Did Halo ruin online multiplayer etiquette?

[DarkHalo003]

http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/220830/did-halo-ruin-online-multiplayer/

A good read that reminds me of where I learned and lost control of a nasty mouth when I rage (just kidding, but seriously, Halo 2 didn't help that), but I think I also want to bring the "Good Game" phrase into perspective. I haven't heard that phrase on XBL in a LONG time. What about you guys? Opinions?

[Pooky]

If you think Halo is bad, go play JK2 multiplayer for 5 minutes and you'll be crying in front of the monitor.

[Ifafudafi]

And even without the profanity, Halo's reintroduced a few things in multiplayer that I absolutely hate -- like teabagging, team killing, and general idiocy.

Ahaha, no. Teabagging's been around ever since the crouch button was introduced in online shooters, and rampant TKing has been around for just as long. You see that kind of douchebaggery on XBL simply because the playerbase is larger; mabye random matchmaking systems stopping people from playing the same people on the same servers has worsened things a bit, but this kind of dickery has been in place since Quake went online and won't be going away any time soon.

The counterpoint article by Bailey in that same link pretty much sums it up. The only real change is in awareness

[DarkHalo003]

If you think Halo is bad, go play JK2 multiplayer for 5 minutes and you'll be crying in front of the monitor.
Yeah, they mentioned that too.

I want to bring the subject of "Good Game" directly to the thread. Do you guys think it's becoming more and more scarce?

[Kornman00]

Depends on what you define as "Good". Eg, does "Fun" = "Good"? Or does "Good" = "3sk pistol"?

[Donut]

i think by "good game" he means people being respectful of the people on the opposing team at the end of the game. like people saying "good game" at the end of a match. speaking of which, i heard it some times after games when i first started playing halo 3 online, but after that i never heard it except on some sparse halo ce matches. oh i think there was one game of call of duty where we were all like "daaaaaaamn good game", but that was a one time deal.

in terms of halo ruining the online etiquette, i would say no, halo itself didnt do it. i would say its a combination of gameplay footage on youtube and things like mlg where people play games competitively, getting paid to play. afaik, the mainstream opinion on video games went from "for nerds and children" to "theyre a recreational thing". what this means for kids in grade school now is that they can be good at videogames and not be criticized for it because they can directly reference people getting paid to play. on that same idea, the grade school age group is typically insecure, so when they get online where nobody knows who they really are, they basically have free reign to go nuts and be assholes. they feel adequate through playing well, so when they lose, they get sore because now their security is being threatened. halo alone is not responsible for etiquette going way down hill.

a little aside though, i do think mainstreamed online multiplayer through consoles (mainly) has made a negative impact on how we as people interact with each other in face to face situations.

[DarkHalo003]

i think by "good game" he means people being respectful of the people on the opposing team at the end of the game. like people saying "good game" at the end of a match.

speaking of which, i heard it some times after games when i first started playing halo 3 online, but after that i never heard it except on some sparse halo ce matches. oh i think there was one game of call of duty where we were all like "daaaaaaamn good game", but that was a one time deal.
This. I never hear this anymore. Let's spread the good vibe. Maybe then the community may shape up a little (ha!).

[TPBlinD]

I only ever say good game if I have a lot of fun, or if there was like some huge clutch victory, or stuff like that. Pooky needs to stop bringing up JK2 in every thread.

[JackalStomper]

gg pls kthnx


If people say it when they MEAN it, I would much rather have it be a rare occurrence than have the player feel obligated to do so or else be considered bad mannered

coughstarcraftcough

[Donut]

well in comparison, i had a match in reach a few days ago on big team slayer where the score at the end was like 98-100 at the end, and the lead went back and forth at least 10 times, and at the end of the game 3 of the people on the other team made all this noise, and one of them said we should use shamwows to get their jizz off of ourselves. that sort of behavior earns an instant -rep from me regardless of the score, but when the game was that close the whole time, thats just a stupid thing to say.

actually, thats just a stupid thing to say, period. i dont get how, in a society where most people are so afraid of having ANYTHING to do with homosexuality (see: "no homo"), people will turn right around and make a statement like that. its just irritating. in comparison, i have never, EVER heard anybody say "good game" or anything similar while playing reach. i have met 3 (and i do keep track) people who have been pretty cool on reach. theyre friendly, dont mind if theyre losing as long as theyre having fun, and they just have overall high spirits. i couldnt keep track of the number of asshats i have encountered even if i counted after every match.

[Pooky]

Pooky needs to stop bringing up JK2 in every thread.

No. (http://www.chatarea.com/1LoC.f91210)

[Amit]

I played a lot of JA MP. I played for 2 years. I left because I couldn't handle the abuse. You guys got it easy in Halo.

[Kornman00]

If people say it when they MEAN it, I would much rather have it be a rare occurrence than have the player feel obligated to do so or else be considered bad mannered
Kinda like "I luv u" or "will u marry me?". Stupid kids.

Perhaps not everyone says "good game" afterwords because they're not all Americanized, or played a physical sport in which they were forced to line up after the end and smack every hand of the other team saying "good game :downs:", even if it really wasn't? For HaloCE, with its rampant illegal mexicans crossing the border pirating the game, this is a high possibility. Or maybe whoever you're playing against has a different way of celebrating a "good game", perhaps by taking off their fucking headset and taking a shot of vodka, or maybe two shots; one for them, one for you. Or, here's a crazy thought, maybe they don't even have a headset? I encounter this scenario more often than not. It's not like game manuals come with a section where there's a guy with a monocle who points out, in his best Thurston Howell impression, all the supposed online etiquette.

Video games didn't ruin online multiplayer etiquette. Online multiplayer ruined online multiplayer etiquette (shit...that's meta). It's the internet, like it or not. People from around the world, with different cultures, traditions, feelings, thoughts, and idiots can play. Just because they don't conform to your end of the spectrum doesn't mean there is something at work ruining.

Think about it. Most of older games were played on LANs or over the internet in specific servers. People knew people, or at least, the people were of the same region. It was very micro. Now with high speed connects and the internet, shit is now very macro because the whole goddamn world has a piece of the pie and can eat it. It's no longer a party where only the invited get to come, and thus a certain demeanor is expected. It's an all-in, kids eat free, happy hour, 100% off, special, where anyone who is anyone can join.

To top it all off, there's anonymity. Even if they are American, there's no real fucking face to your identity (unless you put it there), so it can easily become "who gives a shit?". It's up to the game developers to address griefers abusing game mechanics in negative ways. Eg, people getting outside the map in a Forge World variant, and just going to town on everyone.

Refer to Scott Adams (http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/pegs_and_holes/) for more enlightenment on where this blame supposedly lies.

[Bodzilla]

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[DarkHalo003]

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[Mr Buckshot]

Halo didn't ruin etiquette, the standardization of voice chat did. I always mute the public voice chat in any online games I play. Private Steam/Xfire sessions with friends only.