Locating clusters in 3ds max?

[Ki11a_FTW]

Well i keep getting this error=

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/7991/help3kg0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i have like, a lot of portals, but its hard to find those 3 specific clusters out of 100 or so.

Does anybody know what i could do?

+rep if your help works

[Tweek]

doesn't that show up in the error file?

[Ki11a_FTW]

Sadly, no it doesnt

[Tweek]

:< i doubt you can actually.
but i've not done anythign with h2v, i wouldnt know.

[Ki11a_FTW]

it did this to my last map model..leaving me just to ditch the whole thing

[Roostervier]

Re-portal it, with a lot more sections.

[Ki11a_FTW]

i did like 5 times,if i do to much sections tool says theres to much regions and wont compile

[TheGhost]

How big exactly is this map? How many verts / faces? You really shouldn't need that many clusters.

[Ki11a_FTW]

the map has 4200 polygons, and it doesnt work with 4 portals

[Ki11a_FTW]

god damnit, its still not working and look at all the fucking portals i have

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/289/gragaggahhhahaahaehagrdtk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is getting really annoying, i spend all this time modeling and texturing, then i get this error, and i have to end up ditching the map, like my last one

theres only 4200 polies

[Ki11a_FTW]

Well i managed to make the error, "less" worse then it was but im still wating for some help

[Skyline]

That looks like there are way too many use 2 planes.

[Con]

just do the portals the proper way, have small planes blocking doorways to seal rooms, then a few big ones outside.

[Ki11a_FTW]

fine, i wll try that

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9857/help2pi3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

still no go

[[EJ] Bean]

will it compile with out portals at all? I know it sounds stupid, yet it happens. Also check your instanced geometry (if there is any) and see if it intersects your portals they pretty much nullify their effect.

[Ki11a_FTW]

yeah, ive tried no portals, and the isnt any instanced geometry

[fletcher77]

Have you ever got the map to work? Or did it fail on its first attempt.
Have you ever portaled its height?
I wish I new what defines a cluster

[Ki11a_FTW]

no i never got this map to work.
yes added 1 portal going horizontal

[p0lar_bear]

Can we get a top-down RENDER (not wireframe) of the level, so we can attempt to assist you with portalling? As stated, the problem is that you have incorrectly portalled your BSP.

[Ki11a_FTW]

It will be hard to see..

EDIT


here you go, all four view ports

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8995/scene4os9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[FireScythe]

It doesn't look like you have put any thought into your portals. Heres posterity's portals as an example:
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8869/posterityportalslg0.gif (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=posterityportalslg0.gif)

[Ki11a_FTW]

Hey thanks! ill try your concept

[p0lar_bear]

I meant a render without the portals... you should delete them by the way. :rolleyes:

[Ki11a_FTW]

i dont want to show the map yet :-(

[teh lag]

i dont want to show the map yet :-(

Then we can't easily help you. There might be something that could stand out in a pic that you might not see or be able to descirbe correctly which could aid us in fixing your problem.

[Ki11a_FTW]

agh stupid edit didnt show up again..

i said that if FireSythes concept didnt work then i would post a pic

EDIT: Still not working, its always the same clusters though, that i cannot find, (orange= Portal Purpule= PlayerClip)
Some faces are flipped for the portals and they are 1 sided

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6656/scene5ev7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[p0lar_bear]

I still can't make anything out of it.

Just post a top-down view of the level without any invisible/special geometry whatsoever; portals, lighting planes, playerclips, etc. Even if you want to surprise us with it, if you don't ever get it working, we'll never see it anyway.

[Ki11a_FTW]

ok, i got rid of some portals, but the rest are part of the mesh, and it would take a while to delete them

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6185/scenes1sq1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I did the best i could ;-/

[Rob Oplawar]

Not on the subject of the portals, but I noticed it said you had 1900 renderable materials... apparently you fixed that, but I'm just curious. How the hell did you end up with so many materials?

But yes, I hate portals. My suggestion is to make a couple of throwaway maps and play with portaling them, to get a feel for it, because it's definitely an acquired skill. Maybe look at a couple of existing maps in Sapien with "Show Portals" on, so you can see how others have done it... don't know if you can do that in H2V, but I know you can in HCE.

[Ki11a_FTW]

arent they aloud to be bent?

[Ki11a_FTW]

i guess nobody knows