Quick-Crit 2008-2009

[BobtheGreatII]

they're both mediocre.

:eng101:

[Bastinka]

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5012/368256815sl4.jpg
Phone takes shitty pictures, my like first good shading so far. Gonna fix light source later, too lazy.

[ExAm]

It's alright, but to my knowledge legs don't bend like macaroni. Except in pendleton ward cartoons.

[SnaFuBAR]

looks less like a leg bending and more like an elephantiasis cock. adding creases in the pants and such (and not noodling the leg) would help achieve the right look.

[Reaper Man]

Some of the shading doesn't make sense. Also, contrast. Needs blacks and whites, not just greys.

Also, next time you take a shot of your work, at the very least have your piece flat on a table or something and don't use a flash.

[Bastinka]

Didn't use flash :P

Was the light on me desk.

[RobertGraham]

Sorry for the bad photoshop skills. Its not easy without a Tablet

http://fc47.deviantart.com/fs38/i/2008/314/b/5/Halo___Shoop_Da_Woop_Escape_by_iTails.png

[Disaster]

I lol'd

[JunkfoodMan]

i didnt lol.
overused meme and general unfunny.

[Malloy]

I Lol'd at the 'unfunny'ness.

[RobertGraham]

Is it really that eye soring?

[JunkfoodMan]

read the comments and notice that it's not so much the art that needs working on (but yes, please work on the art).

[RobertGraham]

lol, got it, I just need a tablet now :(

[JunkfoodMan]

Some half-decent ones aren't that expensive. If it's only webcomic-related stuff you're doing, you might want to get something like the Wacom bamboo/graphire, but if you're looking to do more with the tablet (painting, etc.) then the intuos3 is your safest bet.
keep in mind the intuos3 is one of wacom's most expensive tablets though, but it's well worth it.
Edit: most of all, like most things related to shopping for computer-related equipment, do your homework.

[mech]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7519/ullerstrong.jpg

Still have some minor cleanup to do.

[Invader Veex]

If you get a tablet, that doesn't mean you photoshop skills will be magically awesome. It's takes a little bit getting used to, imo. Once you get the hang of it, it's a lot more fun.

also, I've made alot better looking characters in ms paint.

[Chainsy]

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/1chains1/bruteupdate-1.png
Need to add hair to stomach, set up specular and normals, add nails to the feet, figure out the weird pelt unwrap for the eye so this wont look like a statue and adding a brownish tinge plus some inconsistencies so it looks more like organic skin. Also I am aware the wireframe is showing, the opacity on the base layer is turned down to show off the model nugget made. Other then said above comments, do yall have anything else you think I should do?

[SnaFuBAR]

Uhhh, render closer up. Make your vertical dimensions of your render the largest. Your work is always presented so small it's becoming not even worth it to reply to your posts.

[Chainsy]

Its on a 1800 by 1200, and I wanted the whole brute to fit in the picture.
That better?
Edit- will get a closer render.

[teh lag]

Its on a 1800 by 1200, and I wanted the whole brute to fit in the picture.
That better?
Edit- will get a closer render.

Funny, to me it looks like 1024x683. At least trim it down on the sides (you know you can do that in the render setup screen, right?), there's nothing there and it just streches the screen. Your presentation isn't impressing people and is frankly quite irritating on a consistent basis.

As for the skin, first off why would you want to "show off" the model if you want to get crit on the skin? That just interferes with our ability to see what's going on. If you want to show off the model, how about putting that in a seperate render?

You have zero depth or texture going on there - it all looks flat with overly-smooth shading that doesn't really define anything. Open up the h2 brute skin and see how Bungie did it; you just seem to be groping around in the dark hoping that something will end up looking right. The colors are far too gaudy to pass for cloth or fur, and there's almost no definition or variation where it matters.

[Roostervier]

Your material definition is terrible. The fur does not look like fur, the armour looks like a bunch large blurry lines, and how you're making the armour isn't brutish at all. It looks like you're having him wear short shorts that are pulled up past his belly button, too. Look off Bungie's if you have to. Along with all that, its skin doesn't look all the convincing either, because it has too much contrast from the lighting. The muscles have been poorly made, too (from what I can see, which admittedly isn't much since it's so small).

[DEElekgolo]

A lot of things that you put in the texture would have looked a lot better if it was part of the model.

[Chainsy]

That is up to nugget.

[SnaFuBAR]

What happened to the larger render?

[t3h m00kz]

okay so

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2330/2220126238_124c3b6d71.jpg

Remember this beast? Back from the old Halo days, when MC looked like fucking Robocop?

http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/1/17/Machette_vs_EnergySword_.jpg

Yeah that's the one. well

I'd post an animations video if I knew how to render them lol... Anyway what can I do to optimize this fucker before I actually start work on a REAL texture?

First serious model in Max aside from Deck, be easy *ducks*

E: Anis. First attempt at two-armed animations so far.

GKmAXjoQ-hg

Wow youtube's like "hurr get cut off like a full second early." What an asshole.

[ExAm]

There be a rendering guide right here in this forum, sir.

[t3h m00kz]

There be a rendering guide right here in this forum, sir.

...

Oh. Sweet. :haw:

brb wit anis

[ODX]

The idle, is good, but the fingers on the left hand need to have a more noticeable bend in the middle and tips of the fingers. Right now it looks like you just used the bottom of the fingers. Try looking at L4D's zombie hand idle, the fingers curve a lot, but still in the human capabilities. I think the finger movements would fit great in this.

The first melee, really isn't a way I'd swing a knife. And even if it was, it wouldn't exactly stop right at the edge of the screen. I'd either go with a melee that comes from the left and swings across to the right, sort of like some backhand tennis swing, or change the position of the hand so that it's facing down during what you have now. Whichever one you want though, I think my second option would look cooler though. I'm going to skip the second melee because I really haven't used a knife so I have no idea if that's logical or not.

Something I always love doing though is something I abbreviate to r2o, or Return 2 Origin. Right now, yours look a bit strange, or too stiff like during the ready. Add some interesting movements, instead of just placing the origin's frame after you're done with the main part of the animation, because then the rotations get really effed up. You'll soon start doing it, I used to just place the origin's frame, then when it was halfway there, raise it up a bit. Here, try rotating it a bit in the opposite direction it's going as well as moving it up a bit, or down if you want to try something with that.

Dear lord, I've typed way too much. I only have limited use of an ICEE Crit, and I'm way over. Now I've got to pay him a bunch of money :(
Also, was that quick crit? Sorry if I went overboard, first time actually posting my opinions in here. Don't kill me.

[Chainsy]

What happened to the larger render?
There was so much wrong with the skin I decided that nothing short of a total reskin would be of any use.

[Con]

the shape of the blade is wrong, and it looks too short.

[Huero]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4417/casphidef.png (http://imageshack.us)
merp
made this for a steam group, CatSpackle

[Bastinka]

Cat head isn't rounded and it looks messed up.

[Huero]

It's shrunken down to such a size where you can't see that
but I'll fix that anyway it bothers me
e: oh and define 'messed up' please

[t3h m00kz]

the shape of the blade is wrong, and it looks too short.

Yeh, I kind of based it on this, which seems to be a bit different than the official Halo design

The one on the right

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2182/2213997907_093255920e.jpg?v=0

A longer blade and some simple changes to it wouldn't be too hard though. I already see a mistake I made


:words:

lol no worries I wanted to know what was good and what wasn't, and that's what I got.

However, I did practice swinging a knife to find out which seemed the easiest, and left to right actually seemed to require more effort than right to left. Still I'll experiment around and see what I can come up with

[TVTyrant]

Woah, those look wicked dude! Did you model and texture those yourself?

[t3h m00kz]

That's a photograph.

Look back a page.

[Heathen]

Rofl tyrant...

[Disaster]

:lmao:

[DaneO'Roo]

So my news year resolution was to try become pro mudler this year, taking my first steps, thanks to a project at work I'ts sort of forcing me to learn.

Only 2 days work so far on what you see, lots of stuff missing, clipping errors, some tris i have to clean up and such, skin texture only really basic but heres this bitch so far:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2120/31591550.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4356/43458970.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1575/33757004.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5214/33628703.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9278/60016727.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9383/44300375.jpg

Eyes are just black spheres right now fyi


It's going to be high poly CG style first also, then I'll make the low res meshes afterwards.

[SnaFuBAR]

I see that tut i gave you is paying off!

[DaneO'Roo]

yesir it was awesome


also thought I'd show my mudbox of the head, really quick and dirty, needs more wrinkles and folds and such, but still:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1671/39349598.jpg

[RobertGraham]

that looks so awesome

[Rob Oplawar]

The lips look a little unnatural, as do the hips. It looks like she's got a really long upper lip, and there's something I just can't put my finger on about the hips area (and I'm not talking about the lack of anatomical correctness). But I assume her shame will be covered, so it may not matter.

[JunkfoodMan]

That render of the face looks like a younger Dhalsim from street fighter...
Overall it's nice, but the woman looks very aged. How old is she meant to be?
E: also, what tutorial?

[Chainsy]

What the hell is wrong with her eyelids?!?!? :gonk:

[mech]

You have to define your muscle groups and appendages better.

The hands have to be the worse part of the mesh, they're too inaccurate. The arms appear to be one uniform size all the way through. The face needs more work, find some anatomical references to aid you in defining stronger facial structures. The eye brows also resemble a scar more than actual hair.

Keep working at, these are only minor issues.

[DaneO'Roo]

good crit mech, will do that shit, thanks. I modeled the hands after my hands ( they look ok to me?) so maybe that's why they're fucked up.

Also, one of the contributing factors to the overall suckiness is due to the fact that I didn't use any references, so I kind of shot myself in the foot with that one.

[mech]

http://janjinda.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/hand_01.jpg

http://www.seraphimmovie.com/Flames%2002_files/hand_reference-1.jpg

http://www.michaelgilvonio.com/blog/images/lowpoly_hand_renders.jpg

http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee179/vikramvr/?action=view&current=hand-1.jpg

[Chainsy]

Dayum.

[TVTyrant]

The bones on the palm look a little messed up. Most people don't have that much definition through their skin. Or at least I don't, but I'm fuckin big.

And I was just kidding about the modeling ant texturing thing. Come on now.

[paladin]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hcd4Wjdzq5A/SXLun7fMKYI/AAAAAAAAAIk/CcTzPGAEMbU/s1600-h/halo+concept+copy.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hcd4Wjdzq5A/SXLun7fMKYI/AAAAAAAAAIk/CcTzPGAEMbU/s1600-h/halo+concept+copy.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5654/haloconceptcopy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
tablet, looking a pic on bungie.net

[Chainsy]

...what is it?

[paladin]

The campaign level Halo. Im looking for the original pic.

[Chainsy]

Its really blurry, try sharpening it.

[SnaFuBAR]

He doesn't need to sharpen it. It's obvious that the view is looking through a cave at a silhouetted figure. He did well with it.

[ICEE]

He doesn't need to sharpen it. It's obvious that the view is looking through a cave at a silhouetted figure. He did well with it.

This, however I would say that theres to much of the cave visible. the view should be closer up, so we're looking less at the blurry cave and more at the figure.

[paladin]

Its showing the depth of the cave and brings its scale into perspective tbh.

[Chainsy]

Ok other then it being blurry, I can not tell what anything is, rocks have incomplete shine, there is no real depth, if its so large there has to be some atmosphere in between where the perspective is all the way to the far side of the wall outside the cave, rocks look unconvincing as in blurry, but overall its a nice picture.

Also snaf grow the hell up, for a guy who is so well educated and also an adult I would expect you to not hold grudges and try to put down 15 year olds. :\

[RobertGraham]

I think it looks good, but a bit too blurry.

[Chainsy]

Suggest you change the last part, even if I was, so many people dislike me you will get flamed for it, the community is a bitch that way.

[Roostervier]

Grow the hell up, no one is "against" you.

[Chainsy]

Never said against, just do not like and will insult at any point possible. :)
But you know all about that don't you rooster, what with your personal -reps with some insulting messages at me.

Edit- need to get back on topic.

[teh lag]

Cool it, guys. Chains, don't whine about rep on the forums; take it to PMs if you must do it.

[SnaFuBAR]

I don't know what the hell he's even talking about, i can't respond to a response to a non existent insult.

[t3h m00kz]

E: fuck wrong thread my bad guyz

[DaneO'Roo]

Its really blurry, try sharpening it.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[SnaFuBAR]

Its really blurry, try sharpening it.
PS, sharpen filter adds CMYK artifacts.

[Chainsy]

Never said sharpening filters, get off my fucking back, seems perfectly alright for you to say to make my images less blurry, then this guy posts this paint over where you can't even tell the scale of it because he did not even add any atmosphere between where the perspective is to the other side of the huge cave wall, why not instead of taking the time to laugh at me and crit my fucking crit, why not actually help the damn guy who posted the work?
Seriously what the fuck, if my crit is sooo wrong, tell him how to properly do it, instead of screwing him over with my shit crit. You guys are so smart and mature, hell I know I am a whiney bitch, but at least I am not two adults making fun of a 15 year old kid trying to contribute to a community, cheers, hope you burn in hell.

[TeeKup]

You learn to crit properly when you learn to create properly.

Way to get offended by someone on the internet kid.

[Hunter]

Never said sharpening filters, get off my fucking back, seems perfectly alright for you to say to make my images less blurry, then this guy posts this paint over where you can't even tell the scale of it because he did not even add any atmosphere between where the perspective is to the other side of the huge cave wall, why not instead of taking the time to laugh at me and crit my fucking crit, why not actually help the damn guy who posted the work?
Seriously what the fuck, if my crit is sooo wrong, tell him how to properly do it, instead of screwing him over with my shit crit. You guys are so smart and mature, hell I know I am a whiney bitch, but at least I am not two adults making fun of a 15 year old kid trying to contribute to a community, cheers, hope you burn in hell.

There is a difference. That guy does it for a living. You do it as a hobby...

[Bastinka]

I say his perspective and atmosphere are perfect, I quite like it. It is blurry for a reason you know. Kind of a style with a different feel to it.

[ExAm]

I'm gonna go with devil's advocate here and say that it's a little over the top on the blurry bits. I couldn't even tell what it was the first time i saw it.

[SnaFuBAR]

Never said sharpening filters, get off my fucking back, seems perfectly alright for you to say to make my images less blurry, then this guy posts this paint over where you can't even tell the scale of it because he did not even add any atmosphere between where the perspective is to the other side of the huge cave wall, why not instead of taking the time to laugh at me and crit my fucking crit, why not actually help the damn guy who posted the work?
Seriously what the fuck, if my crit is sooo wrong, tell him how to properly do it, instead of screwing him over with my shit crit. You guys are so smart and mature, hell I know I am a whiney bitch, but at least I am not two adults making fun of a 15 year old kid trying to contribute to a community, cheers, hope you burn in hell.

Then what would you do to sharpen up a finished image? You didn't say to paint sharper, you said to sharpen it, which implies use of the sharpen filter. You meant use the sharpen filter. The difference is that it looks like you paint the entire thing with the same soft edged brush. Your entire image is blurry all the time. Stop crying. Everything you do looks like it came from fluffy pillow and marshmallow land. Use a hard brush sometimes. I don't know if you think you're simulating bloom or whatever, but it ain't working.

Exam, if the blurry bits of the cave were in sharper detail, that would cause your eyes to search the page a lot more. What he did is fine. This gives a sense of scale, environment, and directs your eye to the subject matter. He did it all right.

[teh lag]

OH MY GOD.

How many times do I have to tell you people to stop bitching at each other? Chains, lashing out like that was pretty uncalled for, and Snaf, while what you're saying is true, just ignore him. I'm tired of having to sort through all the drama that's been taking place in here.

[Heathen]

Never said against, just do not like and will insult at any point possible. :)
But you know all about that don't you rooster, what with your personal -reps with some insulting messages at me.

Edit- need to get back on topic.
Just ftr, if I ever did it, I didnt do it because of who it was, but how much I disagree'd with the post.

And to the point, I dont like the womans face in that character. Her something is too far down.

[cheezdue]

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/cheezdue/3ds%20max%20models/desert.png

This is my first time Ive made a terrain scene. Notice, the clouds are strechted and I used mr. area omni for my lighting. So are there any improvements this scene needs?

[Bastinka]

Terrain texture looks really weird, imo.

[Chainsy]

Ground texture is too large, stretched in some places and not very detailed, I do not see any shadows, should add a good normal map, if those are mountains the texture again really brings them down in scale.

[DaneO'Roo]

You don't use normal maps in a fucking CG scene unless you really need them.

And how can you not see the shadows?

Also, Scale is relative.

These mountains would be fine for a distant mesh ingame, but in terms of scene quality, it's poor.

[DaneO'Roo]

Never said sharpening filters, get off my fucking back, seems perfectly alright for you to say to make my images less blurry, then this guy posts this paint over where you can't even tell the scale of it because he did not even add any atmosphere between where the perspective is to the other side of the huge cave wall, why not instead of taking the time to laugh at me and crit my fucking crit, why not actually help the damn guy who posted the work?
Seriously what the fuck, if my crit is sooo wrong, tell him how to properly do it, instead of screwing him over with my shit crit. You guys are so smart and mature, hell I know I am a whiney bitch, but at least I am not two adults making fun of a 15 year old kid trying to contribute to a community, cheers, hope you burn in hell.

The reason everyone mauled you is because you saw another guys painting who was superior to yours, and you attempted to raise yourself off the ground and critique him like as if you suddenly knew what the fuck you were talking about.

Maybe if you took your own "advice" your own work could crawl out of the gutter.

[Chainsy]

Dude, what the hell, drop it, no one is even on that subject anymore, I am trying to turn a new leaf if you even pay attention to my thread, I guess you don't since its below your amazing standards. But please, leave me alone, I know you love the chance to spear me in the ass for everything I say just to demean me more, but its the fucking internet, go do something productive with the time to take to insult me and I bet you could have another one of your amazing texture jobs that give you such a high status in the community done. :)

[Hunter]

Maybe he brought the topic backup because he has not been online for a while. Imo you should listen to Dane seems as he is extremly good in this area.

[Gwunty]

nice to see you actually read the posts hunter.

[Hunter]

nice to see you actually read the posts hunter.

I didnt read them all, I just read Danes quote :p

[Gwunty]

:killed with fire due to offtopic:

[ExAm]

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/cheezdue/3ds%20max%20models/desert.png

This is my first time Ive made a terrain scene. Notice, the clouds are strechted and I used mr. area omni for my lighting. So are there any improvements this scene needs?Looks like everything's covered in cheese.

[Jean-Luc]

You can crit if you want, but this is just goofing off :p

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7417/imagemanip.jpg

For an explanation, the image is actually my WIP final for Image Manipulation. The objective is to create an image depicting either the interior of the truck, or something sticking out of the truck in a crazy fashion, all while staying on the paint job. This is much like those 3D sidewalk drawings you see, in that it would only be visible that way from that exact angle.

[Hunter]

Is it me or does the back danle need custimizing to look more comfy?

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/Halo3MissilePod.jpg

Piss easy model that is as well Lol

[TeeKup]

Your handle is far too thick.

[RobertGraham]

Also, charfmer the edges on that handle, looks kinda blocky

[Malloy]

^ lol wut

[TeeKup]

Also, charfmer the edges on that handle, looks kinda blocky

If you do this we'll kill you.

[Hunter]

:toughguy:

[rossmum]

The lips look a little unnatural, as do the hips. It looks like she's got a really long upper lip, and there's something I just can't put my finger on about the hips area (and I'm not talking about the lack of anatomical correctness). But I assume her shame will be covered, so it may not matter.
six pages late, but ross to the rescue

The reason her hips look off is because a) her waist is tiny and b) her hips don't seem to smooth around into a curve across her back, or are otherwise misshapen. I generally suck at explaining these things, but if you look at the shape of a pelvis, it's a cradle (hence the name pelvic girdle). Basically, the two ends of the cradle at the upper front form the widest part, but then they curve around. It's kind of hard to tell at the angle given but as far as I can tell either it doesn't fall off into the curve soon enough, or extends too high (actually it looks like a bit of both). I don't know, that's just my guess - but yeah, something's definitely up.

As for the face, it's too sharp. She must be in her dying years if her eyes are sunken so much as to form a sharp edge on the cheekbones, either that or she has a really dodgy plastic surgeon - same story for the area around the lips. The raw geo looks more like a normal human face than the normals at the moment, smooth those transitions out.

[Pooky]

The campaign level Halo. Im looking for the original pic.
At first I was going to be like "that does not resemble a30 whatsoever"

then I realized Bungie are lazy shits using the same name for 2 completely different maps. :|

[paladin]

Lol, wasnt that a few pages back? But yeah

[Bastinka]

I like it hunter but it's missing something... can't quite say though.

[RobertGraham]

How does this look? This is my First render and working with Lighting
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/dotkito/sweetrender.png
Link to the tut I followed: Click Me (http://www.tutorialized.com/view/tutorial/Glass-Canon/39476)

I really don't know why it didn't come out transparent. I might have skipped something, I'm gonna go back and check.

[ExAm]

Well, it's shiny.

[RobertGraham]

Yes! I got it this time. I figured out what I did, but I can't do the box because I don't know how to fix it..
BTW, Never use red as a lighting...
Anyways, here are the pics.
Before Lighting
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/dotkito/Transparent-YAY.png
After Lighting
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/dotkito/Transparent-YAYII.png

Now, I don't understand why I can't select more then one object and give it different materials. Like if I set those balls to transparent, and then I want to change the box. I change the box and then it changes the balls. Can someone explain to me how to materialize more then one object?

[ExAm]

Now, I don't understand why I can't select more then one object and give it different materials. Like if I set those balls to transparent, and then I want to change the box. I change the box and then it changes the balls. Can someone explain to me how to materialize more then one object?
Maybe you've got the balls and the table as one object?

[RobertGraham]

No, they are 2, I think, I followed exactly what was in the tutorial too.

[SnaFuBAR]

set up more materials in your material menu or make a multi sub-object material and apply them where you want.

[RobertGraham]

set up more materials in your material menu or make a multi sub-object material and apply them where you want.How exactly would I do that? I am very new to Max, so I don't know all the features. I also can't find where you can set new materials.

[SnaFuBAR]

hit the M key, it'll bring up your material list.

[RobertGraham]

When I change this:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/dotkito/whenichangethis.png
This happens:
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/dotkito/thishappens.png
My box IS selected when I set the material.

[Bastinka]

What?..

[Rob Oplawar]

When you apply a material from the editor to an object, that object becomes linked to that material slot. When you change the material, you change all objects that use that material. (It's actually more complicated than that because different materials can exist in the scene that don't exist in the material editor and vice versa, but yeah...). If you want to change the material on the box but not the spheres you have to create a new material and click the "apply material to selected" button, so the box has its own material separate from the spheres.

I think that's the problem you're having; if I've totally missed what you're getting at, my bad.

[RobertGraham]

OMG, Thanks so much! This looks so sexy now!
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/dotkito/OMGYES.png

[Disaster]

There are no shadows being cast D:

[RobertGraham]

They are clear, they aren't supposed to have shadows... and the light is coming from above

or it might just be the angle

[Anton]

The shadows are canceled out by the diffuse light they give off.

Look carefully around the right sphere. There is a soft yellow-ish glow around it. (toward the bottom).

[RobertGraham]

The shadows are canceled out by the diffuse light they give off.

Look carefully around the right sphere. There is a soft yellow-ish glow around it. (toward the bottom).
hmm.. im not seeing it. Is there a way to throw a shadow down? Or do I just need to adjust the light?

[Anton]

My screen's brightness is 100% so that might be way I'm seeing the little differences in your render, such as the glow/diffused light.

I'm not sure on how to change render setting, your best bet is to just try things and look online for tutorials.

[Rob Oplawar]

iirc, if you play with the material's transparency/translucency, it will affect how strong a shadow it casts. It seems like right now it's actually working as a bit of a lens, refracting a bit of extra light down onto the surface below it.

[ExAm]

They are clear, they aren't supposed to have shadows... and the light is coming from above

or it might just be the angleAll glass objects have a shadow, due to the fact that they scatter some of the light going through them .

[Disaster]

All glass objects have a shadow, due to the fact that they scatter some of the light going through them .
^ Its not incredibly dark like a solid object though

Just set your lights to render shadows :|

[RobertGraham]

Hmm. for some reason, I have tried different angles and that didn't work. Also, how would I set up the render to show shadows?

[Corndogman]

In the "General Parameters" of your light, there is a "Shadows" section, check the "On" box.

[RobertGraham]

Its on, I don't know why its not rendering. Its probably this shitty integrated intel chipset

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/dotkito/itsondunnowhyitsnotrendering.png

E: I'll just make a Tech thread for this

[DOMINATOR]

use 3 point lighting and if your rendering transparent/translucent objects you should use ray trace.

[Hunter]

Maxwell render is ownage, but hard to use.

[kid908]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n211/kid908/unwrap2.jpg
i uv mapped my spiker. what u think? if u want wireframe on it, i can get it.

[Hunter]

Where's the texture?

Or you just added the colors so we can see the unwrap?

[teh lag]

Uh... what exactly are we supposed to be commenting on? Quite a few shapes look like they could be scaled up from what you have now, but that's really all I can tell from that picture. Without a view of the model we have no idea what's what, except the most definitive shapes like the blades. Tbh I really don't understand why people would post unwraps in the quit-crit thread unless it's an "unusual" one like for a biped. This isn't a thread for just posting progress.

[BobtheGreatII]

I really do wish unwrapping stuff was easy. :smith:

I would feel more tempted to actually give it a shot if it didn't take so long to do.

[mech]

It is easy, it just sucks to do.

[Disaster]

It is easy, it just sucks to do.
Yeah. Unwrapping is incredibly easy, it is just the most boring thing to do on a 3d model. :saddowns:

[paladin]

If its easy, please tell me how to do it so I can learn.

[Disaster]

If its easy, please tell me how to do it so I can learn.
You just have to know the tools. Your basically just mapping down the faces then stiching them together. The only "hard" part i would say about unwrapping is packing. Trying to make the most efficient layout possible from the clusters you stitched together.

[paladin]

Like I said, teach me.

[Disaster]

It's kindof hard to explain without pictures so i'll link you to a few good tutorials.

http://www.escalight.com/tutorials/3dsmax-tutorials/understanding-unwrap-uvw.html
http://waylon-art.com/uvw_tutorial/uvwtut_01.html
http://www.moddb.com/tutorials/unwrapping-in-3ds-max-for-beginners
http://www.game-artist.net/forums/vbarticles.php?do=article&articleid=38

[cheezdue]

Ok, I worked on my desert scene and changed the ground texture. Any thoughts?
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk122/cheezdue/3ds%20max%20models/desertscene2.png

[ODX]

Desert? Looks more like some rocky mountains to me, it wouldn't be that dark in the desert yet if the sun was just setting. Certainly better than anything I can do though.

[paladin]

too bumpy. make the ground smoother on the flat parts

[Chainsy]

^ The large ground texture makes it look like your close to the ground.

[ICEE]

too bumpy. make the ground smoother on the flat parts


This. Any bumps should be softer, more subtle, but definitely not perfectly smooth.

[Anton]

Is this (http://www.3dtotal.com/team/Tutorials_2/terrain/terrain_01.asp) the tutorial you're following?

If so, try figuring out how this tutorial works, then you can get more control over your geometry.

[Advancebo]

Needs some low shrubs or patches of grass/weeds. You never see an area without some kind of plant.

[Chainsy]

Arctic.

[MetKiller Joe]

Been working on this. Its still very much a WIP. Most of detailing still needs to be done along with final diffuse colors, but that's why I'm posting.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/188/metalwall06.jpg

[SnaFuBAR]

The orange strip isn't too convincing. Next to the blue, it just screams "rice burner".

Overall though, pretty interesting. But the line details in the middle area are pretty washed out.

[MetKiller Joe]

The orange strip isn't too convincing. Next to the blue, it just screams "rice burner".


I don't know what you mean by that/see it.

[JunkfoodMan]

I don't know what you mean by that/see it.

It doesn't look like a light? i dunno, thats what I got from it.

[Advancebo]

Those gray bars up in the blue strip in the top left area doesnt seem equal.

Also the middle of it where the X thing is doesnt look forerunner.

[Huero]

Arctic.

Has grass/weeds.

[jngrow]

Has grass/weeds.
There are plenty of large areas of land with no visible vegetation. There are areas in the arctic like this. Desert too (to a lesser extent)

[Chainsy]

Arctic ocean is frozen. Unless plants can grow on pure ice, you will not see anything there unless on some sort of land and only in short periods when spring hits.

[Advancebo]

Yeah but that render didnt look arctic.

[Corndogman]

Gah, it doesn't even matter people. The point is that the scene would look more interesting with some type of plant.

Metkiller, those transparent hexagonal strip patterns in the background have some lines that are pretty screwed up, not sure if that's something you're still working on but I just wanted to point it out. Besides that, I like the patters on most of your textures, you just need to work on your colors and making it look more realistic.

[DOMINATOR]

Gah, it doesn't even matter people. The point is that the scene would look more interesting with some type of plant.

Metkiller, those transparent hexagonal strip patterns in the background have some lines that are pretty screwed up, not sure if that's something you're still working on but I just wanted to point it out. Besides that, I like the patters on most of your textures, you just need to work on your colors and making it look more realistic.
the point is everyone has done that type of tutorial and it is so simple there is no point in showing renders.

[rossmum]

Full pic's not done, but I did a quick side-by-side comparison of the most complete part. I'm definitely getting better at this, as before I'd be terrified to touch hair or skin, but I've still got a ways to go.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2403/imaekedit.jpg

Any suggestions?

[DEElekgolo]

The wrinkles on the cloth looks like it is sticking out to much.

[rossmum]

It's meant to be a few sizes too large, which is why I did that, but with that in mind do you reckon I went a bit overboard?

[DEElekgolo]

Yes. The dark areas of the cloth were you try to show depth could be lighter.

[rossmum]

Thanks. I'll do some tweaking next time I open it up, see how it looks then.

[Hunter]

I agree.

[ExAm]

It looks like her clothes are wet. A few too many wrinkles, methinks, and they're a bit too uniformly sized compared with one another.

[Higuy]

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/showbizfluffy/covyfinish.png
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/showbizfluffy/covyfinish2.png
Ignore the little base, im fixing it up alot. lol

[Heathen]

It looks like her clothes are wet. A few too many wrinkles, methinks, and they're a bit too uniformly sized compared with one another.
dammit I was gonna say this.

[ThePlague]

@ higuy

High Charity eh?

[Disaster]

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii256/echo216/ar-new.jpg (http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii256/echo216/ar-new.jpg)
Working on it a bit more based on opinions received. Its been a while I know but I've been busy lately.

[teh lag]

A lot of the deeper/thicker scratches are really awkward in their placement - for example, the bottom of the grip and the front.

Otherwise, not half bad!

[Disaster]

Hmm. I'll work on those scratches tomorrow. I'm done for the day. But thanks :)

[rossmum]

The entire stock looks too much like it's metal. At most, it'd be hard synthetic, though more than likely it's synth with a rubber-like surface. The forend suffers from the same, aside from the actual bumps in it.

[Llama Juice]

http://i4.ytimg.com/bg/G3SrGuQs8vzb5tZ-gTqCIA/default.jpg

I tried to make my profile pretty on Youtube, how does it look on the site?

http://www.youtube.com/LlamaJuice

[MetKiller Joe]

I think it looks great. Definitely a great YouTube profile page template.

When I was doing research on web design, I came across what I thought was great advice. Westerners are trained to go automatically to the top left to read anything. But then again, this was for resume/portfolio websites.

[Hunter]

Disaster, needs more Hornet texture ;)

M4 Carbine:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/M4Carbine1.jpg
(Stock/Butt and Front grip attachment)
2540 Polys
6485 Tris

Work in progress. No where near finished. And before you start saying it has to many polys for ingame then dont, Because I am not modelling it for ingame use, I might make a lower poly version.

[paladin]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/825/lightmodel.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/809/lightpost.jpg

first unwrap ever. a light post model im working on.

[rossmum]

The fuck is with the trippy colours? Texported UVs are usually rainbows, but not like that...

[paladin]

i dunno whats up. i have never done it before so I dont know how/what to do.

[Rob Oplawar]

at first I thought the mc was deliberately posed like that, rather than just thrown in for scale reference. I was all ',:|

[DEElekgolo]

I think those are local XYZ coordinate colors. The unwrap isnt bad though.

[rossmum]

Drew these last night/ this morning from about 11PM to 3AM while I was waiting for my net to come back up, I gave up and went to bed after finishing the second picture. My two favourite nightfighters of the war, one of which (the 240) I'm modelling so I can get it into Il-2:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/rossmumv2/ar240.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm258/rossmumv2/mossienf.jpg

[SnaFuBAR]

some roflborked perspective going on with the cockpit/wing/tail/body alignment but the mood is good, as well as "colour".

[Disaster]

I thought the second pic was from a game at first glance :aaaaa:

[NuggetWarmer]

The moon on the first one needs to have a blue/yellow tint to it, and needs to look less like a fairytale moon. Along with that, it needs to be a little less blurry.

The clouds in the first pic could also use some more details (grey spots) like you have in the second picture.

[Reaper Man]

Great atmosphere and color, but as Snaf said, borked perspective. What could be cool is some tracers, as, how did the planes get shot down? Then again, it may make the painting too busy..

Last crit - dead-center composition, feels bad man.

[rossmum]

I usually lopside it to hell but then it feels kind of odd

The idea behind the lack of tracer is that they've already swooped in for the kill, blatted some poor sod, and blown right through the formation. I wanted it to look like they were just about heading for home, not in the midst of an attack.

[Sel]

I made a fucking lighter

http://www.hivclan.net/hivshack/images/hq5lkc7be2ttguwbem2u.jpg

look at this fucking lighter

[Rob Oplawar]

It's a fucking lighter.
vertex distribution looks shot. Lots of fine detail in some areas, but you didn't even bother to round the big surfaces. :/

[SnaFuBAR]

no flame adjustment? pay more attention to your refs! buy a lighter! :crossarms:

[Sel]

no flame adjustment? pay more attention to your refs! buy a lighter! :crossarms:

My ref was a picture. ...of all the things to not have around my house ffs.

Also first serious UVW template. (I bet I'm doing it wrong)

http://www.hivclan.net/hivshack/images/v9j8ogut1eytdx1dqvo.bmp


It's a fucking lighter.
vertex distribution looks shot. Lots of fine detail in some areas, but you didn't even bother to round the big surfaces. :/

I imposed a poly limit on myself, so I didn't add as much detail as I could. It was more of a practice to expand my horizons, after all the only thing I can model well is forerunner and halo-esque terrain.

[Newbkilla]

You could certainly use more space. Also remember your placement. Like, what parts are going to be seen the most, and which ones need the most detail. Looks good so far though, just use my advise.

[Advancebo]

Make it transparent so that you can model the internal areas.

[NuggetWarmer]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/foxymccloud/Modeling/FLAPFLAPALBOTROSS.png
WIP

Only cool kids will know what this is.

[rossmum]

An Albotross apparently, although whether it is at all related to the Albatross I am not entirely certain

:eng101:

[Pooky]

Looks kind of like a lot of generic video game starfighters tbh :S

[Advancebo]

An Albotross apparently, although whether it is at all related to the Albatross I am not entirely certain

:eng101:

o i c wat u did thar

[Heathen]

Yup, its a FLAPFLAPALBOTROSS

[NuggetWarmer]

An Albotross apparently, although whether it is at all related to the Albatross I am not entirely certain

:eng101:

Nope, put that there to fool people. :)

KM00 should know what it is.

[teh lag]

Looks like that human flier that was in the h2 beta shared.map.

You've got some pretty nasty geometry in a few places... Maybe give us a pic of how it's supposed to look in the end so we can point it out better?

[NuggetWarmer]

Looks like that human flier that was in the h2 beta shared.map.

You've got some pretty nasty geometry in a few places... Maybe give us a pic of how it's supposed to look in the end so we can point it out better?


Correct, it was called the Falcon. Oh, and I know about the bad faces. I'll fix those soon.

Here's what it's supposed to look like when it's done:
http://unexistent.net/h2b/falcon/beta108.jpg
http://unexistent.net/h2b/falcon/beta109.jpg

[Advancebo]

Not the same textures though, obviously, lol.

Since it doesnt have a texture, who ever textures it can make it how ever they want.

[Heathen]

Looks like some of this
http://supersmashbroslucky.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hidden05_080222n.jpg

[NuggetWarmer]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/foxymccloud/Modeling/Falcon.png
Almost done. Next up is error fixing, details, and the chaingun.

[Advancebo]

Can I animates?

[Newbkilla]

Yea, I see a couple of non planars. Looks pretty low poly though.

[Maniac]

I think it looks great man.

[Gwunty]

Besides a few non-planers it looks great man :)
+rep

[RobertGraham]

Here is another project I was working on. Not much though, still practice shit. Haven't had much time to sit down and do so since school started.

Anyways, enough explaining

http://fc42.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/080/4/0/Project_2_by_iTails.png

It kind of reminds me of a Rock.

Things I did.

-Bend
-Twist
-Taper

That was about it. The ground was the Glass - Translucent and the Rock looking thing was Glass - Clear. I still need to learn how to texture :S

Second Pic
http://fc82.deviantart.com/fs42/f/2009/080/3/5/Project_2_Render_2_by_iTails.png

[NuggetWarmer]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/foxymccloud/Modeling/Falcon-1.png

I need to fix one last error and get rid of the mirror line and I'll be pretty much done.

I changed the design of the gun a bit to my liking, just so you know.

EDIT: Wireframe:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/foxymccloud/Modeling/FalconWire.png

[ultama121]

I like it Nugget. So far it's turning out nice.

[NuggetWarmer]

Thanks. Too bad I have no idea how anybody would steer the thing. I think I might add some steering wheels or something.

[SnaFuBAR]

steering wheels
lol, look at dis non-pilot.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=flight+cockpit&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

something like these perhaps? :gar:

flight stick, rudder petal, throttle controls. rossfag will go more into it i'm sure.

[Reaper Man]

Don't you think it could use some sort of glass cockpit? Being exposed like that is dumb.

[Advancebo]

Maybe it hovers?

[Reaper Man]

Maybe it hovers?
Even still, would you want to be driving a vehicle that leaves you completely exposed, right in the front? Seeing as it's clearly a vehicle that was never finished by Bungie, finish it.

Also, I think that the jets rotate, I doubt it would simply hover.

[=sw=warlord]

working on my canyon map iv'e got one side reasonably drafted out, there are some parts ive not edited since making the canvas for but other than that, im rather impressed by what its turning out like.
Should i make this into a canyon or should i leave this section as it is and build on this into a full map?
Im looking at you Snafubar and Rossmum.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2db2gpu.jpg

[Advancebo]

If you leave it as it is, it would look like Peril.

[=sw=warlord]

If you leave it as it is, it would look like Peril.
Is that good or bad...?

[MetKiller Joe]

The cliffs' bumps don't look like they have a lot of variation. To me at least, it looks like organic bubble-wrap, a mite too soft for cliffs. The botton also could use some work.

[NuggetWarmer]

lol, look at dis non-pilot.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=flight+cockpit&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

something like these perhaps? :gar:

flight stick, rudder petal, throttle controls. rossfag will go more into it i'm sure.

I knew what it was called, but I couldn't remember it, and I was just too lazy to look it up.

;)


Don't you think it could use some sort of glass cockpit? Being exposed like that is dumb.

I was planning on doing that, I just need to come up with a design suitable for it.

[RobertGraham]

My attempt at making a chrome material (Torus Knot)
http://fc09.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/081/1/6/Practice_with_Materials_by_iTails.png

[JunkfoodMan]

chrome doesn't have gloss. right now it looks....off.

[Newbkilla]

Shadow's make it look retarded.. It looks like you got multiple lights, all shining from different angles.

[RobertGraham]

Shadow's make it look retarded.. It looks like you got multiple lights, all shining from different angles.
Yeah, I do, should I just use Skylight?

Also, does anyone know what the material is for Chrome?

[Jean-Luc]

Yeah, I do, should I just use Skylight?

Also, does anyone know what the material is for Chrome?

http://www.cgarena.com/freestuff/tutorials/max/chrome/index.html

[klange]

I was debating whether or not I would post this, but whatever...

http://entropy.phpwnage.com/en_001.png

Critiques? Also, any suggestions for the site (http://entropy.phpwnage.com)?

[rossmum]

working on my canyon map iv'e got one side reasonably drafted out, there are some parts ive not edited since making the canvas for but other than that, im rather impressed by what its turning out like.
Should i make this into a canyon or should i leave this section as it is and build on this into a full map?
Im looking at you Snafubar and Rossmum.
Canyon, and do something with the ground. It looks boring at the moment.


The cliffs' bumps don't look like they have a lot of variation. To me at least, it looks like organic bubble-wrap, a mite too soft for cliffs. The botton also could use some work.
this

[SnaFuBAR]

chrome doesn't have gloss.
lol, no



Should i make this into a canyon or should i leave this section as it is and build on this into a full map?
Im looking at you Snafubar and Rossmum.

Like Ross said, make a canyon. The tops of those cliffs need some kind angle between the top and side.


Is that good or bad...?
bad

I knew what it was called, but I couldn't remember it, and I was just too lazy to look it up.

;)
lol kk

[=sw=warlord]

Like Ross said, make a canyon. The tops of those cliffs need some kind angle between the top and side.

Ok, so should i make this into a Ushaped canyon with a waterfall going through the middle or as paralel cliffs?
Im just trying to get some ideas flowing so i can work on this and know im going in the correct direction with this as the last canyon work i was doing a fair few people strongly disliked.

[Roostervier]

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9723/crateengine.jpg
Made it today because I haven't made anything and actually completed it in ages, so I picked something really simple. <_<

Crit?

e: The maps.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1385/cratemaps.jpg

[paladin]

It looks really nice.

[teh lag]

It's nice but boring. I'm a bit surprised to see that it's 1024x - you don't seem to have such great definition there (especially around the chipped parts). The specular could also stand to be a bit more than just a recolored version of the diffuse; add some scratches, turn up the reflectivity... something to make it more interesting.

[Roostervier]

I was actually thinking the same thing, I might just down res all of the textures considering it would be a rather unimportant piece anyway. Or then again I could just add in more detail.

[Boba]

I think you should make an open version of the crate, as well, just do add variation.

[rossmum]

At the very least, stamp some markings across it so it isn't so monotonous. Look at all the crates in H3 - they're khaki boxes, but they're usually covered in writing and diagrams.

[ExAm]

At the very least, stamp some markings across it so it isn't so monotonous. Look at all the crates in H3 - they're khaki boxes, but they're usually covered in writing and diagrams....And they pop open when you hit them to reveal cargo webbing :eng101:

[=sw=warlord]

some more work i would like some comments on for improvement.
i've added a wireframe overlay to help distinguish the shape a bit better.
something seems wrong though.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7982/tower.png

[MetKiller Joe]

What is it?

[=sw=warlord]

What is it?
im intending it to be a hybrid forerunner antenna mix between the structures on the bridge in halowars cutscene "walk in the park" and the arial found in A30.

[MetKiller Joe]

It doesn't seem very forerunner to me. There isn't much to it, so I'm wondering if this is part of something larger? Or if that is the final product; in which case, there isn't much to crit on.

[Newbkilla]

Hardly any detail, doesn't look much forerunner, the spikes at the top are not pretty, because forerunner doesn't have points that, that.. Pointy.. So, I suggest adding some detail here and there, completing more, and remove the spikes.

[ThePlague]

Never make spikes with forerunner, just leave it round but thin. If you'd show the whole area of whatever it is you're making it'd be easier to crit. Right now it looks horribly basic and very boring. Do what Newbkilla said, add details.

[=sw=warlord]

Hardly any detail, doesn't look much forerunner, the spikes at the top are not pretty, because forerunner doesn't have points that, that.. Pointy.. So, I suggest adding some detail here and there, completing more, and remove the spikes.
the spikes are on a few of the buildings for a30_A and a30_B, which was part of the reson i did that.

[Newbkilla]

Well, it looks ugly anyway.. Fix it.

[klange]

New stuff on the thing I try to pass off as a webcomic despite lack of comic appeal (http://entropy.phpwnage.com/?fmt=jpg).

[kid908]

does this look like a real diamond? how can i improve it so it looks more...real?
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n211/kid908/diamond.png

[ThePlague]

To me it's too see-through. That's all I think is wrong with it.

[Rob Oplawar]

give it something more interesting to reflect/refract than just a grey background

[DEElekgolo]

Shadows are weird.

[SnaFuBAR]

it'll never look like a diamond unless it breaks apart the light spectrum.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4400/1sjg3.jpg

[kid908]

it'll never look like a diamond unless it breaks apart the light spectrum.

how do I make it divide white light into the visible light spectrum?(in max ofcourse).

[Rob Oplawar]

I was talking to snaf about it last night and neither of us knew if it was even possible, directly. But you can still fake it by adding strategically placed lens effects and extra lights with rainbow projection maps.

[kenney001]

cant this be achieved through caustics? correct me If I'm wrong...

[Corndogman]

Yes, I believe Caustics can be used for Jewels, as well as water and glass, as stated in the tutorial in the first post.

E: wrong thread, thought this was the tutorial thread.

[Hunter]

Had a few spare minutes and finished this off. Sight is a place holder. Should be making Pelican for Pen really but I have not got the time :(

7K. Needs to be made lower poly if anyone is going to use it in CE.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/SMG_3.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/SMG_4.jpg


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/SMG_5.jpg

[teh lag]

Your poly distribution is absolutely out of whack. The top needs some serious work - it's basically a chamfered block with stuff on it. Smooth it out dude :\

Also the handle - do you honestly thing you can fit your hand comfortably on that? The stock and back handle also need to match up; the stock could be taller while the back handle should be shorter.

I'm not really liking how the sight thing looks either.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8569/smg5u.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smg5u.jpg)

[kid908]

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/087/e/0/Diamonds_by_kid908.jpg

how about how? apperently the light spots(donno technical term for it) don't show up with glass so i'm going mess around with the ground mat to see which one works best.