Sidewinder REMAKE confirmed for Halo 3

[PlasbianX]

Well, yea. It will be for sure confirmed tuesday, but here's pics from the modified vehicles on a new map: (which leads me to believe its sidewinder)
Obviously its some sort of snow map.. so that pretty much narrows it down :P

http://www.bungie.net/images/News/WeeklyUpdate/A-Vehicles/mongoose.jpg
http://www.bungie.net/images/News/WeeklyUpdate/A-Vehicles/scorpion.jpg
http://www.bungie.net/images/News/WeeklyUpdate/A-Vehicles/warthog.jpg
http://www.bungie.net/images/News/WeeklyUpdate/A-Vehicles/hornet.jpg


The already-revealed Ghost Town will be joined by a pair of other maps in Legendary, the first of which will actually be formally unveiled Tuesday– there’s one of those press releases announcing it and concrete details about the map’s release date and other sundry details. So, much to your chagrin, the wait is a few days longer.

However, below are a bunch of images of vehicles and their custom paint jobs for their appearance on next week’s map.


The Hornet is the only vehicle from this list that has seen gameplay adjustments, in addition to the cosmetic changes. If you’ve ever used the Hornet in a custom game, its missiles-n-guns variety of dominance is an overpowered spectacle to behold. Fun as that may be for the player in the Hornet, it’s a less than awesome situation for players feeling totally helpless while the sky opens up and your Halo experience is reduced to staring at death cam.

What’s different about this version of the Hornet? Its missiles have been removed and its guns have had their effectiveness reduced. It’s less of an airborne death machine and more of an aerial support vehicle now.

[Con]

Awesome, also now we can use the Hornet and it wont be unbalanced.

[Elite Killa]

I like the new Scorpion skin the most.

[supersniper]

Sidewinder... Ice Fields maybe???

[Hotrod]

I was also thinking that now that they show the white vehicles, that Cottenball will in fact be Sidewinder. All the hints that they gave us all point to Sidewinder, so I would be suprised if it weren't true.

[Longshot]

Love the new vehicle skins. :D

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Sidewinder, I love playing that map on CE and PC. I'll forever hate Bungie if they remake Containment, though...

I also heard that Sidewinders are rattlesnakes and Cottonballs are mice, so yeah, rattlesnakes eat mice... found it over at the IGN Halo boards (http://boards.ign.com/halo/b5240/160582009/p1/?14).

[Con]

also, cottonballs are white and fluffy

[JDMFSeanP]

I don't think they have ever remade a map though with the same theme.

Edit: nevermind last resort.

[Botolf]

And Coagulation.

Also, this looks like epic amounts of win!

[jngrow]

:):):)

Yay. Sidewinder. Wonder how it will play in H3. Probably awesome. The fact that Bungie is able to add new/custom vehicles in the game makes me excited. What if we got a whole new vehicle all together one day? Ooh, or just alternate skinned guns. It is crazy.

[Kornman00]

I'm pretty sure they stated somewhere that none of the new maps are remakes\they have no intention of performing any remakes. TBH, I'm glad they don't. It's just like trying to remake Halo 1, which they shouldn't try to do. I would rather play new maps made for the engine, not see a revamped map in a new engine.

[thehoodedsmack]

^ Agreed. I never really liked Sidewinder anyways... Not sure what people see in it. Oh well, to each his own.

[Longshot]

I'm pretty sure they stated somewhere that none of the new maps are remakes\they have no intention of performing any remakes. TBH, I'm glad they don't. It's just like trying to remake Halo 1, which they shouldn't try to do. I would rather play new maps made for the engine, not see a revamped map in a new engine.

I think what they actually said was they don't like reusing old content, i.e. porting old maps, so instead they'll just remake them.


^ Agreed. I never really liked Sidewinder anyways... Not sure what people see in it. Oh well, to each his own.

Well if Sidewinder was ported straight over from Halo 1, it'd play horribly due to the fact that there's no hills or cover, it's mainly a Pistol map. If Halo 3 does get a Sidewinder remake, it'll have a lot of cover... I hope.

[Terry]

Sidewinder would be a great map. I miss the old clutch caps on a lone ghost. Or the insanely crazy warthog driving required to get from point A to point B alive. Or the fact that people depended alot more of variety and strategy on that map.

Sidewinder was far from a pistol map. Sure, people used pistols on it alot, but you didn't have to be a good pistoller to dominate on sidewinder.

However, I remember Bungie stating somewhere that the new maps are not remakes so... :( I just hope this map is as great as it sounds.

[Lateksi]

I'd like to see somehting like Sidewinder or Icefields. Icefields would have better gameplay in Halo 3 I guess. But I still doubt they're making a remake of some map.

[leorimolo]

Actually these seem more moon camouflaged and one of the codenames for the map is Moon base Alpha, So I think it should be intresting... Anyone remember the halo 2 main menu preview pictures that were revealed through modding some kind of moon base?

[Terry]

Actually these seem more moon camouflaged and one of the codenames for the map is Moon base Alpha, So I think it should be intresting... Anyone remember the halo 2 main menu preview pictures that were revealed through modding some kind of moon base?

Moonbase alpha has been pushed back, besides, it clearly says they are frosted.

[Zeph]

Moonbase alpha has been pushed back, besides, it clearly says they are frosted.

It wouldn't be the first time Bungie has mislead its fans into believing something that's not correct.

[Cortexian]

Moonbase alpha has been pushed back, besides, it clearly says they are frosted.
It's cold on the moon doncha know! :eng101:

[Jay2645]

I believe that they said that one of the maps was a returning favorite from one of the old games, but they didn't say which. It was in a weekly update a while back.

[Hotrod]

Moonbase alpha has been pushed back

No, Purple Reign has been pushed back, and replaced with Moonbase Alpha. I think that you are mixing the two maps up. Moonbase Alpha is a map set at night, and they never specified at what time Purple Reign would be.

[Terry]

No, Purple Reign has been pushed back, and replaced with Moonbase Alpha. I think that you are mixing the two maps up. Moonbase Alpha is a map set at night, and they never specified at what time Purple Reign would be.

Nope, you're actually mixing the maps up. Purple Rein was replaced with Moonlight Sonata. And as of now, the only maps that are confirmed for the legendary map pack are: "Moonlight Sonata", Ghost Town( previously known as "O.K Corral") and "Cottonball".

I remember reading somewhere that Moonbase alpha was going to be pushed back to the next map pack as well.

Also, Cottonball seems to be the map those vehicles are on.

“Cottonball”

I’ll talk about the biggest one first. And it’s HUGE. For the purposes of this, we’ll codename it Cottonball. I guess a game of Big Team Snipers would be possible, but anything else would be comical without vehicles. This is very much a large scale objective game map – designed first and foremost with CTF and Assault in mind. The map is almost, but not-quite-perfectly symmetrical. Some natural geology prevents each base from being a simple mirror image of the other. I say natural, but the map is set on a Halo, so, natural’s not exactly correct.

The map leads to the kind of long, drawn out megabattles that hearken back to the days of the original Halo and the crucial to and fro of an epic LAN party. Its inclusion of a surprising vehicle or two may make it even more interesting than it already sounds.

I’ve played this a lot (although less, by necessity than the other two) and I have found a couple of very compelling and addictive rhythms. The map is large enough so that even when a team makes off with your flag, there’s still a lot of ground you can use to catch up. The other is that each side has some wonderful shortcuts – natural and mechanical – that may not make great flag escape routes, but might let a mobile pursuer cut off escapees.

And I know I am in the minority on this – but I sometimes have trouble knowing precisely where I am headed on a more confusing map – I would call out Epitaph as an example –often I will burst through a door thinking I am headed to say, the Active Camo power up, only to find I am not where I thought I was. For some reason, massive and labyrinthine as it is, this new map never confuses me. I always know which way is up – and that fact has saved my bacon and our flag, several times..

Besides, the name suits it ... I mean, come on, Cottonball? Reminds me of snow more than anything else.

[Hotrod]

Nope, you're actually mixing the maps up. Purple Rein was replaced with Moonlight Sonata.

Right, I mixed up Moonbase Alpha and Moonlight Sonata (they both have two words and start with M, it's easy to mix up). Moonlight Sonata is set at night, and I'm guessing Moonbase Alpha will be on the moon.

[Kornman00]

Besides, the name suits it ... I mean, come on, Cottonball? Reminds me of snow more than anything else.
But you're forgetting the fact that the moon is the shape of a ball and indeed white. No one said it had to be OUR moon. It could very easily be Europa.

[Sel]

Of all of halo 1s levels, sidewinder is really one of my least favourite :\

Then followed by the ones I hate, being chill out, and damnation.

Maybe halo 3s will be funner?

[p0lar_bear]

Who says it's Sidewinder?

[Kornman00]

People w/ fantasies

[fatso784]

It may not be Sidewinder, but the design description points to something very much like it. Think about it, "The map is almost, but not-quite-perfectly symmetrical. Some natural geology prevents each base from being a simple mirror image of the other." Sidewinder was almost symmetrical, and both sides couldn't see each other. Similarly, the quote "The map is large enough so that even when a team makes off with your flag, there’s still a lot of ground you can use to catch up. The other is that each side has some wonderful shortcuts – natural and mechanical – that may not make great flag escape routes, but might let a mobile pursuer cut off escapees," leads me to thinking it is Sidewinder. I remember whenever I played CTF, you could still catch up to the flag quite easily. You had time. Also, when you started, there was a tunnel off to the left (shortcut, anyone?). It's pretty much Sidewinder, even if it isn't called Sidewinder.

[jngrow]

Of all of halo 1s levels, sidewinder is really one of my least favourite :\

Then followed by the ones I hate, being chill out, and damnation.

Maybe halo 3s will be funner?

no chill out either? :'( you must not like cold maps.

[Jay2645]

I loved Sidewinder. That, BG, and Death Island (Yes, I liked it, I know it's horribly unbalanced, it's one of my favorites, so STFU) are my favorite (default) H1 maps.

[Ki11a_FTW]

i hope its like a infinity snowy remix :itwouldbeawesome:

[p0lar_bear]

Sidewinder was almost symmetrical

Sidewinder was symmetrical, except for the placement of a few trees and how each cliff was accessed from the main run.

Base layout, tunnels, teleporter paths, and vehicle paths were exactly the same.

[OmegaDragon]

It might or it might not be sidewinder. I guess that we will find out in a few hours. Tomorrow

They should just make like a classic map pack with the old halo maps with a few upgraded graphics.

[Sever]

New map info - you'll have to wait
Delicious Pie stopped by (http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=869220) with word from Luke Smith (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10242618&postcount=40242), over at the NeoGAF forum - apparently the planned map reveal (mentioned in last Friday's Weekly Update (http://halo.bungie.org/news.html?item=22231)) that was scheduled to go live today will not be posted until tomorrow. Bummer! (Louis Wu 11:20:44 UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=18&year=2008&hour=11&min=20&sec=44&p1=0)) (permalink (http://halo.bungie.org/news.html?item=22266)).

[Flyboy]

All I care about is how soon after these are released will the Heroic DLC become free (a sidewinder will be sick btw)

[Botolf]

I heard this update is happening at 2 AM tonight :lol:

EDIT: That's Pacific, to be specific.

[Flyboy]

That would be Wednesday...liar <_<

[Jay2645]

A Lyre is a musical instrument.

I do believe the term you were looking for, Fly, is liar.

[chicane]

I doubt theyre going to remake anything that has teleporters, because they have already said that they like mancannons better. (who DOESNT?) So it may be something like sidewinder but with mancannons instead.

[Terin]

Avalanccheee

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=13382

Looks big.

[Darqeness]

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=13382

There we go. It's Sidewinder..kinda. Still it looks and sounds brilliant. Release date is April 15th for 800 MS points.

[Longshot]

Still reading through it, looks freaking awesome, can't wait till its released. I'll definitely be paying for this map pack, the current maps just suck. :\

[Terry]

Haha, I was right!

We definitely have to forge away everything except hogs and ghosts and have a classic Sidewinder gamenight when this comes out B)

[Kornman00]

FFS Timo, it's not Sidewinder <:mad:>

[Jay2645]

I do believe a "I told you so" is in order.

[flibitijibibo]

Yeah, that's about as not Sidewinder as it gets.

http://www.bungie.net/images/News/WeeklyUpdate/A-Vehicles/AMapz/news_H3_LegDLC_Avalanche02.jpg

I can guarantee you that RIGHT behind that structure on the right is the other base. This map is going to be as fucking tiny as the rest of them.

Was anybody else pissed when Bungie was like "OMGOMGOMG THESE MAPS ARE SO GOD DAMN BIG JESUS CHRIST" and ended up releasing maps the size of the post above mine? After that, I can't trust them to make this one any bigger. Sandtrap is probably their biggest map evars. =/

[FireDragon04]

Its a good scale i think, if u look at the images of the bases, where you can see a wraith and a hornet, that gives scale, it looks to be about the scale of Containment from Halo 2, but still, slightly more 'compressed' then Sidewinder.

Also, by the writing with the post, I'm almost 99% sure that there will be some complicated walking strategies and inside forerunner structures concealed by the cliffs...so just wait. :D

[Sel]

no chill out either? :'( you must not like cold maps.

I like Ice fields, so its not thanks to the snow.

[Caboos001]

Yeah, that's about as not Sidewinder as it gets.

http://www.bungie.net/images/News/WeeklyUpdate/A-Vehicles/AMapz/news_H3_LegDLC_Avalanche02.jpg

I can guarantee you that RIGHT behind that structure on the right is the other base. This map is going to be as fucking tiny as the rest of them.

Was anybody else pissed when Bungie was like "OMGOMGOMG THESE MAPS ARE SO GOD DAMN BIG JESUS CHRIST" and ended up releasing maps the size of the post above mine? After that, I can't trust them to make this one any bigger. Sandtrap is probably their biggest map evars. =/

=/ From the looks of it the structure on the right seems to be the point where the map begins to curve around to form the U shape. I’ll bet once you get past that large structure the other side is just as large as the side depicted in that picture. And as stated above if you take the wraith from picture one and scale it with that picture it gives a pretty good idea of the size. Looks like it’s going to be massive. I could be wrong though.

[Zeph]

They say they removed a lot of the stalemate elements from the map. In other words, it's not a competitive map anymore.

[Kornman00]

Yeah, that's about as not Sidewinder as it gets.

http://www.bungie.net/images/News/WeeklyUpdate/A-Vehicles/AMapz/news_H3_LegDLC_Avalanche02.jpg

I can guarantee you that RIGHT behind that structure on the right is the other base. This map is going to be as fucking tiny as the rest of them.

Was anybody else pissed when Bungie was like "OMGOMGOMG THESE MAPS ARE SO GOD DAMN BIG JESUS CHRIST" and ended up releasing maps the size of the post above mine? After that, I can't trust them to make this one any bigger. Sandtrap is probably their biggest map evars. =/
Uhm, that ghost is just a spec on the map (no pun intended), so it looks pretty big compared to the rest of the maps, including sandtrap, which is really just large lengthwise, not large overall.

[jngrow]

Uhm, that ghost is just a spec on the map (no pun intended), so it looks pretty big compared to the rest of the maps, including sandtrap, which is really just large lengthwise, not large overall.

Haha, I can't even see the ghost.

But iunno, it seems like it doesn't have a lot of the delicious elements of sidewinder, like the open front ends of the base where snipe duels happened, and the sort of "teleporter wars" that were always constantly going on.

[-Ranger-]

I hope they did not remove the teleporters.

[Kornman00]

But iunno, it seems like it doesn't have a lot of the delicious elements of sidewinder, like the open front ends of the base where snipe duels happened, and the sort of "teleporter wars" that were always constantly going on.
Guess that's why it's not called Sidewinder :downs: (note: not calling you^ a downer btw...)

[Atty]

Is it just me or does that map look beautiful?

[JunkfoodMan]

Is it just me or does that map look beautiful?

I've always been in love with Halo 3's Ice shaders/textures.

[TeeKup]

Absolutely Beautiful, I especially love the snow scorpion.

[Ki11a_FTW]

heres the other 3 pics

http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/H3_LegDLC_Avalanche01.jpg
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/H3_LegDLC_Avalanche03.jpg
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/H3_LegDLC_Avalanche04.jpg


Looks really awesome to me, and it seems the teleporters are still in it, as seen in the pic
And seeing this is the first map that has a tank and wraith and hornet spawned by default (not even sandtrap), it has to be pretty fucking big

EDIT: also glad they fixed that gay camping in the flag bases with vehicles

[supersniper]

Same exact layout as sidewinder. To me it is a total update to sidewinder.

[Hotrod]

This map looks quite awesome, I can't wait to try it out. I think this is the map I'm the most exited about from all the DLC maps.

[FireDragon04]

The huge images make the map look even more gorgeous, I'm also very intrigued to see the final map in the map pack, along with Ghost Town and Avalanche.

[PlasbianX]

TOLD U.

[Hotrod]

TOLD U.

Says half the Halo 3 community...

[Flyboy]

A Lyre is a musical instrument.

I do believe the term you were looking for, Fly, is liar.
You know whats odd, Firefox underlines that in red. I trust spell check too much.

<_< >_>

[Jay2645]

I'm using Firefox, and liar is not misspelled.

[itszutak]

liar liar liar lyre lyre lyre lyre

Yeah, no problems here. What version are you using? >_>

[Ki11a_FTW]

who cares? back on topic mb

[Jay2645]

From Sketch's gathered posts over at HBO, it is NOT a spiritual successor, it's more of an actual remake, the first for H3.

Also, stalemates still happen pretty often, apparently.

Sauce here (http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=869542).

[Sever]

First for H3? What about Last Resort... Also, it looks quite cool with Installation 04a in the sky. I wonder if they have any other cool things in the skybox that they're not showing...

[Jay2645]

First for H3? What about Last Resort... Also, it looks quite cool with Installation 04a in the sky. I wonder if they have any other cool things in the skybox that they're not showing...
Ah, forgot about that one. Make that the SECOND remake. Guardian and Valhalla don't count; they're spiritual successors.

[Flyboy]

I'd like to see a city map. More because of its usefulness to Machinima than anything else but urban combat is also fun.

[Jay2645]

Halo 2's Turf wasn't good enough for you?

Though I do understand what you mean.

[NuggetWarmer]

The map sorta reminds me of Portent in Halo CE.
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1796

[JDMFSeanP]

The map sorta reminds me of Portent in Halo CE.
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1796

Are you blind? TBDH that looks nothing like anything.

Im on the edge with this map. It looks cool, but without the hallways its not even close to a good sidewinder.

[Dole]

Halo 2's Turf wasn't good enough for you?

Though I do understand what you mean.
Pfft, Turf wasn't a city map, it was a quarantined ghetto.

[spartan463]

something like district from H2 vista, but with more buildings that you can go in?

[Kornman00]

something like district from H2 vista, but with more buildings that you can go in
.

Something like a boarding action maybe, but in a city.

Sniping from a tower like a Charlie in FMJ style!

[Ki11a_FTW]

that would be epic

[Jay2645]

Pfft, Turf wasn't a city map, it was a quarantined ghetto.
And where do you find Ghettos?

[JDMFSeanP]

Somewhere with a lot of jews.

I hope this map turns out right, should be epic for lans

[Con]

I wished it looked more like Sidewinder than it does.

[Heathen]

But its not really a remake....
think of it as that girl who's good looking...
but her step sister is so much better looking...
'cept she costs 800 gamerpoints...
Not to mention they have the 3rd map...moon whatever...

off topic
speaking of which...a few friends and I were talking. Wouldn't it be hella cool if their was a map with editable light sources and light brightness. They could have a gametype where one teammate holds a lantern like thing and has to kill the others. Meh....just thinking.

[TheGhost]

And where do you find Ghettos?

Do you mean like a... Ghost Ghetto?

[/inside joke]

[Jay2645]

Do you mean like a... Ghost Ghetto?

[/inside joke]
BHUT EMMZEE TOLD ME IT HAD A NAME CHANGE!
I'm curious. What is in that secret awesome-people-only section?

[Sel]

Do you mean like a... Ghost Ghetto?

[/inside joke]

Oh I remember that.

http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7922

That would be it wouldnt it mister ghosty?

[Con]

yes

[TheGhost]

Oh I remember that.

http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7922

That would be it wouldnt it mister ghosty?

lol yeah that

[teh lag]

Oh I remember that.

http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7922

That would be it wouldnt it mister ghosty?


no


lol yeah that

all liez :tinfoil:

[Con]

oops i meant yes

[Heathen]

lol, you mixed no and yes up?

[p0lar_bear]

the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the lie is a cake
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie
the cake is a lie

[legionaire45]

THERE IS NO FUCKING CAKE GO HOME.

WHERE IS THE CAEK EGGMAN>?

Btw, We must invade this evil forum that Emmzee and the rejects have created. I went there and I will never be the same after what I saw going on in there. Like, it was more disturbing then Doom 3 + 2G1C combined into some Satanic asshole spewing out evil and then digesting it.

[Jay2645]

So let me take a wild guess here, since you say you can see it:
You have to have the light green bars of rep to get in, don't you?

I've been thinking that for a long time, but never had any evidence to prove it...

[teh lag]

So let me take a wild guess here, since you say you can see it:
You have to have the light green bars of rep to get in, don't you?

I've been thinking that for a long time, but never had any evidence to prove it...

Rep is all a big conspiracy.

[paintballakid5]

i'm not sure why... but this Map is rminding me of Containment from Halo 2.

[LinkandKvel]

i'm not sure why... but this Map is rminding me of Containment from Halo 2.

No. Containment sucks balls, this map will be awesome.

[TheGhost]

No. Containment sucks balls, this map will be awesome.

^

[Kornman00]

hai, containment was fun for halo 2 ~:mad:~

[PlasbianX]

Bungie.net has got 2 pics up, 1 showing the comparison between H1 and H3, and the other showing weapon + item placements.

[Heathen]

i'm not sure why... but this Map is rminding me of Containment from Halo 2.

Thats because the structures are, in my mind, very similar....I thought the same thing.

[thehoodedsmack]

In a related note of the upcoming maps, the Heroic Map Pack will be free starting Tuesday. Also, new pictures of Avalanche.

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=13399

[bleach]

Sorry about the bump, but Avalanche is going to be awesome.

[Heathen]

YOU BUMPED AN OLD THREAD >:[

jk but I know its been posted already but those that come here for it... (http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=13469)