ATTN: Which level editor do you use?

[Kornman00]

This really only applies to people who create\edit\model ACTUAL MAPS (not objects).

Need to know for stuffs and things. Please answer the pole.

Note the ability to only select one option. I want to know your MAIN editor.

Note some more: This applies to Halo 2 users too.

EDIT: Update -

Well, since my partner in crime for this project seems to have gone AWOL, I might as well let you guys know the root reason for the survey since I doubt the project will ever be finished now due to CtlAltDestory's experience in maxscript being vital to development.

We were basically working on a cinematics environment for Max (and later on possibly, Maya) that allowed you to do ALL of your cinematics (one or more cutscenes) for a level in Max, then you would export the cinematics scene to a text file which a tool I'm working on would then parse and perform operations to fix your scenario tag with needed data (ie, object placements, camera points, etc) also autogenerate the entire script for all of your cinematic scene and a few other nitty gritty details needed, but the idea is that it's ALL streamlined.
We had tons of things planned for allowing you to define what events took place during one cutscene (besides moving the camera). Things like, starting a sound, changing the position of a device, perform many operations on objects (ie, damanging, killing, etc), the list goes on and on.

The best part of it? Everything was done in one environment: Max. No going back and forth in max and sapien. Not only that, but it would have worked for Halo 2 (xbox\vista) and Stubbs the zombie too (and Halo 3 later on down the road).


But like say, the person who was helping me on the Max end went AWOL and I'm loosing hope in seeing this project accomplished anytime soon since I don't know maxscript and only have Maya :/. When I had this idea way back when, I tried getting TheGhost to halp but hes too busy doing...things >_>.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

Korn is rewriting rewrote the engine...:ssh:

[Disaster]

Seriously. Awesome.

[MNC]

We shall answer kornman's pole.



OHSHI-

[Terin]

3ds Max 9 for pretty much everything.

AND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

[Warningshot3]

max 9 for modeling the level and if The ghosts ass exporter doesnt work i just exprort it all to max 7 then to h2v. max 8 had snap problems so i hate it.

[Sel]

Wax 8, 8 is for anus, and I use 3ds max 8 :o

[Limited]

max 9, although I only use it to mess around with, never any massively serious map making from me.

[LlamaMaster]

Max 8 FTW.

[thehoodedsmack]

Max 8

[Martini-562]

max 8, though most of my maps go cause exception errors when I start them :(

[Kornman00]

Other (specify what it is in a post) http://www.h2vista.net/forums/images/polls/bar5-l.gifhttp://www.h2vista.net/forums/images/polls/bar5.gifhttp://www.h2vista.net/forums/images/polls/bar5-r.gif ima_from_America (http://www.h2vista.net/forums/member.php?u=2023)

Where is your post :cop:

[l SINERGY l]

3ds max 2008 for pretty much everything but I use max 7 when working with h2v.

[legionaire45]

I mainly stick with 8 for my shitty boxmaps but I have 9 as well. I'm playing with XSI Mod tool (http://www.softimage.com/products/modtool/), which is free but I'm still used to Max's interface.

[johnnyblaz20]

I use max 8. I'm sure most/all h2v modelers would use a newer version if there was a better exporter though including me. <--personal opinion.

The Ghost's exporter does not always work for me.

[Ki11a_FTW]

max 8 for all

[adumass]

max 7, but I wish I had 8 instead.

[Con]

Maya 6.0

[Zeph]

I use Max 8 for modeling and Maya 2008 for UV Mapping.

[Syuusuke]

Bahaha

Blender =D
Then I export it into 3ds Max...but geez that's sort of a pain.

[MMFSdjw]

Warningshot3, max 8's snap problems were fixed in a service pack.

[randreach454]

max 2008, but for ce and h2v I usually use 7 if I might have modeled something in 2008

[beele]

I use max 9 for everything :)

[OmegaDragon]

Everything Max 8. Tried using max 9, but preffered Max 8 because I had easier access to reactors and some other functions.

[cheezdue]

i use max 9. but when you flip the box, all the faces turn black which really anoyines me. I wonder if you can do your own gun modeling for h2v like halo ce, that would be very fun to do. Sadly im an amuetur mapper.:fail:

[Warningshot3]

thanks MMFSdjw.

cheezdue that black thing is backface cull, goto preferences, viewports and tick backface cull on object creation.

[Snowy]

Max 9. But sometimes blender

[Mass]

Max 8, only and always.

[il Duce Primo]

Max 8 ftw!

[Tweek]

i'd like to say 8, but had to upgrade, because all character rigs etc for my mod were build in max9

also i hate the fact max9 lost the polygoncounter utility

max 2008 sucks, because they raped the uv editor

[il Duce Primo]

I heard they made uvw unwrapping better because of being able to unwrap more than one object into one template.

[Tweek]

you could always do that.

[DaneO'Roo]

Maya 8 and 3Ds Max 8

[TheGhost]

I voted Max 9, but I have been known to fire up Max 8 for various reasons.

[Btd69]

you could always do that.

Fuck off, I only realized that was possible recently. Wow i'm lazy xD

3DS Max 9, I dislike Maya because it requires me to learn.

[Botolf]

Gmax :<

[Monopoly]

i'd like to say 8, but had to upgrade, because all character rigs etc for my mod were build in max9

also i hate the fact max9 lost the polygoncounter utility

max 2008 sucks, because they raped the uv editor

What, the polygon counter is in Max9 and 08.

[Tweek]

the "UTILITY" isn't in 9

[Btd69]

What did they do to the UV editor in 2008?

[Monopoly]

the "UTILITY" isn't in 9

What's the difference between the utility and the view statistics, they both accomplish the same thing as far as I can remember.

[Neuro Guro]

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[Geo]

Max 8 baby... :cool:

[Anton]

Max 2008, but max 8 for map creation. Due to the plug-ins not being supported in the newer versions.

[Higuy]

I use 3ds8 , but ill be using Maya soon.

[Phopojijo]

Maya 8.0 -- and it's various plugins... contained and/or third party.

[Longshot]

Fuck off, I only realized that was possible recently. Wow i'm lazy xD

3DS Max 9, I dislike Maya because it requires me to learn.

I use Max 9 and I agree.


What's the difference between the utility and the view statistics, they both accomplish the same thing as far as I can remember.

Well I'm still learning, but I saw a screenshot somewhere, I think on the Gearbox forums, where you could add a polygon budget, so you wouldn't go over a certain amount of polys.

[bobbysoon]

usually gmax - loads quick, more cross compatible, usually enough
occasionally 3ds9

[n00b1n8R]

Gmax because I'm not going to pirate 3DS like most of the people here who have it.

[Kalub]

Nobody does that anymore, I just steal it from my school.

[Reaper Man]

Maya 7

[Kornman00]

Gmax because I'm not going to pirate 3DS like most of the people here who have it.
:prooforstfu:

[n00b1n8R]

OHSHIT THE INTERNET MAFIA IS AFTER ME :tinfoil:

[thehoodedsmack]

OHSHIT THE INTERNET MAFIA IS AFTER ME :tinfoil:

http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/TopFilms/Godfather/Godfather15.jpg

Never go against the family, n00b.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I mostly use max 7, and max 8 some,
I use max 8 for messing around with animations/fp anims just for fun :O
I would prolly use max 8 more if my gen didnt give me spyware, and i still had it :S

[demonmaster3k]

hooded, put that in spoilers b4 ghost gets his banhammer out

and gmax with PLE FTW (PLS is more powerful than gmax, gmax is for exporting into halo's engine) they're both free and it's better than piracy.

[Kornman00]

Mmmm, almost a hundred p0lars, excellent :-3

[Warningshot3]

so you going to tell us why you need this info about us?

[Kornman00]

wtf, someone hacked my account, I haven't been able to access h2v for 3 days, whats going on in here :confused:

[CrAsHOvErRide]

my bad...

[thehoodedsmack]

wtf, someone hacked my account, I haven't been able to access h2v for 3 days, whats going on in here :confused:

IT'S A TRAP!

[Warningshot3]

theres only one way out:suicide:

[E3pO]

Max 8

[Sever]

Gmax cuz i has morals but is po'.

Yo.

[bobbysoon]

Yeah, some people have no morals, ruthlessly making custom content and sharing it, for free, with no regard for the suffering inflicted upon software corporations. Oh, the humanity! :eyesroll:

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Yeah they are definitely gonna be pissed cuz, ye no, its not like they have millions of dollars or anything.

[teh lag]

I really don't see this train of discussion being good for a topic that could result in ye kornman giving us stuff :\

Also, 3DS 8.

[Phopojijo]

http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/TopFilms/Godfather/Godfather15.jpg

Never go against the family, n00b.He even has the lolcat...

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

*Curiously views this topic in waiting for whats gonna happen :O

[ima_from_America]

IT'S A TRAP!
We have no choice General! Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!

[Warningshot3]

i think its a conspiracy. :tinfoil:

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

i think its a conspiracy. :tinfoil:

Thats what she said when she was invited to GGW....

[bobbysoon]

:( 3ds8 is winning. We gotta pay someone off in the polls, gmax/3ds9 peoples...

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

lolwut?
I dont like max 9 of gmax,
Gmax gives me herpes...

[jngrow]

May I ask what this poll is for?

[BobtheGreatII]

May I ask what this poll is for?
No. :tinfoil:

[Botolf]

:prooforstfu:
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2025/wutwutof6.jpg

[Lateksi]

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2025/wutwutof6.jpg
lol that's nice.
I uhmm... GOT Max9 a week ago.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Ive had to go and do the trials multiple times...

[OmegaDragon]

I can smell it a mile away, KM00 is up to something epic.

[MNC]

Let's hope he is. What if it's another cookies psbl

THAT WASNT EPIC AT ALL

[Kornman00]

says you :cop:

[Geo]

I want to know what this is for. :mad: Tell us km00

[Kornman00]

n u

[Vicky]

I want to know what this is for. :mad: Tell us km00

Yeah i'd like to know too... :beating:

[Warningshot3]

i know one way to make the man talk. :beating:

[Sever]

I really don't care, I'm just here to beat someone. :beating:

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Can I help with that?

[cheezdue]

i want in to....:beating:

[Vicky]

Copycats :f5:

[LlamaMaster]

I'm just here for the bandwagon. :beating:

[Jay2645]

Max 8 for me.

[Warningshot3]

expect me to take it up a notch

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7981/smiliemurderqx4.gif

cmon kornman tell us.

[paintballakid5]

MAX9 i wish i had Max8 :(

[t3h m00kz]

I've never modeled or animated a level in my life... most I ever did was try to make a Buster Sword. I used Max 8 for it so... there you go.

[Lateksi]

Can someone tell me why they want version 8 instead of 9? Why prefer the older one? I just want to know because I just started using Max9 and it is already giving me memory errors when I start the program! I want to know which one is better for map making, stable and such.

[il Duce Primo]

I only use max 8 because that is what the community mainly uses. As you can see proven above.

[Apoc4lypse]

Max 8 because it loads faster and more simplistic. Plus max 9 doesnt wierd stuff to my geometry when I'm not looking, and what I mean by not looking I mean changing modifiers. My edges always have strange things going on in that program when ever I used edit mesh, which I use for its simplicity, poly for more complicated tools tho... so I go back and fourth, and max 9 doesn't like this or something idk.. stop asking me questions wah...

3ds max 8.. plus max 9 does something weird with smoothing groups to me also, max 9 hates me :(

oh yea..
Can someone tell me why they want version 8 instead of 9? Why prefer the older one? I just want to know because I just started using Max9 and it is already giving me memory errors when I start the program! I want to know which one is better for map making, stable and such. read what I said... ; P memory errors are probably coming from max 9 being like 2 times the size of max 8... 3ds max has like more then tripled its size since max 7, and I'm not sure I get why. The only new tool in any of them I ever used was the uv mapping tools they added.

[ILEGALLcheatsMAN]

Max 8,

I'm surprised gmax has even 6 percent, I mean, gmax is to 3ds max 8
as a windows 95 is to an xp/vista.

[LlamaMaster]

Max 8,

I'm surprised gmax has even 6 percent, I mean, gmax is to 3ds max 8
as a windows 95 is to an xp/vista.
Agreed. I used Gmax for a tiny bit, and it was just terrible. Completely unacceptable compared to 3ds max.

[chicane]

I use max 8, but I really just use it for animations and failed attempts at models.

[MMFSdjw]

Agreed. I used Gmax for a tiny bit, and it was just terrible. Completely unacceptable compared to 3ds max.

Gmax's only redeaming feature is that it's free. And, really, that is a pretty big feature, especialy considering the retail cost of max.

[Kornman00]

Bungie and many other wise developers keep quiet on their projects until a certain time for a reason.

We're no different.

Yeah, that's all you'll get until its time http://kornnersoftware.com/trillian/mono.gif

[bobbysoon]

Fair enough.

Another great thing about gmax is it loads in less than 10 seconds for me, which is probably less than 5 seconds for most others.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I like max 8 and 7 for the following reasons

Loads fast
Not huge in filesize
Doesnt crash often
Huge compatibility
Isnt Ovverated
Great for new people and advanced people
High powered
Not as costly
and just plain cool :)

Also, does anyone happen to have a link to a 3ds 8 trial?

[Higuy]

Yes.
http://files.h2vista.net/software/3dsmax/3dsmax8.zip

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Thanks :)
Ide +rep you, but it wont do anything :S

[Lightning]

:beating:

Max9/DE

[Hunter]

3ds max 8.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Max 8 ftw :awesome:

[Limited]

I could have sworn Gmax wasnt free, at least I mean it wasnt being distributed any more, meaning installing it now is illegal.

[n00b1n8R]

wrong.
www.turbosquid.com/gmax

[Botolf]

Not only that, but who would want to download gmax illegally? :lol:

[Monopoly]

How do you download a free program illegally :confused2:

[n00b1n8R]

sometimes there are liscence agreements you have to agree to.

[Kornman00]

so lets agree to disagree :downs:

[n00b1n8R]

only if you tell us what's going on :awesome:

[Bodzilla]

he doesnt remember, remember?

someone hacked his account :v

[El Lobo]

Where is the option to choose SparkEdit?

[Sever]

You choose the option 'Other' and say which one you use in your post.

[Lightning]

Sarcasm, sever323.

[Con]

more love for maya? :(

[Kornman00]

All I has iz maya 7.0 yah

[bobbysoon]

Looks like a little over 50&#37; of us are gonna have to switch to 3ds8 if they want cookies
I'm curious how these are mutually exclusive

[Kornman00]

More than likely you'd probably need 7 or later, but I really don't want to leave Maya users in the dark, but a certain someone has failed to talk to me...

I guess I may have to learn Maya's SDK :o. Wouldn't look bad on the resume though :eng101:

[supersniper]

Just stared to model last weekend. Max 9 for me.

[Con]

More than likely you'd probably need 7 or later, but I really don't want to leave Maya users in the dark, but a certain someone has failed to talk to me...

I guess I may have to learn Maya's SDK :o. Wouldn't look bad on the resume though :eng101:
all mayas can use MEL (Maya Embedded Language) which you can write scripts with and stuff. Anything you write would be compatible with most mayas I bet.

[soloblast]

You seriously rewrote the whole (bloody, convoluted mess which is an excuse for an) engine? That's... fantastic. What the hell, words fail me.

I just hope Microsoft doesn't get wind of this and spark off WW3, like they did with the C&C generals Halo mod which clashed with Halo Wars' announcement...

Good luck with whatever it is you're doing now. I'm no modder / mapper, but this is still great news for everybody.

Damn... now I'm going to have to go out and buy Halo 2 for Vista. Hopefully that old mod which lets you run it on XP still works... and the last time I checked, it was retailing for about $55 plus over here (Singapore). Please, oh please, let the price have gone down...

[Choking Victim]

You seriously rewrote the whole (bloody, convoluted mess which is an excuse for an) engine? That's... fantastic. What the hell, words fail me.

I just hope Microsoft doesn't get wind of this and spark off WW3, like they did with the C&C generals Halo mod which clashed with Halo Wars' announcement...

Good luck with whatever it is you're doing now. I'm no modder / mapper, but this is still great news for everybody.

Damn... now I'm going to have to go out and buy Halo 2 for Vista. Hopefully that old mod which lets you run it on XP still works... and the last time I checked, it was retailing for about $55 plus over here (Singapore). Please, oh please, let the price have gone down...
When did kornman himself say that he recoded the engine? That was just an exaggerated assumption made by someone uninvolved in the project. We don't know what he's working on yet.

though i wouldn't be surprised

[Saggy]

When did kornman himself say that he recoded the engine? That was just an exaggerated assumption made by someone uninvolved in the project. We don't know what he's working on yet.

though i wouldn't be surprised
http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showpost.php?p=227212&postcount=2

Look at who it was last edited by though.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

When did kornman himself say that he recoded the engine? That was just an exaggerated assumption made by someone uninvolved in the project. We don't know what he's working on yet.

though i wouldn't be surprised
uninvolved? <:mad:>

But yeah it was a shot in the dark...I thought I made the irony clear enough :rolleyes:

[Choking Victim]

lol, didn't catch that. ohi patrick :s

[CrAsHOvErRide]

Love you too :P but I'm uninvolved...Korn is a loner (I do understand why ^^) unless he needs complicated mathematical functions...but for that he got his banananananana :v

[supersniper]

Who I never see around anymore>>> Where is that banana.

[Llama Juice]

I chose MAX 8 because of the lack of Maya support.

If there was an exporter for Maya I'd gladly use Maya over max...

Also.. I saw someone said Maya's ONLY programming language is MEL.. but in later versions it can use Python too btw. I dunno about 8.5 but in 2008 if you click on the word MEL at the bottom there it changes to Python

[_TheArbiter_]

3ds max 8 :P

[paintballakid5]

:CHANGE: i now use 3dsmax 8 and 9. w00t!

[demonmaster3k]

s0ooo wat's this 4?

btw moar maya supp0rt

(yes, this acting like a no0b was intentionaly done for no reason)

[MNC]

Have we found out the psbl cookies?

[Tauka Usanake]

I don't have a program to make the maps on but the one that came with the disk.

I'm still trying to find out who to work it. Anyone cre to point me in the way to someone who can help?

[Corndogman]

I don't have a program to make the maps on but the one that came with the disk.

I'm still trying to find out who to work it. Anyone cre to point me in the way to someone who can help?

http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=8580

that should help. register there we'll help you out.

[Tauka Usanake]

http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=8580

that should help. register there we'll help you out.

Thank you very much!:)

[soloblast]

uninvolved? <:mad:>

But yeah it was a shot in the dark...I thought I made the irony clear enough :rolleyes:

-_- Never mind...

Ah well, I might as well still get H2V, even though I don't have Vista. For memories' sake, or so I keep telling myself. In the worst case, I still have this.... http://halo2xp.tk/

(Sorry about the bump; I only come here about once every few months or so.)

[Kornman00]

Well, since my partner in crime for this project seems to have gone AWOL, I might as well let you guys know the root reason for the survey since I doubt the project will ever be finished now due to CtlAltDestory's experience in maxscript being vital to development.

We were basically working on a cinematics environment for Max (and later on possibly, Maya) that allowed you to do ALL of your cinematics (one or more cutscenes) for a level in Max, then you would export the cinematics scene to a text file which a tool I'm working on would then parse and perform operations to fix your scenario tag with needed data (ie, object placements, camera points, etc) also autogenerate the entire script for all of your cinematic scene and a few other nitty gritty details needed, but the idea is that it's ALL streamlined.
We had tons of things planned for allowing you to define what events took place during one cutscene (besides moving the camera). Things like, starting a sound, changing the position of a device, perform many operations on objects (ie, damanging, killing, etc), the list goes on and on.

The best part of it? Everything was done in one environment: Max. No going back and forth in max and sapien. Not only that, but it would have worked for Halo 2 (xbox\vista) and Stubbs the zombie too (and Halo 3 later on down the road).


But like say, the person who was helping me on the Max end went AWOL and I'm loosing hope in seeing this project accomplished anytime soon since I don't know maxscript and only have Maya :/. When I had this idea way back when, I tried getting TheGhost to halp but hes too busy doing...things >_>.

[Patrickssj6]

Learn Maxscript and do it yourself. Oh, and here are 2000 Euros for Max.

This sucks. :/

[n00b1n8R]

Talk to prom. I'm sure they'd be happy to help. (for a price ;) )

[Kornman00]

no thanks, I want this to be done sometime this year. I don't want to have to be working on this while in Iraq :/. The only max person they have working for prom is JamesD (last I checked anyway, early last year)

[itszutak]

Does anybody have a way to contact l33t? This seems to happen a lot. :/

[The1[Aaron]]

stubbs the zombie? can anyone tell me exactly what game engine it uses? it dosn't look like blam because there are things you can do in stubbs that you can't do with blam and ce. and it dosn't look like blam 2 because the ui dosn't look like it's as good as halo 2...
mid point? or maby the engine has also been modifyed slightly because i know for a fact that you can't rip limbs off and use them as weapons and all that. lol

[n00b1n8R]

Stubbs runs on a modified H1 engine.

[The1[Aaron]]

Stubbs runs on a modified H1 engine.

ah yep. now that i look closer at it and think harder. there isn't any way in hell it could have anything from the h2 engine in it

[Zeph]

What did they do to the UV editor in 2008?

Not much from what I could tell switching between computers with and without the update.

[Bodzilla]

well thats a shame.

seemed like it would have been a great idea mate. Shit happens eh :|