... FAILURE! what happened to this shotgun?

[ICEE]

I would like to point out that this thread is NOT asking for criticism on the model or animation origin, thanks.

Ok, so my friend models this shotgun and sends it to me to animate. I spent a few hours working on it and everything was peachy: http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/origin.jpg
BUT THEN, I got it in game and my day was ruined.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/shotgunfailure.jpg

Does anyone know what the hell happened? This same thing happened to a sniper rifle that was modeled by the same friend, but did not happen to a battle rifle that he also made. I didn't do anything out of the ordinary when I animated it, and my friend claims not to have done anything weird when modeling it. +rep to anyone who can help me out here..

[Sel]

Scale it up maybe?

[ICEE]

Umm, if you look thats not the problem. The shotgun's pump is far ahead of the gun, and the rest of it is way back.

[Sel]

Umm, if you look thats not the problem. The shotgun's pump is far ahead of the gun, and the rest of it is way back.

Oh, hahaha.

I dunno.

[Roth]

It needs the hand of a pro.

hint.

[ICEE]

K, that doesn't help at all.

[I_Am_Error117]

The gun is messed up.


jk that is weird. Is the pump and gun the same model or seperate models?

[itszutak]

Looks like the pump is attached to the hand. If you scale it up correctly, I think it'll look correct.

[ICEE]

But I didn't edit the scaling or anything after exporting the animations or model

[TeeKup]

You either didn't link a frame properly or you linked the primary gun frame to the wrong hand/arm frame for animation.

[ICEE]

I linked frame gun to frame bone 24. I always do and I usually don't have this problem.

[TeeKup]

I linked frame gun to frame bone 24. I always do and I usually don't have this problem.

Really? Thats rather odd. Check what the pump's frame is linked too then, it looks as if you may have accidentally linked it to a finger frame.

[ICEE]

If the frame pump wasn't linked to frame gun then the model wouldn't have exported at all though.

[TeeKup]

True, I had forgotten about that. I'm stumped then.

[ICEE]

yeah me too. I'm really frustrated because my friend and I both wasted several hours of our lives if this doesn't look right.

[Choking Victim]

you're supposed to link "frame gun" to "frame l_wriste".

[Ki11a_FTW]

if you scaled any frames during the animation process, it will fuck up the gbx model position

[Choking Victim]

if you scaled any frames during the animation process, it will fuck up the gbx model position
I wonder who told you that...He already said he didn't scale anything anyway.

[ICEE]

you're supposed to link "frame gun" to "frame l_wriste".


Well, thats one possibility But I've found its best to link frame gun to frame bone 24 and then constrain the wrist controllers to whichever nodes fit best. In this case I constrained left controller to frame pump and the right controller to frame shell (right handed reload ftw).

[TeeKup]

Make sure you accidentally didn't scale anything, I remember myself doing that on a number of occasions. You probably didn't but it doesn't hurt to be cautious.

[ICEE]

Im pretty sure. I'm going to experiment with upscaling the model like people have said.

[Jay2645]

Hmm... You sure the model is 0 on all coordinates? Shouldn't be the case, but I forgot to zero out the model once, and I couldn't figure out where the hell it went.

[ICEE]

It is, but it shouldn't make any difference since the location of the nodes is really all that matters.

[Ki11a_FTW]

I wonder who told you that...He already said he didn't scale anything anyway.

actually i knew that for weapons but not the riggging things, because my one of my weapons was like, 10 times the size ingame as it was in 3ds max, found out it was because i scaled frame gun and it doesnt like that

[kid908]

did you scale the original fp model correctly? also after scaling, disconnect the model from the frame and re attatch it. also when scaling, scale the frame node not the model.

[ICEE]

Doing what Kid said I came out with this:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z295/iron_clad_photo/someprogress.jpg
See, the frame gun is still to far back. Im not sure exactly how far back it is though or else I might be able to fix it. Also the loading port is tiny

[kid908]

glad i was some help =P

[ICEE]

haha thanks. I'll +rep you when I can (to much rep given out in 24 hours), but I'm still not satisfied with the results.

[Patrickssj6]

Align the frame to the pivot of the handle/slider thingy.

You don't animate the object, you animate the frame where the object is linked to.

[ICEE]

Align the frame to the pivot of the handle/slider thingy.

You don't animate the object, you animate the frame where the object is linked to.


I know that, I'm fairly experienced with animating, and in max everything is aligned perfectly. I think that this is an issue with the model not the animations because the gun has been animated twice now by both myself and the friend who modeled it (both of us have animated many guns before and know the basics at least) and we both had this problem.

[il Duce Primo]

Try importing the model into a new scene maybe?

[ICEE]

Been done

[FRain]

you're supposed to link "frame gun" to "frame l_wriste".

Negatoritive/Nein/No

THIS IS unless you're hand to never be able to come off of its position.

[ICEE]

I think I covered that already

[paintballakid5]

when you Export the weapon, Export it as a editable Mesh, not Poly.

[PenGuin1362]

Negatoritive/Nein/No

THIS IS unless you're hand to never be able to come off of its position.

Actually he's correct, makes animating much easier. although i do the right wrist >_>


when you Export the weapon, Export it as a editable Mesh, not Poly.
Does not matter.

[ICEE]

Guys we covered the linking thing. Its not that :\

[ICEE]

Problem solved. It was something in the noding.