PSN hacked, all user info stolen

[Timo]

Seven days after the network goes down, I get this email:

...Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state/province, zip or postal code), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained. While there is no evidence that credit card data was taken at this time, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, to be on the safe side we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained...
Needless to say i've gone already changed all passwords to crap that uses the same login/pass combo, and cancelled my CC.

tl;dr
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/DrForester/SonyIsntGoodWithComputers.gif

[StankBacon]

LOL

[=sw=warlord]

Well I guess you get what you paid for.
Oh..wait NVM.

[ThePlague]

I thought Anonymous is behind PSN being down.

[TeeKup]

I just signed up to derp around online on a friends PS3, it's been a long time so I don't think it automatically wanted my CC since its technically "free" but whatever, I'll change some things then.

[TVTyrant]

Anonymous are terrorists. They don't give a fuck. Gotta fund their fight somehow lol.

However this doesn't seem like something they would do. And I am not condemning what they do. I'm just saying that they are technically terrorists. Running a group like that does cost money, and they have to fund it somehow...

[k4is3rxkh40s]

Running a group like that does cost money, and they have to fund it somehow...

Not so much defending them but I don't think you quite understand how it works

[Kornman00]

From what I understand (can't find the article I last read), the down time resulted from people getting their exploited PS3s on the regular PSN network (which may or may not have been the way they grabbed other user's info, I forget). There was also the issue of people using their consoles to get on the debug PSN, get content for free, then taking that content back online in their PS3 in the regular PSN network. Since there is an assumed trust that the debug PSN network (partner-net in the Xbox realm) is secure, the PSN accounts on there didn't need real CC info to "purchase" content. Pretty sure the inital down time wasn't from Anon, but oh well, Sony was asking for it, fuck 'em in their corporate ass (sorry PSN users, shit travels down hill as they say!).

I don't understand why they're just now fighting this obvious flaw. MS has dealt and known about people using debug kits (real and faux) to get on pnet and download DLC/arcade games for free (pnet live accounts just have a pseudo-CC account attached to them) for a while, which is why they have multiple "pnets" (hmmm, or pnuts heh) which trusted developers can use.

[DarkHalo003]

And to think I almost signed up for PSN RIGHT BEFORE this happens. Not having the money at hand is sometimes a blessing.

[Aerowyn]

Anonymous are terrorists. They don't give a fuck. Gotta fund their fight somehow lol.

However this doesn't seem like something they would do. And I am not condemning what they do. I'm just saying that they are technically terrorists. Running a group like that does cost money, and they have to fund it somehow...

You're right. This definitely isn't the work of Anonymous or they would be trumpeting the achievement on 4chan. As it is, the majority of 4chan users are between the ages of 16-24 and probably don't have the slightest idea of how to hack something on that grand a scale.

My sister just bought a PS3 off my friend, and was using his account. Wonder what we should do...

[TVTyrant]

Not so much defending them but I don't think you quite understand how it works

No I do, but there are these things called computers. They cost money. I really don't think it was them though. Their not "evil" terrorists. I see them as being similar to the IRA (sorry UK users) or Hamas (sorry Israel fans). They are mostly fighting to end corruption and gain rights, which I support.


My sister just bought a PS3 off my friend, and was using his account. Wonder what we should do...

Probably call him and tell him to cancel his accounts.

[n00b1n8R]

No I do, but there are these things called computers. They cost money. I really don't think it was them though. Their not "evil" terrorists. I see them as being similar to the IRA (sorry UK users) or Hamas (sorry Israel fans). They are mostly fighting to end corruption and gain rights, which I support.
The anon who actually do the hacking A) Have fuck all to do with 4chan, B) Have their own computers but use botnets for attacks and C) have already stated they meant no trouble for the PSN users after one of their last (shit) attacks.

So MK9 just came out the other day, the PS3 version got Kratos.
Guess what the 360 got (online)

[TVTyrant]

I have already agreed they don't have anything with 4chan. Computers still cost money. And I have stated twice I didn't think it was them. I agree with what they do. Still doesn't mean their not terrorists.

[Cortexian]

I don't think you understand how botnets work. They don't cost money.

[TVTyrant]

Edited to be less of a jackass:

I understand this. But do physical computers not cost money?

[Bodzilla]

so you funded your gaming computer from drugs and stealing peoples credit cards?

[Warsaw]

Edited to be less of a jackass:

I understand this. But do physical computers not cost money?

That's just the point though. They don't even need their own computer to do this. All they do is hijack thousands of other peoples' computers, and they can do this from, say, the public library.

Also, you made the mistake of thinking that Anonymous is an organised group of people with any sort of structure. It's more than likely a bunch of individuals acting under the same name with little to no knowledge of each other. That's why they haven't been stopped yet.

[TVTyrant]

so you funded your gaming computer from drugs and stealing peoples credit cards?

Duh? What did you do, work for it?

Warsaw: That's a good point. hadn't thought of that, although the fact I was kidding has not been taken very well...

[Patrickssj6]

All they do is hijack thousands of other peoples' computers...


It's not all they do it's "all they are forced to do". The whole beauty behind a botnet is not only that you have control over several computers, it's that you cannot be backtracked. (if you think this is my personal vendetta against you again, it's not. I am just merely adding something to your point)

The only danger is the back-connection to the herder. Many botnets use different systems which started with public IRC channels then recently went to encrypted websites.

[Limited]

Anonymous confirmed yesterday that it wasn't them. Might have been a smaller group of Anon but it was not an 'official stunt' by Anon.

77 million users details, that must take a while to steal/download, I reckon its organised crime because there is real groups of highly technical and well funded organisations designed to hack.

Also TvTyrant, do you mean the IRA, or the real IRA (2 separate things, closely related).

[TVTyrant]

Also TvTyrant, do you mean the IRA, or the real IRA (2 separate things, closely related).

I meant the real deal. The guys who fought in the 1920s to free their country from British (sorry) oppression. I see anonymous along the same lines. Working to free everyone from corporate oppression.

Yes I know that by the 1970s the IRA had devolved to a bunch of idiots. Not what I had been referring to.

[Rainbow Dash]

Who didn't see this coming?

It was pretty fucking obvious that sony was being grossly incompetent when they just went after Geohotz with legal garbage, instead of FIXING THEIR FUCKING PROBLEMS which he and the other hackers exposed. It was bound to happen sooner or later :S

[Kornman00]

Yes I know that by the 1970s the IRA had devolved to a bunch of idiots. Not what I had been referring to.
Basically, over time everything just devolves into extremists. Just look at the current political parties "running" the gov't...or the present day Halo community! List goes on :mech:

[Timo]

http://i.imgur.com/fXWnr.jpg

[Warsaw]

It's not all they do it's "all they are forced to do". The whole beauty behind a botnet is not only that you have control over several computers, it's that you cannot be backtracked. (if you think this is my personal vendetta against you again, it's not. I am just merely adding something to your point)

The only danger is the back-connection to the herder. Many botnets use different systems which started with public IRC channels then recently went to encrypted websites.

I wouldn't think that, especially not in this thread. Last time it was a directed attack though, and the fact that it was uncalled for struck a nerve.

I agree with what you are saying here, because it's entirely true. Since we know this is what they are forced to do, though, we can identify it for what it is.

@Limited: I think it was a fringe group of Anonymous "members" who have a more sinister slant and only use the title "Anonymous" to justify their activities.

[Cortexian]

I just got the email today, but I've never given them my credit card information. I'm wondering how they potentially got my password though, Sony are stupid enough to not hash passwords? The fuck?

[Warsaw]

The only thing SONY encrypted was credit card information.

[Kornman00]

I wonder how Sony likes being on the receiving end of a lawsuit this time around :mech2:

[Warsaw]

Won't matter because the Supreme Court has ruled that if there is an arbitration clause, companies can force customers to arbitrate. Since I'm not a PSN user, I don't know if there is an arbitration clause in the agreement.

[Limited]

Won't matter because the Supreme Court has ruled that if there is an arbitration clause, companies can force customers to arbitrate. Since I'm not a PSN user, I don't know if there is an arbitration clause in the agreement.
I have no idea what that means, but I assume it sums up to "Sony are protected"?

Surely Sony breaks the Data Protection Act 1998...


If you handle personal information about individuals, you have a number of legal obligations to protect that information under the Data Protection Act 1998.

Personal data shall not be transferred to a country or territory outside the European Economic Area unless that country or territory ensures an adequate level of protection for the rights and freedoms of data subjects in relation to the processing of personal data.


Playstation Notwork, is the best line I've heard.

[Rainbow Dash]

The only thing SONY encrypted was credit card information.

Haha iirc the hackers uncovered that it was stored in plain text too.

js

[leorimolo]

Haha iirc the hackers uncovered that it was stored in plain text too.

js

http://psx-scene.com/forums/images/news/plaintext.jpg
Like a boss?

[Kornman00]

Like a boss?
Boss no longer cuts it. It's like a CEO now. A Sony CEO :trollface:

[Warsaw]

I have no idea what that means, but I assume it sums up to "Sony are protected"?

Surely Sony breaks the Data Protection Act 1998...



Playstation Notwork, is the best line I've heard.

In the USA, at least, they are protected. No idea about everywhere else, unless for some reason the US Supreme Court behaves like the California Supreme Court and thinks it has the right to set precedent outside its jurisdiction. Wouldn't be surprised, honestly. :v:

Also, that quote is so simple it is brilliant.

[Kornman00]

Sony Online Entertainment hacked, some credit card info taken (http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6573427-sony-online-entertainment-hacked-some-credit-card-info-taken)


Sony has announced that, in addition to the PlayStation Network breach, hackers have entered the company’s Sony Online Entertainment servers. Intruders not only gained access to the personal data of millions of customers — among them players of the long-running online PC game "EverQuest" — but have also likely stolen more than 23,000 credit card numbers and bank account numbers.

(continues)

just keeps going, and going

[TeeKup]

Now that's just funny.

[ThePlague]

Anonymous?

[TeeKup]

They're going to lose so much more business and income from this it's ridiculous.

[Warsaw]

Doubtful that it's Anon. If someone claims it is, I bet some one with the actual beliefs of Anonymous will chime in and say otherwise.

[ThePlague]

I think stealing the credit cards isn't like Anon, most of them are White Knights. The hacking itself seemed likely though.

[Warsaw]

If Anon hacks, they usually do it to clog a network and they always leave a troll notice.

[NullZero]

Dear PSN users,

The lulz continues.

Kind Regards
Sony Entertainment

P.S. BBC's article on the further "25m extra users hacked (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13256817)"

[Xerax]

Just saying.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225115_182526685131569_100001227154374_472136_5412 991_n.jpg

[Kornman00]

Someone pointed out that Osama shouldn't have used his real address on PSN.

I started rolling.

Now we know who really hacked Sony: Obama & Co :giggle:

[TVTyrant]

Someone pointed out that Osama shouldn't have used his real address on PSN.

I started rolling.

Now we know who really hacked Sony: Obama & Co :giggle:

Damn Osama and his extremely capable hacking experience. I never knew he was so good with computers.

[Timo]

Damn Osama and his extremely capable hacking experience. I never knew he was so good with computers.
He's good at photoshop too
(nsfw)
http://timo.modacity.net/obamaps.png

[TVTyrant]

Little known fact: The actor who played Morpheus was the Dad in Boyz N Da Hood!

Also I don't think those pictures were government. I think they were just random people's shoops.

[Timo]

Yeah I know. They still managed to get on TV here though.

[NullZero]

Osama really must've been special...

...hacking PSN with no internet or phone wires to his place.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1249214-what_the_fuck_am_i_reading_super_6298.png

[sleepy1212]

Osama really must've been special...

...hacking PSN with no internet or phone wires to his place.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1249214-what_the_fuck_am_i_reading_super_6298.png
shit's wireless bro

[Kornman00]

Anonymous to Sony: It wasn't us (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42919262/ns/technology_and_science-games/)

[ThePlague]

Anon delivers. (http://pastehtml.com/view/1eejiqj.html)

[Kornman00]

Heh, what if Sony hacked themselves, just to try and get at Anon?

[Spartan094]

Heh, what if Sony hacked themselves, just to try and get at Anon?
http://spartan094.codebrainshideout.net/1304863087072.gif

Pfft yeah right, who in the right mind... owait

[Dwood]

Anon delivers. (http://pastehtml.com/view/1eejiqj.html)


Sony just got smacked.

[Kornman00]

Just when you thought (http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/18/6667708-sony-playstation-network-gets-hacked-again) it was safe to sing trolololo...

[DarkHalo003]

Damn, I really wish these jackasses would stop; I actually want to download a couple of things (PS1 Originals) from PSN. :P

[Limited]

Haha I knew it, where did I post saying I give it less than a week before something happens.

Edit: Dark they havent been hacked, its just Sony are being idiots and not checking their system.

[Warsaw]

I like how the June issue of Game Informer says it was Anonymous who hacked PSN even though 1.) Anon has said they weren't the ones who did it, 2.) Sony never accused Anonymous, they just found some leads pointing to them, and 3.) it's well-known that there is a splinter group at work in recent months.

[Rainbow Dash]

how do you find leads that a group with 0 infrastructure or leadership like anonymous is responsible for something again

oh that's right

haha

you can't

[StankBacon]

they supposedly found a text file that said anonymous.. CASE CLOSED!

lol

[NullZero]

It was planted there. CASE RE-OPENED

:conspiracy:

[Rainbow Dash]

ITS SOMEONE ELSES FAULT THAT WE DIDNT FIX SECURITY HOLES THAT WE KNEW ABOUT

[Warsaw]

Funniest thing I've seen on the matter:



Sony: pew pew pew
Hacking community: pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew (truncated)




how do you find leads that a group with 0 infrastructure or leadership like anonymous is responsible for something again

oh that's right

haha

you can't


Exactly.

[Limited]

Haha, Sony consoles are now overheating when playing LA Noire (due to firmware issue, Sony really having a bad PR time)

[Warsaw]

Now hopefully they will just say "fuck it" and make the PS4. That way they force Microsoft into making another Xbox.

[Donut]

kind of off topic, but does LA noire run like shit on the ps3 too? because there are times when i pull MAYBE 10 fps on the 360 in certain areas. also the general texture popping every 3 seconds.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

not sure, but have you tried installing to HDD?

[Donut]

well it doesnt happen often enough to warrant the time and hard drive space spent on installing 3 disks, but ill try that if it gets bad.

[Warsaw]

I thought PS3s were overheating when playing L.A. Noire.

[Amit]

Sony attack 1: Anonymous slaps Sony.
Sony attack 2: Unknown hacker group pushes Sony down.
Sony attack 3: Unknown hacker group bends Sony over.
Sony attack 4: Unknown hacker group brutally rapes Sony from behind. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/20/uk-sony-hacker-idUSLNE74J06520110520)

Sony has totally shit the bed. They are really hating life. All I have to say? I'm lovin' it.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

ahaha

[Warsaw]

Quick, investors, sell your stocks so that way I can buy them and get rich when the world falls asleep again!

[DarkHalo003]

I really wished this would stop; the only point of owning the PSP and having access to PSN is to buy PS1 Classics anyways. Now how can you insult the oldies?

[Warsaw]

Spyro was not that great of a game tbqh. Most of the best oldies were on PC, Dreamcast, or N64 anyways. The PlayStation was Sony's butthurt attempt to get back at Nintendo when they had their falling out.

[TVTyrant]

Spyro was not that great of a game tbqh. Most of the best oldies were on PC, Dreamcast, or N64 anyways. The PlayStation was Sony's butthurt attempt to get back at Nintendo when they had their falling out.
Jelly N64 owner right here. You don't even know bout the PS1 son.

[Kornman00]

Sorry, but the PS1 was a joke. It and its whole 2MB of RAM. Ha.

[Warsaw]

Jelly N64 owner right here. You don't even know bout the PS1 son.

I played plenty of PSOne games (I didn't own one, though). I can count the number of times I touched the N64 on one hand.

Not Jelly about PSOne at all. Jelly about N64. My first console was a Halo Edition Xbox original. :v:

[Cortexian]

My first console was an N64, then I got a PSOne. Really only played games like Tony Hawks Pro Skater and a Matt Hoffman BMX game on it, then I got a modchip for it (two wires IIRC that when soldered to the correct contacts unlock the copy and region protection (lol). The N64 was loads more fun IMO because of Goldeneye and Zelda games, never found anything really good for PSOne and the graphics weren't much better.

Then I got a Gamecube. Then an original Xbox with Halo, which I also modded to hell.

Then an Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3 Slim in that order.

[Rainbow Dash]

Klonoa was the only good PS1 game.

Deal with it.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3332789/awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.jpg

[TVTyrant]

Started out with da SNES. Played MegaMan, FF3, Super mario World, Sup mario RPG, Link to the Past, and all kinds of SNES games all the time.

PS1 was amazing. Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, FF7, Ogre Battle, Tomb Raider, Medal of Honor, FF tactics, Madden 2000, Gundam Battle Assault, Ergheiz, Ape Escape, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil. Holy shit that console was cash. If you don't agree you just never owned one.

[Kornman00]

If you like the PS1, you support terrorism.

[Amit]

I like PS1 games. I hated the system itself. It was garbage that wouldn't work sometimes even when you reset it. N64 didn't do me like that.

[TVTyrant]

I like PS1 games. I hated the system itself. It was garbage that wouldn't work sometimes even when you reset it. N64 didn't do me like that.
True. After about 3000 hours my disk spinner stopped working.

[sleepy1212]

All this "YAY MILLIONS OF INNOCENT CONSUMERS GETTING SCREWED AWESOME FUCK SONY" is getting really old.


True. After about 3000 hours my disk spinner stopped working.

everything with a disk spinner did that back then. and no one mention Warhawk...fucking Warkawk.

[Rainbow Dash]

All this "YAY MILLIONS OF INNOCENT CONSUMERS GETTING SCREWED AWESOME FUCK SONY" is getting really old.


what

[Cortexian]

YAY MILLIONS OF INNOCENT CONSUMERS GETTING SCREWED AWESOME FUCK SONY
QFT.

[sleepy1212]

what

what.

seriously, everywhere i read about this it's like some 'blow against tyranny'. except they're fucking up my games, and millions of other people's games, so why the fuck is it something to be happy about?

[Rainbow Dash]

what.

seriously, everywhere i read about this it's like some 'blow against tyranny'. except they're fucking up my games, and millions of other people's games, so why the fuck is it something to be happy about?

Because now your shitty security holes that sony knew about long before this thanks to people like GeoHot and such are going to get fucking patched, so this shit that shouldn't have happened in the first place, doesn't happen again.

[Cortexian]

Attention PS3 gamers:

Next time save yourself the trouble and play games properly, on the PC.

[sleepy1212]

Because now your shitty security holes that sony knew about long before this thanks to people like GeoHot and such are going to get fucking patched, so this shit that shouldn't have happened in the first place, doesn't happen again.

I'm referring to all the console war/hurr durr eval corporashuns/entitled-as-fuck-pirates thinking this is some glorious guerrilla long-live-che jihad against the man.

If it were for the good of consumers then why didn't they just contact sony like the guy who found the hole in the change password server? Why is all that CC info still at large? Why are the exploits being passed around like a hooker instead of communicated to people who matter and can fix it? The only people doing anything on behalf of the customer is Sony even though it was their fault in the first place. Everyone else is just trying to get something for free.

[Amit]

The unknown group that attacked Sony 3 times doesn't discriminate. To them, Sony's customers are as bad as Sony itself. Or at least that's the way it looks right now.

[Rainbow Dash]

If it were for the good of consumers then why didn't they just contact sony like the guy who found the hole in the change password server?

Well here's the thing

THEY DID

[sleepy1212]

Well here's the thing

THEY DID

PS3jailbreakgetallyourshitforfreep1r4t34evA.rar has been downloaded 32152345468 times doesn't count.


To them, Sony's customers are as bad as Sony itself.

This. Since when are we liable for who we buy stuff from?

[Warsaw]

Since when are we liable for who we buy stuff from?

While I agree that customers getting screwed is terrible, this quote is just...wow. You were liable for who you buy from from the moment you decided you wanted to buy something and had the power to do so. This is how capitalism works. You pick your product based on its merits and if one company is doing something you don't like, you take your money elsewhere. If enough people do that, then the company will change its product or policies in order to get that revenue stream back up.

[sleepy1212]

this quote is just...wow.

and is now out of context.

by liable i mean: if you're mad at sony don't take it out on me.

[Bodzilla]

your actually thicker then lead paint ya know.

and that shit stops x rays.

What the fuck kind of logic are you displaying. you guys supported and enabled a giant company to take your money and personal information in exchange for a service.
then because of holes in their system that where shown and explained by a shitload of people for YEARS that they didnt want to spend money to fix they then lost Your money AND your personal information to a group of people no one knows or can track down.

and you some how thick it's the pirates fault.
what the fuck is wrong with you.

their negligence has sold alot of people out and had their fucking bank accounts drained AND YOUR WORRIED ABOUT HOW IT"LL EFFECT YOUR GAMING TIME?

your a Stupid fucking immature SELFISH compulsive idiot.
and i can fucking guarantee that if you just so happened to be the unlucky one and had thousands of your hard earned cash lost AT NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN you'd be screaming for people to get pitch forks and flaming torches ya hypocritical bastard.

[Rainbow Dash]

and is now out of context.

by liable i mean: if you're mad at sony don't take it out on me.

People like you make me miss the rep system.

[Warsaw]

and is now out of context.

by liable i mean: if you're mad at sony don't take it out on me.

Gotcha.

[sleepy1212]

your actually thicker then lead paint ya know.

hey kettle, how's your day going?

are you so fucking deluded you think idiots like Hotz and Anonymous are doing all this for our own good? The only "selfish compulsive idiots" in this story are the hackers and the fanboys cheering them on.

here's some "fuck kind of logic" for you: when a guy steals your car blame toyota. sure it had some anti-theft devices on it, the insurance company even gave you a discount. the doors lock, the wheel locks, and little box behind the dash squeals when the guy in the space next to you slams his car door, but somehow a car-jacker figured it all out and stole it anyway. fucking toyota, down with toyota right, and while we're at it fuck everyone who ever bought a toyota? hurray for car-jackers right?

Sony deserves their own blows for being such fuckwits in the first place. They're losing money over this now and I don't feel sorry for them but that IN NO WAY justifies the actions of thieves and that's exactly what some are doing, cheering on thieves.

[Rainbow Dash]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3332789/onmyou/shutup.jpg

[dark navi]

It was me. Frisk me officer!

[Kornman00]

Sony is kinda like the Titanic, and GeoHot was the tip of that iceberg. Should have jumped ship at first sight.

[=sw=warlord]

:words:

Since when did Toyota deliver cars with features and then retroactively remove said features later on?
Without owners consent no less.

[DarkHalo003]

A fault line can cause more than one earthquake. In other words, it's both the hackers and Sony that caused this mess. The Hackers obviously broke the law by hacking into other people's financial information via PSN and Sony dropped the ball by not meeting security standards. The hackers are guilty of credential theft, invasion of privacy, and potential identity theft, all of which are felonies. Sony is guilty of negligence for not meeting security standards and exposing their customers to hacking. Either way, both sides are criminals in this case. It's both their faults. The consumers are the victims. If you stick up for any side that isn't the consumers, than you're wasting your breath.

Point being, if you break the law to serve what you think is justice (agreeing with the action or doing it as a business strategy does not equal justification) than you only fooling yourself. Breaking the law is breaking the law, no matter which side you're on. Sony should be punished for negligence. The hackers should be punished for their felonies.

[Bodzilla]

see the fundemental problem with your analogy IS THE CAR WAS NOT IN TOYOTA'S POSSESSION AT THE TIME.

you see the difference.

i still stand by my lead paint theory.

[sleepy1212]

Sony is kinda like the Titanic, and GeoHot was the tip of that iceberg. Should have jumped ship at first sight.

ITT: The passengers of the Titanic deserved to die.


Since when did Toyota deliver cars with features and then retroactively remove said features later on?
Without owners consent no less.


see the fundemental problem with your analogy IS THE CAR WAS NOT IN TOYOTA'S POSSESSION AT THE TIME.

you see the difference.

you missed the point entirely. regardless of what the corporation does or doesn't do you still don't punish the customer as a means to invoke change on the company. red herrings about my analogy being about Sony's guilt don't change what it actually illustrates about the culpability of consumers. they aren't and they don't deserve this.


i still stand by my lead paint theory.

Its ok. I just assume you found a funnel web in your slippers every time you post.


Either way, both sides are criminals in this case. It's both their faults. The consumers are the victims. If you stick up for any side that isn't the consumers, than you're wasting your breath.

I agree with this guy for once...maybe I am crazy :ohdear:

[=sw=warlord]

Point being, if you break the law to serve what you think is justice (agreeing with the action or doing it as a business strategy does not equal justification) than you only fooling yourself. Breaking the law is breaking the law, no matter which side you're on. Sony should be punished for negligence. The hackers should be punished for their felonies.


There are times where breaking the law is justified.
Breaking road speed laws is justified when making a emergency trip [ IE: you have someone in urgent need of medical attention and cannot wait for ambulance]
The fact of the matter is, Sony was warned about the holes in their security and ignored it.
They're now facing the consequences for their negligence.

It may not be right, it may not be lawful but thing's happen for a reason, the point of it all is not to dwell over what has happened but to learn from it and avoid the same thing happening again in the future.
For consumers this will mean avoiding Sony and for Sony this will mean being more in line with expected security standards and being more upfront with their consumers.
Sony will have no doubt learned a harsh lesson or two from this and the only thing we can do as onlookers is to hope things turn for the better.

[Amit]

Jesus fucking Christ. Sony should have tied their laces before heading to the triathlon. (http://gawker.com/5805123/)

[Warsaw]

Watching Sony squirm is fun and all, but I am starting to worry about this spilling over into all-out attacks on other big names like Microsoft or Google just for the hell of it since they feel like they have gotten off scott-free with Sony. I don't like the fact that customers are getting actually screwed by this at all. If you want to make a statement, then spam Sony's servers with a message. If this were attacking a nation or state and not a corporation, this would be classified as cyber-terrorism.

[TVTyrant]

Watching Sony squirm is fun and all, but I am starting to worry about this spilling over into all-out attacks on other big names like Microsoft or Google just for the hell of it since they feel like they have gotten off scott-free with Sony. I don't like the fact that customers are getting actually screwed by this at all. If you want to make a statement, then spam Sony's servers with a message. If this were attacking a nation or state and not a corporation, this would be classified as cyber-terrorism.
I think the majority of the people who are doing this are just jerks. Not Anon, not any internet union or anything. Just jerks who are stealing from innocent people who happen to be PS3 owners.

[Warsaw]

Agreed. The Anonymous ideal wouldn't do this. Someone just sensed the opportunity to place blame on the Anon ideal as a cover and ran with it. Certain media are just taking that framing and running with it.

[Kornman00]

Yeah, this is just a bandwagon, I don't see this spilling over

[=sw=warlord]

a US judge has thrown out a mass lawsuit brought by users of the PlayStation Network, following a huge security breach in May 2011 which saw the user information of 69 million customers exposed.
The suit accused Sony of failing to adequately protect information and exposing users to identity theft.
Judge Battaglia from the US District Court of Southern California pointed to a clause in the user agreement which noted that "there was no such thing as perfect security" and said that the disclaimers meant there were no grounds for the lawsuits.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20067289

[Bodzilla]

how can someone be forced into a system of security, and then the people that force them into it arn't aheld accountable for that security.
if people had a choice to use or not use the network then cool, but the way it is?

what a fucking joke. Fuck you Sony you soulless corporate pieces of shit.

[jcap]

Good for the court. At least they were able to see that it was a bullshit frivolous lawsuit that had no ground. It's too bad that they considered the user agreement to be Sony's defense though.

Sony is held accountable for their security. All entities must comply with state, national, and industry regulations (in addition to regulations of associated parties like credit card companies), which dictate methods of storing information, what they are/aren't allows to store, and when they need to inform users if a breach occurs. Sony complied with everything.

All of the assholes that were involved in the suit were unaffected by it, and they were just trying to score a quick buck. No security is perfect. For Sony to be guilty of a violation, they would have had to demonstrate gross negligence. For example, leaving a gaping security hole in a network because you don't use a firewall is gross negligence.

Get off the "hurr sony is bad because someone hacked them" bandwagon.

[Warsaw]

Sony is still bad though, but that's because they don't seem to understand that they are not a premium brand and haven't been so since the late 90s. Maybe even earlier.

:p

[Cortexian]

sony is bad because someone hacked them

[Amit]

From the court's view: Sony is bad because they let someone hack them.

[Rosco]

Sony is still bad though, but that's because they don't seem to understand that they are not a premium brand and haven't been so since the late 90s. Maybe even earlier.

:p

Except their amplifiers and tvs, which are and still are fucking awesome.

[=sw=warlord]

:words:.
Except for the fact that the data that was hacked from wasn't in any shape or form encrypted.
Why do you think they were offering a years credit check service?
They fucked up hard and they know it, not failing to protect their customers personal details on such a large scale is grossly negligent.

[jcap]

Except for the fact that the data that was hacked from wasn't in any shape or form encrypted.
Except for the fact

IT (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/02/playstation-network-security-update/)
WAS (http://www.zdnet.com/sony-confirms-encryption-of-psn-credit-card-data-3040092628/)

Get off your retarded circlejerk blogs. One cuntbag blogger started a rumor based on SPECULATION that it was not encrypted, which was then reblogged by literally every dumbass under the sun. Without any official source. Or proof.

But I guess that's just the nature of "journalism" on the Internet today (http://anatomyofahoax.tumblr.com/).

Oh and they were offering credit protection just to save face. Technically Sony isn't even required by any US laws to disclose that credit cards were breached if they believe in good faith that they were encrypted (so long as the encryption key wasn't compromised).

[DEElekgolo]

mad

[Cortexian]

Except their amplifiers and tvs, which are and still are fucking awesome.
Their amplifiers are pretty good, their televisions haven't been anything special for like 4-5 years at least. Samsung and LG have the best televisions on the market for the most part.

[Warsaw]

Except their amplifiers and tvs, which are and still are fucking awesome.

TVs are mediocre, computers are mediocre, MP3 players are mediocre, phones are mediocre...

They keep charging Apple-prices for hardware that is not approaching Apple-levels of fit and finish, let alone performance.

[Timo]

The Sony RX1 is a jizz worthy camera if that helps

[Warsaw]

Their camera line continues to be their only competitive line from samples I've seen shot from their products versus the competition, but I confess I'm not too knowledgeable in that area.

Point-and-shoots are also becoming a niche market while DSLRs are already a niche market. It's not enough of a reason for them to put the "premium quality brand" feather in their cap.

[Rosco]

TVs are mediocre, computers are mediocre, MP3 players are mediocre, phones are mediocre...

They keep charging Apple-prices for hardware that is not approaching Apple-levels of fit and finish, let alone performance.

Exactly why I didn't defend whatever bullshit contending with Apple.. but then I've never seen the attraction of Apple products so it's not really a contest in my eyes. Apple's mp3 players sound like shit on a good system and their earphones are atrocious - ironically any time I've had the displeasure of dealing with apple products I've used Sony earphones or headphones. Namely the MDR-EX500lp in-ears and the MDR-V700 headphones..

having set up a Sony VA555ES amplifier on a pair of B&W CDM1NTs, and toyed with what was suggested to be far superior, my brother nor I have had a better audio experience. Though it's pretty difficult to go beyond those speakers before only audiophillia can pick out the nooks and crannies.

They're also pretty damn good at cameras.. and if we want to bash their phones.. tends be them supplying the innards for decent camera phones these days. So at least they're getting those right.


What I'm suggesting is don't discredit them for their poor handsets and whatever else that hasn't done so well, when so many of their products are built and benefit others so well.

[Timo]

Their camera line continues to be their only competitive line from samples I've seen shot from their products versus the competition, but I confess I'm not too knowledgeable in that area.

Point-and-shoots are also becoming a niche market while DSLRs are already a niche market. It's not enough of a reason for them to put the "premium quality brand" feather in their cap.

If a full frame sensor in a point and shoot form factor isn't premium quality, I don't know what is. But with that said their DSLR's and entry level point and shoots are nothing to write home about.

[Warsaw]

Premium quality in a single department is one thing, but SONY seems to think that their entire array of products is premium quality when most of them are average. That's what I was getting at.

They do make some nice laptops, for instance, but they overcharge for them; I am not paying the price of a 15 inch MacBook pro for a cheap plastic shell and mediocre internals, especially not when I would even pay the price of an MBP15 for an MBP15. And why should I? Because they are good at audio and make a competent camera? Sorry, that's not how it works. The only tech company that ideology has worked for is Apple, and has as much to do with their products being a completely locked-in ecosystem as it does with how well their products are (or are not) made.

If Sony would drop the airs and lower their prices across the board, they might sell more products and stop haemorrhaging money in their mass-market consumer electronics. They do make a solid product, but they are not pricing versus the competition. They are charging for the privilege of owning a Sony, but having that badge is not worth the premium they want.

[Rosco]

Premium quality in a single department is one thing, but SONY seems to think that their entire array of products is premium quality when most of them are average. That's what I was getting at.

They do make some nice laptops, for instance, but they overcharge for them; I am not paying the price of a 15 inch MacBook pro for a cheap plastic shell and mediocre internals, especially not when I would even pay the price of an MBP15 for an MBP15. And why should I? Because they are good at audio and make a competent camera? Sorry, that's not how it works. The only tech company that ideology has worked for is Apple, and has as much to do with their products being a completely locked-in ecosystem as it does with how well their products are (or are not) made.

If Sony would drop the airs and lower their prices across the board, they might sell more products and stop haemorrhaging money in their mass-market consumer electronics. They do make a solid product, but they are not pricing versus the competition. They are charging for the privilege of owning a Sony, but having that badge is not worth the premium they want.

I agree with the laptops, I would never buy a VAIO, they're so difficult to have fixed if something goes wrong too! I'll stick with HP Elitebooks or ASUS :)

And it's never a reason to buy something because they're good at audio, or good at cameras. Audio is just one of the things they're actually providing premium quality for, compared to their market.. i.e. Monster Cables & Dr Dre, Sony have actually got reasonable prices!

They're really trying to do too many things at once. They had success with blu ray, and now try to take on literally everything they can. I've always felt their newer consumer products like the phones (especially this retarded 1492497249274927 versions of the xperia) & tablets felt rushed and incomplete.

[Warsaw]

HP Business-line laptops do indeed comprise some of the best-made hardware on the market. Though the VAIO Z looks like a nice piece of kit: 13" 1080p screen, razor thin, comes with a docking station containing a discrete graphics card. It's a well thought-out piece of kit, it's just not worth the asking price.

Sony actually goes further back than Blu-Ray. in the 1980s, they came out with the Walkmans and invented the Compact Disc (with Philips). They were both top-tier products, and they've been coasting on that status ever since. Maybe once upon a time they really were the Apple of their day, but not any more. That hasn't sunk in for them yet.

I was actually considering a Sony Home Theatre system to go with my TV, or possibly become a receiver for my PC audio. Good reviews on it, and decent pricing, I just haven't gotten around to it due to more important things popping up...like having to replace my car back in May. They can be competitive, they just aren't so in the big market areas.

[Rosco]

HP Business-line laptops do indeed comprise some of the best-made hardware on the market. Though the VAIO Z looks like a nice piece of kit: 13" 1080p screen, razor thin, comes with a docking station containing a discrete graphics card. It's a well thought-out piece of kit, it's just not worth the asking price.

Sony actually goes further back than Blu-Ray. in the 1980s, they came out with the Walkmans and invented the Compact Disc (with Philips). They were both top-tier products, and they've been coasting on that status ever since. Maybe once upon a time they really were the Apple of their day, but not any more. That hasn't sunk in for them yet.

I was actually considering a Sony Home Theatre system to go with my TV, or possibly become a receiver for my PC audio. Good reviews on it, and decent pricing, I just haven't gotten around to it due to more important things popping up...like having to replace my car back in May. They can be competitive, they just aren't so in the big market areas.

Yeah I wanted to discuss more recent endeavours, walkman mp3 players sound great hooked up to car hifis or home systems. That's why I would buy one over an apple mp3 player etc. I would suggest separates (sony amp, + other speakers and sub) rather than home cinema systems that come with everything, they suck ass. They do work fine if you're not that picky, but after trying both I genuinely prefer separates :)

/hijack thread with sony's better products

[Warsaw]

Baby steps, man. I'd be coming from Logitech X-530s so I'm sure that the all-in-one Sony package would still sound better. After that, I would then slowly invest in some Pioneer cabinets...

Now that I think about it, I have a massive late 80s receiver I could commandeer...hmmm...