Scythopolis

[Rob Oplawar]

Guess who!

No more beating around the bush, here it is:

http://argo.spacebrick.net

I have gathered you all here today to make a special announcement that officially and way too subtly went out on July 7th: Bridge CE (http://www.h2ek.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bridge_Vista) (or Bridge Vista, if you prefer) (which you will remember is the working title of a project) is producing a single player map (which you already knew) which shall be titled:

SCYTHOPOLIS

I won't post anything else here, because I want you all to check out the new website.
The subdomain Argo has to do with the story and also that scythopolis is too hard to spell as a url, and spacebrick.net just happens to be the domain name I own because I'm too cheap and lazy to get another domain.



So, you can use the shitty Spacebrick.net forum which is more of a php sandbox for myself, or you can post in this thread to tell me what you think. Also feel free to tell me that the room in the screenshot on the news page is 1500 polygons too high, cause it is.

[Bad Waffle]

a polygon is not a legal measurement of distance :v

[Rob Oplawar]

^ as in, 1500 too many. I'm afraid the room will be a framerate killer if I'm not careful. Then again, idk what Halo 2 Vista can handle, or how the scenery vs bipeds vs bsp will balance.

[randreach454]

I think 1500 will be fine if you portal the level ok..

[scythopolis archaeologist]

My friend, with all the other goings on at the moment, it looks like

nobody cares.

You should quit wasting your time on this. Epoch is doomed anyway.

[Stealth]

S.A. I care, and I bet there are others that care, just because no one posts here doesn't mean they care.

[jahrain]

The distance from my room to the kitchen is roughly 1200 polygons, seriously.

[TeeKup]

Exact portals can have 50,000 polygons or more per "portal box" and still have a good framerate. I know I did.

1500 will be fine.

[Bad Waffle]

My friend, with all the other goings on at the moment, it looks like

nobody cares.

You should quit wasting your time on this. Epoch is doomed anyway.


stfu, this is a good project.


Oh btw teekie, next time you should read that its OVER 1500 tri, making it something like 51500 tri.

[Rob Oplawar]

So the room is 26,500 polys (1500 over my limit, and it's still got detail to be added). I don't want my map to require an 8800 to run. I want the typical Vista pc to be able to play it, and in my tests on my low-end target, I came up with a limit of 15-20k polys, but if I portal the room right, you guys are right, I should be fine. It's just that every time I set a limit, I set it above what I think is reasonable and tell myself this is the absolute unbreakable limit and I end up breaking it by a couple k. I annoy myself.

If you wonder where the 15-20k comes from, keep in mind that that's also 15-20k of Havoc physics collision, covered in up to 10 1024x1024 normal mapped textures with up to 25 bipeds per scene and more than that many scenery objects per scene (often featuring layers of transparency), not to mention the scattered dynamic lights I'll be using. The scenery, biped, and texture level of detail can be turned down, but the bsp lod cannot.

Funny thing tho, I never did get exact portals to work for me. I tried for a day or so and in the interest of time just made do with regular portals, and I just realized I never went back to that. I really ought to consider looking into exacts again.

[scythopolis archaeologist]

Aw shucks you guys I'm only teasin him. Bringing one's spirit back from the grave makes one moody.

[Stealth]

Aman to that, but then again any spirit in my grave causes me to be alittle be moody. and Rob, I do hope that when you're done, it looks cool.

[samnwck]

I always thought rob's project was cool, i kinda forgot about it for a while but im interested again. Is it still gonna be single player if they figure out how to make it sp in h2v?

[scythopolis archaeologist]

Would he put up with me if it wasn't?

[et_cg]

Would he put up with me if it wasn't?

Has anybody figured out what the purpose of this user is? Fake? Or is it real Viral advertising?

Good going so far on the project.

[Zeph]

congrats on the launch, but your forum hurts my eyes.

[Rob Oplawar]

^ Lol yeah it's just a php toy. it was never meant to be used by anyone.

[scythopolis archaeologist]

Has anybody figured out what the purpose of this user is? Fake? Or is it real Viral advertising?

Good going so far on the project.

What are you saying, that I'm not real? Well, I suppose that's what I would think of someone claiming to have died in 2530.

[et_cg]

What are you saying, that I'm not real? Well, I suppose that's what I would think of someone claiming to have died in 2530.


Well, I believe you exist.

Fictionally, and non-fictionally.

I won't judge you.

[Flyboy]

I've been waiting for something like this.

[Rob Oplawar]

Can't is such a strong word... I will find a way. I know it is possible, and there are some terrific, er, what would you call them, hackers? in this community and I know they will figure it out- BUT I'm not counting on someone to get it for me, so I will figure it out on my own if need be.

And the "impossibility" of making custom sp maps will just make Scythopolis just that much more unique.

[Flyboy]

Now, if you just happen to pull this off, don't be like CMT and keep the ability to make SP all to yourself (I bet they would). Share it.

[teh lag]

Now, if you just happen to pull this off, don't be like CMT and keep the ability to make SP all to yourself (I bet they would). Share it.

Please don't crap up this thread with another cmt shitfight.

[Masterz1337]

Now, if you just happen to pull this off, don't be like CMT and keep the ability to make SP all to yourself (I bet they would). Share it.
I wasn't aware that we did SP in H2V. Nor we withheld SP modding tools from the rest of the community.

[Chewy Gumball]

I don't think user made portals affect what is drawn on screen. I seem to remember something saying havoc makes that unnecessary and user made portals are for things like weather and sound environments and things like that.

[Flyboy]

I wasn't aware that we did SP in H2V. Nor we withheld SP modding tools from the rest of the community.
Based on all your poorly locked content, it make sense that I would worry about if you guys got it first. Yes I know it's to keep the tags away from noobs, but still.

[teh lag]

Based on all your poorly locked content, it make sense that I would worry about if you guys got it first. Yes I know it's to keep the tags away from noobs, but still.

We would not hold back anything that would advance modding on a scale like that. Who remembers when Masterz willingly released maps with the ripped h2 tagset for people to learn from? (Much like ignorant brats want us to do with the current tagset, though the only people who want it will be no better off with this than with the old tagset.) Who remembers when Masterz was part of the group advocating for the release of the tag extractor (known now as the HEK+)? If we withold something of that scale, it would be for reasons outside of our control, such as the person who unlocked it not wanting it released due to incompleteness or potential abuse. (See: tag extraction and shitty boxmaps undeserving of the content in them). Also, what does "poorly locked content" whave anything to do with this? We don't publically release our content because of mapmakers that throw it in and assume that thier maps will now be awesome. What's this "but still"? Are you realizing your argument is coming apart? That we wouldn't hold SP back? If you wish to continue this, please take it to PMs with us. This thread doesn't need to be derailed further.

[Rob Oplawar]

To sort of save the thread, I'll say that after I finish Scythopolis, I'll spend a couple of weeks putting together a detailed tutorial for SP creation in Vista. I'm gonna find a way to do it one way or another, even if it means saving it as, what's the h2v name of Cairo, space_station.map?

[et_cg]

To sort of save the thread, I'll say that after I finish Scythopolis, I'll spend a couple of weeks putting together a detailed tutorial for SP creation in Vista. I'm gonna find a way to do it one way or another, even if it means saving it as, what's the h2v name of Cairo, space_station.map?

Indeed. But it will take much work to get it through. Hopefully Korn's tools, or Prom will provide hope for such matters. Good luck.

[Flyboy]

Or that Select + Start thing in sapien.