Call of Duty: Black Ops (NEW POLL!)

[Spartan094]

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World Premiere Uncut
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Launch Trailer
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Wager Match
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Customization for BO
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Looks good.

[=sw=warlord]

This one looks like it has hope but after Modern warfare 2, I'm skeptical.

[SiriusTexra]

Wow being released this year?


Fucking christ they pump out these cod games don't they.


Take a hint from Team Fortress, don't oversaturate the market with multiple versions of the same thing, it'll make people feel like they're over it before they even play it. Just the one good one will do for at least a while. Otherwise you split your multiplayer base up.

Though valve did kinda fuck the l4d multiplayer community in the exact same way.


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[Kornman00]

I don't think they'll add a Warthog in black ops (or any vehicles for that matter) so I'll be sticking to Reach...reach...reach

When are they going to start adding new features to this engine instead of new campaigns? Or maybe they'll have real dedicated server support this time around heh. TBH, I think they'd be better off doing this kind of stuff as expansion packs.

[jcap]

Looks like another game that will over-promise and under-deliver.

[JackalStomper]

Kinda bad poll, no 'maybe'. I mean it IS just a teaser

[annihilation]

Even though Treyarch is better at making CoDs I'm sticking with Reach.

[Spartan094]

I just hope you guys know after this, the very NEXT year cod 8 is coming out..like sirius said, they will pump out cod games every year, gives my grandparents something to buy me something for my birthday since November is my birthday month. And there is always a cod game around my bday so I don't waste my money :realsmug: then again getting cod games for my bday since 05 is boring.

E:

I don't think they'll add a Warthog in black ops (or any vehicles for that matter)
Treyarch did in cod5 make vehicles drivable and cod3 too. Pretty sure they might add vehicles, cause it makes it a lot better and they done it with all the cod games they did.

[Kornman00]

Ah, well I've only been spoiled by the MW games so I wouldn't know about the stuff Treyarch has done with the engine. So you could use the vehicles in MP? Or was it just campaign?

[Warsaw]

World at War let you use them in multiplayer.

[Pooky]

World at War let you use them in multiplayer.

WaW only gives you tanks though, and only on a few maps.

[Warsaw]

That's significantly more than MW or MW2 let you use. :haw:

But yeah. To be honest though, I never considered CoD to be much of a drivable vehicle type game.

[thehoodedsmack]

But yeah. To be honest though, I never considered CoD to be much of a drivable vehicle type game.

This. Death come so easily in those games, I can only imagine that vehicles would be impossible to balance. Is it possible to shoot down helicopters and planes brought in by kill-streaks? Yes. But put human operators behind their movements and targeting, and it could be a total suppression machine that would cause nothing but frustration.

[ODX]

I have a feeling they'll do much better with this one, seeing as WaW wasn't terrible but people didn't like how it just seemed like an uber mod of CoD4.

Then again, looking at the teaser...seems very much MW2-ish in terms of how it plays out. Seems like too much action, even if its purpose is to hype you up.

[Rook]

Didn't read too much but I prefer no vehicles actually, and I heard this one has dedis? Either way treyarch's call of duty games never interested me, we'll see.

[Needles]

That's pretty interesting, it reminds me of the BC games. I wonder if they're going towards the direction of bigger maps and vehicles now.

[Llama Juice]

I'm just not supporting the CoD series anymore.

I'm not even going to bother watching the teaser.

[SilentChaos]

The Call of Duty series is to diluted now, I've replaced it with Medal of Honor. I'm playing Halo Reach though.

[Cagerrin]

I'm just not supporting the CoD series anymore.

I'm not even going to bother watching the teaser.
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not playing reach, though I wish I was

(microsoft I would give you money if you put it on PC)

[Warsaw]

That's pretty interesting, it reminds me of the BC games. I wonder if they're going towards the direction of bigger maps and vehicles now.

Unfortunately, Bad Company seems to be getting more like Call of Duty. Compared to the first game, the new one is so much more restrictive. It has regenerating health, very linear levels, and no radio (this is very important! :maddowns:). Also, the tools are gone.

[Xetsuei]

This. Death come so easily in those games, I can only imagine that vehicles would be impossible to balance. Is it possible to shoot down helicopters and planes brought in by kill-streaks? Yes. But put human operators behind their movements and targeting, and it could be a total suppression machine that would cause nothing but frustration.

Chopper Gunner, AC130. Do you even play MW2?

[ThePlague]

Yeah but you can easily take those out. (yeah, I DO take out AC130's)

[ODX]

Unfortunately, Bad Company seems to be getting more like Call of Duty. Compared to the first game, the new one is so much more restrictive. It has regenerating health, very linear levels, and no radio (this is very important! :maddowns:). Also, the tools are gone.Because Bad Company was, at first, a console-only game (seriously what a stupid fucking idea) so they had to get rid of things to make it appeal to console fags.
Then PC gamers complained, so BC2 came to PC but it's still really a console experience.

[neuro]

ill put ti simple.

FUCK CALL OF DUTY!

WOULDNT TOUCH WITH A STICK!

[Pooky]

Should have been an option, 'I'll stick with CoD 4'. Not interested in this even slightly.

[Spartan094]

Bawww just play your halo reach. That's how companys will work, what ever can bring in the most players money while throwing out map packs that cost $10 then they are good. Well to them not us. Point is if you do something for console people PC people will bitch and want it. So you choose how to spend your money.

[Kornman00]

Yeah, supply and demand. Just like there is a community's worth of more-so hardcore gamers like us who view this as saturation, there is just as much casual who just play games after they get home from a shitty day, a shitty job, or a shitty life and will play the next new thing that's out because it's new and a distraction. They don't get stuck up in the details and drama, they just play the game.

[Xetsuei]

Yeah but you can easily take those out. (yeah, I DO take out AC130's)

That wasn't what I was responding to, try a little harder next time.


But put human operators behind their movements and targeting, and it could be a total suppression machine that would cause nothing but frustration.

[thehoodedsmack]

Chopper Gunner, AC130. Do you even play MW2?

I do, and I'm familiar with the AC130. But that's just targeting as a kill-streak bonus. The plane flies around in a set path. This is about adding full control of vehicles that can be accessed whenever ready.

[Rook]

This is about adding full control of vehicles that can be accessed whenever ready.

Yeah let's make the game even gayer lol!!

[thehoodedsmack]

Yeah let's make the game ever gayer lol!!

I'm not advocating it. I'm saying it would be a bad thing.

[ICEE]

Yeah let's make the game even gayer lol!!

Theres so many rocket launchers and grenade launchers in COD to choose from, it would be no problem taking out light vehicles.

[Rook]

But I don't equip tubes or launchers zzzzzzzz

[ICEE]

but light vehicles would justify the existence of such launchers. Because right now, lol.

[Xetsuei]

I do, and I'm familiar with the AC130. But that's just targeting as a kill-streak bonus. The plane flies around in a set path. This is about adding full control of vehicles that can be accessed whenever ready.

The point I'm trying to get across is that vehicles that can be accessed whenever ready would be less effective than actual controllable killstreak air support. With killstreak air support you don't have to control anything but the gun, the game does the flying which keeps you focused on killing. The only air support that is actually hard to shoot down is an AC130, and it's not like that would be a whenever ready vehicle. Most often when you get air support in MW2, especially on domination, it gets shot down fairly quickly. With whenever ready vehicles being harder to control, and just is easy to shoot down, I doubt they would be much of a problem.

So I'm going out on a limb here and saying that controllable killstreak air support gets you way more kills then whenever ready vehicles, therefore being more annoying/more of a hassle.

[annihilation]

Besides, AC130s are slow. It wouldn't matter.

[Spartan094]

Safe to say more people on modacity will be playing Halo Reach in Fall 10 then CoD: BO. Or unless Treyarch manages somehow to make a good game play video and such. Thou I will probably rent cod instead of letting my grandparents get me it for my b-day. Depends on what they can show more in a real video.

[Phopojijo]

Hmm... what does Modern Warfare + Vehicles (+ destruction) equal?

[Donut]

Hmm... what does Modern Warfare + Vehicles (+ destruction) equal?
+ decent balance - fuck stick developers = BFBC2
:lol:

[ICEE]

+ decent balance - fuck stick developers = BFBC2
:lol:

I went to frys the other day, and a dude walked up to me and asked which he should buy, modern warfare 2 or bad company 2. I laid out the facts in front of him. He thanked me and walked away with bad company 2, as well as bioshock 2, which I also sold him on.

his name was tree

[PenGuin1362]

Dear Treyarch, get your own franchise and stop mooching of the ideas of other developers. Thank you. owait, I forgot you fail at being a development company so this is your only way to make money.

[Inferno]

Dear Treyarch, get your own franchise and stop mooching of the ideas of other developers. Thank you. owait, I forgot you fail at being a development company so this is your only way to make money.

Hey guys. Everyone is complaining about martydoom and Greanade Lawnchairs in CoD4. WE SHOULD PUT THEM IN WORLD AT WAR. IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I'll bet you anything that there will be a new perk that allows you to hold 5 guns at once and reload them by spinning them around your fingers.

[=sw=warlord]

Hey guys. Everyone is complaining about martydoom and Greanade Lawnchairs in CoD4. WE SHOULD PUT THEM IN WORLD AT WAR. IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I'll bet you anything that there will be a old perk returned call Juggernaut.
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[Amit]

World at War had a decent campaign, which I actually enjoyed, but I can't say the same for the mutliplayer. I hope they learn from IW's mistakes in multiplayer, but I have a big feeling they won't. Just imagine if they come out with a system similar to IW Net?

I any case, MoH's campaign looks interesting.

[Rook]

World at War had a decent campaign, which I actually enjoyed, but I can't say the same for the mutliplayer. I hope they learn from IW's mistakes in multiplayer, but I have a big feeling they won't. Just imagine if they come out with a system similar to IW Net?



IWNet isn't that bad..it's ok how you get put in a game of your choosing with friends being on the same team at the start of a game instead of joining some half full dedi server with the game almost over. It would be a very viable system if they had official dedis set up for games instead of peer to peer.

[Amit]

IWNet isn't that bad..it's ok how you get put in a game of your choosing with friends being on the same team at the start of a game instead of joining some half full dedi server with the game almost over. It would be a very viable system if they had official dedis set up for games instead of peer to peer.

It actually is that bad. It matches you with hackers and people at the opposite end of the skill spectrum. IT ALLOWS HACKERS TO SEND YOU VIRUSES! It has to stop an entire game just to migrate to another host, often for 5 mins at a time, but then just crashes to the lobby. On top of that, the lag is just disgusting. Dedicated servers are no doubt the best option for online gaming. So what if you have to wait a couple of mins until the next round starts? I thought that was the point of jumping into the action right away. And who says you have to join a half full server? You can join a server that has any amount of people in it and you can still play with your friends. Also, dedicated servers can handle a lot more people and not be limited to a ridiculously low amount of people because the match making system can't keep up with it.

[ODX]

My biggest problem with the piece of shit is me rage quiting a game, then searching for a new one in the same playlist (like Domination since my team is always trying to play TDM >_> ).

What happens? The fucker puts me back in the same server I just quit from. I mean it's not like I instantly try to search again, but you think it would have some sense to find a new game, out of a couple thousand people playing a few hundred games. Honestly, no excuse.

[Warsaw]

I don't understand this host migration thing. Do games over Xbox Live get hosted on one of the player's Xboxes or something? If so, why the fuck are we paying $4 a month for multiplayer we should have when we are the ones hosting the goddamn games?

[Cortexian]

Most Xbox games are hosted on someones console, you're just paying for the matchmaking servers and such.

[Warsaw]

Oh wow, that's a load of crap...some of us don't even WANT the matchmaking services and would rather just browse a list of games...

[TeeKup]

Oh wow, that's a load of crap...some of us don't even WANT the matchmaking services and would rather just browse a list of games...

This gives games a more, homey feel. Sticking to the same server means sticking to the same players and environments, a comfort zone if you will.

[chrisk123999]

I don't understand this host migration thing. Do games over Xbox Live get hosted on one of the player's Xboxes or something? If so, why the fuck are we paying $4 a month for multiplayer we should have when we are the ones hosting the goddamn games?

That's why you get a PS3. I don't have to pay to play online.

[Warsaw]

PS3 does not have and never will have Halo games. Only one of my console-playing friends has a PS3. I also don't pay $4 a month for Live, I got the one month card from a friend for my birthday a year ago.

[Rook]

That's why you get a PS3. I don't have to pay to play online.

PC Gaming


Even though I generally don't touch those consoles I've played on both XBL and PSN, as far as consoles go you get what you pay for. PSN is shit lol.

[chrisk123999]

Obviously PC is better then consoles, but excluding PC I think PS3 is better then Xbox. Just because Xbox has the new Halo games doesn't mean Xbox is any better then PS3.

[Warsaw]

Well, it's subjective of course, but I think the 360 has the superior library. PS3 has: MGS4 (eh), Killzone 2, Uncharted 1 and 2, and Resistance 2. Those are the only games I would think about buying a PS3 for.

[Donut]

^all of those +god of war 3 just because i loved the first 2. other than that ill stick to my 360.

for future argument's sake, what exclusives besides gears and halo does the xbox have?

[Warsaw]

I honestly can't remember them off the top of my head. I don't even own most of them. For me, you might say the "360 exclusives" are all the original XBOX exclusives, because I have plenty of those and still enjoy them, even if I prefer to play them on their native console most of the time.

[Pooky]

I honestly can't remember them off the top of my head. I don't even own most of them. For me, you might say the "360 exclusives" are all the original XBOX exclusives, because I have plenty of those and still enjoy them, even if I prefer to play them on their native console most of the time.

The 360 can't even play Halo 2 without annoying graphical glitches :|

[Amit]

I don't think the console war debate was meant for this thread. Just saying.

[Needles]

If they include mods or a mode with no unlock-ables , dual-wields, no LMGs or scopes, no nade launcher, no death streak help, something like cod4 promod or PAM, maybe. The kill streak rewards in mw2 are just unfair and shitty, they aim way to well and constantly spawn camp easily getting 8-10 kills in about 2 min.

[Lateksi]

something like cod4 promod

Ye that would be dope. It's fun to play balanced games.

[Rook]

they aim way to well and constantly spawn camp easily getting 8-10 kills in about 2 min.
chopper gunner can get 10+ kills in less than 30 seconds

[Spartan094]

Stop going off topic or I will lock this. (stick with cod bo)

Or better yet soon since this topic has already pointed out Reach will be played around the same time as CoD. Unless they release a new video like tomorrow with gameplay...

[annihilation]

Stop going off topic or I will lock this. (stick with cod bo)

Or better yet soon since this topic has already pointed out Reach will be played around the same time as CoD. Unless they release a new video like tomorrow with gameplay...

>Implying a new video would change our minds.

I might get it along with Reach if I have the money.

[Spartan094]

True true. Mmmm I will lock this thread UNTIL they release a new video with actual game play sometime since this thread for now has served its purpose and has pointed out something in the polls.

[Pooky]

Stop going off topic or I will lock this. (stick with cod bo)

Or better yet soon since this topic has already pointed out Reach will be played around the same time as CoD. Unless they release a new video like tomorrow with gameplay...

Don't get your panties in a bunch. As of now there's very little to discuss about this game save for our expectations based on experience with previous CoD titles.

[Spartan094]

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And this is an uncut version.

[sdavis117]

http://kotaku.com/5539321/call-of-duty-black-ops-dedicated-to-dedicated-servers

There is a chance CoD7 will get Dedi servers.

[Spartan094]

I acutely wanna see FP legs instead of looking down there just to see there is no legs and they only show during special scenes.

[rossmum]

I want to see the CoD series finally stop, but apparently most people are still gullible enough to think any future games (let alone Treyarch ones) will be anything other than horrible

[thehoodedsmack]

When I heard Black Ops, I imagined something different. The trailer doesn't look like the game puts any emphasis on anything besides what we're used to.

[Spartan094]

I want to see the CoD series finally stop, but apparently most people are still gullible enough to think any future games (let alone Treyarch ones) will be anything other than horrible
You know they will keep milking the money cow just to make more money.

I also did think Black Ops might have been different but it just looks like modded mw2 with mw2's graphics and such.

[rossmum]

while we're on the topic about why the series needs to fuck off

has anyone else noticed the characters getting more and more whack proportionally with each passing title? in the first two, their legs were a bit stumpy; by mw2, they were sporting retardedly fat plate carriers and still had short legs, but at least still resembled humans. i see waw models being ported to source and have to double-take. not only are their legs even shorter still, their hands are twice the size they should be, their entire torsos are about two-thirds normal width (if that), and they have giraffe necks. the weapons are even more disturbing, it's like these people don't even bother researching or looking at refs. i understand some artistic license, but are you fucking serious?

has nobody at iw or particularly treyarch ever seen a real human being before?

[Pooky]

Hey, at least they got a bit better at animations. The 3P animations in Cod 1 were seriously fucking silly looking.

That said, I think that Cod people are a different species from baseline humans. It would explain not only their bizarre proportions, but also their ability to fire a .50AE desert eagle at 900 rpm without their wrists snapping and their hands flying off.

[ODX]

Ugh, this new trailer looks like a fucking action movie...oh gee, where have we just seen this before?

[Warsaw]

Hey, at least they got a bit better at animations. The 3P animations in Cod 1 were seriously fucking silly looking.

That said, I think that Cod people are a different species from baseline humans. It would explain not only their bizarre proportions, but also their ability to fire a .50AE desert eagle at 900 rpm without their wrists snapping and their hands flying off.

Lol, controller mods. I used a friend's friend's modded controller once, and I was like "WTF is this? No wonder this game has gone down the shitter."

[Pooky]

They're a lot less obnoxious since the firecap nerf, but still annoying.

[Spartan094]

They're a lot less obnoxious since the firecap nerf, but still annoying.
Dual-wielding deagles with slight of hand pro and steady aim. That's more annoying when your up close. But they won't have it in CoD: BO because of the year the desert eagles were made..or they might sneak it in.

[Cortexian]

Don't know about you guys but that latest trailer made me think of Bad Company 2 more than Call of Duty...

[Hunter]

It does seem like Bad Company 2, graphics did look really good, from what you can see from the stupidly fast clips...

If they don't add any new features such as a bit more interactivity with the environment - which in my opinion should be something they develop in games now, everything else ahs been done and is getting old - then I am going to rape them.

All they seem to do most of the time is make a new campaign and stick some new weapons in it :/ They need to do something good with the engine and add new features. I actually think they should make it a bit like Bad Company, so add vehicles, as long as they are not over powered... And DESTRUCTIBLE ENVIRONMENT!!!

[Spartan094]

Treyarch did add tanks in cod waw, so I would think they would add some type of vehicle in black ops.

[Hunter]

Wait, the same people who made WaW are making this one?


Its going to fail... massivly, again.

[rossmum]

Treyarch did add tanks in cod waw, so I would think they would add some type of vehicle in black ops.
and they did such a fucking depressingly horrible job of it that i would kill myself if i was a treyarch employee

also news flash i seem to recall cod original having at least one tank section

e/ and cod2 had several, where the fuck have you been

[Spartan094]

Over the rainbow?

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/03/no-co-op-for-call-of-duty-black-ops-campaign/


Though Call of Duty: Black Ops' (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/call-of-duty-black-ops) Cold War setting is a new feature for the series, one element of the game will stay true to the franchise's norms: the game's campaign will only be a single-player experience. Speaking to MTV (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/06/03/no-co-op-in-call-of-duty-black-ops-campaign-treyarch-promises-unique-co-op-modes/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MultiplayerBlog+%28Multiplaye r+Blog%29&utm_content=Google+Reader), Treyarch studio head Mark Lamia explained, "single-player is the epic, cinematic, seat-of-your-pants thrill ride that you star in," while the game's cooperative offerings will be packaged in completely separate "unique co-op modes."

Sounds fairly reminiscent of Modern Warfare 2's Spec Ops missions, though Lamia quickly clarified that Black Ops' co-op mode will be "different" from that of the last game in the series. Could we possibly see more zombies (http://www.joystiq.com/tag/call-of-duty-world-at-war-zombies) added to the mix? Hopefully, we'll find out more when we check out the game at E3.

And treyarch did do co-op before for waw but not this time, meh. And zombies? Again the only reason why people will buy CoD:BO is for zombies and they will talk non-stop about it, I know it, just like WaW.

[ODX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgHmroPUt90

Oh look, same walking/sprinting animations as MW2.
Oh look, same run-and-gun shit gameplay.
Oh look, care packages/multiple killstreaks.
Oh look, the first reload you see is a clear 'idea copy' from MW2's SCAR reload.
Oh look, the first weapon you see also has Bling.
Oh look, a replay system (end of video) that probably isn't nearly as good as Halo 3's.
Oh look, callsigns just like in MW2.

OH SHIT, BALLISTIC KNIFE...oh wait that's just their take on the throwing knife in MW2.


Fuck this shit.

[Jean-Luc]

Oh look, same walking/sprinting animations as MW2.
Oh look, same run-and-gun shit gameplay.
Oh look, care packages/multiple killstreaks.
Oh look, the first reload you see is a clear 'idea copy' from MW2's SCAR reload.
Oh look, the first weapon you see also has Bling.
Oh look, a replay system (end of video) that probably isn't nearly as good as Halo 3's.


OH SHIT, BALLISTIC KNIFE...oh wait that's just their take on the throwing knife in MW2.

Were you REALLY expecting Black Ops to be anything other than Modern Warfare in a different time period? MW1 and 2 are two of the most popular shooters to ever exist and both have extremely solid gameplay. Changing it up would have been an idiotic move on the part of the developers and on Activision. They know what the fans want.

[ODX]

No, I wasn't, but I just want to point out all the same shit anyway and hope more people notice and stop buying this same shit over and over.

Because I've already bought it 3 times, fuck me.

*Edit: Also, lol at the ballistic knife. He shot it off, then stabbed a guy before putting in another knife (but the model showed a knife being in it).

[iizahsum]

truthfully, I won't be playing this or reach ( no Xbox but I probably wouldnt get it anyway not that i don't like Halo, I just think its megaly over hyped) I will be playing New vegas and probably Lost planet 2 pc if it releases in september ( I think it was september?) and some random Indie games.

CoD has been hyped to the point where it should only appeal to elementary school kids. With its basic story to its fuck all assisted shooting. I normally would abck up treyarch and say that WaW wasnt a huge mess but after seeing the multiplayer and gameplay I just shook my head in dissapointment.

[TeeKup]

Wait a minute....3 kill streak gets you a rover drone...that explodes....

[Donut]

oh great, a "theatre" mode. i suppose now i can actually figure out what the fuck killed me.
seriously though, a theatre mode is a nice feature to see. there have been a few plays on my part that have kicked ass, and a few times i would have liked to see how somebody did something, or where everybody was camping. the knife makes me laugh. its like a throwing knife, except now with this one you dont even have to worry about gravity or lead.

but oh my god fuck me, youtube will be full of even MORE "look how pro i am i play on 10 sensitivity and spin in circles in online public matches firing blankly with my bolt action rifle getting lucky kills that i pass off as skill even though its just cod's ridiculous autoaim" videos. but the trade-off there is being able to save the film of your team mate in search and destroy coming across the last enemy player (who is afk) and attempts a 360 noscope snipe 8 times unsuccessfully and uploading it as a video response to the inevitable montage that the player will later upload. can you tell i dont like those kids? lol.

but yeah, all in all, theatre mode looks kind of cool.

E: and GOD DAMNIT give me a playlist that disables killstreaks. what the fuck, is it really that much to ask for? and another issue in these games since cod4 is the ability to look over walls. the way your first person camera and gun are situated, in 3p the bullets basically come out of the top of your head. so you can be hiding behind a wall, or have a bit of a height advantage, and you can shoot somebody who cant even see you. that is so disgustingly fucked up that they havent fucking fixed that in 3 games. i guarantee you they wont fix it in this one either.

[ODX]

the knife makes me laugh. its like a throwing knife, except now with this one you dont even have to worry about gravity or lead.It's a ballistic knife, belongs to the Spetsnaz (so of course, it fits well into the game). If you noticed, like I said, he shot it off, stabbed a guy where the knife just fucking reappeared, then put in a new knife.

Showing errors/bugs in your own game in the fucking MP Trailer. Way to go.

*Edit: Also there is a playlist on MW2 with no killstreaks. It's called Barebones.

[t3h m00kz]

I don't get why the last two poll options are there.

Wouldn't that fall under "won't buy"?

Some of those weapons seem really unique. I haven't missed a single COD game so far (except for some expansions), so I'll be buying.

[iizahsum]

actually alteriwnet has a mode called "global thermo nuclear war" and kill streaks are disabled; apparently it was supposed to be in game but got removed for some reason. Probably for being to fun.

[Donut]

yeah i remember people inviting me to global thermonuclear war lobbies on xbl. they all wanted 1600 ms points for it though, and thats like 20 bucks. fuck that shit and fuck their shit. it did look fun though.

and is that barebones playlist on xbl? i havent put mw2 into my xbox for over 3 months now. i figure im on summer break and i dont feel like being in a fowl mood :v:

E: odx i saw the knife in the video. what im saying is that the throwing knife in mw2 at least required the skill to lead the knife in order to hit your target. now theyve taken that concept and gotten rid of the skill element essentially making the knife just as easy to use as bullets

thats another thing that bothers me. in cod4, weapons almost took skill to use. ALMOST (im looking at you m16 and m40a3 acog whores). weapons like the ak47 were difficult to use at range because there was noticeable visual recoil that made tracking your target difficult. the m14 is another example. it is animated so its firing animation causes the weapon to move off target, making it significantly more difficult to aim with than, say, the g3 or g36c. by choosing a more powerful weapon like the ak47, you suffer diminished ability to engage targets that are further away, whereas with the g36c, you can fire very accurately but do alot less damage.

mw2 takes this formula and removes the recoil. the two guns i use the most frequently in mw2 are the tar21 and the fal. like the m14, the fal is semiautomatic, and thus does more damage at the cost of firing speed and having to pull the trigger "manually" for each shot. UNlike the m14, the fal has almost no visual recoil, and therefore i can engage targets further away firing as fast as i please. id also like to mention how mw2 does NOT have a firing cap (at least that im capable of reaching). much like the ak47, the tar21 advertises an automatic rate of fire and very high damage (arguably the most powerful assault rifle in the game) at the cost of accuracy at range. in theory, the stats reflect this. in practice, because of the lack of recoil, the tar21 can hit people just as far away and just as accurately as the fal. thus i ask, what is the point of a highly accurate but less damaging gun like the acr?

tl:dr, as cods move on, they become easier and easier to play, taking more and more skill elements out. what it really has come down to is knowing where to be at what time, and camping. thats it. its fucking bullshit.

[Rook]

E: and GOD DAMNIT give me a playlist that disables killstreaks. what the fuck, is it really that much to ask for?
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/102166879-4.jpg

Also this game has my pre-order. :)

[Yoko]

Oh look, same walking/sprinting animations as MW2.
Oh look, same run-and-gun shit gameplay.
Oh look, care packages/multiple killstreaks.
Oh look, the first reload you see is a clear 'idea copy' from MW2's SCAR reload.
Oh look, the first weapon you see also has Bling.
Oh look, a replay system (end of video) that probably isn't nearly as good as Halo 3's.
Oh look, callsigns just like in MW2.

OH SHIT, BALLISTIC KNIFE...oh wait that's just their take on the throwing knife in MW2.


Fuck this shit.
I too pre-ordered the game just because of this post

[Syuusuke]

RC hotwheels with a bomb!

[Donut]

rook what im asking is if its on xbl too. i figure it would be, but who knows given iw's reputation.

[Pooky]

in cod4, weapons almost took skill to use. ALMOST (im looking at you m16 and m40a3 acog whores).

Surprisingly, very few people seem to understand this. M16 RDS and M40 ACOG are shit weapons for shit players, hth.

[t3h m00kz]

Oh look, same walking/sprinting animations as MW2.
Oh look, same run-and-gun shit gameplay.
Oh look, care packages/multiple killstreaks.
Oh look, the first reload you see is a clear 'idea copy' from MW2's SCAR reload.
Oh look, the first weapon you see also has Bling.
Oh look, a replay system (end of video) that probably isn't nearly as good as Halo 3's.
Oh look, callsigns just like in MW2.

OH SHIT, BALLISTIC KNIFE...oh wait that's just their take on the throwing knife in MW2.


Fuck this shit.


I too pre-ordered the game just because of this post

.

[Kyle]

If you want a realistic war experience, join the military. This is a video game, nothing about it has to be, or is, realistic at all.

In all honesty, I don't think the IERC will be that big of a problem. It's pretty much a predator missile but moves much more slowly and you don't get an aerial view to drop it from. This limits you to using it on an enemy in your line of sight, driving after someone via UAV/Radar, or sitting in one spot exposed while driving it around. The ballistic knife is pretty ridiculous, and I hope that you only get one or two shots with it and that it is effected by gravity.

Apparently the reticle is customizable. Also, there may or may not be a 'jump and go prone' option, which is nice to see (though I hope you are unable to shoot while doing so). It seems there is a napalm kill streak as well, and hopefully they have a game mode that disables kill streaks like in Modern Warfare 2.

I for one am more interested in the story than the multiplayer as I kind of enjoyed the story in Modern Warfare 2 despite its ridiculousness. Also, is a zombie mode confirmed? Part of me was hoping instead of zombies, they went with communist aliens or something new and more interesting.

I'll get it when it goes on sale on steam (which, seeing how MW2 is still $60, may be a few years), or if I really feel like spending $50 $60(?) on it.

[TeeKup]

M16 RDS, M40 ACOG, UMP, ACR, SCAR, FAMAS, Intervention (you are not a replacement for my R700)...

People who use these weapons. Fuck off.

[Yoko]

You think I'm lying but I'm not ! (besides it was a free pre-order for trading in vidya games and it might be a good game)
http://bacon.modacity.net/img/images/bobbykoticksbestgameever.jpg

[ICEE]

I never played the first one, but in mw2 something is seriously fucked up with the scar. its ridiculously powerful. also, fuck shotguns. fuck all of them

[TeeKup]

M1014 with grip and extended mags is a bastard.

[iizahsum]

or you know the shotgun you get right off the bat, SPAS, and never misses a target 50 yds+ 1 shot kill.....

[ICEE]

what makes the famas different from the m16? they both seem to be buttfuck powerful and accurate

[Inferno]

We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops? We promise we fixed all the problems with the last Call of Duty game. Why don't you buy Call of Duty: Black Ops?

http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/news2001/18804/bobby_kotick2.jpg

I bet you guys can't wait for the new $30 DLC. It will only cost $35! It will have all the maps from MW2 in it! And it will only cost $40!

[ODX]

I for one am more interested in the story than the multiplayer as I kind of enjoyed the story in Modern Warfare 2 despite its ridiculousness.Indeed I too am somewhat excited for the campaign. The setting is something I suppose is 'unique,' and with the way that Treyarch copies Infinity Ward so much not even in just MP, but SP too (think: Ghillie in the Mist>Vendetta) and with the amount of variety found in MW2, it's [hopefully] safe to say this campaign will be just as fun (and action packed ._.) as MW2's.

Or, they could say "MP is the best it gives money screw SP lololol" and fuck us over big time.

[TeeKup]

or you know the shotgun you get right off the bat, SPAS, and never misses a target 50 yds+ 1 shot kill.....

Yeah M1014+Grip+Extended mags becomes that, only it's semi automatic.

People can complain about the rangers all they want. But an M1014 with grip and extended mags is a goddamn bastard. The striker.....well the striker is an even bigger bastard with extended mags. Just ask Sever.

[ThePlague]

MW2's campaign was a shitfest. Action packed? More like let's put a shit load of enemies everywhere with autoaim, and try and make the main character go right through them, and see how fast he gets shot with a rocket, at close range. (seriously though, storyline was alright, but how they made it sucked dick, imo)

[iizahsum]

Personally the highlight of the campaign in MW2 for me was when your in D.C. it just felt intense, the music was pretty spot on with the "drama" and the overall setting really set a dark mood, the rain helped as well. everything after that seemed like it tried to some super stealth yet everything explodes action movie.


Actaully now that I think about it, ever since CoD 4 the Marine levels were the ones I actually really enjoyed. My favorite Task force levels would have to be the first level of CoD 4 and the airplane one that gives you like 30 sec. to complete.

[Yoko]

I bet you guys can't wait for the new $30 DLC. It will only cost $35! It will have all the maps from MW2 in it! And it will only cost $40!
Bobby will add silly hats you can get from random drops in game but you have to pay $15 a month to be able to earn them

And I would pay him every month to do it until Gaben sues him
http://bacon.modacity.net/img/images/babbykotick.jpg

[Donut]

we have already seen that its a clone of mw2. the scoring system is the same, the art style is the same, and the whole experience is going to be the same. normally when we have these threads, somebody comes along and says "you cant make any judgments on gameplay because you havent played it", and NORMALLY i would agree with them. its the fact that all of the recent call of dutys basically play exactly the god damn same way. its clone after clone of cod 4. we all know how its going to play out.

console gamers, consider this: cod4 through blackops (and probably another too in the near future) have all been on the ps3/xbox360. this means you use the same live account or psn for all of these games. what if every cod game played differently, had totally (or at least somewhat) different gameplay, and wasnt basically just a rehash of the last game with more/different/the same toys. theyre all on the same system, so you wouldnt be inconvenienced to switch between consoles, and the series wouldnt be so fucking obnoxious.
i mean clearly theres money in exploiting the sheep gamers and giving them the same god damn thing over and over again without fixing any problems, but for fucks sake, the game has so many fundamental issues that people just ignore. why the fuck cant developers FIX the god damn issues in addition to making some pretty new models and photocapped textures? its not like they really have to think the gameplay out or anything. im pretty sure any one of us can think of 10+ major gameplay issues with any call of duty game right off the top of our heads.

[paladin]

Surprisingly, very few people seem to understand this. M16 RDS and M40 ACOG are shit weapons for shit players, hth.

Your right, real pros use M4's with 4x ACOG and red dot

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6194/mmspicture2i.jpg


Its a point and shoot game. Each gun does the same amount of damage.

[Pooky]

Its a point and shoot game. Each gun does the same amount of damage.

I don't think I even need to elaborate on how stupid this is, but I will anyway.

Besides the fact that different guns do vastly different amounts of damage (http://www.cod4central.com/cod4-weapons-chart.php), there are a lot of other factors which determine the overall effectiveness of a weapon. Recoil, idle sway, damage falloff, noise level, multipliers, magazine size, reload speed, etc. In this case, the M16 has an edge over virtually every other weapon, in every category besides extreme range sniping ability and full auto spray. It's simply too effective in a vast majority of situations, rendering most of the other weapons redundant in a competitive environment.

Bear in mind that I'm referring to the CoD 4 incarnation of the M16. MW2 is far too unbalanced and horrible for me to even care about.

WXDTEVgp8s4

[Donut]

its a point and shoot game where every weapon does a different amount of damage, has different damage multipliers, and standoffs where two people unload and one person survives by one shot are all too common. paladin i would expect you to understand that

[Rook]

I don't think I even need to elaborate on how stupid this is, but I will anyway.

Besides the fact that different guns do vastly different amounts of damage (http://www.cod4central.com/cod4-weapons-chart.php), there are a lot of other factors which determine the overall effectiveness of a weapon. Recoil, idle sway, damage falloff, noise level, multipliers, magazine size, reload speed, etc. In this case, the M16 has an edge over virtually every other weapon, in every category besides extreme range sniping ability and full auto spray. It's simply too effective in a vast majority of situations, rendering most of the other weapons redundant in a competitive environment.

Bear in mind that I'm referring to the CoD 4 incarnation of the M16. MW2 is far too unbalanced and horrible for me to even care about.

WXDTEVgp8s4

Hm? Regardless if they do slightly different things just choose any assault rifle or an UMP/Vector from the SMG section and you're good to go. :)

[Yoko]

MW2 is far too unbalanced and horrible for me to even care about.

How is running around knifing with Marathon Pro-Lightweight Pro-Commando Pro unbalanced? Also you didn't post any examples of why MW2 is unbalanced or weapon comparisons, tell me more

[ICEE]

Its a point and shoot game. Each gun does the same amount of damage.

If you're not trolling, you're just wrong. You can look up precisely how much damage a single shot from each gun does, and they are very different.

[Donut]

yoko i already gave an explanation of the tar21 being unbalanced. look back and youll find it.

another example: one man army / danger close / grenade launcher. you end up with infinite grenades / ammo to launch at people. while you do lose your secondary weapon, its hardly an issue with a gun like the tar21 that kills so quickly anyway. when you play a whole team of people using grenade launchers, you rarely have a chance to do anything without getting blown up because the range is so huge on them

another example: 3 round burst weapons kill in one burst, and landing the 3 rounds isnt difficult to do.

another example: the spas12. aside from its rate of fire, there is basically no reason to choose any other shotgun. it has such a ridiculous range compared to any other shotgun

ANOTHER example: the marathon pro / lightweight / commando thing. the ump kills so god damn fast that you rarely have an opportunity to react to people using it. in addition to that, they run ridiculously fast and have a huge knife lunge range to take you out with. aside from a few maps, there arnt many places where you can have a decent amount of time to react to knifers. have you ever played against a whole team of knifers? it sucks. alot.

[Inferno]

How is running around knifing with Marathon Pro-Lightweight Pro-Commando Pro unbalanced? Also you didn't post any examples of why MW2 is unbalanced or weapon comparisons, tell me more

Lol,
You are a good troll. Trying to imply that MW2 is balanced.

You do realize you can win a match in MW2 with just just air support? How is using your killstreaks to get more killstreaks balanced? How is a chopper gunner balanced?

[Rook]

You do realize you can win a match in MW2 with just just air support? How is using your killstreaks to get more killstreaks balanced? How is a chopper gunner balanced?

Hey inferno this weapon called the stinger, it shoots everything down in one shot except for ac130 and pavelow. Equip it to a "blow shit down' class along with cold blooded next time you go in game.

[t3h m00kz]

I don't think I even need to elaborate on how stupid this is, but I will anyway.

Besides the fact that different guns do vastly different amounts of damage (http://www.cod4central.com/cod4-weapons-chart.php), there are a lot of other factors which determine the overall effectiveness of a weapon. Recoil, idle sway, damage falloff, noise level, multipliers, magazine size, reload speed, etc. In this case, the M16 has an edge over virtually every other weapon, in every category besides extreme range sniping ability and full auto spray. It's simply too effective in a vast majority of situations, rendering most of the other weapons redundant in a competitive environment.

Bear in mind that I'm referring to the CoD 4 incarnation of the M16. MW2 is far too unbalanced and horrible for me to even care about.

WXDTEVgp8s4

Ironically, I thought the MP44 was extremely OP. Especially in hardcore mode. A single shot anywhere was a kill... and it didn't wobble. at all. I got somewhat decent at sniping across Overgrown with it..

That chart doesn't mention anything about weapon wobble either. Which is a big part of the game. The M16, G3 and MP44 don't wobble at all, where as the M4, AK and I THINK the G36 and M14 all wobble.

[DarkHalo003]

The only problem I have with CoD (in Multiplayer, not campaign) is that it gets sort of redundant after a while, especially when all the "pros" do is call in choppers and nukes, neither of which are balanced at all. The game is fun at times, don't get me wrong, but it gets old after a while, especially since once you get to a certain level it's all either headshots, snipers, SMGs, or Akimbos.

[Donut]

well now youre getting into playerbase issues, and not so much issues with the game itself. profags suck (except you m00kz, and inferno too :P), lets just leave it at that.

[t3h m00kz]

That's pretty much Xbox Live in general. Not just COD.


The only problem I have with CoD (in Multiplayer, not campaign) is that it gets sort of redundant after a while, especially when all the "pros" do is call in choppers and nukes, neither of which are balanced at all.

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/102166879-4.jpg

[Rook]

The only problem I have with CoD (in Multiplayer, not campaign) is that it gets sort of redundant after a while, especially when all the "pros" do is call in choppers and nukes, neither of which are balanced at all. The game is fun at times, don't get me wrong, but it gets old after a while, especially since once you get to a certain level it's all either headshots, snipers, SMGs, or Akimbos.


Hey inferno this weapon called the stinger, it shoots everything down in one shot except for ac130 and pavelow. Equip it to a "blow shit down' class along with cold blooded next time you go in game.


Chopper is really easy to take out what's to bitch about?

[Inferno]

Sure a chopper is easy to take out. Oh wait, no one actually ever bothers because they are too busy equipping OP perks and akimbo glocks to use a stinger.

Why balance a game when you can just throw more crap into it and hope it balances itsel. Then if the community complains, patch the game and charge 20 bucks.
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[Spartan094]

Yo dawg
I heard you like the m16, ak47, juggernaut in MW1
I heard you like the mp40, MG42, juggernaut in WaW
I heard you like ACR, UMP, M16, TAR-21, Famas, SCAR, WA2000, Glock 18, Spas-12, Ranger, m1014, model 1887, rpg's, all the perks in MW2.

Just imagine if they did add a grip feature to the Assault Rifles in mw2....har.


A public beta would have helped a lot for MW2 during that summer. Same for Black Ops, but they "said" there will be one..

[ODX]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gt-pop-block-call-of/702708?type=flv

Some stuff in there I hadn't noticed, but still nothing groundbreakingly new.

[Donut]

all my bitching aside, that is a pretty cool trailer. the music is awesome.

[Cagerrin]

oh look, they made the minimap a grid. just like Battlefield did, um, eight years ago.

[annihilation]

MW2 has scarred me for life.
I dunno 'bout this.

[TeeKup]

Truth be told, I might rent it. Only because the environments and atmosphere interest me. Otherwise it's just going to be a MW2 clone.

[Ifafudafi]

Truth be told, I might rent it. Only because the environments and atmosphere interest me. Otherwise it's just going to be a MW2 clone.

this

No way I'm plonking down $60 for this, but World at War was actually kind of fun. Renting means that Activision doesn't get any more money then they already made from the rental service and I get to pay considerably less for a game I wouldn't want to keep.

[ODX]

Really all I care about is the story (as people have said before), multiplayer is the same crap I've already got three different versions of.

Why do I need a fourth?

[ThePlague]

Pssh, I won't even rent it. I'll mooch it off of a friend if I want to play it. (doubtfully will)

[Amit]

How is running around knifing with Marathon Pro-Lightweight Pro-Commando Pro unbalanced? Also you didn't post any examples of why MW2 is unbalanced or weapon comparisons, tell me more

Holy crap. Where have you been?

[Yoko]

Black Ops Collector's Edition comes with a real remote controlled car!

Bobby Kotick just sealed the deal right there

[iizahsum]

Black Ops Collector's Edition comes with a real remote controlled car!

Bobby Kotick just sealed the deal right there
Does it explode?

[Spartan094]

Does it explode?
I'm sure you can buy some grenades or dynamite from some rednecks. :v:

Now I face an issue since I want the Reach console and I want that remote controllable car :ohdear:

[ODX]

Here's an easy question: which one will you find more entertainment from for a longer time period?

[DarkHalo003]

I need to reply more often.....

I saw the Barebones Pro playlist. I love the campaigns (so there's a tiny bit of motivation), but if I do get BlackOps, it'll be sheerly to play that one playlist.

[Timo]

I'll just rent it, fuck paying $130 for another MW2 (which I didn't buy either)

[Pooky]

How is running around knifing with Marathon Pro-Lightweight Pro-Commando Pro unbalanced? Also you didn't post any examples of why MW2 is unbalanced or weapon comparisons, tell me more

Back when I actually cared enough to try, I posted lots of things both here and on the IW forums suggesting how MW2 could have been improved. No one cared then, and I don't imagine anyone still playing this game actually cares now. If you search around hard enough, I'm sure you can find a few of my rants.

[paladin]

:gonk:

International production companies dont listen to what I say.

:gonk:

[Pooky]

:gonk:

International production companies dont listen to what I say

:gonk:

Not just me, a lot of people. A good portion of Infinity Ward's fanbase that have been around since Call of Duty 1 were disgusted with MW2. Go look in their forums, it's pretty much a seething pit of rage and hate. I have a hard time imagining that Black Ops will do anything to redeem the series in the eyes of veteran CoD players.

I realize now that if IW (and I guess Treyarch, but they were never good) wants to ditch their hardcore fanbase in favor of 'flavor of the year' kiddies, no one can really stop them. The only thing people like me can do is stop buying their games.

[paladin]

$$ > a few thousand people

[Amit]

$$ > a few thousand people

Why do you fuel the fire then?

[paladin]

how so. By telling those of you who whine to not buy the game if your not satisfied with it? Why even post a thread if all your going to do is say how bad it is?

[Pooky]

how so. By telling those of you who whine to not buy the game if your not satisfied with it? Why even post a thread if all your going to do is say how bad it is?

I um...

What?

Do you actually read the thread, or do you just look at the last post and write the first idiotic thing that comes to mind?

[Inferno]

Why even post a thread if all your going to do is say how bad it is?

Why post a thread about a good game if all your going to do is praise it?


Philsopherno

[Amit]

how so. By telling those of you who whine to not buy the game if your not satisfied with it? Why even post a thread if all your going to do is say how bad it is?

You stated that money will always win over the voices of a few thousand players. Yes, especially at Activision. You bought the game knowing that. Why do you let them dictate what YOU WANT rather than letting them know yourself? Why do you buy shit you already own: Hidden DLC maps, maps from games you already own, stolen maps from the community.

When you say we whine, bitch, and moan because we're not satisfied. What the hell is there to be satisfied with if the game is not even out yet? We are simply letting everyone know that it's a clone of the previous fucking game in another timeline with the same features with a couple sprinkles on top to make people think it's different. EA is trying to pull this same shit: BC2->MoH. Same game, different skins and models.

[Donut]

sometimes all we can do is bitch about the existing games to make us feel better and help us take our minds off of the bleak direction the videogame market seems to be going. and who knows, maybe one day somebody will see these rants, get inspired, and go start an independent game development group and put out some of the best games yet. wishful thinking, but at least thats my motivation.

[iizahsum]

Which is why I try to support Valve, and Indy game devs as much as possible. Not to mention the games are actually enjoyable.

[ODX]

'Leaked' gameplay of a snowy level, features the crossbow a lot. Skip to 8:00 if you want to see most of the screen though, instead of just the left side due to horrible camera placement >_>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE7c45KQj_w

[343guiltymc]

Video no longer available.

[paladin]

You stated that money will always win over the voices of a few thousand players. Yes, especially at Activision. You bought the game knowing that. Why do you let them dictate what YOU WANT rather than letting them know yourself? Why do you buy shit you already own: Hidden DLC maps, maps from games you already own, stolen maps from the community.

When you say we whine, bitch, and moan because we're not satisfied. What the hell is there to be satisfied with if the game is not even out yet? We are simply letting everyone know that it's a clone of the previous fucking game in another timeline with the same features with a couple sprinkles on top to make people think it's different. EA is trying to pull this same shit: BC2->MoH. Same game, different skins and models.

I dont let them dictate what I want. If the game doesnt look interesting to me, I simply wont buy it. What I dont do I go on the internet and complain about what its not.

[Donut]

if nobody says anything, then how will it change?

[Spartan094]

You have opinions people.

You can like it or not, you can buy it or you don't have to buy it, you can play it or you can stick with some other games.

You can rent it and not buy it, you can criticize and bash it here but treyarch wont bother to come here to look.

[Donut]

and we cant attempt to raise awareness of shittiness in video games?

[paladin]

if nobody says anything, then how will it change?

Dont buy the game. That says you dont like it. Having to announce to the world your not going to buy something is arrogant. Do it via twitter.


and we cant attempt to raise awareness of shittiness in video games?

I cant even begin to say how ridiculous that sounds. Every year theres someone at the beach with a legalize marijuana petition...

[Pooky]

I dont let them dictate what I want. If the game doesnt look interesting to me, I simply wont buy it. What I dont do I go on the internet and complain about what its not.

I can't tell if you're really that stupid, or just a bad troll.

People have just as much right to say they think a game is going to suck, or that it's bad, as you have to post that it's going to be good.

Some people seem to remember that CoD used to be good, and it could be again. If nobody ever complains, nothing gets fixed.

For my part, I just don't care anymore.

[Donut]

paladin, like i said before, im seeing nothing but a bleak future in the videogame industry. in the past few years there have been a ton of game releases. i can only think of a handful that were actually good. big corporate heads are using the industry to get money, and fucking over the gamer. look at activision. look what theyre doing with their games. look was ubisoft did with assassins creed 2 on PC. this isnt about marijuana, this is about people not doing anything about getting fucked over. marijuana is an issue of legality. this is an issue of some greedy fuck not caring about the end consumer. the more people that realize this -> the less people put up with this shit -> the more inspired people that create their own indie game development teams -> reforming the whole industry. im not sitting here talking out my ass with wishful thinking. what i suggested is a legitimate reality. we have seen plenty of indie devs so far. the shit theyve been putting out is great. look at minecraft for example: programmed from scratch in java by one guy, costs 10 euros to play forever, and its a fucking awesome game.

does anybody ELSE think i sound stupid right now? please speak up if you do, because i dont think what im saying is too stupid. im sure somebody here agrees with me.
E: i know im coming off as a bit inflammatory here, and i mean you no disrespect paladin, but the main point here is look how popular call of duty is. look how many people play this game. the ridiculously vast majority of the playerbase are idiots who dont care how shit the game actually is. they just care about it because its the name brand. its almost turning into a fucking abercrombie and fitch deal: playing the game because its popular. i figure let the industry split in two directions: the sheep who blindly play the shitty corporate games, and the intelligent gamers like us who choose good games. im almost making gaming sound like a religion, but thats because for some of us it fucking is.

[ODX]

I've actually been made fun of because I "don't play hardcore Call of Duty" and play games like Super Mario Galaxy 2 instead.

It's really, really sad.

[Syuusuke]

It woudl be more hilarious if you could kick their asses in cod

[Rook]

paladin, like i said before, im seeing nothing but a bleak future in the videogame industry. in the past few years there have been a ton of game releases. i can only think of a handful that were actually good. big corporate heads are using the industry to get money, and fucking over the gamer. look at activision. look what theyre doing with their games. look was ubisoft did with assassins creed 2 on PC. this isnt about marijuana, this is about people not doing anything about getting fucked over. marijuana is an issue of legality. this is an issue of some greedy fuck not caring about the end consumer. the more people that realize this -> the less people put up with this shit -> the more inspired people that create their own indie game development teams -> reforming the whole industry. im not sitting here talking out my ass with wishful thinking. what i suggested is a legitimate reality. we have seen plenty of indie devs so far. the shit theyve been putting out is great. look at minecraft for example: programmed from scratch in java by one guy, costs 10 euros to play forever, and its a fucking awesome game.

does anybody ELSE think i sound stupid right now? please speak up if you do, because i dont think what im saying is too stupid. im sure somebody here agrees with me.
E: i know im coming off as a bit inflammatory here, and i mean you no disrespect paladin, but the main point here is look how popular call of duty is. look how many people play this game. the ridiculously vast majority of the playerbase are idiots who dont care how shit the game actually is. they just care about it because its the name brand. its almost turning into a fucking abercrombie and fitch deal: playing the game because its popular. i figure let the industry split in two directions: the sheep who blindly play the shitty corporate games, and the intelligent gamers like us who choose good games. im almost making gaming sound like a religion, but thats because for some of us it fucking is.
no ones getting fucked over for the 100th time, if you don't like the game don't buy it. if you wanna be sure you're playing a good game buy valve pc titles.

[Yoko]

sheep who blindly play the shitty corporate games, and the intelligent gamers like us who choose good games
IN THE CITY, ONE GAMER

ALONE AGAINST THE HORDES OF ACTIVISION FANBOYS

DECIDES WHAT GAMES ARE BAD...

AND WHAT ARE GOOD.

THIS NOVEMBER IN THEATERS EVERYWHERE:

DONUT TELLS US WHAT WE SHOULD LIKE,

AND IF YOU LIKE CALL OF DUTY, YOU'RE UNINTELLIGENT

[ICEE]

DONUT TELLS US WHAT WE SHOULD LIKE,

AND IF YOU LIKE CALL OF DUTY, YOU'RE UNINTELLIGENT

This excerpt from your anecdote is non fiction.

To be honest, he's right. While he may have been a bit extreme in saying that the gamer is being "fucked over", the industry puts out a lot of hyped up shit. Whether or not you think COD is an example of a shitty track-game is irrelevant. It's pretty obvious that this is a common trend.

[Donut]

yeah fucked over was a bit much, but jesus christ you guys. way to totally disregard everything else in my post and jump on the one part that suggests im calling you guys stupid. im not. im saying cod is a poorly done game, and if you think its a good game, then youre wrong. fun maybe, but not good. i enjoy mw2 from time to time too, albeit usually only for about 5 minutes before it pisses me off, but you get the idea.

[ODX]

It would be more hilarious if you could kick their asses in codOh ho ho, no no! I'm on PC so I'm instantly a noob and don't know how to play the game because I don't have hardcore Xboxxxx !!

[Kornman00]

I've skimmed the last 20 posts and saw a lot of bickering.

Every single industry has it's crapshots. The majority of the human race has been sheer crap, but the minority which hasn't has kept the others afloat. As long as there are big drivers in play (ie, GTA, Halo, WoW, etc) there will be others who will coast off them. The big dogs show there is a market, which others will always try to get in on. While some of the more "hardcore" gamers may see what they think is a crappy knock off or complete bust of a game, there will be some average joe out there who will end up buying said knock off.

So no matter what you think, say, or do, you cannot stop the rest of the population from being themselves. There will always be a Ying and a Yang, two sides to the coin, an equal and opposite action/reaction.

There will always be bandwagons too. No stopping them either, because once you get a snow ball rolling, it won't stop until it hits something it can't roll over.

So everyone: shut the fuck up. Get back to talking about the new CoD game. I don't want to come back after hearing or seeing some jaded little bitch getting all emo about what they think is "wrong" with games or the industry. Music has its shit. TV has its shit. Everything has its shit. Deal with it. Flush what's yours, pull up your pants, and drive on.

End. Of. Story.

[Yoko]

I liked mw2 so I think Black Ops will also be a good game

I bet most of you that say mw2 is turrble and that Black Ops will be turrble haven't even played mw2 ~

[Kornman00]

I've played MW (not online) and MW2 (both campaign and online). Aside from the various glitches that riddled it at release, it was alright. However, there hasn't been anything in the past CoD games that really set them apart from other shooters to where I would want to actively play them. To me, they also don't do enough balancing acts. Why would you, in matchmaking, shove a fresh face into a match which has people already half way thru another prestige? They could also learn a thing for two about UI design and usability testing.

Because of those bad experiences, I haven't kept up with BO so I don't even know if they've fixed these previous issues.

[Pooky]

I've played MW (not online) and MW2 (both campaign and online). Aside from the various glitches that riddled it at release, it was alright. However, there hasn't been anything in the past CoD games that really set them apart from other shooters to where I would want to actively play them. To me, they also don't do enough balancing acts. Why would you, in matchmaking, shove a fresh face into a match which has people already half way thru another prestige? They could also learn a thing for two about UI design and usability testing.

Because of those bad experiences, I haven't kept up with BO so I don't even know if they've fixed these previous issues.

You might feel differently if you had tried Call of Duty 4 online, as it's dramatically better than any of the CoD games that have come since. Rank, even prestige, makes very little difference in matchmaking since you start with the most OP gun in the game at level 1. The weapons you get from that point on go from general purpose to being more and more specialized.

[Rook]

To me, they also don't do enough balancing acts. Why would you, in matchmaking, shove a fresh face into a match which has people already half way thru another prestige? They could also learn a thing for two about UI design and usability testing.

Because of those bad experiences, I haven't kept up with BO so I don't even know if they've fixed these previous issues.
Makes it faster and easier to get a game together for one, and people can be max prestige without even playing a lot. That is if they get into hacked lobbies.

[Yoko]

Why would you, in matchmaking, shove a fresh face into a match which has people already half way thru another prestige?
Me and Rook played a game with a guy who was bragging about being level 70 10th prestige. He went 2-27. Especially in PC levels don't really mean anything; in MW2 you get decent guns to start out with too. AK47 is the last assault rifle to unlock and it's been underpowered after cod4, the good ARs and other weapons you unlock early/have already. Of course there are moments in MW2 where Bobby Kotick never fails to piss me off, basically when anything happens in that game. People just hate it because IW didn't cater to PC players needs, hopefully they'll fix some of their problems in Black Ops. If they do I'll buy a dedi for all of you!

[TeeKup]

I don't know, I could hit pretty hard with the AK-47. Even still though it is out matched by the bloody ACR.

[Pooky]

People just hate it because IW didn't cater to PC players needs, hopefully they'll fix some of their problems in Black Ops. If they do I'll buy a dedi for all of you!

I hate MW2 because it sucks, I've only played it on the xbox.

[Donut]

http://www.totalvideogames.com/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops/news/Activision-Drops-CoD-Subscription-Hints-Again-14981.html
http://www.totalvideogames.com/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops/feature-15404.html

anybody else heard about this? rumors surfacing that blackops will have a monthly subscription fee for online.

"In addition to downloadable content, we expect to explore, analyse and pursue opportunities to expand the brand into new geographies, genres and business models. We look forward to sharing more details with you regarding our plans in the coming months," said Activision CEO and President, Michael Griffith in a post-report conference call.that doesnt sound like a subscription fee to me though. sounds like theyre going to do something similar to halo wars later on. then i read this:

When asked more recently about the one decision (http://www.totalvideogames.com/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops/news/Kotick-Talks-Up-Online-Subscription-Charges-For-CoD-15396.html) he would make if he could, Kotick claimed:

"I would have Call of Duty be an online subscription service tomorrow. When you think about what the audience's interests are and how you could really satisfy bigger audiences with more inspired, creative opportunities, I would love to see us have an online Call of Duty world. I think our players would just have so much of a more compelling experience."you can see the basis for the concern of pay for play online. does anybody have any other sources on this?

[paladin]

Two words. Xbox.

[Donut]

if youre talking about xbl, thats the users pay monthly, 3 month, or yearly for a universal live service. the idea here is that cod:BO has its own pay to play system on top of that. unless this pay to play thing is pc only. there isnt any specific confirmation yet as far as i know so idk what to say at this point. i figured its worth mentioning.
E: lol paladin, two words?

[ICEE]

http://disney.spiderpaws.com/images/phil.gif

Two words kid: XBOX


But yeah, that is disturbing. On top of that, I don't see how COD could be expanded past match-based games. An entire online world? Call of warcraft anyone? What comes to mind is a massive open world, far cry 2 style, except instead of AI its a bunch of dudes walking around shooting each other without time limit. (this might be fun if implemented correctly, but not really more of an expansion of the game than a giant map).

[paladin]

Im p sure p2p is for PC only.

But you never know V:iamafag:V

[Amit]

GFWL Gold was paid for a couple years, why the hell wouldn't they try it? I doubt BO will have this subscription service, though. Treyarch doesn't try hard to piss off their fans. They just copy the shit IW does and then add some features. I particularly liked WaW's European Campaign. I know they got some PC loving guys at Treyarch too.

I expect this kind of bullshit to hit MW3.

[p0lar_bear]

I read that as Kotick considering a Call of Duty MMORPFPS, which really, ain't too far from Modern Warfare 2's current design. Just throw in some character customizing, paperdolling, and scrap the main menu interface for an in-game hub, and you've got World of Duty/EverCoD.

Hell, Pooky and I were comparing MW2 and WoW's addictive features one night, and they're scarily similar...

e: Also, you forgot the "I'm too damn poor to play this vidya game" option.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Gungame
:iamafag:

[Amit]

Gungame
:iamafag:

I would fucking play gungame to death. Right after crackers crack the online and I pirate the game.

[Spartan094]

kg_8mPoloBo

Eh. Generic and they reused some animations very badly.

Personally I would buy it but Ima rent it because Reach won't be shiity in gameplay compared to BO.

Also a minigun? Fuck this, I'll spray the fuck out of you so its 100x worse then the last games when I sprayed :smith:

[Donut]

so now its call of duty with a reason not to lose besides your K/D? its cool that theyre adding new game modes, but christ its going to be all campers and people abusing whatever weapon ends up being the new mp5 or ump. im glad that gametype is its own game mode.
E: that "gun game" mode is kind of cool. i like how they said it came from the community. it seems treyarch are listening to their fans.

[Yoko]

E: that "gun game" mode is kind of cool. i like how they said it came from Counter Strike:Source. it seems treyarch are copying off successful, long-standing vidya james.
Also wager matches are gonna be camp outs where everyone is afraid to move and risk losing in game money, bring tents and marshmallows

[343guiltymc]

Dear god, why must they encourage more noobtube tactics with that video?

[Donut]

oh, figures they ripped it off from another popular game. either way, it still kind of looks cool. it would be nice if they had a playlist for that let you play those new game modes but without that risk of losing dollars. something tells me youll need them for unlocks or something

[paladin]

Gun game is totally CSS. Also, the graphs looks worse than MW2, is Treyarch using the same engine?

[annihilation]

Gun game is totally CSS. Also, the graphs looks worse than MW2, is Treyarch using the same engine?

The same engine with some modifications.
Imo, I think it looks better.

[ODX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94SolEtpnc&feature=recentlik

Whoa...they've actually added quite a bit. Chances are this will make people think Treyarch>IW though, which seems kind of likely now in some ways to be honest.

-Theatre
-New Game Modes
-Player/Perk/Weapon Customization+
-Contracts (kind of like Challenges, watch the video for info)

[Cagerrin]

I'm not sure I can hate this. Looks like they're trying to make it a bit more fun than, say, the pile than was MW2.

[Spartan094]

I'm not sure I can hate this. Looks like they're trying to make it a bit more fun than, say, the pile than was MW2.
I'm gonna agree with you on this, it's more creative and seems more fun then MW2. But it did change my perspective of what BO is.

[ICEE]

I'm not sure I can hate this. Looks like they're trying to make it a bit more fun than, say, the pile than was MW2.

This. I really like the different gametypes they're introducing. Wager match sounds very interesting. To prevent camping, they should add in a function that calls in a mortar strike on your position if you stay in one spot for to long.

[Cagerrin]

This. I really like the different gametypes they're introducing. Wager match sounds very interesting. To prevent camping, they should add in a function that calls in a mortar strike on your position if you stay in one spot for to long.
Then set it up so the time can be set server-side, and play games with it set to 3 seconds.

[ICEE]

Then set it up so the time can be set server-side, and play games with it set to 3 seconds.

yes. If only COD didn't have a guerilla war against customizable gametypes

[Donut]

i just feel like as cool as the new stuff looks right now, the gameplay will ultimately succumb to the same issues mw2 has. ridiculous weapons that everyone wants to whore (ump, m16, etc...), the broken sniper system (that strafe shot thing that every asshole makes montages of), teamwork being thrown away while everyone worries about their own killstreaks, and various animation problems that lead to things like drop shoting and shooting over walls without exposing yourself. yes, you can do that.

hopefully im wrong and blackops ends up being better than mw2.

[ICEE]

except now people may actually have something to lose other than a KDR at the hands of COD's bad gameplay and code.

[Spartan094]

Lol se7senSins is at it again, remember how they said Call of Duty Black Ops was "unmodable"

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5397815/call_of_duty_black_ops_mods/

I think not, this will turn into another MW2 and will be out right shit MP again.

[Kornman00]

What idiots claimed a COD game was "unmodable"?

Good. Hope fully all the shit users in Reach will migrate over to this game and griefstorm it up there instead.

[Limited]

What idiots claimed a COD game was "unmodable"?.

CoD's community person, he basically said they wanted people to mod the beta, so that they could see what people did, he also said they have tricks up their sleeves for the retail version, was saying lobbies won't be hackable. I hope they are, just because they made such a bold statement saying it wasnt possible, I hope they have to eat their words.

Also, it says 4/2 players...should that be 2/4 players?

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

http://www.justin.tv/blackops_hd#/w/501058624
not mine but some of you might wanna watch.

[Spartan094]

Eww, every Call of duty after WaW sucked. Black Ops looks even now more of a bigger mod of MW2.

[Pooky]

Eww, every Call of duty after WaW sucked. Black Ops looks even now more of a bigger mod of MW2.

WaW sucked pretty horribly, too.

[Spartan094]

WaW sucked pretty horribly, too.
I thought it was "decent" thou not as good as CoD 4, shit was great especially when I just got an xbox live account during the Halo 3/CoD 4 hype of 2007/2008, brings good memories of both during xbox live and real life heh. But that's off-topic now :parrot:

[Warsaw]

World at War was pretty much Modern Warfare with a World War II skin and vehicles.

[cheezdue]

World at War was pretty much Modern Warfare with a World War II skin and vehicles.

Black Ops looks like to be the same thing as well.

[ICEE]

I uninstalled WaW with disgust after playing the first level, and finding myself trapped on a linear path that was surrounded by invisible walls. I couldn't go off into the trees for a better shooting position, and I couldn't even walk into the enemy's huts. MW2 I at least finished the entire campaign before uninstalling it in disgust.

[annihilation]

Sleight of Hand | Sleight of Hand Pro

Ability: Gives a faster reload time by reducing your weapons reload time in half. This is extremely useful with weapons that have long reload times, like shotguns and light machine guns.

Pro Ability: Allows you to aim down the sight ~50% faster than normal. This doesn't work with weapons that have scopes.

Good thinking.

Also, for those who havn't seen the perk list. http://www.cod7blackops.com/perks/

[TeeKup]

Seems they actually balanced that perk. Seeing as how every person in MW2 used SoH Pro if they were the least bit intelligent about "sniping" in that game.

[Limited]

Still undecided whether to get this game or not, its going to be crazy expensive and if like MW2, wont have dropped in price after 2 fucking years.

[Rentafence]

So about nazi zombies in Black Ops...

http://kotaku.com/5677841/you-wont-believe-who-is-killing-zombies-in-call-of-duty-black-ops

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

:v
Black Cops.iso

[Futzy]

Fucking pyong every time I see that fucking bug I have to resist punching my screen. I still fall for it afters years.

[Rentafence]

What big said

[ICEE]

So about nazi zombies in Black Ops...

http://kotaku.com/5677841/you-wont-believe-who-is-killing-zombies-in-call-of-duty-black-ops

Looks neat, actually. However the problem is, playing as kennedy in COD is just like playing as carmine in gears. No matter how much ass you kick, you know how it ends.

[Amit]

:v
Black Cops.iso

Restrain yourself....in public. Indulge....in private.

[t3h m00kz]

So about nazi zombies in Black Ops...

http://kotaku.com/5677841/you-wont-believe-who-is-killing-zombies-in-call-of-duty-black-ops

pfff ahaha wow

if it's one thing I'll say about treyarch, they're definitely innovative.

can't wait~

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Fucking pyong every time I see that fucking bug I have to resist punching my screen. I still fall for it afters years.

Lol!

Is it really that old?

Also, 27 min woo

[Spartan094]

:v
Black Cops.iso
GPD or it didn't happen

:smith:

[cheezdue]

Dibs on Castro!

[Futzy]

Lol!

Is it really that old?

Also, 27 min woo
I'm pretty sure the first time I saw it was back in 2004 on Halomods.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2010/img1661h.jpg
:D~

[Spartan094]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ7foo4vDr4
Before activision rapes it.

[Limited]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ7foo4vDr4
Before activision rapes it.Damn I was too slow.

[paladin]

I cant wait for this game...

[ICEE]

oh COD, always breaking through the foreboding clouds of obvious mediocrity with a shining ray of gimmick.

That said, I would like to play as nixon... I wont lie.

[t3h m00kz]

there any way for me to get rid of that eyesore of a poll on the top of this screen?

[TeeKup]

I'm actually getting very tempted to buy this now. >.> I'm liking a lot of the balance changes they've made, but there are still some outliers that concern me. The biggest being the "boom buggy"

[Spartan094]

there any way for me to get rid of that eyesore of a poll on the top of this screen?
Admins need to make an option to delete a poll or change it or reset it with their approval, this poll is shitty anyways seeing I got mad from MW2. And I can't do anything about that poll, admins bro.

Damn I was too slow.
I got the video downloaded in a wmv and uploading it to mediafire.

[Amit]

I got the video downloaded in a wmv and uploading it to mediafire.

What is it a video of?

[Spartan094]

What is it a video of?
zombies and the ending of Black Ops which isn't much of a impact of raging.

Damn I was too slow.
http://www.mediafire.com/?u6bwyu5lfklo74g

I got you and everybody else covered. Title name = CoD Black Ops Zombies - PENTAGON MAP (PLUS ENDING TO GAME SPOILER!). Don't worry the game ending is a random guy saying you did it, bunch of heli's/jets in a awesome scene and then just JFK walking and in a car The game ending isn't like Halo Reach where you rage because your dumb, watched it, and got mad, Black Ops ending has no significance at all.

[Pooky]

I'm actually getting very tempted to buy this now. >.> I'm liking a lot of the balance changes they've made, but there are still some outliers that concern me. The biggest being the "boom buggy"

If I were going to get this, I'd have to wait for at least 2 months after it came out and hearing everyone's opinions on it. That seems to be how long it takes for the novelty factor to wear off for a lot of people.

[Necr0matic]

http://www.heahea.org/img/1062/Carl_of_duty_black_cops.jpghttp://www.heahea.org/1062-Carl_of_duty_black_cops

Will be buying this, just for the Zombie levels, got up to like level 40' something in World at War, hopefully this will have DLC maps and whatnot. (AND LIGHTING GUNS)

[§partan 8]

I cannot decide what to buy this is fucking hard. Metal of honor or Black Ops.

[Amit]

I cannot decide what to buy this is fucking hard. Metal of honor or Black Ops.

Medal of Honor is an instant no-buy.

Why anybody would drop $60 on this game is completely beyond me. I played through the campaign on the hardest difficulty level in 4.5 hours. There's a serious problem there. That was including the 40 minutes I spent trying to fix the bugged out second mission when calling in airstrikes due to the laser being cock blocked by a building. There is no way to fix that without restarting the level. The amount of the restrictions is so great, even more invisible walls are in place than BC2's campaign. Oh and by comparison to any game that has been released in the past two years, the campaign has the worst graphics I've seen. BC2's graphics are soooo much sharper and clearer.

The only good thing I can say about the campaign is that it has some epic moments nearing the end of the campaign. Still, when the game was finished, I was left asking: "This is it?" Something that I said similar to the cliffhanger ending for Halo 2. You end the last mission expecting to head to the next one and then the credits start to roll, but not before they throw in a random cutscene about the obvious sequel.

Now for the multiplayer, it was developed by DICE so the multiplayer portion was buttloads better than the campaign. The graphics were better, the gameplay was a tiny bit smoother, but it is way too easy to kill people. One shot to the foot with a sniper rifle shouldn't kill somebody. Not even if its hardcore mode or whatever.


Black Ops actually looks to be shaping up with the ridiculous amount of detail, content, and balancing Treyarch is putting into the game. I'm still with Pooky on this one, though.

[DEElekgolo]

Played the SP. No change in core-gameplay as always and not much is new other than graphics and weapons(which seem like a new gun idea hastily shoved into the game). The SP experience is amazing though, as with the other COD games. The story telling and the minimal amount of clichés makes it seem new. I don't see myself playing MP any time in the future.

A gametype with only pistols, ORIGINAL, DO NOT STEAL
Omg saved films? Never been done before, now I can make COD machinima
Exploding cross bow bolts, RC cars that explode, bullets that set stuff on fire, COD is so creative. 0 day buy, 10/10 original games, pinnacle of FPS gaming.

[ODX]

MP is the same reskinned shit I've already played twice over (WaW, MW2), screw buying it again. The only thing that would make me buy this would be the single player.
Also yes I am raging silently over the weapon animations as well. They still majorly suck.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Medal of Honor is an instant no-buy.

Why anybody would drop $60 on this game is completely beyond me. I played through the campaign on the hardest difficulty level in 4.5 hours. There's a serious problem there. That was including the 40 minutes I spent trying to fix the bugged out second mission when calling in airstrikes due to the laser being cock blocked by a building. There is no way to fix that without restarting the level. The amount of the restrictions is so great, even more invisible walls are in place than BC2's campaign. Oh and by comparison to any game that has been released in the past two years, the campaign has the worst graphics I've seen. BC2's graphics are soooo much sharper and clearer.

The only good thing I can say about the campaign is that it has some epic moments nearing the end of the campaign. Still, when the game was finished, I was left asking: "This is it?" Something that I said similar to the cliffhanger ending for Halo 2. You end the last mission expecting to head to the next one and then the credits start to roll, but not before they throw in a random cutscene about the obvious sequel.

Now for the multiplayer, it was developed by DICE so the multiplayer portion was buttloads better than the campaign. The graphics were better, the gameplay was a tiny bit smoother, but it is way too easy to kill people. One shot to the foot with a sniper rifle shouldn't kill somebody. Not even if its hardcore mode or whatever.


Black Ops actually looks to be shaping up with the ridiculous amount of detail, content, and balancing Treyarch is putting into the game. I'm still with Pooky on this one, though.

I got the game free so maybe I'm being biased but:

1. The graphics where not that bad at all.
2. I liked the story. (Especially the ending)

[ODX]

Interesting thing about MoH was how the SP used Unreal 3 and MP used Frostbite 2.0.
Personally though I thought the Multiplayer looked much cleaner than SP..ironic, seeing as most all games have a better looking SP.

[Futzy]

Interesting thing about MoH was how the SP used Unreal 3 and MP used Frostbite 2.0.
Personally though I thought the Multiplayer looked much cleaner than SP..ironic, seeing as most all games have a better looking SP.
Borrowed it from a friend. SP was mediocre. Only good part was the ambush where you're in a little building and guys are coming at you from down the mountain and the part right after it with the helicopters. Didn't even get to try the MP because EA is a massive faggot.

[Limited]

For me, if someone was to show me a video of MW2 MP, and then Black Ops MP, I would have no idea which was which. That is a fucking big problem. I don't want to pay out the ass amounts for the game, which will not go down in price for at least 4 years. For a game that is exactly the same as MW2. Okay the perks are slightly different, and there will be new maps, but really when I buy a new game I don't buy it because its the same crap just with a new map.

I am liking the sound of SP though, the whole your black ops stuff is pretty sweet. Yet I wonder how long it is?

[ODX]

I don't know but they've hid quite a bit about the Single Player, from what I've seen so far it looks pretty neat though.

An easy way to tell the difference between the two games though is how gritty looking Treyarch's games are...also the origins are worse :V