back in late 2007.
it failed, big time, and some actually decent people were running it.

The idea's alright, but something needs to motivate the actual person to want to learn it, and have more 1 on 1 so there not like, :ugh: when its alot of other people with them too. Teh lags right, if you need help, find a tutorial, or someone that knows how to do it.

[Ganon]

not how the internet works sorry

[flibitijibibo]

Yeah, it's a bit too formal. People already seem to get a lot of good advice in their own threads/quick-crit. I suppose if the person wanted advice specifically from someone, they could just ask. Getting bored as fuck here at college, will help with any musical work.

[Maniac]

I think its a good idea Chains.
But its wouldnt work on this particular site me thinks.

[neuro]

OR, people can send other people a PM and ask for help and they sort their stuff out together in private :o

[Hunter]

You know what, I have a better idea. People should just post their work no websites like this one, and accept the crit and stoping being pussies.

I had a lot of shit given to me when I joined, with all of my stupid txt language. But in the end you learn to accept the crit. As long as the person giving it isnt being a complete cunt.

I find it difficult to help people over text and recording and sending videos is annoying. The best way for people to learn is to mess around with the tools and try doing parts different ways ect...

Most people who have joined this community only seem to be interested in ripping other peoples work anyway... so whats the point.

(And mensioning the female part alot was not intensional :p)

[legionaire45]

I remember way back when I bothered Snaf and ask for some help with 3ds.

He linked me some tutorials, gave me a lot of good advice and from there I moved on.

It's not that hard to click that little AIM button next to somebody's profile, you know. This idea seems rather unnecessary - all that people need to do is jump on aim and ask for some help. You don't need to turn this site into a day care in order to get people to learn some stuff.

[Martini-562]

Yeah but then again, I have no idea how everybody would respond to some random bloke asking for 3D help. If I were to IM Snaf for help he'd probably be wondering who the hell I am and probably click the big red button on top of the chat screen (not personally directed at Snaf, he was the just the first person to enter my mind).

The plan sounds like a good idea, the execution of it would be a it harder than people are expecting right now. And in all honesty, this kind of deal should have a whole forum dedicated to this purpose. Something like conceptart.org

[MetKiller Joe]

Yeah but then again, I have no idea how everybody would respond to some random bloke asking for 3D help. If I were to IM Snaf for help he'd probably be wondering who the hell I am and probably click the big red button on top of the chat screen (not personally directed at Snaf, he was the just the first person to enter my mind).

I'm sure if you explained who you were, the person on the other end would be happy to help.

Many times I've gotten IMs from members whose screennames I didn't recognize. I asked who they were, they told me who they were, and we moved on to business. As teh lag has said, unless the timing isn't great, I'm happy to help those who ask.



Let's put it this way. If you want to learn art bad enough, you will go through our mud pit. I think most people on this forum are caked in mud at this point.

Horrible analogy, but I hope you get the point.

[neuro]

for a forum like CA.org to actually function though, there need to be people who are actually capable of helping others. unlike on this forum, where there's at most 5 people familiar with any single subject at one time.

face it, if you want to be spoon-fed everything you need to know, go to school, or find someone who's willing to put up with teaching you.

[SnaFuBAR]

Learning is all self initiative.

[FRain]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showpost.php?p=466582&postcount=1033

That's all.

Thanks.

[Chainsy]

Frain don't drag random bullshit into the thread. It was a private conversation, if I wanted that posted I would've made a baww thread.
You have your opinion, I have mine, but I still get so much more out of other sites that are much more professional and actaully act like normal humans with social standards and criticism politely, they don't "sugar coat" they tell you what is wrong, but encourage you to move forward.
I don't even know why I am saying this, you all have had your views of criticism like the way done here as the correct way for so long, that you believe it is the proper way and you're helping people, but you're not, and don't pull the real world bullshit. You never answered my question frain, answer it over pm, why do you model then, if not for fun? I rarely post my work on here anymore, because when I did the whole thought process in my painting was to create something that looks good so I wouldn't be yelled at. That changes it from a passion to a mindless habit as a gambit to be accepted. But then again, this is just my opinion and I could be delusioned that mine is the right way when yours is actaully correct, too bad we'll never know. But frain, if you're so insulted over my opinion that you remove me and try to "denounce" me, it's obvious you need to understand tolerance for other people, another reason why I think modacity is going backwards, not forwards.

[Ganon]

failure member #?

[Chainsy]

Failure in your eyes is a success in mine. Ganon, you're a cute troll and all, but you try too hard.

[FRain]

dude, im not insulted on your opinion, i think its fucking HILARIOUS.

[Chainsy]

That's nice to know, it still applies, have tolerance.
Still have not answered my question though, why do you model then?
Quit avoiding it, I am generally interested to know.

[mech]

Frain don't drag random bullshit into the thread. It was a private conversation, if I wanted that posted I would've made a baww thread.
You have your opinion, I have mine, but I still get so much more out of other sites that are much more professional and actaully act like normal humans with social standards and criticism politely, they don't "sugar coat" they tell you what is wrong, but encourage you to move forward.
I don't even know why I am saying this, you all have had your views of criticism like the way done here as the correct way for so long, that you believe it is the proper way and you're helping people, but you're not, and don't pull the real world bullshit. You never answered my question frain, answer it over pm, why do you model then, if not for fun? I rarely post my work on here anymore, because when I did the whole thought process in my painting was to create something that looks good so I wouldn't be yelled at. That changes it from a passion to a mindless habit as a gambit to be accepted. But then again, this is just my opinion and I could be delusioned that mine is the right way when yours is actaully correct, too bad we'll never know. But frain, if you're so insulted over my opinion that you remove me and try to "denounce" me, it's obvious you need to understand tolerance for other people, another reason why I think modacity is going backwards, not forwards.

:ohdear:

"The Studio" has the best drama.

[Chainsy]

I honestly didn't want this to be a drama fest, but frain apparently likes to be a total tool and post a chat log argument in a topic for an idea to help the community. I got it though, I won't post anymore ideas to help to try help out, I learned my lesson, I pity you frain, go watch some porn if you want entertainment.

[flibitijibibo]

3. We don't give a damn about your feelings or your reputation in real life. If you're a "badass" at your local high school, well good for you. When you join this site, let alone any site on the INTERNET, you have jumped into our norms; if you don't like it you can either SHUT UP or leave.

That about covers it. I'm not even going to argue with you because the above quote makes it unnecessary. Don't like us? :gtfo:

[mech]

I honestly didn't want this to be a drama fest, but frain apparently likes to be a total tool and post a chat log argument in a topic for an idea to help the community. I got it though, I won't post anymore ideas to help to try help out, I learned my lesson, I pity you frain, go watch some porn if you want entertainment.

It was a good hearted idea, just doesn't fit well in this environment of e-niggers. Advice in little snipets is no problem, but having a hump on your back gets old.

[Chainsy]

Ok mech you got me, I seriously have no fucking clue if you're trolling or not on this one.

[FRain]

the point was i thought it was fucking hilarious do you not get it yet

[Chainsy]

Frain, I know you think my opinion is hilarious but you still after three times are avoiding my question. You're telling me when they told you your models were shit, that you improved because of it, yet when i asked you how much you enjoyed doing it, you said it didn't matter, then why the fuck did you improve, why do you model now?

[Ganon]

still here?

[Bodzilla]

Jesus christ this thread.


but seriously listen to the boys in green on this one.
they know what they're talking about.

alot of it is self initiative probably 95% of it is, but the rest comes from people helping you solve problems when your stuck.
thats where aim comes in.


Look at dano for example, he learnt just about everything he ever did as a texturer, modeler and musician through self teaching.
being spoon fed is one of the worst things you can do for a creative mind or field.

[Hunter]

Am I the only person who finds it fucking hilarious how ANY thread can/is be turned into a flame war? Its awesome, life is such a big mother fucking argument :P

Good times :)

[bapsi]

I think it's kinda sad.
all this energy that could have been spent improving your work and yourself--wasted.