vB 4.0 Post Your Issues

[TheGhost]

Please post any issues you are having in this thread.

[Timo]

The image in your name stretches in the friends preview in people's profiles: http://www.modacity.net/forums/member.php/18-Timo Refresh a few times till you come up.


edit:http://www.modacity.net/forums/album.php?albumid=22 The border around each thumbnail isn't the right size, figure this'll be fixed with the skins

editedt: The last edited by line appears above sigs not below

[Reaper Man]

Rep bars are next to user titles, so that those with lots of bars have two levels of them.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5304/vb4.jpg

[StankBacon]

oshi

[TheGhost]

Yes, I will move the rep bars to the next line (when I figure out how), not sure why the default is like this, it looks pretty bad.

[Timo]

There's no "report this post" button on posts

[CN3089]

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i think that's it let me know if I missed anything http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/smile.gif



no but seriously the only problems I can see are with the theme so good job I guess

[supersniper]

actually a lot of the features are missing... but i'm sure those were just addon's

[Aerowyn]

No offense, but it's pretty ugly. :gonk:

[Timo]

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i think that's it let me know if I missed anything http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/smile.gif



no but seriously the only problems I can see are with the theme so good job I guess

This is pretty much the most urgent problem with the website

[jcap]

vB4 sucks balls.

please fix this asap

[Bodzilla]

This is pretty much the most urgent problem with the website

i too am in agreement with this statement.

[Ifafudafi]

Ninja tags don't work, small bits of sacrasm given away by obvious extra empty lines is impossible now

Also the "Reply to Thread" button kicks you down to quick reply; a minor complaint, but meh.

[CN3089]

klange has blog access. fix immediately. tia.

[flibitijibibo]

There are a shitload of redundant links around the site. I'll try to make a complete list, but the two bugging me on all pages (both on header):
- "What's New?" and "New Posts"
- "Welcome *Name with link*" and "My Profile"

[Ifafudafi]

Oh, and is it just me or are the thread icons (the envelopes) fucking massive and obstructive? Can we shrink them back to the original size?

[Bodzilla]

Peoples sigs wont go past the bottom of their avatar/ profile info ect.

This creates Massive amounts of Empty space for small posts.

[TheGhost]

There's no "report this post" button on posts

Fixed this.

[Bodzilla]

as seen here.

[English Mobster]

Ugh, I don't like the new colors.
Change them or I will be :saddowns:.

[Reaper Man]

Ugh, I don't like the new colors.
Change them or I will be :saddowns:.
Protip: It's the default VB4 theme.

Protip2: You already have downs.

[ShadowSpartan]

The 'Find all posts' function only returns the posts that a person has posted after the upgrade to VB4, no posts prior to that are returned in the search.

Example: http://www.modacity.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1093

[English Mobster]

Good point, Reaper.
Also, is it my shitty computer, or is the site SLOOOOW AS FUUUUUCK?

I have a few other complaints, but they can wait until tomorrow.

[CN3089]

The 'Find all posts' function only returns the posts that a person has posted after the upgrade to VB4, no posts prior to that are returned in the search.

Example: http://www.modacity.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1093

Don't worry you aren't missing anything

[TheGhost]

The 'Find all posts' function only returns the posts that a person has posted after the upgrade to VB4, no posts prior to that are returned in the search.

Example: http://www.modacity.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1093

I need to rebuild the search cache, which will be CPU intensive so I'll run it some other time.

[flibitijibibo]

Clicking http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/buttons/firstnew.png Just takes you to the thread, not the first new post.

Also, pickier note:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/471/4000t.png

[TheGhost]

Also, pickier note:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/471/4000t.png

Web server issue, resolved for now by switching web servers.

(also waaaay faster for me, idk about you guys)

[p0lar_bear]

An issue I'm having with the backend is the way styles are generated. As such, it's gonna be a bit before I get adjusted to this new workflow and can get cracking on VB4-itizing our old skins and de-suck-itizing the VB4 skin...

My fault for not toying with it beforehand. :ugh:

[Bodzilla]

burn the bear.


Will donate for food source theme.

[Phobias]

Will donate for food source theme.

^^^^^

Also, not having a border between sigs and posts is kind of annoying..actually having a closer look there is a border, I just can't make it out, brb adjusting monitor settings :S

[Hunter]

The image in your name stretches in the friends preview in people's profiles: http://www.modacity.net/forums/member.php/18-Timo Refresh a few times till you come up.


edit:http://www.modacity.net/forums/album.php?albumid=22 The border around each thumbnail isn't the right size, figure this'll be fixed with the skins

editedt: The last edited by line appears above sigs not below

I wouldn't mind knowing how you solve this problem. Because I want to know how to add shadows the images without CSS and image editing.

Problem1:
When you edit a post there is a large gap above the tools in the editing window.

Problem2 (Biggest problem so far): No source theme.

[Kornman00]

No offense, but it's pretty ugly. :gonk:
That's why we have your beautiful face around, to keep nature in balance :allears:

e: also, ninja text doesn't work currently. prob already know that tho

[InnerGoat]

That's why we have your beautiful face around, to keep nature in balance :allears:

aahahahahahahah


fix computer stats

[Llama Juice]

There's no "Top Donors" spot on the front page anymore :P

[Heathen]

So can we have a "Source theme" and "Source Classic"?

So it has the old look with the new functionality.

Like, everything is in its old place like rep, report, a few other things, a differently organized homepage, etc?

[teh lag]

There are a shitload of redundant links around the site. I'll try to make a complete list, but the two bugging me on all pages (both on header):
- "What's New?" and "New Posts"
- "Welcome *Name with link*" and "My Profile"


Peoples sigs wont go past the bottom of their avatar/ profile info ect.

This creates Massive amounts of Empty space for small posts.

The above irritate me a lot.

Get rid of the speech bubble effect on quote tags, it makes it look like my avatar is saying things that are quoted.

VB4 stock emotes and icons are amazingly bad -> http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif:rolleyes::cool::eek::p

On user pages, "Find all posts by user"/"Find all threads started by user" are gone.

Blogs will not work out well at all.

In general, I hate the Web 2.0-y feel of the new site. We're not Facebook; let's not pretend to be.

[p0lar_bear]

Something to tide all of you over until later:

1371

Took me hours just to get the header and forum bits right. There is a long way to go, though it'll probably go faster now that I know what I'm doing. %-)

And I hate to break it to y'all, but Source will take a while, simply because it's a dark style. Lot of digging needed to find all colors that need to be inverted.

[teh lag]

Another thing. On the front page, recent forum posts should be at the top rather than comments or blog posts.

Infracted/warned posts just have a tiny icon in the bottom. Red/yellow highlighting must return.

Fix the "reply" going to "quick reply", that bothers me so much.

And for God's sake, in the new theme, change the button from "Unread Bad Posts". I "facepalmed" (:embarrassed:) when I saw that.

[Rook]

My issue: this forum looks exactly like the other forums I visit now, source theme or get. And the rep bars are in a stupid place?

vB3 forever?

-Another thing: our amazing page styling is gone.

[Limited]

My issue: this forum looks exactly like the other forums I visit now, source theme or get. And the rep bars are in a stupid place?

vB3 forever?

-Another thing: our amazing page styling is gone.
^^
Looks like just any old generic forum now, even though I used the default old theme, no other site I have seen used it so it felt like Modacity.

This one, gah.

I like the fact you are improving the site, newer version is great, just the look is (to me) ugly.

Love it pbear!

[Reaper Man]

Something to tide all of you over until later:

1371

Took me hours just to get the header and forum bits right. There is a long way to go, though it'll probably go faster now that I know what I'm doing. %-)

And I hate to break it to y'all, but Source will take a while, simply because it's a dark style. Lot of digging needed to find all colors that need to be inverted.

Looking good! I hope you don't plan on keeping the horrible gradient bar-like look for the forums... it looks tacky.

[teh lag]

Another thing. On the front page, recent forum posts should be at the top rather than comments or blog posts.

Infracted/warned posts just have a tiny icon in the bottom. Red/yellow highlighting must return.

Fix the "reply" going to "quick reply", that bothers me so much.

And for God's sake, in the new theme, change the button from "Unread Bad Posts". I "facepalmed" (:embarrassed:) when I saw that.

Another prob:

Latest Rep Given is gone on the user CP.

"Forum Rules" under posting permissions should take you to the AUP/Infraction list instead of the pre-registration message.

[Jean-Luc]

Pretty much all of my complaints have already been said but my biggest problem with it is that we look like Facebook :smith:

[Higuy]

Get the themes back D:

It looks REALLY ugly.

[Reaper Man]

The header doesn't stretch to the full extent of my 1920x1080 screen.

[Higuy]

also, what's up with the "RE: (thread name)" on every post?
It's a bit annoying imo.

[jcap]

Now you see why I was against upgrading.

The old forum had several changes that were made over the course of about 3 years. Many were even plugins that no longer exist for vB4.

[TheGhost]

Something to tide all of you over until later:

1371

Took me hours just to get the header and forum bits right. There is a long way to go, though it'll probably go faster now that I know what I'm doing. %-)

And I hate to break it to y'all, but Source will take a while, simply because it's a dark style. Lot of digging needed to find all colors that need to be inverted.

This looks really good actually, we can call it "Modacity Classic". Nice work =)

[InnerGoat]

good work p0lar bear_!

[Corndogman]

"Go to First New Post" option isn't working for me.

The icons on the top left of peoples posts that tells you if the post is new both look very similar. Its hard to tell which posts are new. (one is white, one is very light blue.)

[flibitijibibo]

Talk about picky, but...

"View your "About Me" as seen by everyone else" Just brings you back to your profile, rather than actually seeing it as someone else.

[Inferno]

The theme is absolutely god awful. Hell, it doesn't even stretch to wide screen all the way on my monitor.
+ It's way to bright.
+ The thread list has giant icons that are obstructive to my vision. Make them about the same size as before.
+ The text in posts don't reach all the way to the right hand side. They go about half way and stop. Make use of all that space please.
+ Add a line between the post and the sig. Like in the old version.
+ Add more rep bars. :-3

[Heathen]

Okay, where are new posts? Where are recent threads? Where are my reps? Where are they?

[ThePlague]

You can't do the double click to mark as read for the topics. At least I can't...

[jcap]

I don't know what widescreen problems anyone is having. I can stretch it across all 3 of my monitors and it fills the entire width.

[Heathen]

It doesn't go like...a centimeter on both sides.

Doesn't bother me.

[flibitijibibo]

It doesn't go like...a centimeter on both sides.

Doesn't bother me.

This.

[Syuusuke]

also, what's up with the "RE: (thread name)" on every post?
It's a bit annoying imo.

That has always been there, it's just bigger bolder and fatter now.

[Heathen]

That has always been there, it's just bigger bolder and fatter now.

this

[flibitijibibo]

Moar picky time!

So when adding attachments, a list comes up with what I'm guessing is every attachment you've posted on the site. I didn't think to delete it from the CP, so I deleted the thread. It's not in the user CP anymore, but it's still listed as an attachment in the uploader, probably because the thread was only softdeleted.

Edit: What new header font what

[Heathen]

Edit: What new header what

ftfy

got rid of ugly gradient when they saw it looked bad.

[Sel]

http://bigheaddc.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/siren.gifTHERES NO CRYSIS THEMEhttp://bigheaddc.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/siren.gif

[Amit]

New theme looks even worse. I liked the VB4 default theme which appears to be called just Modacity in the themes list. I switched back to that one.

[flibitijibibo]

The color scheme is fine, I was just surprised by the... "different," font.

[p0lar_bear]

Clicking http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/buttons/firstnew.png Just takes you to the thread, not the first new post.

Fixed. Bug in v4.0.1 fixed in .2 when it comes out, I found a hotfix for it though.


- "Welcome *Name with link*" and "My Profile"
Removed the "My Profile" link, and also changed "Settings" back to "User CP."


The color scheme is fine, I was just surprised by the... "different," font.
What are you on about? I'm using the same images from the old style, and the rest of the text is the same font face as the vb4 default.

Also, what is my WIP style doing visible to all? It's supposed to be hidden until at LEAST the forums part of it gets the correct colors and shit.

[Rob Oplawar]

This logo
http://www.modacity.net/forums/styles/modacity/banner.png
makes my eyes bleed.
I think that's what they were talking about with the "different" font.

The rest of the new Modacity theme is meh. I think we'll have to settle into it over the next couple of weeks, making little tweaks and getting used to it until it feels right.

[Timo]

Modacity Classic is nice :]

[Reaper Man]

Modacity Classic is nice :]
Agreed, but it looks kinda flat, I think a subtle gradient on the forum sections would be nice, and make the text a little easier to read.

[cheezdue]

Is it me or are there some post you can't see at all?

[Ifafudafi]

What the hell is with the shitty new logo (and no I don't want to use the classic theme because colors :gonk:)

Modassity is hardcore foarm, not social group for clinically depressed art studio rejects

[Inferno]

I demand brown and puke green Modashitty theme.

[English Mobster]

Yay Modacity Classic theme.
:downs:
(Polar, if you haven't made the theme public yet... Well, it is. It's selectable in the style chooser at the very bottom of the page, where you were able to change the theme previously).

Site is getting better now, I've noticed. Now that the 480,000+ posts are indexed, the site is 1000x faster.

E: Technically, it's not Modacity Classic... Modacity Classic would be the old H2V theme (aka the old "Halo" theme). I don't know what you would call that theme, but technically it isn't Modacity Classsic. That's like calling Mrs. Pac-Man "Pac-Man Classic".

[Reaper Man]

The unread post icons are ugly as hell, bring back the old ones.

In fact, just bring back all the old icons.

[TeeKup]

The new version is so weird...I don't like it...D:

[Kornman00]

E: Technically, it's not Modacity Classic... Modacity Classic would be the old H2V theme (aka the old "Halo" theme). I don't know what you would call that theme, but technically it isn't Modacity Classsic. That's like calling Mrs. Pac-Man "Pac-Man Classic".
Techically, you're wrong. That theme you're referring to was from the H2Vista.net days (aka "Halo" 2 Vista), not when the site was Modacitied. So it is in fact, Modacity Classic.

[p0lar_bear]

Yay Modacity Classic theme.
:downs:
(Polar, if you haven't made the theme public yet... Well, it is. It's selectable in the style chooser at the very bottom of the page, where you were able to change the theme previously).

I know, that's why I was bitching about it. I wanted to spring the finished one on you guys, but eh, what the hell. Go ahead and use it, but keep in mind that I'm intermittently working on it (and hopefully other admins will be too), so expect it to break or get ugly at random. If it does, just wait it out and only say something if it's there for longer than a day.


The new version is so weird...I don't like it...D:

C'mon Teek, you're an innovator. ;)

It's mostly the new default style. I'm working on unfailing it while applying the light blue modacity colors, and once that's done, I'll be applying the Halo and Source colors to it. Just bear with it.

[Timo]

There doesn't seem to be a "These posts aren't new since your last visit" line in the unread posts section. Or is that how it works now?

[Kornman00]

Yeah, I really hate the white=read, light light light blue=unread images. holy shit.

just me complain' tho :eng101:

[Hunter]

Getting there. You should add a static bar to bottom of the screen which displays quicklinks. Like the Hirachy:

Forums - Modacity - Feedback/Suggestions - vB 4.0 Post your issues

And maybe even a chat feature like Facebook has which lets you add people as friends. That would be cool. But would invovle adding tables to the database ect...

[TheGhost]

Guys you keep complaining about style stuff but this is just the default style. This thread isn't to complain about vB's default style, I'm looking for actual issues. We are working on the style stuff.

[neuro]

its ugly

[teh lag]

-Still need advanced search option to display posts instead of threads.
-Need find posts/threads started by user on profile page (please for the love of God)
-Reply still goes to quick reply by default

[Hunter]

User CP needs fixing. Make the infractions part a bit like this or something.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/modacityFix.jpg

[Rob Oplawar]

I got an invite to a "bring back the old VB version" group, and I want to say for the record that any upgrade is going to start out shaky. Give it time, guys, we'll get the old features and prettiness back eventually, and we'll have new features and improved backend.

[flibitijibibo]

And it's run by jcap???

Seconding Rob anyway... :tinfoil:

[Heathen]

Yeah, I'm not joining that group either. People hate change.

I still cant find the "new posts" like under the right side on the old theme.

Also, where are my reps located?

[ExAm]

The subject lines of posts seem a bit too prominent, maybe reduce the font size a bit, or otherwise block it off into a small, off-color bar?

[jcap]

You guys truly don't understand just how bad vb4 is.

I'd like to see you hack it apart with firebug and post your results.

Also, just look at the edit post screen and tell me that isn't fucked up. It's ridiculous they couldn't fix this before release.

[Hunter]

You really hate it don't you jcap? Lol

[p0lar_bear]

You guys truly don't understand just how bad vb4 is.

I'd like to see you hack it apart with firebug and post your results.

Also, just look at the edit post screen and tell me that isn't fucked up. It's ridiculous they couldn't fix this before release.

The problem lies with the goddamn default theme, not the software in itself. The only game-breaking bug which I quickly fixed up was the "go to first new post" button not going to the first new post in an unread thread.

Shit happens, they're fixing it.

[Heathen]

You'll get used to it jcap.

I already am getting the hang of it even though I cant find some things.

[BobtheGreatII]

I'm liking the new look. Some things don't match here and there. But it's looking good. For example the top of this Quick Reply box has the white border around the top blue bar. That could be fixed to match the background color.

[flibitijibibo]

In short: Treat vB4 like you did MW2. :downs:

[Inferno]

Flibit is correct. You will hate it for a while, as we all do with changes but it will eventually fix itself up and turn into a forum we can all love again.

Unless it ends up like vista.

edit-

The new User CP rep and infraction screen sucks dick. Change it back to how it was before. I liked that little list thing.

[jcap]

Flibit is correct. You will hate it for a while, as we all do with changes but it will eventually fix itself up and turn into a forum we can all love again.

Unless it ends up like vista.

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The new User CP rep and infraction screen sucks dick. Change it back to how it was before. I liked that little list thing.
You mean unless it ends up like MW2. Vista was never broken and any complaints from you babies (that never existed) have been fixed.

None of the things that are fucked in vB4 can be fixed without a massive overhaul. Even worse, if we give it a massive overhaul, we will be unable to upgrade it in the future without even more problems. You really need to understand how bad the customization panel is, and how many templates need to be manually edited.

[Heathen]

we will be unable to upgrade it in the future without even more problems.

and without more bitching from folks who cant adjust.

Just relax, shit will go smoothly.

[flibitijibibo]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but wasn't that also the case for vB3 and the plugins we/other sites had for it?

If all else fails, say it's for security. :D

[jcap]

What problem do you guys have with the rep and infractions? They look fine to me. Only difference is that they are 2 lines now instead of 1. I'd prefer 1, but after seeing Hunter's screenshot, I'm wondering if more is broken with the UCP than I thought.

[Heathen]

Its all working fine for me. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

[sdavis117]

On my screen Heathen's rep is on two lines, so is Flibit's. Inferno also has quite a bit of rep on the second line of rep.

[Heathen]

No davis, they are talking about in the CP it takes up 2 lines now instead of one.

What you are talking about has been established, and yes, it is really ugly and annoying. The rep.png or whatever they are called are coming immediately after our custom user titles.

[flibitijibibo]

In posts, rep and user title are on the same line, and for 6 bars, it leaks over. Just a matter of moving it down a line.

He's talking about the User CP though. Yes, rep/infractions are like this:

Thread title.......................Date/Time
Reason...........................User Name

The bar (red/green/yellow) is to the left of this, between the two lines. Guess that stupid warning of mine did come in handy. XP

Edit: Ninja'd as usual, I see?

[Heathen]

pwnt

[Heathen]

Just fill your user title with this ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬

[Ifafudafi]

Really, I don't see why we updated to vb4 in the first place; vb3 was working fine and nobody's going to pay attention to blogs

[Hunter]

Here. UCP shot and shot of Heathen hogging all the space with his 2 rows of rep.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/modacity1.jpghttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/modacity2.jpg

[jcap]

Here. UCP shot and shot of Heathen hogging all the space with his 2 rows of rep.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/modacity1.jpghttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/modacity2.jpg
Your UCP is broken. I don't know why.

[Hunter]

Change the Reply to Thread button code to

<a href="http://www.modacity.net/forums/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=<?php echo "$pageID" ?>">
Because the post reply button is just referencing to the quick reply form...

And fix my UCP :(

[Horns]

You guys truly don't understand just how bad vb4 is.

I'd like to see you hack it apart with firebug and post your results.

Also, just look at the edit post screen and tell me that isn't fucked up. It's ridiculous they couldn't fix this before release.

Testing this.

E: Heh, nothing extremely bad but it takes away from how pro it seems/is. I would expect more for one of the number 1 (and high priced) forum softwares.

[English Mobster]

Really, I don't see anything wrong with it. Give it time; it'll get better. It already has gotten a tiny smidgen better in about a day (new theme helps a lot). There really isn't anything wrong with this.

[cheezdue]

Really, I don't see anything wrong with it. Give it time; it'll get better. It already has gotten a tiny smidgen better in about a day (new theme helps a lot). There really isn't anything wrong with this.

Well I hope they fix the problem where certain post can't be seen.

[English Mobster]

Are we talking about that old issue which we had with the old site, or is this something which is happening in the latest version, as well?
Also, a note for those who don't know how to use a blog properly (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=23).

People who get the idea and receive a :downs::
Flibit (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=15)
Cameleopard (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=17)
Penguin (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=14)

People who don't and receive a :saddowns::
Annihilation (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=18)
Pyong (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=19)
ExAm (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=20)
Sdavis (http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=22)

[Heathen]

I love this all of it.

[Inferno]

Blogs seem pretty dumb. But whatever.

[Heathen]

Yeah, thats meh, but I wont use it.

[Rob Oplawar]

How the fuck do I reject a group invite? I want to get rid of the notification so I now when I have actual notifications to worry about. All I can see to get rid of it now is to join the damned "vb4 sucks" group. What irony; the fact that I can't reject it might coerce me into not only joining it but liking it.

[jcap]

How the fuck do I reject a group invite? I want to get rid of the notification so I now when I have actual notifications to worry about. All I can see to get rid of it now is to join the damned "vb4 sucks" group. What irony; the fact that I can't reject it might coerce me into not only joining it but liking it.
vB4 sucks.

Also, the infraction hover icon doesn't appear when you hover over it on a post that has received an infraction.

[StankBacon]

invision supremacy.


-edit-

http://www.yogeshsarkar.com/blog/2009/10/24/vbulletin-4-experiment-gone-wrong/

[Rook]

Really, I don't see why we updated to vb4 in the first place

It's not too late to 'downgrade' e.g. upgrade.

[n00b1n8R]

where are my rotating forum titles!

[StankBacon]

How the fuck do I reject a group invite? I want to get rid of the notification so I now when I have actual notifications to worry about. All I can see to get rid of it now is to join the damned "vb4 sucks" group. What irony; the fact that I can't reject it might coerce me into not only joining it but liking it.


go here http://www.modacity.net/forums/group.php and click leave on the group, it willl ask if your sure you want to decline the invite... click yes.

notification gone.

[Rob Oplawar]

Thanks mr bacon.

I have another proposal. How about instead of trying to beat vBulletin 4 into something usable and instead of downgrading back to 3, why don't we get p0lar, klange, hunter, and anybody else with an ounce of PHP experience to help me finish the Greeble Forum module now that Greeble 3.4b is "done".

Seriously tho, vBulletin has some bloat and crap to it, but I have to respect its impressive feature list. Now that I've been working on this shit for several years I know how much effort goes into designing these things, whether or not the end product is actually good.
We can still hate it- god knows Microsoft invested a lot in Windows, and I still hate that- but as with Windows it's unfair to look at vBulletin and shout "how hard can it be". :P

[TeeKup]

C'mon Teek, you're an innovator. ;).

This is true....It'll grow on me when the bugs are sorted. I like the color scheme...wish it had a more angular design...then again I want everything in forerunner-esque design...

[flibitijibibo]

More picking: New Posts only goes to 20 results rather than 25 before adding a page of results.

[king_nothing_]

Arcade nao?

[CN3089]

yeah I still say IPB was the better choice but w/ever vb4 is here deal w/ it

[jcap]

Their new "Style Variable Editor" is the worst thing I have ever used. It fucking blows.

[TheGhost]

Works fine for me.

[jcap]

Explain to me how to use it on AIM. I don't give a flying shit that they have limited fields they want you to fill in. I want to see plain damn CSS. How the fuck do I even add my own CSS to it?

And obviously it's not working fine, because if it was, it wouldn't look as butchered as it does right now. There are so many edits that are just SO easy to make if they didn't fuck this version up.

[TheGhost]

They did it like this so that we don't have the problem we had with vb3, where we could never upgrade because it would break all of our templates. Makes sense -- we can modify a lot of stuff with StyleVars, and then only modify templates where absolutely necessary.

[jcap]

So my theory is correct about them wanting everyone to be the same. Communists.

:tinfoil:

So basically, if you want any shot at customization of your forum, you need to break absolutely everything and start from scratch. Cool. >>JELSOFT CAN SUCK MY DICK<<

[Bodzilla]

For threads with mulitiple pages it puts the page links underneath the user's name who made the thread.

Takes up 3 lines of space and clutters the forum a bit.

Go back to having the page links on the same line as the thread title

[Cagerrin]

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/TalonX/randomstuff/soylent.png

green bar out of nowhere?

e: well, it disappeared after I posted, so idk.

[Timo]

I can't seem to get a URL for a single post by clicking its post number? Instead it just refreshes the thread with the #post#####

[StankBacon]

why is it narrow?

[CN3089]

why is it narrow?

That's what she said

[p0lar_bear]

People, again, don't point out problems with the style UNTIL WE ASK IF THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. It isn't finished and things will inevitably fuck up as we mess with it. When a building is under construction, you don't walk up to the workers and tell them that the area they're working on looks bad and offer suggestions on how it should look at the end; they more than likely have a goal they're working towards.


Explain to me how to use it on AIM. I don't give a flying shit that they have limited fields they want you to fill in. I want to see plain damn CSS. How the fuck do I even add my own CSS to it?

Try reading my thread in the moderator forum sometime.

[rossmum]

vb4 is one huge issue

other than that, source theme

[Bodzilla]

i think the boat has already sailed on that suggestion rossmum

[rossmum]

shut up

additionally fuck change, fuck vb4

[rossmum]

*spergs out some more*

[jcap]

Just made a lot of changes for the better.

Fuck vB4.

[rossmum]

change it back to the old version jcrap!!! i'm having an aneurism

[jcap]

I'm too lazy to revert to vB3 :(

[rossmum]

do it or i'll unironically murder you irl

[Ganon]

the usual bitchers bitching for the sake of bitching

vb4 (will) owns

[sdavis117]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/spartan123209/vb4sucks.png

Fuck it, I changed every variable I found to gray (minus text, which I changed all the ones I found to white). ALL THE ONES I FOUND.

StyleVar sucks. I want to just be able to edit the goddamn CSS.

Edit1: Website censored because the site's host didn't want everyone to know that he made me a subdomain with vbulletin on it, otherwise everyone else would ask for one from him.

Edit2: Son of a bitch, I wrapped "Edit1" in Ninja tags.

[jcap]

All of Llama's posts are broken and I don't know why. Please fix this admins!

EDIT: Ok I know it's not my fault so please fix it.

[PlasbianX]

Okay I don't know if this has been addressed yet in this thread cause im too lazy to go back and search.. but on threads with more than six pages it displays the page numbers as:
[ 1 ] [ 2 ] [ 3 ] [ 4 ] [ 5 ] [ 6 ] [40] [...]

I believe it should show as

[ 1 ] [ 2 ] [ 3 ] [ 4 ] [ 5 ] [ 6 ] [...] [40]



Its like the same for an equation, you never write one as


1x + 2x + 3x + 4x + 5x + 40x + ...
It would be:
1x + 2x + 3x + 4x + 5x + ... + 40x

[p0lar_bear]

StyleVar sucks. I want to just be able to edit the goddamn CSS.

I recently found out that the raw stylesheets are stored in the template editor, under the CSS category. It pulls various values for its parameters from StyleVars.

Convoluted, but it allows for easier customization of a skin base, much like our own with the Halo and Source variants.

[Futzy]

Only half my screen is filled with your forum.

[Con]

I just posted a quick reply in a thread and it put my reply BEFORE 2 other people's. It went to the bottom when I refreshed.

[Rob Oplawar]

I just had exactly the same problem as Con. Weird.
By the way, p0lar, I love the way the Modacity Classic theme is looking on the forums index. Keep up the good work.

[teh lag]

I know I'm being a bit of an ass about this but "find posts by user" and "find threads by user" are seriously needed on the user page. Nobody has really acknowledged this, so,

Also find user messages and blog comments by user on the page would be nice but let's take this one step at a time to serve my needs.

And a side comment: not to be a doodyhead, but this whole thing vaguely reminds me of the new theme Gearbox got around the time everyone finally left... :ohdear:

[sdavis117]

"Find Posts by User" is already on there. It's under the profile picture. But "Find threads by user" is needed.

Edit: Looking at the list of posts made by Lag, the moderator tools are available to me. Don't know if I can use them (don't want to risk it).

[teh lag]

It displays the threads posted in though, not the posts themselves. And it orders them alphabetically (what the hell why????) even though my search settings are set to sort by date.

[Heathen]

the usual bitchers bitching for the sake of bitching

vb4 (will) owns

This

I just posted a quick reply in a thread and it put my reply BEFORE 2 other people's. It went to the bottom when I refreshed.
Just happened to me too.

Also, my rep and infractions are now doing like hunter's were.

On a side note, everything is looking better and it seems like things are on the up and up. Rep was fixed too, so I can change that stupid usertitle I have.

And posts stopped wasting a lot of space. Gj guys.

[jcap]

By the way, p0lar, I love the way the Modacity Classic theme is looking on the forums index. Keep up the good work.
:maddowns:

[Sanya]

I think it looks great...

[sdavis117]

I think Jcap's issue might be that p0lar probably isn't the only one who worked on this theme.

[Rob Oplawar]

Ack, sorry, thank you to everybody who's putting in extra effort to get this upgrade through. It shows you still care. D'aww. :)

[Heathen]

I think Jcap's issue might be that p0lar probably isn't the only one who worked on this theme.

thought that was obvious from his :maddowns: post

[Corndogman]

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa303/corndogman939/General%20Bullshit/modacitytextwack.jpg

This post your reputation on is extremely positive. Yeah as you can see the text is all out of whack there.

Don't know if that's a theme issue so don't get mad at me if it is.

[Timo]

Would it be possible to get a little more facebook-ey with the theme, and add lines down the left and right of the page? It looks odd with a gradient fading to nothing adjacent to blankspace. See attached.

e: It should also border the space inbetween the header/forum ?

[flibitijibibo]

Quick Question: Should attachments be before or after the sig??

[Heathen]

Before.

[flibitijibibo]

Apparently you need text, even after posting an image? Just tried posting in PFR (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16823&p=516788&viewfull=1#post516788), and it whined that I had nothing in my post.

[Inferno]

http://codebrainshideout.net/inferno/images/K.PNG

.

[ExAm]

And in that same screenshot, you see the weird shit that is happening with my sig.

[p0lar_bear]

And in that same screenshot, you see the weird shit that is happening with my sig.

Blame jcap; the line of dashes plus the > at the beginning of your sig makes it think the beginning of your signature is the end of an HTML comment, which jcap has thrown the old HTML for signatures into the postbits as a comment to work on later. This is the HTML of your postbit right now.


<div class="postbody">
<div class="postrow has_after_content">

<!-- AAAAAA FUCK JELSOFT FUCK THEM TO HELL

<h2 class="title icon icon0">
Re: vB 4.0 Post Your Issues
</h2>







-->

<!-- OLD CODE FROM NEXT LINE BECAUSE vBULLETIN IS FUCKING SHIT MOTHERFUCKERS
<div class="content has_ad">
-->
<div class="content">
<div id="post_message_516841">
<blockquote class="postcontent restore ">
And in that same screenshot, you see the weird shit that is happening with my sig.


<hr style="width: 98%; border-top: 1px solid rgb(119, 119, 119); display: block; margin: 10px 0pt;">
<font color="Green"><font color="black"><img src="http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/TheExAm/spysig.png" alt="" border="0"></font><br>

</font><b><font color="Green"> -----------[</font></b><font size="3"><b>SHIT IT'S DUPLICATED AND ON TWO LINES LOOK AT THAT</b></font><b><font color="Green">]------------</font></b>

</blockquote>
</div>


</div>
</div>

<div class="after_content">




<!-- OLD SIG SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCKFUCKUFKCUFKUCKFUCKUFKCUFUFCUFKCUFKCUFKUCKF UCKUFUCKFUCKFUCKUFKCUFUCK

<blockquote class="signature restore"><div class="signaturecontainer"><font color="Green"><font color="black"><img src="http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/TheExAm/spysig.png" border="0" alt="" /></font><br />
</font><b><font color="Green"> ----------><font size="3"><b>SHIT IT'S DUPLICATED AND ON TWO LINES LOOK AT THAT</b></font><b><font color="Green">]------------</font></b></div>


--&gt;

</div>

[flibitijibibo]

Wow, jcap really DOES swear more in his code than I do.

[p0lar_bear]

He's about 5 kinds of umad? right now 'cause none of us took the time to l2vb4. :saddowns:

[Inferno]

He's about 5 kinds of umad? right now 'cause none of us took the time to l2vb4. :saddowns:

He also ran out of things to complain about in MW2.

[teh lag]

I was writing a reply to a thread in quick reply. I decided to include a quote in it so I pressed the quote button under the post. My quick-reply reply went away and was replaced by only the quote.

Disable quick reply or something, this is really irritating.

Also, turn off blogs. They serve no purpose. If people want a blog they can get one of their own. All they do is divert discussion off of the main forums into a situation where posts can't be infracted or easily monitored. I'm going to keep saying this until I am shown a useful way for people to use blogs that couldn't be done on the forums.

[flibitijibibo]

Would you have liked to see my blog entries on the main forum? I also kinda like how people post their models and shit in a blog rather than shoving it all in one OP in Studio and bumping it with "updated," because (as I mentioned in Ep 13), it's a much better measure of time and shows more development in skills rather than just a massive wall of renders and shit that you have to break your mouse wheel to get through each time you open the thing up.

Edit for less exampley summary: The blogs are excellent for personal work/ideas and their development. Moderation can be done by the blog owner with ease. Lack of infractions is not a big deal.

[teh lag]

Well

http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=28 - yeah
http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=27 - why not, we already have threads like that in tech talk
http://www.modacity.net/forums/entry.php?b=15 - no comment

As for Studio threads - I'm fine with what we have there. Unless there's a "make blogs easy to organize and read" button I think the Studio is a far easier way to keep track of what people are doing. Maybe we just need to have better category filtering for blogs, I don't know. As it stands I hate them with a passion that rivals Jcap's for VB4.

[flibitijibibo]

... Really?

28 has nothing to discuss, 27 would be another annoying "wah i need a torrent" thread (again, nothing to discuss), and... well, 15 you seem to understand.

What about the blogs are difficult to read? As far as I can tell, it's just the Studio with previews of the posts. If one was set on seeing a specific artist's work, they could subscribe to the blog and not the thread, avoiding all the e-mails/messages that are usually just for someone else's comments.

[teh lag]

Nothing to discuss? 28 looks like a release - do we say release section posts belong in blogs? It's a small thing yeah, but so are a lot of releases. I wouldn't be put off if it was a Tech thread. Ditto for 27. We have requests all the time in there. Sure, no 8-page discussion from it, but I still think it'd be fine in a thread. What about CE requests - for a tag or tutorial or app or a quick fact that someone forgot; there's nothing to discuss there either. Should those go in blogs? I just get the feeling that they move things away from the forum just for the sake of using the system.

The Studio exists so people can have discussions about work. Blogs are a post followed by only comments that, as of now, you see in the "latest comments" section and once they're bumped off you'd have to go digging into the blogs to know they exist at all. I would hope that we consider WIPs and such as important enough to warrant full discussion threads. I see no problem with the situation as it is and no improvement to be made by moving that kind of thing to blogs as they are now. If we get a way to see blogs with the level of organization and ease of access that forum threads have, the fine. They're clunky and hard to navigate right now (5 blogs per page? No centralized categorization that I can see?) and I'd rather have the manageability that comes with threads. There at LEAST needs to be a better way to browse them than the 5-per-page linear system.

Maybe you're more used to them. Maybe they'll grow on me. I can't stand them now though.

[flibitijibibo]

I feel like we're saying the same thing about each other's methods. In case I'm full of shit, feel free to edit/expand; if we can get this in one comparison we could iron this shit out:

Thread Method:

Pros:
- Much more public due to it being a part of the forum (i.e. "New Posts" button).
- Can have a personal thread in a specialized subsection.
- Allows for having a single post of all work.
- Multiple projects can be on a single page.
- Common topic can be mixed in one thread for all to discuss in (i.e. Building a computer).
- Moderation by staff (infractions, moving of posts, etc.)

Cons:
- Work can get mixed between comments on other work, and vice versa.
- If the work is on the OP, comments may be too vague to identify what it's commenting on.
- If the work is on the OP (which will grow over time), you have to find the new art, then find the related comments.
- Earlier comments will inevitably become outdated with updates, releases, etc.
- Large common topic threads are prone to shitposts/derails, leading to the entire (and usually massive) thread losing its original purpose. (See: Quick-crit, Building a computer)
- Difficult to search for updates within a single thread.
- Difficult for owner of thread to manage thread themselves.
- Subscribing will include posts that aren't updates of work, but simply comments.

Blog Method:

Pros:
- Blog itself is a personal section for work.
- Allows for personal comments/requests to be made, allowing for less clutter on forum (such as the dozens of "I need a download" or "I have this error" threads).
- Such forum sections can be easily identified as places for broader discussions (i.e. about a game) or a mod release section, rather than a sophisticated version of /r/ (magnet for the wrong group of new people).
- Searching can be done per-artist.
- If working on multiple projects, can separate their updates with titles (see above).
- WIPs can be done post-by-post, making it easier to separate/publish updates.
- Separation of updates allows for separation of comments, making sure unrelated outdated comments are not in the way.
- Releases, while being posted in the blog, can still be posted in the proper section of the site. This prevents having a WIP and Release thread in the same section (unless, in the case of sections like CE, there is a specific release section).
- Entries can be moderated by the user, giving less busy work to the staff.
- Subscribing to a blog will only message about updates/releases, allowing you to avoid a flooded inbox from comments.

Cons:
- All blogs melded into one section on site (before categorization system).
- Not seen in "New Posts," giving possibility of obscurity.
- Updates/Comments limited to a single entry.
- Seeing entire list of work would require even moar post-scrolling. (Personal note: if they have this much work, shouldn't they be getting a portfolio website anyway? (i.e. Timo/Llama Juice/Reaper)
- Moderation limited (i.e. no infractions).

The reason I excluded 5 entries per page is because I'd be amazed if there weren't an option to change it.

[TVTyrant]

It doesn't find the first unread post for me very well. other than that its fine.

[p0lar_bear]

Ok guys, I added categories to the blogs, however because our forum style is under construction, it seems to jumble up the categories so they're out of order. They're supposed to have a heiarchy, but it's not working right. For now, please DO NOT USE CATEGORIES IN THE BLOGS.

[Heathen]

Finds it fine for me.

E: ninja'd by polar.

[jcap]

Another bug I noticed:

When logged out, DST does not automatically adjust, unlike the setting in user profiles that controls the +1 offset of time.

>>JELSOFT FUCKING SUCKS<<

[InnerGoat]

Jcap fix the computer specs

[Llama Juice]

Just gunna throw this out there 'cause I've only seen it posted by like one other person in this 19 pages of bitching... but.

Thanks for putting the effort, time, and money into trying to upgrade the site. Obviously it's not going quite as smoothly as one would like, but... *shrug* shit happens.

[Heathen]

I said it in reps :/

[Timo]

Disable quick reply or something, this is really irritating.
Argh please don't remove quick reply, it is great.

[Heathen]

why disable quick reply?!

[teh lag]

Not saying to remove it, just do something until it can work the way it's supposed to. Like, this post just appeared under Llama's and was labeled as post #0 until I refreshed. And then the quote problem.

[ExAm]

The editing/replying bar is fucked up in all of my posts. All the others are fine.

http://imgur.com/akBcx.png

[sdavis117]

The editing/replying bar is fucked up in all of my posts. All the others are fine.

http://imgur.com/akBcx.png
Same here, except it is also only with YOUR posts.

Strange.

[StankBacon]

i thought it was already explained that it was because of the <--> in his sig.

[Rob Oplawar]

That's from the HTML comment errors from the sig. Should be a simple matter of sticking a htmlspecialchars() in the sig output somewhere.
Odd, I thought vbulletin already did that... perhaps it's using the function to strip disallowed tags instead. Time to experiment with my sig.

e: After experimentation, it seems to be a bug in the way the browser parses the html, not a bug in the forum. Unless I am misunderstanding the way a browser is supposed to detect the end of a comment. It seems to be matching /--.*>/ as the end of a comment, rather than straight up "-->". Odd. But yeah, vBulletin correctly escapes all special html characters like gt and lt into their respective character codes, likely via htmlspecialchars.

[flibitijibibo]

Just came across this in PFR...
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9969/waitwutw.jpg

[CN3089]

Yeah, that is odd, why do Exam's posts have an option to add reputation

[Cortexian]

Just came across this in PFR...
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9969/waitwutw.jpg
Also experiencing this as well as the issue with quick replies being inserted into a thread above previous posts until you refresh the page...

[p0lar_bear]

Apparently vBulletin v4.0.2 just came out. I'm halting my style edits until it gets installed; it has over 200 bug fixes, hopefully some should address issues with the default style, which we are basically not much more than a slightly modified default.

[p0lar_bear]

aaaaand awesome, the upgrade fixed shit on the default skin. Gonna have to revert some edits to the Modacity Classic skin or something, so the fixes aren't immediately apparent to us.

[Timo]

I just tried to post a new blog but apparently I exceeded the amount of tags by 1. What's the point of tagging stuff if I'm no allowed to tag it at all ?

[jcap]

Everything is now worse than it used to be, despite it being partially broken before 4.0.2 upgrade. Solution: vB3.

[StankBacon]

unless you have a backup of the database and files before you upgraded, its impossible to go back..

of course going back you will lose all the posts since then, but that's not really a loss at all.

[Dwood]

Okay the little white area below this line: _____ and before my sig is really annoying.

[blind]

new themes

[Hunter]

You have finally fixed my damn User CP :P YEY!

[TheGhost]

Edit post button is now fixed, along with countless other bugs.

[Inferno]

VB4 is buggier than a brand new Mircosoft OS.

Yes, more vista jokes.

Also I can't tell if my recent reputations are + or - . It just displays the comment and post.
+ I can't see repuation I give out.
And ALSO I see no bars to determine the difference between warning and infractions.

[Heathen]

Lol, jcap is still going?

[chrisk123999]

^
|
Really annoying. (The Re: Thing)

[Heathen]

it was always there...