Rant time!

[rossmum]

fap told me to put this into a thread, so here you go.

This forum has been going downhill for months. It started with CMT and even now they're 'gone', the filth they left is still here. I'm sick of seeing threads spammed to hell or turned into flamewars because of moronic fanboys and wannabe internet crusaders thinking some sod needs 'saving' from the 'cruel and horrible flamers' who are just being honest. I'm sick of seeing foul rubbish spouted in any thread about anything that doesn't conform perfectly to somebody and his borderline neo-Nazi, extremist views. I'm sick of certain people constantly bitch-whinging about Metroid even though he stopped trolling long ago. But worst of all, nothing has been done about it at all. Dole was banned for - wait for it - a week, after Dr had the decency to go warn some of his posts (including his little hate-sprees on Russians and homosexuals) which I'd reported at least a month earlier. Timo, Ghost and jfap are almost never on, and Zeph is too busy with college and his little pranks to really do shit. As a result, even the attempts at intelligent discussion get driven into the mud by idiotic bickering over the most petty of details, and the few threads that the mods actually bother to lock are locked about 30-odd pages after they went off the rails.

Quite frankly, I believe this site is in need of a major reform - like the one we had when the new theme was installed, except focusing on cleaning out users rather than threads. Long-time members, myself included, are allowed to get away with nothing short of blue murder without so much as a slap on the wrist, while not-so-established members are either banned for a mere week for something that warrants at least a month, or are absolutely raped with infractions for one moment of stupidity. Being 'fair' has turned into 'doing the least amount of warning possible to keep the masses happy', and even the new detention section set up specifically for repeat offenders so the staff can discuss their situation with them has seen almost no use whatsoever. Decent threads where people could discover new things or learn about each other's tastes in music were deleted as 'spam', despite the fact that they contained less spam than most other threads.

Some action needs to be taken, and fast. I know that a lot of us came here to escape Gearbox as it was gradually overrun by stupidity - jumping ship before it went down, as it were - but without something being done, this site will go exactly the same way, and then where do we go?

[p0lar_bear]

As a first step, some ground rules really need to be laid down, written in PLAIN SIGHT, and enforced as strictly as possible. It has recently occurred to me that we have no rules set in stone; only a warning system that is loosely enforced because the moderators can't view every goddamn post on this forum.

If you ask me, there need to be rules governing what can and can't be discussed here; similar to Gearbox, but MUCH stricter. This would kill some of the flamewars that occur over stupid shit, such as nationality, religion, politics, etc.

[Con]

I agree that things are getting off-track, let's be grateful for what we have at the moment and that we aren't like some of the other sites out there. We've still got the chance to turn things around. If only the admins would take some sort of action. I don't see why we can't have more mods; it's common sense that's required for the job, not experience.

edit:
p0lar brings up a good point; we need some rules that keep out the flaming but let us keep our nice and natural debating. There's a fine line that people can get pushed over quite easily. Right now, nobody's there to stop people from going over it.

[SnaFuBAR]

I agree. Less tending to the masses needs to be done. When someone is just looking for fights, their intent is obviously to dredge for drama. Acting like that can't be tolerated. I've really had enough of people posting without any punctuation what-so-ever, posting hate messages, accusing people of being this or that negative thing and trying to call people out while being the exact definition of what they're "fighting".

People are constantly acting like real incompetent JERKS around here, and nothing is being done about it. Rules are rules, you break them, you bite the dirt. You moderators and admins are so worried about being "fair" you lost sight of what that was a long time ago.

Get your acts together, please, for the sake of YOUR forums.

[Kornman00]

Hey rossmum, how about you take the first step in reform and stop making alts (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=1896) used to just get people fired up?

[Rob Oplawar]

^lol but that was funny!
the problem is the people best suited for being mods are the ones who are least interested in doing it.

hmm, i think part of the problem, maybe all of the problem, is that the mods want people to like them just as much as any other member does. just thinking out loud, but maybe mods should be anonymous, and have alts that they use for regular friendly discussion. you know, keep work and personal life separate.

idk, I've never led a site like this before, so I have exactly 0 experience with this.

[rossmum]

Hey rossmum, how about you take the first step in reform and stop making alts (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=1896) used to just get people fired up?
What?

[Kornman00]

Do I need to provide a quote?

[rossmum]

What quote?

No really, what are you on about?

[n00b1n8R]

..Long-time members, myself included, are allowed to get away with nothing short of blue murder without so much as a slap on the wrist, while not-so-established members are either banned for a mere week for something that warrants at least a month, or are absolutely raped with infractions for one moment of stupidity. Being 'fair' has turned into 'doing the least amount of warning possible to keep the masses happy'...

best part IMO.

now as of this post there are 1,873 members and about what? ghost, fap, timo, zeph, goat.. 5 mods. so that's a ratio of about 374 - 1. wow.

I think some new mods are really called for tbh.

then there needs to be some stronger inforcing of the rules. I remember a while ago ghost or fap or someone said that when H2V came out and we got an influx of newer members people wouldn't be aloud to do crap like use "fuck" anymore. I don't think that that is at all nessicary, but it's certainly time to pull up our socks.

there was a thread the other day where alot of the older members where talking about some crap about doing atty or something, totaly derailing the thread and not a thing was done.

[Jay2645]

OK, the reason for the sudden influx in noobism is because Halomaps is headed to hell. There is a wave of noobism spreading through the Halo community as of late, and they discovered a little site called Halomaps. They downloaded a game called "Halo: Custom Edition", and proceeded to try to get OTHER PEOPLE to make THEIR stuff for them. We tell them to fuck off, essentially, Dennis gives us a warning, and then tells us we HAVE to help them instead of doing something to correct the problem. This was OK, but Halomaps has been overrun by people from Halomods, fleeing the noobism spree as well. These noobs at CE build up with the original noobs, and overrun Halomaps entirely.
Now, the 12 and 13 year olds at Halomaps try to pack up and get away from the sudden influx of noobism. Most of them being CMT fanboys, with the exception of a few, they run to CMT's home: Here, causing trouble for Masterz that resulted in the CMT forums going under lockdown. Of course, a few of the members go here just to get away from the childishness of it all, to name a few of the newer arrivals from Halomaps:
Kirby 422 (Apparently, he's on CMT now)
Teh Ganon
Massacre
Donut

Each day, more and more people from Halomaps flee here, but most of the actual noobs are scared away from the "tough guy" reputation this board has for its flaming. Eventually, the non-flamers will exceed in number then the flamers, the last line of defense will go down, and H2V will fall to the same fate as Halomaps and Halomods before it. GBX is, surprisingly, protected due to the fact that the noobs have never heard of it before.

So the fate of the forums is directly linked to the fate of the forums' flame defense. If the last defense falls, so does the forum.[/rant]

[StankBacon]

wow, i never realized how seriously some people take this forum shit.

anyway, about the comment of "jumping ship" from gearbox, that did nothing except to make gbx a better forum to visit, as all the morons and trolls just came here.

rep is a good percentage of the blame for this forums quick downward spiral of filth..

people see it as a e penis, and nothing more, and people who have a little peewee generally dislike those with large, and vice versa.

rep should be done away with, like it was on gbx, but since that will never happen on this forum, it needs to be made so users cant see other people rep count, it only serves to make people jealous, and if it was hidden, people can still view there precious green bars in there user cp.

and this place need more mods, but not mods who people like, or think they will make a good mod because they are good arguers or other bs like that.

they need to have experience running/moderating a large user-base forum.

anyway, i think im starting to rant a little to much.

meh.

[rossmum]

Rep is only a problem when people make it one. I judge people by attitude and intelligence, not rep.

It's the idiots who come in claiming all manners of rubbish like nonstop rep-circling amongst the big bad site veterans and then go on to abuse the system themselves who are the root of all problems pertaining to rep. I give or take as I see fit.

[StankBacon]

exactly, which is why it should become hidden.

[Dr Nick]

wow, i never realized how seriously some people take this forum shit.

Seriously, a lot of people don't really care much for a social life anymore.

[SnaFuBAR]

Rep isn't the problem, it's just another thing that the immature members worry about and use to try and rile up anger against established members. It's a reward and punishment system that works much like society. Nothing more or less.

[rossmum]

exactly, which is why it should become hidden.
No reason to hide it; generally the ones who bitch about it are troublemakers in general. There you have it, perfect candidates for the detention section.

The whole point of rep is to indicate how respected someone is within the community. Someone with green bars scrolling right across the postbit is usually trustworthy, whereas someone in the red is not. You know you don't want to get involved with those several bars in the red, whereas you probably wouldn't if it was hidden.

[Dr Nick]

Rep isn't the problem, it's just another thing that the immature members worry about and use to try and rile up anger against established members. It's a reward and punishment system that works much like society. Nothing more or less.iawtp.

If anything, rep is like artificial life.

[Kornman00]

You people and your fucking drama. Its the fucking internet for christs sakes. We founded these forums, I don't see why the fuck the admins don't just fine tune it to their liking. Its not like we're trying to hold an image, because if that were the case, NONE of this shit would be taking place right now.
Why, because this site is built for a game? My ass.
The fucking admins have (ignorantly) complained about how much they fucking hate the port! Doesn't matter if that letter is ever finished now anyways jcap.
What real difference does it make, NOTHING will ever happen, NONE of you fucking admins have the fucking BALLS to fucking take any real action. Save Timo. <3 you Timo. Jcap, you should have stopped acting like a bitch and waiting for TheGhost to come back from "real life" and use your fucking powers given to you to govern this place. You already play favorites, so why stop there with users? Take the action these forums need.

Also, Zeph, I hope you realize you wrongfully warned (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6625) Patrick. If you would have paid any fucking attention, you would have noticed I had edited his post to have a picture (http://ubermonkey.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/easter-bunny-porn1.jpg) in a spoiler tag, as a joke. If that gets a warning, then why don't you warn Haruko (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=158) with his posts about bear sex and all that other bullshit? Oh, thats right, because we're playing fair around these forums :downs:

Fuck this place, I have REAL matters to care about than if there is some "idiot" adding text to some internet database for everyone to see.


:downs:

Created (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=1896) this (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=1896) one today with one purpose in mind and one purpose only: baiting Dole into one of his lovely little rants to the point where he winds up banned. Note the Cyrillic name (yes, it actually works; pronounced Chetka - I checked). Note also Dole's irrational hatred of Russians. I don't think any elaboration is required.

If he keeps degrading at his current rate, I'll (with fap's permission) post around a bit acting like someone who's none too good with English (legible, but with obvious mistakes), and wait for the result. It'd help if you guys de-modded Masters or at least blocked him from checking IPs, as I can't be fucked to proxy just to troll one member.

If that doesn't work, we can make him gay/bi, and if that doesn't work, we can make him a staunch believer in sex before marriage. That ought to get him wound up.

The one problem is that Dole, unfortunately, is intelligent. It's a shame his intellect is wasted by his incredible ignorance, but he worked out Berkut was my alt long before Masters or anyone else, even before I started really dropping hints. Thankfully, I suspect it was my posting style and general attitude which did it - something I'll be changing while using Chetka.

Sound like a plan? y/n

[Atty]

Seriously, a lot of people don't really care much for a social life anymore.I live a very healthy social life and still value my internet life. Communities like this become more then just a few random idiots joining together to talk about a game, we all become friends. We talk on aim, we game together, we talk in vent, we come to each other for advice, just like you would with any of your other friends. I don't see why we can't take it seriously and not live a great social life as well.

I value everyone on this forum who I've become friends with and I value what a great place this forum can be, I'd hate to see it fall apart because of some lax moderation due to indecisive administration.

[rossmum]

Hey Masters welcome to the thread

[CN3089]

iawtp.

If anything, rep is like artificial life.

-reppers should be charged with attempted murder imho http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-arghfist.gifhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/374927153_4aae9e7e97_o.gif



e: also, mod corgy http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-c00l.gif

[SnaFuBAR]

I'd hate to see it fall apart because of some lax moderation due to indecisive administration.
Less playing nice, more punishment. Grow some damned balls.

Also, I'd like to say that mods should be able to warn a post instead of "unapprove" them. What a ridiculous boundary to have. They're here to moderate... LET THEM. Everyone can already report posts, so what good is an "unapprove" feature?

[Dr Nick]

-reppers should be charged with attempted murder imho http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-arghfist.gifhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/374927153_4aae9e7e97_o.gifIf you get -repped, then you either pissed someone off, or someone's pissing everyone off.

[Kornman00]

Hey Masters welcome to the thread
is that the best you got you fucking :downs: kangaroo?

[StankBacon]

Someone with green bars scrolling right across the postbit is usually trustworthy,


how many of your posts that you got repped for were genuinely helpful, to a serious post.

how many of them were for putting someone in there place with a long drawn out rant about grammar and other insults, that other people found comical, so they repped you.

trustworthy? i dont know where you got that.

funny how the people with the high rep defend it so blindly.

[Jay2645]

If you get -repped, then you either pissed someone off, or someone's pissing everyone off.
Umm... Heh heh. I know how that feels. I remember when I seriously fucked up a while back, been on the march back uphill again. Here's a pic of my older foolishness.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4297/higwx3.png
That's AFTER I attempted to clean it up by deleting most of my posts.

But Mods aren't above unjust infractions, I was clearly kidding when I received this:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/5033/hig1vh1.png
*CoughCough*Timo*CoughCough*

[Dr Nick]

Ouch!

[n00b1n8R]

exactly, which is why it should become hidden.
or the people who bitch about it should be banned.

[SnaFuBAR]

No, their posts about it for the sake of starting drama should be warned, and if they do it enough, they should get laid out for it.

[rossmum]

is that the best you got you fucking :downs: kangaroo?
Why should I even bother? You've made you poi- wait, no you haven't; what was the point of that, precisely? Other than trying to be an e-crusader and expose the terrible web of lies and deceit behind this site? :tinfoil:


funny how the people with the high rep defend it so blindly.
Uh, what? I actually don't give a shit about how much rep I have. I don't remember nor care where I got most of it, and nor could I care if it was reset for whatever reason. I'm just stating the truth, and that is that only those who don't have the faintest idea what's causing the problems on this site blame rep - and as a result, they become the cause of a lot of problems.

Funny how the vast majority of the ones who do think it's 'corrupt' or 'the root of all evil' or '' are the ones with low or negative rep, with [I]very few exceptions.

[Timo]

Umm... Heh heh. I know how that feels. I remember when I seriously fucked up a while back, been on the march back uphill again. Here's a pic of my older foolishness.
<snip>
That's AFTER I attempted to clean it up by deleting most of my posts.

But Mods aren't above unjust infractions, I was clearly kidding when I received this:
<snip>
*CoughCough*Timo*CoughCough*
Sorry, but it's too hard to differentiate between posts that a serious, hinting towards or being sarcastic about getting pirated stuff :\. How was I supposed to know if you were just kidding or hinting about seriously getting it to them :|? In my opinion all talk on piracy, jokingly or not, shouldn't be allowed on the forums.

[SnaFuBAR]

Rep is not the problem. It's NEVER the problem. The ONLY problems with this site are A) lackadaisical administration B) lackadaisical moderation C) immature/illogical members D) extremely offensive members

Fix these, cure the community.

[n00b1n8R]

THIS IS THE CANCER THAT IS KILLING /B/ H2V

also :X

[rossmum]

It's [strike], not [s].

[p0lar_bear]

funny how the people with the high rep defend it so blindly.Funny how the people with the low rep bitch about it incessantly.

If you really don't care, dip into your User CP and hide your reputation level from the world, simply don't alter anyone's reputation, and ignore any + or - you recieve.

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Jcap, and I mean "JCAP", NOT "GHOST AND JCAP", needs to shut the forums down for a day or two, recruit new moderators, and clean this fucking shithole in terms of both users and topics/posts. The whole point of this forum having two administrators is so one can take over in the event one cannot maintain the site.

---

And Jcap, I have a bone to pick: so far, all you've done is avoid making any decisions by saying "I'm waiting on Ghost." If something NEEDS to be done to keep this site in good repair, just fucking do it. I, along with many others, have submitted our ideas as to making the site better, and all we get is a "oh, that's awesome, I'll look into it," followed by a "I need to talk to Ghost about it," followed by dead silence. Forget about Ghost, he's off doing his own thing for now. The fact that he's footing the bill isn't an excuse for having no decisive power. In fact, it should be INCENTIVE for you to step in and do your job as co-administrator so he doesn't come back, see a shithole, and then decide that he's wasting his money on a site that's just a fucking shithole.

[rossmum]

^^ Best post in thread

[SnaFuBAR]

iaw polar

[n00b1n8R]

internets to polar.

[Bodzilla]

we need more mods. but sadly the only people i'd consider worthy and who i would expect to do a decent job dont want it.

Ross, Snaf and P0lar.

Help Jcap help you.

[n00b1n8R]

Patrick would make an awesome mod tbqh. so would polar and ross. snaf would make a good mod in the tech talk and modeling related areas. Korn would be good in the CE and h2v areas. somebody who is trustworthy and has beat H3 would be good in that section so zeph doesn't have to ruin his pretty little head about spoilers. Teekie perhaps for that job?

[Tweek]

solution: make me an anti-idiot-mod.
with the power to give idiot-infractions.

fear me.. fear me..

[jahrain]

I think we need mods who aren't really strongly tied to the community (therefore having little bias or a buddy system with other members), yet however are responsible and trustworthy. Having a "lets make the most popular members mods" system won't work out for the better.

[Tweek]

well i generally don't give a shit about anything or anyone for that matter.

and if i do give a shit, it's usually negative feelings, so everyone is equal to me. if snaf is being an idiot, ill GLADLY take the opportunity to rip into him, or anyone else for that matter. ;)

[DaneO'Roo]

You all keep saying "no people with lots of rep are the problem"

then the others say "no you don't have rep therefore your the problem"

Now, I dunno about you guys, but It seems that the rep system is causing problems. The problem being, the very argument of rep itself.

Eliminate rep, and all is well. Hierarchal systems shouldn't be judged by how many green bars of shit you have, or how few.

If someone is awesome, everyone will know it. If someone is a complete asshole, everyone will know it. People with red rep could have gotten it for no reason at all, and thus are looked down upon. These people then, as said previously, look up in hate at the green repped giants.

Let the users actions themselves in the community heighten or lower their rep, not by bars, but by genuine respect.


If you think rep doesn't cause problems, your neglecting the very fact that we are even having this fucking discussion.

[n00b1n8R]

I think we need mods who aren't really strongly tied to the community (therefore having little bias or a buddy system with other members), yet however are responsible and trustworthy. Having a "lets make the most popular members mods" system won't work out for the better.

Patrick.

[n00b1n8R]

B-B-B-B-B-B-B-BREAKDOWN

You all keep saying "no people with lots of rep are the problem"

then the others say "no you don't have rep therefore your the problem"

way to contradict :downs:
if by "you all", you mean "all the people with little rep" then no, they arn't "all" doing it. some are and their creating a bad name for the rest of them. and for that matter, who are "they"? where do you draw the line between not much and heaps (and a middle ground if you like). I don't have a massive amount of rep but I think the system is fine.


Now, I dunno about you guys, but It seems that the rep system is causing problems. The problem being, the very argument of rep itself.
so ignore those who winge about it :/


Eliminate rep, and all is well. Hierarchal systems shouldn't be judged by how many green bars of shit you have, or how few.

what hierarchal system? :S


If someone is awesome, everyone will know it. If someone is a complete asshole, everyone will know it. People with red rep could have gotten it for no reason at all, and thus are looked down upon. These people then, as said previously, look up in hate at the green repped giants.

how will "everyone" know it? there will be new members who won't have a clue about how the community fits together. I was one of these people, fresh out of the halomaps forums and didn't have a clue how the community fit it's self together. everyone was pretending to be gay with everyone else but then saying how they weren't gay. there where inside jokes like ross posting and atty's attyness (which I still havn't figured out >.>). the rep numbers gave me an idea of where people fitted in.


Let the users actions themselves in the community heighten or lower their rep, not by bars, but by genuine respect.

people who've been around long enough to know the community like you or I would find that fine. again, when i was starting here I had no idea what people where doing and rep gave me an idea (people with lower rep but who (from the few posts i'd seen) made good posts where just posters and didnd't really contribute in terms of models, skins, maps etc). you can still see that now. the only reall exception to the rule is atty.


If you think rep doesn't cause problems, your neglecting the very fact that we are even having this fucking discussion.
If you object so strongly to the rep system, why don't you go and dissable your own?

besides, rep isn't the point of this thread (and here we are getting offtopic again.)

[rossmum]

Dane, you're missing the point entirely. If someone's bitching about rep, it's typically because they don't have much. As far as I'm concerned, that should be warnable. The system is fine unless it's abused, and the only ones abusing it are the kids who cry about not having any, but then go and spam everyone else with - as well. Those sorts of members shouldn't even be here.

Also, stop asking for me to be a mod, I'm serious. I don't know what the fuck you guys are expecting, but I can tell you right now that if I was given mod powers, half the site's userbase would've been gone long ago. I come down equally hard on everyone, but the long-time members generally don't fuck up. I wouldn't be biased, I'd just be far too strict.

[bitterbanana]

I think all these problems are a result of the limitations of "text" as a serious social medium. Anyone feel me?

[rossmum]

Yeah.

Can't bitch at someone for not typing legibly if you're talking to them.

[Pooky]

I'm sick of certain people constantly bitch-whinging about Metroid even though he stopped trolling long ago.
:3

I agree that things are getting off-track, let's be grateful for what we have at the moment and that we aren't like some of the other sites out there.
I agree, this is still one of my favorite forum sites to go to... not like it's halomods or something <_<

Hey rossmum, how about you take the first step in reform and stop making alts (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=1896) used to just get people fired up?
At least that made a very valid point, which is only being expanded on here.

then there needs to be some stronger inforcing of the rules... there was a thread the other day where alot of the older members where talking about some crap about doing atty or something, totaly derailing the thread and not a thing was done.
The rules don't apply to "established members" here, don't you know that?

wow, i never realized how seriously some people take this forum shit.
Foruming is pretty much a hobby for me, like gaming. Wouldn't you be ticked if all your games were suddenly raped by an influx of fail?

You already play favorites, so why stop there with users? Take the action these forums need.

Also, Zeph, I hope you realize you wrongfully warned (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6625) Patrick. If you would have paid any fucking attention, you would have noticed I had edited his post to have a picture (http://ubermonkey.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/easter-bunny-porn1.jpg) in a spoiler tag, as a joke. If that gets a warning, then why don't you warn InnerGoat Haruko (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=158) with his posts about bear sex and all that other bullshit? Oh, thats right, because we're playing fair around these forums :downs:
That's the kind of views we need in a mod...

Oh wait wasn't I bitching about that before anyone else but no one payed any attention?

how many of your posts that you got repped for were genuinely helpful, to a serious post.
Have to agree with this, rep is more of a measure of how funny you are than anything else, but I've personally repped a lot of people (most notably CAD) for being helpful.

internets to polar.
^

e:
I think we need mods who aren't really strongly tied to the community (therefore having little bias or a buddy system with other members)

hi.

[n00b1n8R]

I think you still have a way to go before most of the community will accept you as a mod.

I think all these problems are a result of the limitations of "text" as a serious social medium. Anyone feel me?

Very. it's hard to tell when somebody is being sarcastic or joking about serious subjects.
but I still <3 you pookay

[Pooky]

I think you still have a way to go before most of the community will accept you as a mod.

Probably, but their arguments are silly when they've got someone who wants to do it and is quite capable of doing it.

[Reaper Man]

we need more mods. but sadly the only people i'd consider worthy and who i would expect to do a decent job dont want it.

Ross, Snaf and P0lar.

Help Jcap help you.
:saddowns:

[Tweek]

ME for Mod, and i promise to go rampant, and clean this up.

not that'im powerhungry, i usually am, but not in this case, i feel i can really fix stuff here.

also for being accepted as a mod. the fact someone IS a mod means enough, that person doesnt need acceptance for being a moderator. he mods, therefore he is.

i suggest a new type of moderator.
a cleanup-moderator. a mod that can hand out minor infractions, in far greater numbers.
like ross said in the first post, to those psople being idiots about things.


As a result, even the attempts at intelligent discussion get driven into the mud by idiotic bickering over the most petty of details, and the few threads that the mods actually bother to lock are locked about 30-odd pages after they went off the rails.

[FlyingStone]

To what end will this bring us simply "talking" about it? Simply put we are waiting for Jcap to do things that need to be done. Yet he is waiting for Ghost. So we are all, 'waiting'. Instead of bickering, complaining, and ranting (no offense Ross) is there something that we can do?
Now i am going to start thinking out loud :)

I mainly read what others post and for the most part agree with what everyone else is saying, like in this case. Therefore there is not a reason to state my opinion, because everyone else is stating it for me.
I wouldn't mind if we got some more mods, cleaned out the user list, start making rules in stone, and most importantly keep setting the example we are trying to set. For example, Proper grammar, spelling, punctuation and most staying on-topic. These are not hard things to do, i mean setting the example, most of the members who have been here a while know that and keep doing it.

Maybe instead of putting in Mods, why not put in Rossmum, but not as in a mod perhaps a cleaner of the member list.
Lets face it, there are many on there who are not active, or who just came here for CMT, and then never return. I know how much you hate the idea of becoming a mod Ross, so why not demote it down to something easier. Why not instead of putting in mods, put in workers. I mean put in some trust worthy members who can do little things. Delete old topics, clean the members list, remove bad posts, so on and so forth. I am sure there a little things we could do if given the opportunity.

But what is all boils down to is the fact that we would have to wait on Jcap to do it something. He seems hesitant to do anything without The Ghost as some are saying.
We can talk, but i think that is as far as we can go.

-F.S

[rossmum]

The thing is, the moment I'm given the power to delete posts or ban members, you can pretty much guarantee someone will cry abuse. I don't discriminate at all, and that extends to new members just as much as old members. You fuck up, you'd be banned before you'd even left the thread after posting. I don't want to be a mod because I know I'd take it too far.

[FlyingStone]

Someone else then. But i agree with you Ross, at least your honest enough to say that you could take it to far. I wish we could get some acknowledgment that Jcap is reading this or even hearing us out.
-F.S

[Tweek]

The thing is, the moment I'm given the power to delete posts or ban members, you can pretty much guarantee someone will cry abuse. I don't discriminate at all, and that extends to new members just as much as old members. You fuck up, you'd be banned before you'd even left the thread after posting. I don't want to be a mod because I know I'd take it too far.

be like me, don't care.
if a warning is wrongly give, then the person who received it can send a PM, and if 'he's right, remove the warning, simple as that.

[rossmum]

Someone else then. But i agree with you Ross, at least your honest enough to say that you could take it to far. I wish we could get some acknowledgment that Jcap is reading this or even hearing us out.
-F.S
Well, I told him this earlier (not as elaborately, mind you), and he told me I may as well post it here in full. So I did. A lot of us more senior members have been pestering the hell out of him about it for weeks.

[Texrat]

Rep isn't the problem, it's just another thing that the immature members worry about and use to try and rile up anger against established members. It's a reward and punishment system that works much like society. Nothing more or less.

Agreed.

There's going to be abuse of ANY system... so the rational approach is to weigh the pros and cons and decide what makes the most sense in the long term. To that extent, rep has more power for good than bad. It's a community's most powerful tool for policing itself. The abuses will be weeded out over time IF the more responsible members step up to the plate.

Micromanagement won't be a solution, either, especially if it's combined with leniency for habitual troublemakers (see: gbxforums). Just gotta apply some common sense...

[Bodzilla]

:saddowns:
i'm too distracted by your boobs to notice your post :gonk:

i still love your boobs you tho babe. dont feel too bad.
<3?

[FRain]

Rep is only a problem when people make it one. I judge people by attitude and intelligence, not rep.

It's the idiots who come in claiming all manners of rubbish like nonstop rep-circling amongst the big bad site veterans and then go on to abuse the system themselves who are the root of all problems pertaining to rep. I give or take as I see fit.


We should get rid of rep and get the old star system from early GBX when it was first created.


You all keep saying "no people with lots of rep are the problem"

then the others say "no you don't have rep therefore your the problem"

Now, I dunno about you guys, but It seems that the rep system is causing problems. The problem being, the very argument of rep itself.

Eliminate rep, and all is well. Hierarchal systems shouldn't be judged by how many green bars of shit you have, or how few.

If someone is awesome, everyone will know it. If someone is a complete asshole, everyone will know it. People with red rep could have gotten it for no reason at all, and thus are looked down upon. These people then, as said previously, look up in hate at the green repped giants.

Let the users actions themselves in the community heighten or lower their rep, not by bars, but by genuine respect.


If you think rep doesn't cause problems, your neglecting the very fact that we are even having this fucking discussion.

Agreed. Rep needs to go, and fast. Remember I had -rep for a while when I improved and people (especially masters) STILL looked down on me. Now I have green rep (thanks to rossmum's +14 rep beam) and I :) with that. But seriously, I got some really retarted -reps for making one silly little mistake (IAWTP) from Korny. The rep system gets majorly abused, and, like I said, needs to go, and if it goes, it needs to go, fast.


If you want to keep anything REMOTELY close to rep you need to bring back the old star system from GBX ages ago.

[Reaper Man]

i'm too distracted by your boobs to notice your post :gonk:

i still love your boobs you tho babe. dont feel too bad.
<3?
</3 :smith:

[Kornman00]

And when semen pours all over your head, you know you must be dead

http://secondnegative.com/images/skeletor.jpg

[Texrat]

I love it when the system is blamed for the abuse. :rolleyes:

[FRain]

Yay for seamen!

[DaneO'Roo]

noob, when I said "you all" I fucking meant the people in the thread complaining about rep.

Bottom line, if rep causes arguments, if it causes shit, which it is, it needs to go. So what if the people without rep bitch. They're going to aren't they.

If rep WERE to be kept however, it should only be distributed by mods and taken away by mods.

[FRain]

^ An excellent idea Mr. Dano, but then the mods would abuse it. (lawl +40000 rep, lawl -999999999 rep)

[Texrat]

I am sooo tempted to dispense some -rep right now...

[SnaFuBAR]

noob, when I said "you all" I fucking meant the people in the thread complaining about rep.

Bottom line, if rep causes arguments, if it causes shit, which it is, it needs to go. So what if the people without rep bitch. They're going to aren't they.

If rep WERE to be kept however, it should only be distributed by mods and taken away by mods.

Dano, you are so fucking clueless. Rep doesn't cause problems. PEOPLE DO.

Pencils don't misspell words.
Guns don't kill people.
Spoons don't make people fat.
Fires don't start themselves.
and REP DOESN'T CREATE PROBLEMS.


PEOPLE. FUCKING. DO. So please get that through your thick skull, Dano.

[rossmum]

Fuck the rep system, what really needs to go is the fucking infraction system. It has more loopholes than a cheese grater, and it'd take ages to eliminate them all... and then more would pop up. Aside from that, it has no less potential for abuse than normal moderation.

[Texrat]

I'm with Snaf. Oops, just realized-- to fix the real problem, the PEOPLE need to go. :mysterysolved:

[Caboose O'Malley]

I'm with Snaf. Oops, just realized-- to fix the real problem, the PEOPLE need to go. :mysterysolved:
Yay, let's kill all the people in the universe! That's a thought...
:party:

[Kornman00]

Yay, let's kill all the people in the universe!

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[rossmum]

<3 km, thread is now epic

(also I've been here for more than a year so that wasn't spam :downs:)

[DaneO'Roo]

I don't care if you guys don't see my point. My point was - the rep system is useless, and we can all function perfectly fine without it. Just look at gearbox. You guys don't need it. You say yourselves that if you had no rep you wouldn't care, yet you care enough to whine about it staying?

Yes people are to blame, but people are what make up this forum, and you can't keep a system that holds them apart, regardless of their opinions. You have to accommodate for everyone. Especially if it's something as useless as rep. We should all be on the same level, and let our actions determine to people who are worth trusting.

When noobs see members with green boxes, they don't think:

"oh wow they must be highly respected, therefore i shall respect them and take whatever advice they dish out!"

which is the whole "purpose" of rep.

What they think is:

"awww how come they have all those green bars. I want heaps of green bars too. They've got something I don't have, and I want it."

thus conflict immediately sets in.

It doesn't separate the stupid people from the respectable, it separates all the people as a whole with the need to have something.

THAT is why newer members are so defensive about the lack of rep. It gets so fucking hyped up on this forum, they feel like a loser if they're not getting any. Then they start exploiting the rep and just senselessly repping people left right and center.

It just doesn't fucking work.

Well, whatever, I'm out of this thread. After arguing about arguing about rep I feel like a martyr and it's doing my head in trying to argue something that even pisses me off.

[rossmum]

You say we should let peoples' actions define their reputation, yes? Well isn't that exactly what the rep system is for? If you say something people like, whether it's funny, helpful, or insightful, you'll get +. If you act like a dick, you'll get -. Those who instantly bitch and whine because they want a load of green bars too are dicks and should not be allowed here to begin with. Any halfway-decent new member will realise they need to earn those bars, and will set about doing so. In essence, you and all the other people saying the rep system is the problem or is useless are pretty much talking a whole load of crap. You just argued against it citing the very reason it exists, which tells me there isn't much strength behind the argument at all.

Those who beg for rep, needlessly spam it out to other members, harass other members for no reason at all or simply blame the system for their own abuse need to be removed, not the system itself.

[Caboose O'Malley]

I like bars; chocolate bars, candy bars, bars where you can hang out etc...
But I haven't fully grasped the idea behind this rep bar and why people so want a long green bar under their name. :iiam: - to me.
BTW I forget, was this topic originally about rep? Or was it just so that we could all rant?

[Texrat]

You say we should let peoples' actions define their reputation, yes? Well isn't that exactly what the rep system is for? If you say something people like, whether it's funny, helpful, or insightful, you'll get +. If you act like a dick, you'll get -. Those who instantly bitch and whine because they want a load of green bars too are dicks and should not be allowed here to begin with. Any halfway-decent new member will realise they need to earn those bars, and will set about doing so. In essence, you and all the other people saying the rep system is the problem or is useless are pretty much talking a whole load of crap. You just argued against it citing the very reason it exists, which tells me there isn't much strength behind the argument at all.

Those who beg for rep, needlessly spam it out to other members, harass other members for no reason at all or simply blame the system for their own abuse need to be removed, not the system itself.

^ winning post, ergo /thread

[Dr Nick]

THE PROBLEM IS THE MODERATION.

The rep system is fine, we give and take freely, but we treat this place like a second home, and don't go to extremes to mess with it.

What we need is more moderators, so that the people who do go overboard and give out wads of +rep or -rep get warned/removed properly.

But, I have low rep!? How could this be!? Dano says I should be bitching about how we need to get rid of the rep system!?
http://users.wpi.edu/&#37;7Ebbrom/images/I_divided_by_zero.jpg
OHSHI-

E: I should say it's more than the reputation, it's the posts, the spam, flaming, etc...

[rossmum]

snip

[Dr Nick]

Sorry, there's so much flaming going on in this thread that I got confused with who said what and why they said it. I'll fix that.

[rossmum]

Thanks.

[X3RO SHIF7]

drama queens, its a forum, its here to talk about stuff which we do - alot - theres always bound to be "noobs", it happens but crying about it only screws things up worse, this needs a lock IMO. And flaws in moderation are bound to happen seeing as we are all human, nobody is perfect.

[Emmzee]

fap told me to put this into a thread, so here you go.

This forum has been going downhill for months. It started with CMT and even now they're 'gone', the filth they left is still here. I'm sick of seeing threads spammed to hell or turned into flamewars because of moronic fanboys and wannabe internet crusaders thinking some sod needs 'saving' from the 'cruel and horrible flamers' who are just being honest. I'm sick of seeing foul rubbish spouted in any thread about anything that doesn't conform perfectly to somebody and his borderline neo-Nazi, extremist views. I'm sick of certain people constantly bitch-whinging about Metroid even though he stopped trolling long ago. But worst of all, nothing has been done about it at all. Dole was banned for - wait for it - a week, after Dr had the decency to go warn some of his posts (including his little hate-sprees on Russians and homosexuals) which I'd reported at least a month earlier. Timo, Ghost and jfap are almost never on, and Zeph is too busy with college and his little pranks to really do shit. As a result, even the attempts at intelligent discussion get driven into the mud by idiotic bickering over the most petty of details, and the few threads that the mods actually bother to lock are locked about 30-odd pages after they went off the rails.

Quite frankly, I believe this site is in need of a major reform - like the one we had when the new theme was installed, except focusing on cleaning out users rather than threads. Long-time members, myself included, are allowed to get away with nothing short of blue murder without so much as a slap on the wrist, while not-so-established members are either banned for a mere week for something that warrants at least a month, or are absolutely raped with infractions for one moment of stupidity. Being 'fair' has turned into 'doing the least amount of warning possible to keep the masses happy', and even the new detention section set up specifically for repeat offenders so the staff can discuss their situation with them has seen almost no use whatsoever. Decent threads where people could discover new things or learn about each other's tastes in music were deleted as 'spam', despite the fact that they contained less spam than most other threads.

Some action needs to be taken, and fast. I know that a lot of us came here to escape Gearbox as it was gradually overrun by stupidity - jumping ship before it went down, as it were - but without something being done, this site will go exactly the same way, and then where do we go?
Hey now, let's not say anything we can't take back.

But yeah, I agree. The wrong things are being punished for stupid reasons.

[Patrickssj6]

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[Classicthunder]

lol The first step to fixing things would be to get rid of this off topic forum.

I've moderated at Relic for the Homeworld and Homeworld2 modding communities can can promise you nothing ever comes good of off topic forums. They're usually popular and its often very difficult to head off a flaming war with out closing nearly every thread. All in all they distract from purpose of the site, waste the moderators time, and cause the site to become a chat room.

Also the moderators around here are very soft compared to many other places. Everywhere I've been when one moderator had to issue the other a warning the warned moderator would have been relived of moderator status. And infrations such as '"Noob" Posting Fashion' are absolutely ridiculous.

[Emmzee]

lol The first step to fixing things would be to get rid of this off topic forum.
How about we discuss possible solutions, hmm?

[Classicthunder]

I was suggesting an easy beginning to the solution.

[rossmum]

drama queens, its a forum, its here to talk about stuff which we do - alot - theres always bound to be "noobs", it happens but crying about it only screws things up worse, this needs a lock IMO. And flaws in moderation are bound to happen seeing as we are all human, nobody is perfect.
Oh sorry for pointing out that the way the staff are doing absolutely nothing to stop it, I'll be sure to keep my head down next time and not point out that which needs fixing just to avoid any possible drama :rolleyes:


And infrations such as '"Noob" Posting Fashion' are absolutely ridiculous.
Are you on crack? I, for one, like to be able to actually read a post and understand what it's meant to say...


I was suggesting an easy beginning to the solution.
Oh right, let's delete the most popular section of the site, rule out the possibility of discussing anything aside from CE, H2V, H3 and tech, and lose a good portion of the members who only come here for the community! :rolleyes:

Be realistic, please.

[Classicthunder]

Are you on crack? I, for one, like to be able to actually read a post and understand what it's meant to say...

Unbelievably intelligent post, it's amazing wow many people can confuse intelligent thought with being on crack. Methods such as PMing the poster asking him to fix the post and locking it if things get out of hand don't scare people away and are more effective.



Oh right, let's delete the most popular section of the site, rule out the possibility of discussing anything aside from CE, H2V, H3 and tech, and lose a good portion of the members who only come here for the community! :rolleyes:

Be realistic, please.

Is this website about chatting or Halo mapping?

Does it make since for the most popular part of a website to be devoted to casual talk? AIM and many other apps or websites are dedicated to chatting. Members who come here only for the community are the people who cause the most problems and don't contribute anything.

Such free riders and distract people from viewing the forums based upon modding and mapping. Hurting the modding and mapping community and stretching the moderators too thin.

[Dr Nick]

Is this website about chatting or Halo mapping?

Does it make since for the most popular part of a website to be devoted to casual talk? AIM and many other apps or websites are dedicated to chatting. Members who come here only for the community are the people who cause the most problems and don't contribute anything.

Such free riders and distract people from viewing the forums based upon modding and mapping. Hurting the modding and mapping community and stretching the moderators too thin.Ya know, people like to communicate with people they're working with.:)

It helps to relieve tension between them.

[p0lar_bear]

Classic, there are some things that we don't sugarcoat anymore. If someone is posting li3kj a fukkn REETURRD wif no splel chik n punctuatn n LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OMG OLOLROFLCOKS, then we tell them so.

If that's not what you're talking about, and you feel that the whole "type correctly or gtfo" rule is bullshit, then what the fuck. Halo 2 Vista is rated M for Mature (Ages 17+) by the ESRB. That said, it's not asking much for the players in that age range to put their 12+ years of schooling to use and actually type a readable post. If you want to argue that not everyone who plays the game is over 17 years old, then that point is moot; twelve year old kids shouldn't be playing this game. But if they are, and they're good at it, it makes no sense as to why these kids are intelligent enough to go 50-0 in a slayer match, but is somehow not intelligent enough to spell out "you[r/'re]."

Getting rid of offtopic is a bad idea, too. This is a full-blown COMMUNITY WEBSITE that caters to players of Halo Custom Edition, Halo 2 Vista, and Halo 3. A community site is meant to offer a place to discuss topics relevant to its target audiences, yes, but in order to retain a userbase, it has to offer more. O/T is a good place for us h2v.net-ers to go to hear about the latest news, see the latest/funniest videos, etc etc without leaving the site.

[Classicthunder]

Ya know, people like to communicate with people they're working with.:)

It helps to relieve tension between them.

If its not halo related take it to AIM. If its halo related then go ahead and post it. Thats what the little AIM icons are for.


Classic, there are some things that we don't sugarcoat anymore. If someone is posting li3kj a fukkn REETURRD wif no splel chik n punctuatn n LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OMG OLOLROFLCOKS, then we tell them so.

If that's not what you're talking about, and you feel that the whole "type correctly or gtfo" rule is bullshit, then what the fuck. Halo 2 Vista is rated M for Mature (Ages 17+) by the ESRB. That said, it's not asking much for the players in that age range to put their 12+ years of schooling to use and actually type a readable post. If you want to argue that not everyone who plays the game is over 17 years old, then that point is moot; twelve year old kids shouldn't be playing this game. But if they are, and they're good at it, it makes no sense as to why these kids are intelligent enough to go 50-0 in a slayer match, but is somehow not intelligent enough to spell out "you[r/'re]."

Thats fine tell them so, if they fix it end of story, if they don't then lock the topic. Public humiliation is usually a heavy punishment and should be reserved for things worse than bad grammar. I never said it was bullshit I said there are better ways of dealing with it. There are other options beside saying gtfo and ignoring it.

[Dr Nick]

Way to pay attention.

[Classicthunder]

Way to elaborate. That sentence can be taken many ways.

[Rob Oplawar]

The first step to fixing things would be to get rid of this off topic forum.
are you kidding me? I judge by your post count that you haven't been here long. The offtopic forum is this community. Take it away, and I'm gone.

Look, I've taken away my rep. You happy? I don't care one way or the other. Now I can ignore that part of it and agree: we need some more mods. Where the hell is JCap? has he even posted at all in this thread? I didn't see him anywhere. There needs to be less talk and more doing something about this.

[Emmzee]

There are other options beside saying gtfo and ignoring it.
GTFO I'M IGNORING YOU NOW <:mad:>

[Dr Nick]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/nickwarr_182/untitled-3.jpg

[Emmzee]

are you kidding me? I judge by your post count that you haven't been here long. The offtopic forum is this community. Take it away, and I'm gone.

Look, I've taken away my rep. You happy? I don't care one way or the other. Now I can ignore that part of it and agree: we need some more mods. Where the hell is JCap? has he even posted at all in this thread? I didn't see him anywhere. There needs to be less talk and more doing something about this.
More like, where the hell is TheGhost? I haven't seen him in forever.

[Classicthunder]

@Nick
My bad.

@Emmzee
lol

@Rob Oplawar
I've been around for over a year. I've been active since the Gearbox days even though I don't post unless I have something to say. Also I don't care about your rep. However, unless the number of moderators needs to be increased or this board cut. Cutting this board at least temporarily would help a lot.

[Emmzee]

@Nick
My bad.

@Emmzee
lol

@Rob Oplawar
I've been around fordj over a year. I've been active since the Gearbox days even though I don't post unless I have something to say. Also I don't care about your rep. However, unless the number of moderators needs to be increased or this board cut. Cutting this board at least temporarily would help a lot.
You obviously don't give two shits about the community or interaction between users, so why do you even care? You're being a hypocrite here by participating in community discussion, which you happen to hate so much.


over a year
It's December already?

[StankBacon]

Funny how the people with the low rep bitch about it incessantly.

If you really don't care, dip into your User CP and hide your reputation level from the world, simply don't alter anyone's reputation, and ignore any + or - you recieve.


i dont care about my bar/rep level, i just like to see the comments some people make about my posts..... sometimes it provides some much needed lols, so i cant turn it off.

and since you think im bitching about the rep system, im not, im merely pointing out its flaws.... most of which only arise because of the super low maturity level of most of the members on here.


jcap fails as an admin. :XD:

[Emmzee]

On the subject of mods/admins, I usually only see one on at any given time, so I agree that we need a few more.

*looks at Atty and Ross*

[Rosco]

.

[Classicthunder]

It's December already?

I only created this account as Gearbox was dying. Check out my gearbox account.

On the subject of mods/admins, I usually only see one on at any given time, so I agree that we need a few more.

*looks at Atty and Ross*

Appointing some who calls himself a post whore is idiotic. Dont' know Atty that much though, seems to be pretty intelligent and independent though.


You obviously don't give two shits about the community or interaction between users, so why do you even care? You're being a hypocrite here by participating in community discussion, which you happen to hate so much.

I'm trying to suggest some ways to help the web site. Not posting about going to the store and buying cookies. All my posts are all H2Vista related. I have argued about politics on this board but I usually pay attention to the Halo3 board and the H2 vista boards.

I don't know if you heard of the straw-man fallacy but you argument is an excellent example.

[SnaFuBAR]

While your post is a perfect example of hypocrisy. Shut up.

[Archon23]

From the few months I've been here I can probably tell you that ross stopped caring about his post count a while ago. At least thats what I've seen.

But whats some newbie know about anything :downs:

[Pooky]

I don't know if you heard of the straw-man fallacy but you argument is an excellent example.

Everyone stop fucking saying fallacy. This is as bad as when people first discovered the word fail. Extravagantly long words don't make your posts sound any more intelligent.

[Rob Oplawar]

Oh heh, I forgot that it tells you how long someone has been a member right there in front of my face. In that case, I can tell you're a shameless lurker. I don't care how interested you are in reading the topics, if you don't post, imo you don't have a say when it comes to how to manage the threads.

Now look, the Offtopic Forum is pretty much what gives this forum its spice. Without it, save for the Gallery Topic and a few other threads, and if people completely cleaned up their acts, this forum would be nothing but "I have a question: " "here's your answer" "kthxbai". It would be boring. It wouldn't be a community, it would be an online help stop.

At the moment, this forum is doing an ok job of doing the online help thing, but at the same time it manages to have a great community, with lots of friends who like to talk about things not directly related to Halo modding in the off topic forum. Now I understand if you lurkers only want the online help with Halo modding bit, but look here, the people who actually do post with any regularity do care about things other than Halo modding and like to discuss it.

Wow, I suddenly got really defensive of the offtopic forum. I guess people get that way about their homeland.

[PlasbianX]

fap told me to put this into a thread, so here you go.

This forum has been going downhill for months. It started with CMT and even now they're 'gone', the filth they left is still here. I'm sick of seeing threads spammed to hell or turned into flamewars because of moronic fanboys and wannabe internet crusaders thinking some sod needs 'saving' from the 'cruel and horrible flamers' who are just being honest. I'm sick of seeing foul rubbish spouted in any thread about anything that doesn't conform perfectly to somebody and his borderline neo-Nazi, extremist views. I'm sick of certain people constantly bitch-whinging about Metroid even though he stopped trolling long ago. But worst of all, nothing has been done about it at all. Dole was banned for - wait for it - a week, after Dr had the decency to go warn some of his posts (including his little hate-sprees on Russians and homosexuals) which I'd reported at least a month earlier. Timo, Ghost and jfap are almost never on, and Zeph is too busy with college and his little pranks to really do shit. As a result, even the attempts at intelligent discussion get driven into the mud by idiotic bickering over the most petty of details, and the few threads that the mods actually bother to lock are locked about 30-odd pages after they went off the rails.

Quite frankly, I believe this site is in need of a major reform - like the one we had when the new theme was installed, except focusing on cleaning out users rather than threads. Long-time members, myself included, are allowed to get away with nothing short of blue murder without so much as a slap on the wrist, while not-so-established members are either banned for a mere week for something that warrants at least a month, or are absolutely raped with infractions for one moment of stupidity. Being 'fair' has turned into 'doing the least amount of warning possible to keep the masses happy', and even the new detention section set up specifically for repeat offenders so the staff can discuss their situation with them has seen almost no use whatsoever. Decent threads where people could discover new things or learn about each other's tastes in music were deleted as 'spam', despite the fact that they contained less spam than most other threads.

Some action needs to be taken, and fast. I know that a lot of us came here to escape Gearbox as it was gradually overrun by stupidity - jumping ship before it went down, as it were - but without something being done, this site will go exactly the same way, and then where do we go?

I agree. I dont even check out the halo ce / h2v forums anymore. I just wanted my clipboard thread (which was taken away. GG.) and i occasionally glance into the halo 3 forum and the offtopic one for news. But now with the clipboard thread, and the current mods, (zeph, i think you are the worlds BIGGEST ASSFUCK EVER.) I dont even wanna check these out anymore. Ill have more fun reading the Supremel2 forums, and L2guru. Cya around.

[Kornman00]

ross stopped caring about his post count a while ago
:lol:, if only that were true...

[TeeKup]

I only created this account as Gearbox was dying. Check out my gearbox account.


Appointing some who calls himself a post whore is idiotic. Dont' know Atty that much though, seems to be pretty intelligent and independent though.



I'm trying to suggest some ways to help the web site. Not posting about going to the store and buying cookies. All my posts are all H2Vista related. I have argued about politics on this board but I usually pay attention to the Halo3 board and the H2 vista boards.

I don't know if you heard of the straw-man fallacy but you argument is an excellent example.

I would like to congratulate you on such an extremely ignorant post.

I'd like to be a mod, however I don't have much access to this computer as much as I'd like. I don't think I'm biased towards anybody, not recently anyway. However Jcap would never make me one.

[Emmzee]

Appointing some who calls himself a post whore is idiotic.
At least Ross can admit his flaws, unlike, say, you.

[Gamerkd16]

Wow, I actually agree with you on something:


Long-time members, myself included, are allowed to get away with nothing short of blue murder without so much as a slap on the wrist, while not-so-established members are either banned for a mere week for something that warrants at least a month, or are absolutely raped with infractions for one moment of stupidity. Being 'fair' has turned into 'doing the least amount of warning possible to keep the masses happy', and even the new detention section set up specifically for repeat offenders so the staff can discuss their situation with them has seen almost no use whatsoever.

I find it funny though how the top members of these forums have lives and are never here. :lol:

[Stormwing]

tl;dr.

seriously. It's the fuckin internet. It's never fair. There are the totally stupid idiots trolling, the noobtards who think they know everything making loads of flamebait posts, and the veterans who think feel like they can go bossing everyone around.

There can be no equilibrium. Partial internet anonymity brings out the extremes in everyone, and extremes don't work too well with each other. You just have to keep the idiocy and faggotry at bay well enough to keep things smooth. No amount of ranting and arguing can get you anywhere.

To the point: My idea? More unbiased mods plz. Or just keep things the way they are and suck it up and/or ignore the retards. The internet is a sea of stupid, you gotta just deal with it.

[Gamerkd16]

This is my kind of thread! :D

[Bodzilla]

The biggest Problem we seem to be having is: shit posts, bad threads and the time it takes for Admins to react to these.

So why not create a new sublayer of moderating that allows people to deal with just that.

Let me explain.
I believe the system should be based on Appointed members with a long history of Unbiased Critisim and who have been Repped accordingly and are Active.
We put these select people into a Different user group called "Power user's" and give them Limited ability on how the forums are run.
They can lock, edit posts and give out Warns no greater then 2 points. And if the power user's Vote unaminously they have the power to suspend people for a limited amount of time.... and thats all they can do.

That way they cant get out of hand, abuse there powers yet can go a long way to help the tidy up general maintenace.

[Pooky]

The biggest Problem we seem to be having is: shit posts, bad threads and the time it takes for Admins to react to these.

So why not create a new sublayer of moderating that allows people to deal with just that.

Let me explain.
I believe the system should be based on Appointed members with a long history of Unbiased Critisim and who have been Repped accordingly and are Active.
We put these select people into a Different user group called "Power user's" and give them Limited ability on how the forums are run.
They can lock, edit posts and give out Warns no greater then 2 points. And if the power use's Vote unaminously they have the power to suspend people for a limited amount of time.... and thats all they can do.

That way they cant get out of hand, abuse there powers yet can go a long way to help the tidy up general maintenace.
I think that's a really good idea. It could also serve to greatly streamline the selection of new moderators... whoever does really well as a power user.

rep for you >:U

e: http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4518/36251251we2.png

LOL

[Emmzee]

The biggest Problem we seem to be having is: shit posts, bad threads and the time it takes for Admins to react to these.

So why not create a new sublayer of moderating that allows people to deal with just that.

Let me explain.
I believe the system should be based on Appointed members with a long history of Unbiased Critisim and who have been Repped accordingly and are Active.
We put these select people into a Different user group called "Power user's" and give them Limited ability on how the forums are run.
They can lock, edit posts and give out Warns no greater then 2 points. And if the power user's Vote unaminously they have the power to suspend people for a limited amount of time.... and thats all they can do.

That way they cant get out of hand, abuse there powers yet can go a long way to help the tidy up general maintenace.
...no.

[rossmum]

posts
Oh hey I'm glad to see you've been an active member for so long, I mean you clearly understand the ins and outs of this community and exactly what the site needs to improve!

Oh, wait.

Stop being an idiot. Killing OT would kill these forums.


:lol:, if only that were true...
It is, mister. <:mad:>

If I did, Zeph's inbox would be so full of angry PMs it wouldn't even be funny.

[Con]

Warning: Offtopic


http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4518/36251251we2.png

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/3660/capturevc0.png
I want a checkmark on my OK button :smith:

[Texrat]

Themes for the win, mb?

[Pooky]

Warning: Offtopic

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/3660/capturevc0.png
I want a checkmark on my OK button :smith:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1905

This of course only works if you're using firefox... can't really tell from that.

[El Lobo]

Pretty good thread, could use some more flaming, but over all a nice little piece of entertainment. Thanks to all those involved.

[n00b1n8R]

getting offtopic..

[Bodzilla]

Yeah, That Z in my name fucks around with things a little bit :P

At another forum i go to i had that same Z, it was somehow Bouncing my e-mails and making it impossible for people to pm me. Kinda weird so they just removed it :)

also cheers guys ;)

E: dam IM spellingz

[Emmzee]

Pretty good thread, could use some more flaming, but over all a nice little piece of entertainment. Thanks to all those involved.
You're welcome.

[Rosco]

Pretty good thread, could use some more flaming, but over all a nice little piece of entertainment. Thanks to all those involved.

period