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[n00b1n8R]

so after talking with a few members of the comunity, I was wondering.

what's your opinion on homosexuals?
personally, I have nothing against them. if their into that kind of thing then ok it's their choice.

how about you?

[Lateksi]

Pretty same, I don't have anything against them. I know some homosexuals and they're cool, lol. I don't think the thing is ugly or anything, I don't even know anything about that though. I just don't think about this kind of things on my free time. What makes humans different, is that they're all different.

[DaneO'Roo]

Olol

Personally:

If an ass when empty of shit feels like your fucking a funnel (tight at the base, empty at the end), then homosexual...sex must only feel good when they have a full load of shit in their bowel.

Imo, tbh, that is fucking disgusting.

I'll leave it at that.

[thehoodedsmack]

Whatever they want to do is fine by me.

[Agamemnon]

Why are there only two options in voting? Kind of like, "Yes, I hate them," or, "No, what they're doing is peachy keen." There are other opinions that fall in between the middle.

[OmegaDragon]

"If gay is your way, that is OK. I still know there are alot of you gay people in that closet. Not saying I haven't thought about it myself you know? Go out to Las Vegas or something, buy a couple of drinks, cute little mexican midget."
-Tom MabeI agree with that quote.... except about thinking about it and maybe the midget.

[Agamemnon]

...and maybe the midget.
http://www.hissandpop.com/eva-longoria/photos/eva-longoria-015.jpg

What about now?

[n00b1n8R]

Why are there only two options in voting? Kind of like, "Yes, I hate them," or, "No, what they're doing is peachy keen." There are other opinions that fall in between the middle.

because I'm like that.

[rossmum]

I don't see how their orientation harms anyone else, so I couldn't care less. It's the extreme opposite that pisses me off, the fuckwads who think the whole world should revolve around their warped 'morals'.

[nooBBooze]

Meh, who am I to condemn or even just to judge other ppl.

Ill leave that to the fundamentalist-religious wackos and right wing redneck propaganda.

i am however against all sorts of violence including rape. My anus is, was and stays exit only.

[Masterz1337]

I'm fine with them, I can't stand when they are flamboyantly gay though. IMO its fine if they want to be that way, but please, don't go "nu uh girlfriend" on the streets, and come onto guys who you know arn't gay.

[Agamemnon]

because I'm like that.
So you're only giving people the option to vote for the extremes on both sides of the topic then?

[Dr Nick]

Aggy, stop. I'm pretty sure he made the thread to get peoples general idea.
If you want to go in depth about it, then post it.

Homosexuality is fine by me, as long as it doesn't cause me grief or anything(long story, too tired).

[Agamemnon]

Aggy, stop. I'm pretty sure he made the thread to get peoples general idea.
Did he now? So now it's wrong for me to question why he only picked a "yes" and "no" answer to a question that has an infinite number of answers?

Also, I liked it better when I thought I "wasn't worth your time."

[CN3089]

Did he now? So now it's wrong for me to question why he only picked a "yes" and "no" answer to a question that has an infinite number of answers?

Also, I liked it better when I thought I "wasn't worth your time."

Yeah, OP, why didn't you include an infinite number of responses in your poll*? http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif


*although he did leave out "it's not their choice" which was pretty stupid

[LlamaMaster]

http://www.hissandpop.com/eva-longoria/photos/eva-longoria-015.jpg

What about now?
If that picture doesn't do anything for you, your gay....

Gays? I don't have anything personal against them. Only thing I really don't like about them is because I hate the idea of two guys kissing/sex/other things. It just seems gross and unnatural to me. I don't like flaming gays though. Their kind of annoying.

[Con]

Whatever they want to do is fine by me.
.

[Agamemnon]

Yeah, OP, why didn't you include an infinite number of responses in your poll*? http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif
Right, and that's exactly what I meant when I wrote that. Glad you had your thinking cap on. :awesome:

[Kornman00]

Personally:

If an ass when empty of shit feels like your fucking a funnel (tight at the base, empty at the end), then homosexual...sex must only feel good when they have a full load of shit in their bowel.

Imo, tbh, that is fucking disgusting.

I'll leave it at that.

Stereotyping mother fucker. Why is sex the first thing you think of when thinking of two guys? Hidden emotions maybe...

[Kornman00]

If that picture doesn't do anything for you, your gay....


Or they don't fap to everything they lay eyes on that looks like a female...

[TPBlinD]

They are a travesty against god and must be lynched.

[Rosco]

If that picture doesn't do anything for you, your gay....

.

I find more attractive women at work. Does that make me gay?

[Kornman00]

They are a travesty against god and must be lynched.
:lol:, you said god, :lmao:

[LlamaMaster]

I find more attractive women at work. Does that make me gay?
No, it's makes you lucky. And korn, I pretty much do fap to any attractive female. :lol:

[rossmum]

We totally needed to know that.

[Kornman00]

I pretty much do fap to any attractive female. :lol:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/Duncgs/SaraMirror2-mcopy.jpg
http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-flashfap.gif

I always knew you were...different...

[LlamaMaster]

Arg....eww. Korn....did you just upload that? Image link says photobucket.

[Stealth]

If that picture doesn't do anything for you, your gay....

Gays? I don't have anything personal against them. Only thing I really don't like about them is because I hate the idea of two guys kissing/sex/other things. It just seems gross and unnatural to me. I don't like flaming gays though. Their kind of annoying.
that or you're A-sexual (a person that does not find men and women attractive) I've meet a few of them, and they're creepy.

[MNC]

It's their choice.

But homosexual women for the win :awesome:

[Stealth]

yea, and I've been looking for the hot's pic of a girl playing Halo, but I can't find it! I know some one posted it at TSL's forums, and I know there are a hand full of members over at RT's web site that has it, but I can't find it! I know I've seen it in an other place, turns out, she looks very hot with out any thing on.

[Atty]

My view? I could care less, I don't see how we can tell anyone who they are allowed to love or judge them on it. If a man or woman wants to love another man or woman then who are we to say they can't? Or even judge them for it? I don't mind it at all, I think its perfectly fine.

[Stealth]

I'm just fine with gay people as long as they leave me alone about it, and as long as they don't try to make me think I'm a gay too. some kid tryed doing that and I all most gave him a black eye for it.

[teh lag]

I have no problem with gays - if that's how they are it's no buisness of mine so long as they don't hit on me or anything similar.



some kid tryed doing that and I all most gave him a black eye for it.

Watch out, Stealth is a serious toughguy.

[Atty]

some kid tryed doing that and I all most gave him a black eye for it.
He sat still long enough for you to color his eye black with a marker?

[Leiukemia]

I don't care if you're gay, I just don't want to hear about it.

[CN3089]

as long as they don't try to make me think I'm a gay too. some kid tryed doing that and I all most gave him a black eye for it.

welp, looks like someone has some insecurities :ssh:

[Gamerkd16]

so after talking with a few members of the comunity, I was wondering.

what's your opinion on homosexuals?
personally, I have nothing against them. if their into that kind of thing then ok it's their choice.

how about you?
It doesn't involve me, so I could care less what they do. :)

[OmegaDragon]

http://www.hissandpop.com/eva-longoria/photos/eva-longoria-015.jpg

What about now?

Screw the midget. I like this idea better.

@ Llama:
We didn't need to know.


Also;

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/Duncgs/SaraMirror2-mcopy.jpg


I'd hit it... With a bat.

[PlasbianX]

Its their choice, i really dont care. As long as they dont hit on me, im fine.

[Archon23]

I have several homosexual friends. As long as they don't talk to me about their relationships and/or who looks good I'm fine. I just can't stand flaming homosexuals. Even my friends can't stand em.

[Neuro Guro]

I don't mind gay people at all, my best friend has an identical twin who happens to be gay but he hangs out with us all the time and he never does anything weird, never hits on me or anything. He just talks a little lighter, is a cheerleader, and wear preppy stuff. But he's still a pretty cool dude to hang out with.

Its just the hardcore faggot pound me in the ass sorta gay people that I don't like. Yes there is a difference between someone who is cool and gay and some one who is wearing all black with eyeliner with a dog collar and tells you he likes to jack off in a cup a then drink it. Yes, there was a kid like that at my school and everybody hated him, he wasn't even able to get along with and I think he just wanted attention.

*btw...


http://www.hissandpop.com/eva-longoria/photos/eva-longoria-015.jpg Is that a tranny? jw.

[Bastinka]

Teekup,
also it's their choice not mine.

[Neuro Guro]

!

Thats Teekup in that picture?

Damn, even if he is a tranny i'll go gay for that!

[TeeKup]

*sigh* Jesus Christ....


Its just the hardcore faggot pound me in the ass sorta gay people that I don't like. Yes there is a difference between someone who is cool and gay and some one who is wearing all black with eyeliner with a dog collar and tells you he likes to jack off in a cup a then drink it. Yes, there was a kid like that at my school and everybody hated him, he wasn't even able to get along with and I think he just wanted attention.

I don't understand why ANY guy would act like that. You're a man not a woman, so don't dress or act like one.


I don't mind gay people at all, my best friend has an identical twin who happens to be gay but he hangs out with us all the time and he never does anything weird, never hits on me or anything. He just talks a little lighter, is a cheerleader, and wear preppy stuff. But he's still a pretty cool dude to hang out with.
Thats pretty much me in a nutshell at school. The preppy clothes are comfortable, plus they're downright stylish.

[t3h m00kz]

I'm bi.

But, I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's a huge difference between liking dudes and being a total FAGGOT. But again, I'm not really too uncomfortable around them, no more so than any other person.

I'm not gonna be all like "OMG GUYZ SRSLY You guyz just hate me cuz I'm ghey and u don't care about my feelingz omg omg but we're all a little gay on the insidez! Plz just let me zuk ur kawk and show u lawl!"

Besides, just because I like it in the butt but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate a nice set of titties.

[Warsaw]

The preppy clothes are comfortable, plus they're downright stylish.

Also, girls love the preppy clothes (at least around here).

Anyways, I don't mind gay people as long as it isn't flamboyant and advertised, because that just serves to get on my nerves (anyone overly rambunctious gets on my nerves). That, and I strongly dislike the "all men are useless/stupid/etc." attitude when dealing with lesbians.

[Pooky]

I agree with these posts.


Stereotyping mother fucker. Why is sex the first thing you think of when thinking of two guys?


We totally needed to know that.



Watch out, Stealth is a serious toughguy.


*sigh* Jesus Christ....



I don't understand why ANY guy would act like that. You're a man not a woman, so don't dress or act like one.


I'm bi.

But, I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's a huge difference between liking dudes and being a total FAGGOT.

There's not much more for me to say about it. While public opinion on the topic has at least improved from the bigoted christian bullshit of the last decade, there are still a lot of ignorant stereotypes that will probably be around for a long time. Being bisexual myself, I obviously don't mind being around homosexuals.

[Bastinka]

Besides, just because I like it in the butt but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate a nice set of titties.
This makes me shudder, because it saddens me. :(

Sorry Muki, but I'm serious.. you do look like my father and it brings back good and bad memories.

[TeeKup]

Also, girls love the preppy clothes (at least around here).

Heh, yes they do, :3

[p0lar_bear]

I have a professional sort of point of view; sexual orientation isn't worth shit 90% of the time. There are a few gays at the store I work at, but they don't bother me at all because they are still normal people with normal personalities outside of the bedroom and bars. If they start talking about their relationships or talk excessively about sex, then I shy away.

People stereotype gays as nymphomaniac perverts, simply because sexual orientation isn't the most prevalent thing until the topic of relationships or sex pops up, or if they dress like whores. Unless they dress, groom, or speak advertising how they roll, you can't tell if someone's gay or straight unless you delve into their personal life. A few times I've talked to gay people on completely "normal" topics (i.e. technology, politics, news), and don't even guess at how they roll until they either say they're gay, or if their lover comes up and makes it obvious.

[NullZero]

Don't mind homosexuals, as long as they do not try and influence my orientation.

[Terry]

I dont mind the guys who like other men. Their personal preferences are their own business. However, I can't quite stand men who act overly feminine.

[Tweek]

BWAAAG GAYS GET THEM AWAAY FORM MEEEEEE :<<<<<<<<<<<


honestly though, it's not something i care for. so you like your penis brown, OKAY.
as long as they don't try to paint it in MY bum.

i do prefer female gays over male gays though ^^

[Huero]

gays are cool until they ask to rub your tits
then they're awesome

[Boba]

I only dislike homosexual women http://www.h2vista.net/forums/images/polls/bar5-l.gifhttp://www.h2vista.net/forums/images/polls/bar5.gifhttp://www.h2vista.net/forums/images/polls/bar5-r.gif 0
>_>

[Corgy]

i got nothin against poo pushing faggots its just them carpet lickin lesbiens i got a problem with

[El Lobo]

Dudes at bbq's....i like you, i like you to dawg, lets get married. that shit is gross!

[TPBlinD]

:lol:, you said god, :lmao:
I know he will save me in the end and smite all the non-believers, however I am pure and thus shall ascend into God's loving embrace.

[Terry]

Oh I forgot to say that Lesbians are awesome.

[Emmzee]

Dudes at bbq's....i like you, i like you to dawg, lets get married. that shit is gross!
Oh hi Dave Chappelle.

[Dole]

...never hits on me or anything.
I don't think that's because he's trying to be polite. :p


Why is sex the first thing you think of when thinking of two guys? Hidden emotions maybe...
Definition of homosexual maybe...

[Atty]

Definition of homosexual maybe...

Homo is same and Sex is gender, not intercourse. :)

[TeeKup]

Homo is same and Sex is gender, not intercourse. :)

I never thought you of all people Dole would set yourself up for something that painfully obvious.

[Dole]

That's inane and you know it. By your interpretation, it's a shared friendship of men and not a shared sexuality of men.

In fact, I really don't understand what's in defense there, anyway.

[Atty]

That's inane and you know it. By your interpretation, it's a shared friendship of men and not a shared sexuality of men.

in fact, I really don't understand what you're trying to defend, anyway.What? Are you replying to my post? Its perfectly accurate. I can't tell whether you're being an idiot in hopes of trying to be funny or just being an idiot because you are so.

Homo is same and Sex is gender, homosexuality is the want to partake in a relationship with one of the same sex. Just because sex (intercourse, or any other form of affection) is commonly in this day and age part of relationships doesn't mean that you should define homosexuality as shared sex between two men/woman.

Homosexuality, Heterosexuality, and Bisexuality are all just definitions of preference in attraction.

[TeeKup]

What? Are you replying to my post? Its perfectly accurate. I can't tell whether you're being an idiot in hopes of trying to be funny or just being an idiot because you are so.

Homo is same and Sex is gender, homosexuality is partaking in a relationship with one of the same sex. Just because sex (intercourse, or any other form of affection) is commonly in this day and age part of relationships doesn't mean that you should define homosexuality as shared sex between two men/woman.

I should hope not, anyone that stoops to that level of ignorance should be hit by a flaming semi-truck.

[Atty]

It would seem whenever homosexuality or even bisexuality comes into discussion all intelligence goes out the window.

[Neuro Guro]

honestly though, it's not something i care for. so you like your penis brown, OKAY.
as long as they don't try to paint it in MY bum.

OM NOM NOM NOM

[p0lar_bear]

Homo is same and Sex is gender, not intercourse. :)

Sex ≠ gender.

[Kalub]

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a286/a286_bm.gif


Damn, fags keep away from me or I'll kill ya. :lol:

[Warsaw]

Sex ≠ gender.

However, genders were made for the purpose of sex.

[Atty]

Sex ≠ gender.According to Google Sex's second definition, the first being Intercourse, is, "either of the two categories (male or female) into which most organisms are divided; "the war between the sexes," and that is exactly what it refers to in this respect.

Homo is same and sex is gender, making the definition roughly being, "Attraction to someone of the same gender." I do hope that you are all mature enough to see the difference between sex when used to define gender and sex when used as a synonym for intercourse.

[Warsaw]

I have always defined it as such. Some people seem to lack the ability to use the context clues though.

[Atty]

I have always defined it as such. Some people seem to lack the ability to use the context clues though.Since it would appear most people on the internet and some of this forum never made it past basic grammar in their school English I very much doubt they made it to identifying and using context clues.

[p0lar_bear]

Sex is what you were born with; it is defined by your reproductive organs. Gender is an association. However, since people lack maturity and think "LOL DAY SED 'SEX' OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 'SEX' OOLOLOL" when they see it on an application or something, the word "gender" seems to have taken its place.

For example, a cross-dresser is of the male sex, but can be considered to be of the female gender if they oh-so-please.

Also, gender can be applied to inanimate objects or words (like in Romance languages like Spanish or French), but sex cannot.

[Ingulit]

"If gay is your way, that is OK. I still know there are alot of you gay people in that closet. Not saying I haven't thought about it myself you know? Go out to Las Vegas or something, buy a couple of drinks, cute little mexican midget."
-Tom MabeI agree with that quote.... except about thinking about it and maybe the midget.
YOU WIN. GOOD DAY SIR.

Rofl, I swear, I just watched that less than five minutes ago. Hilarious.

[Dole]

What? Are you replying to my post? 1. Its perfectly accurate. 2. I can't tell whether you're being an idiot in hopes of trying to be funny or just being an idiot because you are so.

Homo is same and 3. Sex is gender, 4. homosexuality is the want to partake in a relationship with one of the same sex. 5. Just because sex (intercourse, or any other form of affection) is commonly in this day and age part of relationships doesn't mean that you should define homosexuality as shared sex between two men/woman.

6. Homosexuality, Heterosexuality, and Bisexuality are all just definitions of preference in attraction.
1. No, it's not. It's just ant attempt to propose an ignorant basis of ill-conceived rationalizations on which to condone homosexuality.
2. Heh, I'm being an idiot. That almost got a chuckle out of me. In what way are you accusing me of being an idiot, or that post of not being sober?
3. No. Sex is a concrete classification, gender is an abstract concept.
4. So unless you only associate with people of the opposite sex, you're gay? Owai--
5. A relationship cannot be homosexual before it is, indeed, at first sexual. Otherwise, it's just friendship.
6. Attraction between sexes is SEXUAL in nature. Thus why it is attraction, and not merely amiability.

[Mass]

I'm not a butch dude, I don't particularly love sports ect... (beer's good though =D) and I fucking hate the overly masculine shtick some people have. At the same time, I am resolutely heterosexual.

To be honest, in an asexual manor, I absolutely love gay people. I see a lot of posts in this thread that more or less say something like "I don't mind gays, as long as their penis isn't up my ass." That's fine, and its a good start for social acceptance, possibly sufficient. But I know that personally, for me, gay people are amazing individuals, being born with a social disability, (the disability is an artificial bullshit concept tacked on by people who can't accept that there are different strokers or different folks.) Anyway, most people therefore, don't want to spend time with them. Usually in order to cope with this I find gays push themselves to be exceptional people. The full blown "fag" routine doesn't bother me at all, I find it funny and charming, and I love just about anybody who is true to themselves. My school is a very gay centric place, and I love it dearly, we have the largest single GSA club in the Midwest, and a disproportionate, (1/7) percentage of gay and bi individuals. I hang out with them, and they are just energetic and cool, fighting and yet enjoying their stereotype. But, whats almost as fun as being around gays is tormenting, questioning, and in general mind-fucking people who act as straight as possible on purpose because they are homophobic themselves or think that they won't be cool if they are anything but a resolute gender stereotype. I am completely comfortable with my sexuality, and as such, I love pretending to be gay just in order to make people uncomfortable, or teach them a lesson about how close-minded and ignorant they are. In a world ruled by sexual paradigms I made people think.

[TeeKup]

I have a major problem with number 5. By the way you said that you make it seem as if all homosexuals are just obsessed with having sex with one another instead of falling in love and having relationships. I do hope you realize that is false.

Number 5 again. So let me get this straight, during the period BEFORE I had sex with my boyfriend, when we were just kissing and hugging and what not, that can be considered just friendship?

My god dole, you have impeccable logic.

[Dole]

1. I have a major problem with number 5. By the way you said that you make it seem as if all homosexuals are just obsessed with having sex with one another. I hope you realize that is false.

2. Number 5 again. So let me get this straight, during the period BEFORE I had sex with my boyfriend, when we were just kissing and hugging and what not, that can be considered just friendship?

3. My god dole, you have impeccable logic.
1. I make it seem as though homosexuals must have sexual desires to be homosexual, which you articulate beautifully in the next paragraph. I never said that sex had yet physically taken place.
2. You were already sexually attracted to him. You were hugging and kissing him out of latent sexual impulse, not as a coy, demure, or socio-cultural greeting of etiquette.
3. It is acknowledged.

[TeeKup]

1. I make it seem as though homosexuals must have sexual desires to be homosexual, which you articulate beautifully in the next paragraph.
2. You were already sexually attracted to him. You were hugging and kissing him out of sexual impulse, not out as a coy, demure greeting.
3. It is acknowledged.

1: See my edit about relationships. We have the same desires as everyday people, to find someone to love and be with for the rest of our lives, not endless sex.

2: Wrong. I kissed him and hugged him because I love him, sexual desire had no part it in.

3. It is acknowledged that you know absolutely nothing about emotional stand-points in relationships. Unless you can prove me wrong then I really suggest you shut that fat mouth of yours.

[Dole]

2: Wrong. I kissed him and hugged him because I love him, sexual desire had no part it in.
Latent sexuality is subconcious. Where the hell is Texrat when you need him?

[TeeKup]

Latent sexuality is subconcious. Where the hell is Texrat when you need him?

Subconcious, meaning it is always there and active. Theres no way to ignore that. Regardless still, I don't see anthony as my free ticket to sex, I see him as my loving partner.

I love how you just disregarded my two other points.

[Dole]

Your first point was irrelevant for an edit because it had already been accounted for. Your last point was just angered frustration lashing out without anything for me to actually address.

Also: subconscious, meaning it is a silhouette in your nature that is a subtle motivator accredited to proto-sexual characteristics of instinctuality, whether or not you can [or will] yet admit to them consciously.

[TeeKup]

Your first point was irrelevant for an edit because it was already accounted for. Your last point was just disgruntled frustration lashing out without anything for me to actually address.

My disgruntled frustration because you lack basic and proper knowledge for what happens in a relationship. All that I analyzed in your posts is you basically saying that only sex happens in a homosexual relationship and nothing more. Please prove me wrong Dole.

[Archon23]

Would you two please take this to PMs? Dear god threads get derailed way too fast here.

[TeeKup]

I've just come to a realization. Why he's trying to logically explain what homosexuals do (excludeing the love factor), I'm trying to make him acknowledge that love factor. However love really can't be explained logically in any relationship, so this argument will end in a basic stalemate. I'm done.

[Mass]

All dole is saying is that the difference between homo and heterosexuals is at its bottom, entirely based on sexual desire. However, anywhere above that it is just rediculous to associate gay people only with gay sex. I mean, when someone says they are gay, that does not imply they have gay sex, merely that they prefer it over hetero sex.

[Agamemnon]

Would you two please take this to PMs? Dear god threads get derailed way too fast here.
People talking about homosexuality in the homosexuality thread is derailment? :confused:

[Dole]

Would you two please take this to PMs? Dear god threads get derailed way too fast here.
Private Messages are no place for public arguments. Hell, even private arguments belong in IM's, not PM's.
PM's are for inquiries at a time when someone cannot be reached via IM's.


I've just come to a realization. Why he's trying to logically explain what homosexuals do (excludeing the love factor), I'm trying to make him acknowledge that love factor. However love really can't be explained logically in any relationship, so this argument will end in a basic stalemate. I'm done.
Well, at least this post nullifies of any need to respond to your last one.

[Ingulit]

People talking about homosexuality in the homosexuality thread is derailment? :confused:
QFT

[p0lar_bear]

Oh yeah, before I forget:

~http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-awesome.gif>

[SnaFuBAR]

i personally don't care if someone else is gay. their choice, just don't go telling me about your weekends, if you know what i mean. honestly, they're not hurting my relationship with God, so why should i care?

[Skiiran]

I have no problem with someone being homosexual, however, as stated many times in this thread, it's when it's taken to unnecessary extremes to make it overly obvious that I get bugged.

[Dole]

i personally don't care if someone else is gay. their choice, just don't go telling me about your weekends, if you know what i mean. honestly, they're not hurting my relationship with God, so why should i care?
The both of us know what your answer to that is, Snaf, but I'm not sure why you feel obligated to be so coy as to not come across as offensive.
There are things much more important than fleeting, petty, personal offenses, and I know you feel as strongly about that as I do.


But for my last post in this thread tonight, and for anyone who has a relatively well-detailed knowledge of the metaphors and maxims woven into Seinfeld plots, I say this: the origin of this condition in a person's preference and acceptance is much akin at its roots (note bene: strictly the roots) to George Costanza and the "most succulant of the salted, cured meats (not just pastrami, but just for the sake of remaining shrewdly cryptic)," and the comparisons that Jerry points out to him while at Monk's cafe in the middle of the episode. Then you will understand where I tie in the skewed conception of love in its applicability to this thread.

[Emmzee]

People talking about homosexuality in the homosexuality thread is derailment? :confused:
It's possible. Allow me to demonstrate.


You wanna do it in my butt, in my butt?
Let's do it in the butt.
OH KAY.

[PlasbianX]

It's possible. Allow me to demonstrate.


You wanna do it in my butt, in my butt?
Let's do it in the butt.
OH KAY.

[22:30] emmzee: http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showpost.php?p=158268&postcount=96
[22:30] plasbianx: ?
[22:30] emmzee: kekeke
[22:30] plasbianx: !?!?
[22:30] emmzee: kekekeke
[22:30] plasbianx: fag
[22:30] plasbianx: .
[22:30] emmzee: kekeke
[22:31] emmzee: let's do it in the butt
[22:31] emmzee: OH KAY
[22:31] plasbianx: :X

:<

[Agamemnon]

It's possible. Allow me to demonstrate.


You wanna do it in my butt, in my butt?
Let's do it in the butt.
OH KAY.
But it's ok when you say that because we understand your needs and we all accept you for who you are.

[Kornman00]

It's their choice.

But bisexual women for the win :awesome:
:eng101:

[Texrat]

I have no problem with someone being homosexual, however, as stated many times in this thread, it's when it's taken to unnecessary extremes to make it overly obvious that I get bugged.

Better that than buggered. :XD:

[Texrat]

Latent sexuality is subconcious. Where the hell is Texrat when you need him?

The context of the the tread skeers me. Define... "need". :eyesroll:

[Con]

Tex, you dirty old man :smith:

[Texrat]

Tex, you dirty old man :smith:

He started it!

[legionaire45]

D=

I really could give a damn. Just don't go and give me an F on a test because I'm not gay =<

[Teroh]

I live in San Francisco. Lets think about my views here... I don't care.

[t3h m00kz]

i personally don't care if someone else is gay. their choice, just don't go telling me about your weekends, if you know what i mean. honestly, they're not hurting my relationship with God, so why should i care?


:lol:, you said god, :lmao:

My view on things is if it doesn't hurt anyone, physically or mentally, it's not a sin. As long as you do your best to be a good, nice guy, you've got nothing to really worry about.

[El Lobo]

[22:30] emmzee: http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showpost.php?p=158268&postcount=96
[22:30] plasbianx: ?
[22:30] emmzee: kekeke
[22:30] plasbianx: !?!?
[22:30] emmzee: kekekeke
[22:30] plasbianx: fag
[22:30] plasbianx: .
[22:30] emmzee: kekeke
[22:31] emmzee: let's do it in the butt
[22:31] emmzee: OH KAY
[22:31] plasbianx: :X

:<Oh god you guys still use "keke"

[Kornman00]

My view on things is if it doesn't hurt anyone, physically or mentally, it's not a sin. As long as you do your best to be a good, nice guy, you've got nothing to really worry about.
then you have the people who


omg someones gay, the thought of someone being gai makes my brainz hurt /wrist :<

o god save me //_-![/sarcasm]


who then claim its a sin...because you hurt their brains lulz. Just worry about yourself people, for fucks sake.

[Texrat]

^ <3

[rossmum]

Yeah, seriously.

e:

Dole, you make me sad. I'd have thought someone with your intelligence would be above such petty and utterly pointless arguments over something that doesn't even affect you.

Also,


I'm not a butch dude, I don't particularly love sports ect... (beer's good though =D) and I fucking hate the overly masculine shtick some people have. At the same time, I am resolutely heterosexual.
I can identify with this very well.

[El Lobo]

Honestly, come on.

[Texrat]

Yeah, seriously.

In a no-homo way, of course.

[Kornman00]

Honestly, come on.
you? anytime my little puppy ~:awesome:>

[El Lobo]

you treat me too well korn. ;)

[n00b1n8R]

:stupid generalisations:
if your gay then sure, go for it. just don't tell me the storys kay? :3

OH KAY ~:awesome:>

[Leiukemia]

You're basing that too off of only christian/catholic type religeons. Not everyone beleives you go to hell.... Jehovah's witness for a good example, who make up a large population. They also don't practice homosexuality. Which is not to say they would ever tell someone to stop doing so, or right out talk offensively to them or about them. But now, you've got a nice old flame going on about religeon, when you hardly know about the differant factions and versions, with little insight even on what they beleive. Generalization on religeon in arguements will only work if you happen to be talking to someone who is of the religeon you think you know everything about.

[t3h m00kz]

n00b1n8r u muzt prAAAYAYYZE JAYZIS

[n00b1n8R]

okay I pray sowwy jebus D:

@lukemia: I was talking about christianity only because that's the only religion I know anything about. I don't know about hindu's/budists/islamists/FSM's positions on homosexuality so that comment isn't dirrected at those people.

[rossmum]

Because all branches of Christianity are against homosexuality, right? :rolleyes:

[n00b1n8R]

I havn't heard of any that don't oppose it.

though I suppose people saying you can do something wouldn't make the news :/

yer that post was stupid and dies now.

[rossmum]

I've heard of plenty that don't.

Aside from that, assuming what the church says is actually part of the Christian belief system is incredibly stupid. A lot of stuff was twisted to the Catholic Church's advantage over the centuries, and most others have done the same (to varying degrees).

[Agamemnon]

Right, and different sects of Christianity upon itself are ok, right? Do you know that there's no such thing as a Christian now? The religion is just a varying amount of sects, which are created by man when they feel as if the original religion's rules and standards of livings don't meet their expectations, so they change them.

Also Ross Islam, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, and Hinduism all label homosexuality as incorrect. This isn't a matter of "man changing the rules," especially since man has been known throughout the ages in various civilizations that bisexuality and homosexuality reigned supreme. Christianity, which didn't even pick up until some 200 or 300 years after Jesus died, first picked up in the Roman Empire, which didn't look down on homosexuality or bisexuality. It wouldn't really make sense for people, who want to change the religion in the first place, wouldn't change the view point of that bit for their outlook, now would it? I mean, Christ's Mass might've been the only outlet for that one, but that was in the 1600's and that ended up changing anyways.

[Texrat]

Not to nitpick, but there were ancient sects of Christianity, such as some Gnostics, who accepted homosexuality, orgies, and all sorts of fun.

[DaneO'Roo]

The both of us know what your answer to that is, Snaf, but I'm not sure why you feel obligated to be so coy as to not come across as offensive.
There are things much more important than fleeting, petty, personal offenses, and I know you feel as strongly about that as I do.


But for my last post in this thread tonight, and for anyone who has a relatively well-detailed knowledge of the metaphors and maxims woven into Seinfeld plots, I say this: the origin of this condition in a person's preference and acceptance is much akin at its roots (note bene: strictly the roots) to George Costanza and the "most succulant of the salted, cured meats (not just pastrami, but just for the sake of remaining shrewdly cryptic)," and the comparisons that Jerry points out to him while at Monk's cafe in the middle of the episode. Then you will understand where I tie in the skewed conception of love in its applicability to this thread.

/thread

^ haha I never thought anyone could ever bring seinfield into this.

Ok, I admit, gay guys creep my out a whole bunch, and at times, I've called names and what not when I seen them in the street and I feel bad about it, but what they do is their business. I just still can't fucking stand them. Seeing a guy kiss another guy just makes me want to gag, and I can't help that. It's like watching really bad gore to me.

Lesbos are fine though, because to me the female body is much more beautiful. Rather than a big hairy shlong hanging out of a bunch of gooch hair. I know your thinking, "but guys can wax and shave like girls!" Key word there, "like girls". Why do they need to do as girls to do get their homosexual lover to touch them? I thought it was about the love?

Love extends far, but I have no doubt in my mind, that if 2 gay lovers were unable to have sexual relations, the relationship would fail. It's just the way I see it, sorry everybody. Otherwise, as Dole said, they're just good mates, who hug alot.


I don't mean to have seriously offended anyone whos gay. I know your real people with real feelings but really, some people can't stand scary movies, some people can't stand mustard and I can't stand seeing two guys kiss.

[Agamemnon]

Not to nitpick, but there were ancient sects of Christianity, such as some Gnostics, who accepted homosexuality, orgies, and all sorts of fun.
That makes sense as well. When Christianity first started to pick up, many of the Romans wanted to keep their old ways. The Winter Solstice festival wasn't Christ's Mass until some odd years later down the road.

[Texrat]

Well, they were Jews only at that point, but there was of course cross-cultural exchange.

[Shard]

I honestly don't care, I'm not here to judge you :\.

So long as they do not talk about there Experiences, i'm fine.


DO NOT WANT EXPERIENCES :|

[Pooky]

I've heard of plenty that don't.

Aside from that, assuming what the church says is actually part of the Christian belief system is incredibly stupid.
You know I love you rossy poo, but anything Christians believe is part of the Christian belief system. D:


A lot of stuff was twisted to the Catholic Church's advantage over the centuries, and most others have done the same (to varying degrees).
I'll agree that the Catholic church has no right to forgive anyone when they've sponsored some of the most horrific acts of all time.

The reason for the whole "Christians hate gays" stereotype isn't that Christians all hate gays, it's that Christian principles are the most used excuse for hating gays. So saying all branches of Christianity hate gays is stupid, while saying most of the people who hate gays are self proclaimed Christians is correct.

[Leiukemia]

You know I love you rossy poo, but anything most Christians agree on is part of the Christian belief system. D:

I'll agree that the Catholic church has no right to forgive anyone when they've sponsored some of the most horrific acts of all time.

The reason for the whole "Christians hate gays" stereotype isn't that Christians all hate gays, it's that Christian principles are the most used excuse for hating gays. So saying all branches of Christianity hate gays is stupid, while saying most of the people who hate gays are self proclaimed Christians is correct.

Now there's talking on the right lines. I think it's sad when people cannot find a real reason they dislike homosexuality, and suddenly use the christian card as if it's the real inner meaning. It makes it hard on other christians who in turn receive shit for their beleifs, when in reality anyone who was serious about it would not be acting in that manner whatsoever to a homosexual. My family (not including me, anymore) is pretty hardcore jehovahs witness. While they don't agree with homosexuality, they don't mind the company of a homosexual, nor even have any lower respect for them. They keep their beleifs to themselves, and let the person decide for themself what is right and what is wrong. One thing that many christians like to forget, is that even though the religeon is slightly differant, the bible is basically the same, except for possibly the rearrangement of words. (when I say this, I don't mean downright changed, it would be more like: "God said to them" to "and it was said to them from god". Exact same thing just differant arrangement). And one of the things that is the same in every christian bible, is not forcing your beleifs on other people, and it is stated in there that no man can truly beleive what is right. Not saying what they beleive will always be wrong, just that they will not actually know for a fact what is right. I could show some scriptures, but that would be pushing it on my part I think, so I'll let it rest at that.

[t3h m00kz]

/thread

Lesbos are fine though, because to me the female body is much more beautiful. Rather than a big hairy shlong hanging out of a bunch of gooch hair. I know your thinking, "but guys can wax and shave like girls!" Key word there, "like girls". Why do they need to do as girls to do get their homosexual lover to touch them? I thought it was about the love?


*waxes his legs at you angrily* Rarhghrhaghh.

And yeah, it is about the love. I could care less if my room mate does shit like that. However, we are both bisexual, and still find females attractive. (We even had a girl come over one time), so smooth legs would be acceptable. ;p Either way, it doesn't make a difference in our relationship.

Not to tell you about what goes on during my weekends or anything :lol:

[Pooky]

Lesbos are fine though, because to me the female body is much more beautiful.

What?

Of course it is to you, you're heterosexual. :eyesroll:

I'll bet you the two people who voted they only dislike heterosexual women are girls.

[Dole]

Not to nitpick, but there were ancient sects of Christianity, such as some Gnostics, who accepted homosexuality, orgies, and all sorts of fun.
But the Gnostics still regarded those practices as evil in nature; they just felt that the human body and the entire physical world was also evil, and that any immoral acts of carnal classification could not threaten the immortal human soul.

[Digikid]

as long as they stay the hell away from me I am fine.

[Texrat]

But the Gnostics still regarded those practices as evil in nature; they just felt that the human body and the entire physical world was also evil, and that any immoral acts of carnal classification could not threaten the immortal human soul.

Not all Gnostics. Just as there are sects today, there were sects then. They were however lumped together by critics just as contemporary Christians tend to be now.

Read the criticisms of Iraeneus and others (I'll update with another critic's name when I remember to look it up). According to them, there were extremist Gnostics who believed male homosexual sex actually served an important purpose. And to Gnostics who were matristic (which was most of them IIRC), so did orgies... and other acts I won't go into here.

[t3h m00kz]

What?

Of course it is to you, you're heterosexual. :eyesroll:

I'll bet you the two people who voted they only dislike heterosexual women are girls.

Or really huge flamers. ZOMG FABTACULAR

I agree, the "Only males" and "Only females" poll options are a bit... eh. There are amounts of dislike in between, but doing it based on gender is... eh. I'd do something along the lines of:

1. I hate gays
2. I hate openly gay people that want to destroy the heterosexual population (lol, I know people like this)
3. I dislike the concept but it's their choice
4. I don't mind them at all

While referring to homosexuals in general, pole smokers AND carpet munchers.

[paladin]

as long as they stay the hell away from me I am fine.

Homophobic much? Your pole is slightly bias. I have no problem with them.

[Emmzee]

What?

Of course it is to you, you're heterosexual. :eyesroll:

I'll bet you the two people who voted they only dislike heterosexual women are girls.
Not entirely true.

The man's body is utilitarian. It's ugly, but it gets the job done.

A woman's body is more of a work of art.

Although, I guess it's more about how much one shaves...

[ExAm]

I choose option 5: OTHER: It's a genetic defect that causes them to be attracted to the wrong pheromones, and I accept that.


I'm fine being around them as long as they don't make any advances on me. My family has a few gay friends, and one of my friends has a pair of lesbians as adoptive parents. A shining example of how nothing bad can come of a child being raised by a homosexual couple.

[Bodzilla]

woah this was a heavy thread to read through.

anyway my opinion is.
i dont have any problem with them at all.
Hey dano, u know nicole that used to come round from next door?... guess what, she's a lesbian.
and a fella that i used to talk and laugh with everyday on the bus was gay.
i have had experiences being friends with both and they dont bother me.

although i do find male on male sexual advances alarming and somewhat disturbing i realised that it had nothing to do with me, it didnt affect me and it was there choice.
and i believe in choice.

[Kornman00]

Not entirely true.

The man's body is utilitarian. It's ugly, but it gets the job done.

Some women will flat out disagree with you on some men, just like we would too if the roles were switched.

However, I think Lightning is screwed either way :-3

[Agamemnon]

I choose option 5: OTHER: It's a genetic defect that causes them to be attracted to the wrong pheromones, and I accept that.
It's genetic and it's also psychologically-tied.

[Shard]

I think alot of it comes from Extreme Mental Fuck-up-isorism, :| Yeah..Not a word.

But alot of Homosexuals had a really bad childhood or were abused ETC..

Can't blame them for not wanting a Girl when t3h Mum REALLY fucked them :|.


I honestly don't think its right, But you can't stop it by doing what the Catholic/other Churches are doing now.

[Pooky]

But alot of Homosexuals had a really bad childhood or were abused ETC..

Yeah, no. Those are just the ones that get the most publicity, because so many people are determined that homosexuality needs an excuse to exist.

[Digikid]

Homophobic much? Your pole is slightly bias. I have no problem with them.

It is just that I feel that it is WRONG and against our nature. Gay marriage is wrong as well.

Human Marriage Relationships is supposed to have a FEMALE AND A MALE. Nothing else.

Sorry but I am totally against this.:mad:

[Atty]

Ok, you are against this, please justify to me how you can tell people who they can and can not fall in love with?

[Digikid]

Dude. Read my post again please. IT GOES AGAINST HUMANITYS NATURE!!!

[Rosco]

Yes, and if it's not a choice, nature made them become homosexual.

[Digikid]

If this is indeed an act of Nature then Humanity is screwed.

I am sorry of this offends anyone...I really am. This is a topic that I feel extremely STRONGLY about. Nothing will change my mind about this.

[Dole]

The man's body is utilitarian. It's ugly, but it gets the job done.

A woman's body is more of a work of art.
And Dane said he didn't think anyone could bring Seinfeld into this topic. :p

[Phopojijo]

If this is indeed an act of Nature then Humanity is screwed.

I am sorry of this offends anyone...I really am. This is a topic that I feel extremely STRONGLY about. Nothing will change my mind about this.Animals display homosexual behavior so -- its definitely an act of nature in many cases.

That being said I also know a girl who turned lesbian because she was raped at a young age.

Its actually (arguably) in human (and animal) nature to be bisexual. Many beings repress this for various reasons -- not being attracted sexually to any specific member of their gender (or for homosexuals -- the opposite gender) thus never having an opportunity... being (societally, religiously, politically...etc) pressured to repress feelings... having feelings but shrugging them off... whatever.

[Shard]

Yeah, no. Those are just the ones that get the most publicity, because so many people are determined that homosexuality needs an excuse to exist.


Quite a few though.

TBH : I do think alot of them simply say it so they have an excuse.

[TeeKup]

Well Digi he sure shut you up.

Denying marriage to two sentient beings that are in love and deserve to be together is like denying a woman the rights to her own damn child. Those who think gay marriage is wrong need a good slap to the head. I find the only ones who really say this are conservatists or those like digi where they believe its goes against nature. I can tolderate people like digi cause thats understandable, but conservatists are just people who are afraid of change or can't get used to it. Sooner or later people like conservatists will have no where to go, because the world basically works like this: Change or be left behind.

[Phopojijo]

Well Digi he sure shut you up.

Denying marriage to two sentient beings that are in love and deserve to be together is like denying a woman the rights to her own damn child. Those who think gay marriage is wrong need a good slap to the head. I find the only ones who really say this are conservatists or those like digi where they believe its goes against nature. I can tolderate people like digi cause thats understandable, but conservatists are just people who are afraid of change or can't get used to it. Sooner or later people like conservatists will have no where to go, because the world basically works like this: Change or be left behind.Frankly I think there's no such thing as "Gay" or "Straight" people. That being said, I exclusively prefer females. Does that make me "Straight"? Not necessarily. Just means I have a preference which I've not broken for multiple reasons.

1) Never really was attracted to any guy.
2) Am in a fairly long-running (albeit off and on) relationship already.
3) Find homosexual sex very unattractive.
4) (though very minor reason) Quite religious.


That being said -- there's nothing biologically stopping me from finding a dude attractive.

That also being said -- most people here probably saw a member of their own sex as at least slightly attractive at at least one point in their life. Shrug it off? Probably -- but its still a minor attraction.

Similar to when you find a girl in public attractive -- before the brain says "Uhm -- she doesn't look like a virgin, I wonder how many crabs she has in her pubes" and you walk away cringing.

[Shard]

You're almost right, Except having a Child isnt totally wrong :|.

[Phopojijo]

You're almost right, Except having a Child isnt totally wrong :|.Its not wrong at all, its right. Its just not the exclusive correct answer for all encompassed scenarios.

[Cortexian]

It's their choice. That and theres the theory that its all about brain chemistry, in which case they don't really have a choice.

[paladin]

Yes, and if it's not a choice, nature made them become homosexual.
QTF!!!!


I choose option 5: OTHER: It's a genetic defect their genetics that causes them to be attracted to the wrong pheromones, and I accept that.


/Thread.

98.5&#37; agreed.

[Mass]

It doesn't really matter what makes them gay, the fact is they are. You can't control who you love, and you can't justly punish someone for something they can't control.

also

4 Out of Five dentists H2vistians prefer gay rights.

[ExAm]

QTF!!!!



/Thread.

98.5% agreed.To put it bluntly, anything that is not of natural occurrence in our genes is a defect. Something that went wrong during the development of the brain.

[Mass]

To put it bluntly, anything that is not of natural occurrence in our genes is a defect. Something that went wrong during the development of the brain.
But it is natural.

Who defines what is wrong about sexual orientation?
And for all we know its some evolutionary population control device or something, you can't pretend you understand nature.

Actually no one can understand anything completely, a true fool is the one who thinks they can fathom the unfathomable. To very roughly paraphrase Socrates, "I am intelligent because I do not claim to know everything."

Don't misoverestimate your's or anyone else's understanding of these matters, it is at this point impossible, instead focus on the moral issue as that is more within our control.

[JDMFSeanP]

Nobody defines what is wrong about sexual orientation but if two men or two women where supposed to mate, whoever made our race would have a baby come out of that too.

[Mass]

Nobody defines what is wrong about sexual orientation but if two men or two women where supposed to mate, whoever made our race would have a baby come out of that too.


Then why would "Whoever made [our species]" make homosexuality?
As I just said, don't pretend to have the definate answers, no one likes a cosmic smartass. :)

[paladin]

To put it bluntly, anything that is not of natural occurrence in our genes is a defect. Something that went wrong during the development of the brain.


The reason I crossed out defect because the word makes it seem like its wrong or a bad thing. But I do agree with what you are saying.

[Dole]

But it is natural.
Every genetic defect is...

[Mass]

I felt he implyed it wasn't :/


Nature versus Nurture.
Personally I say nature because people from all walks of life are gay.

[jngrow]

Change the "it's their choice" option. Because it's not.

[Dole]

Change the "it's their choice" option. Because it's not.
As in the whole bullshit argument about how "genetics designates whether you will be gay or straight or whether you will be scrawny or shapely and that a person's will has nothing to do with it"? Or as in "homosexuality is intolerable, and a community cannot allow a person to succumb to it"?

[jngrow]

As in the whole bullshit argument about how genetics designates whether you will be gay or straight or whether you will be scrawny or shapely and that a person's will has nothing to do with it?

5 year olds don't choose to be gay. Not necessarily genetics btw.

[Dole]

Because there are no gay five year olds... kids still have a recognition of cooties at that age.

[jngrow]

Because there are no gay five year olds...

Because 5-year old boys who play with Barbies, want their room pink, speak in an effeminate voice etc. etc. etc. aren't gay. Don't tell me "gender confused", either.

[Dole]

Because 5-year old boys who play with Barbies, want their room pink, speak in an effeminate voice etc. etc. etc. aren't gay. 2. Don't tell me "gender confused", either.
Kids like that have unresponsive parents, and aren't very smart children to begin with. Therefore, they didn't necessarily "not choose to be gay" so much as they didn't choose to not be gay. In that sense, it does come full circle back to their will.

2. Don't worry. You will never hear me use that phrase in a legitmate tone.

[jngrow]

And then when they turn out to be gay?

I'll just say this, you can take it or leave it, but I, along with other extended friends/family have personally known little boys who were like that and turned out to be gay.

[Dole]

I'll just say this, you can take it or leave it, but I, along with other extended friends/family have personally known little boys who were like that and turned out to be gay.
Of course a kid like that is going to turn out to be gay, even though at the time he is unaware of even the idea of "gay."

Regardless, such behavior is still the byproduct of unresponsive, stupid parents who think that their impressionable, dependant, and mentally unrefined five-year-old kid who wouldn't know the difference between a Barbie and a G.I. Joe if you threw it at his face is "finding his own way."

Also, everything Polar lays out in the next post.

Also, what the hell is with these advertisements at the bottom of the page? They're disgusting.

[p0lar_bear]

A genetic defect means that there's something in the genetics that shouldn't be according to previously occurring patterns, or that something is missing. These defects can lead to something as simple as near/farsightedness, or something as complex as Downs Syndrome.


Because 5-year old boys who play with Barbies, want their room pink, speak in an effeminate voice etc. etc. etc. aren't gay. Don't tell me "gender confused", either.
Humans aren't sexually aware until puberty, thus, homosexuality cannot exist in prepubescent humans. The aforementioned scenario doesn't mean anything; some kids go though a gender confusion phase, because they are given choices as to what to do, and they experiment. If your 5 year old son were to find a toy box filled with dolls, he's going to play with them, unless you said to him previously that dolls are "bad" or "are for girls only."

[JDMFSeanP]

Then why would "Whoever made [our species]" make homosexuality?
As I just said, don't pretend to have the definate answers, no one likes a cosmic smartass. :)

Sorry if it came out that way, just trying to put something out on the table.

[jngrow]

Of course a kid like that is going to turn out to be gay, even though at the time he is unaware of even the idea of "gay."

Regardless, such behavior is still the byproduct of unresponsive, stupid parents who think that their impressionable, dependant, and unrefined five-year-old kid who wouldn't know the difference between a Barbie and a G.I. Joe if you threw it at his face is "finding his own way."

I admit, a "gay" 5 year old was the wrong choice of words, polar.

Ok, then what are we arguing about?

Oh yeah, choice. What I was trying to show is that people show signs of homosexuality at an early age. But back to choice, it seems to me that you are saying that homosexuality is a result of circumstance and environment, which isn't really a "choice".

Most gay people state they did not choose to be gay, I will say that.

And I don't think it has to do with genetics, if that's what you think.

[ExAm]

So homosexuality is not genetics, huh? It's their choice, right? Wrong. No one chooses to be something almost universally hated. Ever wonder why some gays stay in the closet? They're gay already, without choosing it, but they're trying not to look like it. If everyone were to choose to be gay, they would be gay.

To add to that, scientific evidence is a bitch, isn't it?
The Parental Hormonal Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Prenatal_hormonal_theory)

The Fraternal Birth Order Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Fraternal_birth_order)

Mind you, "theory" doesn't mean "no evidence". There is substantial evidence that it is almost certainly a genetic trait, but hasn't been one hundred percent proven, like any theory. Yet.

[jngrow]

Thank you, ExAm. That was all I was originally trying to say.

[Con]

Gay men have, on an average, slightly longer and thicker penises than straight men.
:smith:

[jngrow]

:smith:

lol wikipedia.

[n00b1n8R]

Denying marriage to two sentient beings that are in love and deserve to be together is like denying a woman the rights to her own damn child.
you need to be married to be together now?
I have nothing against gay marrige but I just don't see the point of it in general :/


Change the "it's their choice" option. Because it's not.

A mod did that.
also it can be. teekie used to be hetrosexual then decided to see where bisexulality would take him.

also wikipedia can be hillarious and massacre is awesome.

[rossmum]

As in the whole bullshit argument about how "genetics designates whether you will be gay or straight or whether you will be scrawny or shapely and that a person's will has nothing to do with it"? Or as in "homosexuality is intolerable, and a community cannot allow a person to succumb to it"?
I love the way you twisted that so the latter sounds like the only acceptible option.

LOOK OUT GUYS THE GAYS ARE GOING TO TURN US ALL INTO POO-PUSHERS LIKE THEM OH CHRIST :tinfoil:

[n00b1n8R]

I'm sure mech wouldn't mind.
to any mad mods that's a reference to his "i fist myself" avatar ok?

[Digikid]

Well Digi he sure shut you up.

Denying marriage to two sentient beings that are in love and deserve to be together is like denying a woman the rights to her own damn child. Those who think gay marriage is wrong need a good slap to the head. I find the only ones who really say this are conservatists or those like digi where they believe its goes against nature. I can tolderate people like digi cause thats understandable, but conservatists are just people who are afraid of change or can't get used to it. Sooner or later people like conservatists will have no where to go, because the world basically works like this: Change or be left behind.

Shut me up???? Oh no I am just beginning...trust me....plus it was time for bed when I posted that anyways.

Sorry but I believe that you are dead wrong. It does indeed go against every grain of our nature.....and nothing that anyone will say or do will convince me otherwise. Male and female. NO OTHER WAY.

These people need to be helped....NOT encouraged.:beating:

[Mass]

[/opression]

I'm sorry you wanna what now?

Also, regardless of whether or not it follows your divine plan, they exist, and last I remember, not being an ass was more important in most religions.

I'm sorry, but when your scripture tells you to stone people for something they can't control or change, it's fucking obsolete.

[Agamemnon]

"Experts" arguing about religion. Time to get some popcorn.

[TeeKup]

A mod did that.
also it can be. teekie used to be hetrosexual then decided to see where bisexulality would take him.

He's right. I fucking dare you to tell me otherwise.

[LlamaMaster]

Is it just me or has digikid got more annoying since he disabled his rep? Dude, I understand where your coming from, I don't like the whole "gay thing" either, but you have to try to be more understanding of people. Don't go around judging homosexuality because you don't understand why they are the way they are. I'm Christian, I'm not gay, and the very idea of two men together (yes, I know women do it too, but as a guy my perspective of gay women is altered by the two balls hanging off me) disturbs me greatly. If it really isn't by choice like so many people believe, I'll just have to accept it. Same for you.


time for bedTime for bed? Aren't you supposed to be an adult, and married or something? Your posting like a child.

[TeeKup]

Is it just me or has digikid got more annoying since he disabled his rep? Dude, I understand where your coming from, I don't like the whole "gay thing" either, but you have to try to be more understanding of people. Don't go around judging homosexuality because you don't understand why they are the way they are. I'm Christian, I'm not gay, and the very idea of two men together (yes, I know women do it too, but as a guy my perspective of gay women is altered by the two balls hanging off me) disturbs me greatly. If it really isn't by choice like so many people believe, I'll just have to accept it.

Llama that was a very smart post. You have my respect for that.

DO NOT CONDEMN WHAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

[n00b1n8R]

Shut me up???? Oh no I am just beginning...trust me....plus it was time for bed when I posted that anyways.

Sorry but I believe that you are dead wrong. It does indeed go against every grain of our nature.....and nothing that anyone will say or do will convince me otherwise. Male and female. NO OTHER WAY.

These people need to be helped....NOT encouraged.:beating:
People like you need to be discouraged tbh.

[Warsaw]

Well, I am just going to throw this onto the table...

Homosexuality in men is more often caused by genetics, where as lesbianism in women is more situational. That is not to say that this is the case all of the time, it is just a generalization (yes, I know generalizations should generally be avoided), but that seems to be my experience (and to add to that, I've seen an article about that).

[Leiukemia]

I would fucking slap you if I could for such and ignorant and wrong post.



He's right. I fucking dare you to tell me otherwise.

Teekie, first I'm going to say I think you're awesome, and that I don't want you to take this the personally at all :)

But it's a little hypocritical the way you say you would slap him for that post. I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything about wanting to physically hurt a homosexual because of their beleif. It's just as much oppression on your part when you're saying you want to hurt him for having an opinion. This is actually a good point I'd like to make too. That homosexuals, or more commonly just those who accept homosexuality, can be even worse then the people who don't accept it. I see people being bashed for having an opinion on the matter nowadays more the I see people bashing on homosexuals. Calling someone ignorant for having an opinion, well they could throw it right back and say that you're ignorant for trying to force your beleifs on them. Just my 2 cents.

[Mass]

"Experts" arguing about religion. Time to get some popcorn.

I know I'm not an expert, in fact I don't really want to get into religion, and I don't believe that I know all there is to know, or that my opinion should be worth all that much.

That doesn't mean I won't express it, if you don't mind.

Personally, I believe that religions are just the same as any other idea, that is, good or bad, with the addition of thousands of years of intelligent input and interpretation: something that neither I, nor anyone I have yet to meet, can possibly claim to be superior to. I just think that no matter what you think, it is no one's place to enforce their beliefs on people through some sort of divine thruthiness.

I don't mean to come off as a smartass.

[TeeKup]

Teekie, first I'm going to say I think you're awesome, and that I don't want you to take this the personally at all :)

But it's a little hypocritical the way you say you would slap him for that post. I don't think anyone in this thread has said anything about wanting to physically hurt a homosexual because of their beleif. It's just as much oppression on your part when you're saying you want to hurt him for having an opinion. This is actually a good point I'd like to make too. That homosexuals, or more commonly just those who accept homosexuality, can be even worse then the people who don't accept it. I see people being bashed for having an opinion on the matter nowadays more the I see people bashing on homosexuals. Calling someone ignorant for having an opinion, well they could throw it right back and say that you're ignorant for trying to force your beleifs on them. Just my 2 cents.

Hmn you are right. Perhaps that was far too harsh. I'll edit my post.

[Dole]

I love the way you twisted that so the latter sounds like the only acceptible option.
From Bodie and everything he's got to say about how your final form is set in stone because of your genes, and all the crap likewise flying left and right in this thread, I'm tired of people trying to toss around the notion that "THERE JEENZ HURR!1!eleven!11" is what will account for everyting you will become in your lifetime, even when the actual homosexuals in this thread say nothing of the sort.

Honestly people, grow some fucking balls. Men are born with will. Nothing will force you into anything without your own consent.

Regardless, when it comes to the subject of me, I'm sure everyone here is already aware by this point that as far as I'm concerned, it is the only acceptable option. Men have the obligation to make a stake in this world, to make their mark, and to have an heir whom they can pass it on to, and whom they can teach to follow suit.

[rossmum]

Shut me up???? Oh no I am just beginning...trust me....plus it was time for bed when I posted that anyways.

Sorry but I believe that you are dead wrong. It does indeed go against every grain of our nature.....and nothing that anyone will say or do will convince me otherwise. Male and female. NO OTHER WAY.

These people need to be helped....NOT encouraged.:beating:


People like you need to be discouraged tbh.
What n00b said.


From Bodie and everything he's got to say about how your final form is set in stone because of your genes, and all the crap likewise flying left and right in this thread, I'm tired of people trying to toss around the notion that "THERE JEENZ HURR!1!eleven!11" is what will account for everyting you will become in your lifetime, even when the actual homosexuals in this thread say nothing of the sort.
So I suppose scientific evidence isn't enough for you? I suppose I chose to have blonde hair, blue eyes and be over 6' tall? I suppose I chose to have hayfever? Genes don't determine everything, obviously, but they do determine a lot. What's more, scientists believe that a 'gay gene' has been discovered.


Honestly people, grow some fucking balls. Men are born with will. Nothing will force you into anything without your own consent.
Because will can totally override biological constraints, right? :downs:


Regardless, when it comes to the subject of me, I'm sure everyone here is already aware by this point that as far as I'm concerned, it is the only acceptable option. Men have the obligation to make a stake in this world, to make their mark, and to have an heir whom they can pass it on to, and whom they can teach to follow suit.
Oh, please. I'd expect something a lot more intelligent and a lot less ignorant from you, but it appears I was wrong. Oh well.

[Agamemnon]

So I suppose scientific evidence isn't enough for you? I suppose I chose to have blonde hair, blue eyes and be over 6' tall? I suppose I chose to have hayfever? Genes don't determine everything, obviously, but they do determine a lot. What's more, scientists believe that a 'gay gene' has been discovered.
You're also leaving the part out where it's also psychological.

[Pooky]

Men have the obligation to make a stake in this world, to make their mark, and to have an heir whom they can pass it on to, and whom they can teach to follow suit.

And exactly who pushes this obligation on us? Or are you just pulling bullshit out of thin air to justify your unfounded prejudice, now?

[El Lobo]

hey guys listenin to soulja boy

[ExAm]

Shut me up???? Oh no I am just beginning...trust me....plus it was time for bed when I posted that anyways.

Sorry but I believe that you are dead wrong. It does indeed go against every grain of our nature.....and nothing that anyone will say or do will convince me otherwise. Male and female. NO OTHER WAY.

These people need to be helped....NOT encouraged.:beating:


Malleability of homosexuality

In 1985, Fritz Klein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Klein) argued that sexual orientation may change over time and is composed of various elements, both sexual and non-sexual.[114] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#_note-46) A psychologist from the University of Utah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Utah) measured changes in sexual attractions among white, highly educated lesbians and bisexual women over a two-year period and found that changes in sexual attraction were generally small (more so in lesbians), but that their self-identification of their sexualities and their sexual behavior were more variable.[115] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#_note-47)
The American Psychological Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychological_Association) (APA) states that homosexuality "is not changeable", and that attempts at eliminating same-sex attractions are not effective and are potentially harmful.[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#_note-apaanswers) More generally, the APA states, "psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed",[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#_note-apaanswers) and in 2001 United States Surgeon General (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States) David Satcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Satcher) issued a report maintaining that "there is no valid scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed".[116] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#_note-48) Now shut up.

As an add-on to Ross's bit about genetics, I watched a video in Biology a while back, which explained that genes exist that determine your reaction to certain general situations. Some things can be pushed through, like the gene that makes you, say, afraid to jump off the high dive (not specifically the high dive, but dangerous things in general). You can push through that fear and do it, but you will always have that fear at your core. Your brain tells you to be cautious by genetic code. Some people look at the high dive as a challenge, and have no fear of it, because of their genes.
Another way to put it is, look at Ross. He has Asperger's. He can work through it and be sociable, and look outwardly normal, but the core effects of Asperger's itself still affect him in one way or another.
Gays are attracted to other men. They can go through that and date women, be good at it, and have a family, but that does in no way mean that they are attracted to the woman they are with, or aren't still attracted to men.

[p0lar_bear]

It's the common male stereotype of being in control. If you are a man, you MUST have 100&#37; control over everything and follow a certain "code of honor." If you fail to do any of that, you don't deserve your penis. :rolleyes:

Digikid, being closed-minded is one thing, but being loud about it is something else. If you hate gays, then scream it at the top of your lungs... in your head. By making an educated guess of where your logic would lead, I'd say that the contingency plan towards the gays who cannot be "helped" would be to remove them from the gene pool.

There's a common motto that you should follow in this case: "live and let live."

[Agamemnon]

"Psychological evidence"
You do know the profession itself is scientific in nature and goes through many theories throughout the ages? We used to give lobotomies to the loonies thinking that was a cure and no one took a double look. Psychologists themselves can be classified into groups of theories as well and probably the only ones ever trying to further develop the field are the ones thinking outside the box, like the ones who take note how actual homosexuals, as in the ones that actually have the hormonal imbalance, only become homosexuals all based upon how they are brought up as well as it being tied in with conditioning.

Further more, psychology is more so the logical man's religion of today. We twist it the way we want to see it based upon how society wants to. Considering most psychologists are existentialists, I wouldn't put it past them to say, "Anything goes, as we have proof that says so and proof that states otherwise."

[ExAm]

Does that mean it's definitely incorrect? Absolutely not. Does that mean it's definitely correct? Of course not. However, there's a high probability that it is true, as there is much, much. MUCH more evidence to suggest that homosexuality is genetic, than otherwise.

[Agamemnon]

The evidence agrees with the current theories, so how can either be tipped further into either side? It would be biased to say anything otherwise that the "factual evidence" is anything but fiction because the fact agrees with theories, which, in turn, aren't factual at all.

[ExAm]

The evidence agrees with the current theories, so how can either be tipped further into either side? It would be biased to say anything otherwise that the "factual evidence" is anything but fiction because the fact agrees with theories, which, in turn, aren't factual at all.Let me clarify, so what you're saying essentially is that all of these studies that suggest a genetic component are wrong? Furthermore, are you stating that the evidence itself was falsified? That's what the word "fiction" means, isn't it? There's no way you can "twist" a theory having to do with conscious choice, or development environment into something having to do with genetics. These can't be turned into one another without adding completely false information. That's not what spin is. If I've misinterpreted your post, then, by all means, clarify. It may just be me, but it doesn't seem worded too well.

[Agamemnon]

It's 3 AM, so yeah, that could be it. :p

You first pointed out how that they might be theories and they might be right and wrong, but then you said that they're leaning to being right. I then said how can you say that when you just stated that they are theories, and theories are considered on a scientific level just that; a theory. Mind you the field of psychology didn't even exist until about nearly 150 years ago, so to say we've even graced the field is an overstatement.

Like I said, it's today's logical man's religion. We hold onto small factual evidence findings and like to amplify them to our view points (and that would be like clergymen altering religious text).

[n00b1n8R]

Honestly people, grow some fucking balls. Men are born with will. Nothing will force you into anything without your own consent.

funny how you worded that to make men superior (or would the word "people" have sounded better :rolleyes:)


Men have the obligation to make a stake in this world, to make their mark, and to have an heir whom they can pass it on to, and whom they can teach to follow suit.

what about women? do they have this right too?
also why are they "obligated"?

"hi i'd like to sign up to be bourn."
"sure thing, guy or girl?"
"hmm... what the heck, i'll be a guy"
"no prob. now you understand that by signing this form to be bourn and be a male that you are obligated to be hetrosexual and have a child?"
"ok sounds good."

um, no.

[ExAm]

It's 3 AM, so yeah, that could be it. :p

You first pointed out how that they might be theories and they might be right and wrong, but then you said that they're leaning to being right. I then said how can you say that when you just stated that they are theories, and theories are considered on a scientific level just that; a theory. Mind you the field of psychology didn't even exist until about nearly 150 years ago, so to say we've even graced the field is an overstatement.

Like I said, it's today's logical man's religion. We hold onto small factual evidence findings and like to amplify them to our view points (and that would be like clergymen altering religious text).Theories can have a lot of evidence and still be theories, and even have a chance of being wrong. I'm only saying that there's a lot of evidence to support the genetic theories, and that's why I strongly believe in them.

Also, Noobin8r, it's spelled "born".

[Digikid]

I do not care about what people say. It is dead wrong. NO ifs ands or buts. I apologize but it goes against every grain of my nature. Now as for you guys posting shitty so called facts. Facts are not always correct....so do not follow them or you will fall into the same trap as the others have.

As for me having a closed mind...on this topic...yes I do....because it is RIGHT. These people need to be helped.

LlamaMaster: Yes I am the same as you in that regard. This goes against almost EVERYTHING that we have been taught as Christians. EVERYTHING!!!!! Because of this "outbreak" I have no faith at all in our species progressing as we should.

I am not here to start a flame war guys. You posted a very sensitive topic and you should have expected that some people would be against this. If you are just gonna flame people for oppoosing you then you either need to lock this topic now or accept that there are people like me and LlamaMaster that are against this. I know that there is nothing NOW that we can do to stop this.....but I hope that in the near future there is.

[TeeKup]

*shakes head*

You're an adult, I'm a teenager, in any case were you to use you're martial arts skills on me I could have you arrested for assault.

Digikid you are being extremely ignorant again, you are NOT right and I have no idea how to make you realize it. Homosexuals and Bisexuals are just people with different aspects on life. Homosexuality will never go away so I suggest you clam up and deal with it.

EDIT: Wait, facts are not always correct? So I guess that means you listen to just about any drivel you find anywhere don't you?

[Digikid]

Teekup. Be lientiant here. I am trying to tell you how I feel. That is what this thread is about. This thread wanted my opinion and I gave it. I am trying to not be ignorant and I am sorry if it comes off that way.

Facts always CHANGE....hence they are not always 100&#37; correct.

I actually am afraid for you and the other younger ones out there right now. This is just one of the situations that are threatening the world as we know it.

We are looking out for YOU....the younger generations. Tryint to make the world a better place for YOU!!

Try to be more understanding.

[TeeKup]

I understand how you feel.

You are from a generation that grew up without homosexuals so you now you fear them and you think it is wrong. I am from the current generation where homosexuality is an everyday thing.

You don't need to be afraid for us. My generation is quite capable of figuring things out on our own, the people in my school are some of the most intelligent that I've ever seen. Ross is in my generation and he's on of the most intelligent people on these forums.

For some reason people like you think we are helpless children who do no know how to run the future let alone our lives. You are quite wrong. It's hard for you to accept it but you need to.

To be honest, thats what I'm afraid of, people like you molding my world for me. Work on improving the people from your generation, not mine. I respect you're opinion but you need to change as times have changed, if you don't you cannot survive in today's world. It's simple as that. It is your opinion but I find it VERY insulting when you say people like me need to be helped, especially when they are VERY down to earth and understanding. Try to be more considerate from now on.

Please don't take this as me trying to force my beliefs upon you, this is simply how I feel.

[Digikid]

Fair enough. :)