End of the World?

[Chainsy]

Another little news broadcast:
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/critics-fear-collider-could-doom-earth/20080628165609990001
Apparently, some scientists are building a giant atom smasher that can show us different forms of matter and new dimesions, one problem though, people believe it might destroy earth. Basically, its saying should we risk having the earth sucked into oblivion, for the chance to discover new matter and the other supposed 7 dimesions, and also figure out why we have weight, and possibly if ghosts are real, and new forms of travel? To me it sounds like a science fiction setting, where the world gets contaminated and people travel through space and theres mutants and soldiers, ect. Anyways, discuss your opinion on this, and why or why not they should launch this thing in august.

[teh lag]

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/20/1158097.aspx


The new report, like earlier safety studies, rules out the possibility of global danger.

[Hotrod]

I have mixed feelings about this project. Yes, if it does work, so many breakthroughs would happen, but, if it failed, and we all did die, then that would really suck (for the lack of a better term). And yes, it really does seem like a science fiction setting, but, isn't science fiction based on our current times in a way? What we know as fiction could become reality.

[Con]

I don't get what people are all hyped up about, it just comes from not understanding what the thing does. Anyway, this thing's been under construction for a long time, I'm surprised some people have never heard of it before.

[ima_from_America]

They've done this experiment before, if it was possible it would've already happened.

[InnerGoat]

It's going to produce strangelets and those will destroy the earth.

nothing bad happens. some people thought the atomic bomb would destroy the world once detonated, lol

[jcap]

It's not impossible, it's just highly improbable.

There's several other atom smashers in the world; this one is just the biggest. As Conscars said, the only ones who are truly afraid of it are the poorly educated. Most of the panic over this is caused by word getting down the grapevine of a machine that could potentially destroy the world. It's depressing that there's actually so much fear over this that groups want to prevent the experiments from taking place.

[ICEE]

I'm excited for this. Who knows what scientific breakthroughs will be made? I'd really like some teleportation going around here amirite? But if it did kill us all, we'd all be dead so instantly we wouldn't even feel the pain or fear. I'd be willing to go that way

[Hotrod]

After reading the second article, it seems as though only good can come out of this. I hope that this solves our many problems that we have, such as pollution, and energy sources, maybe even hunger.

[Kornman00]

2008 < 2012, so we r still safe

[Ifafudafi]

Personally, if we figure out even anything we didn't know before (no matter how small or insignificant) I'll consider this a success, but I'm crossing my fingers for something big. Teleportation is a possibility, or maybe some other type of matter with interesting applicable properties.

[rossmum]

I do so love how blindly people believe the media.

HUR GUYS HUEG ATUM SMASHER GON END WURLD

[nooBBooze]

e: cocks

[Pope]

2008 < 2012, so we r still safe

Mayan Calander...I see what you did thar.

[Ki11a_FTW]

:gonk: SPOILER TAGS PLEASE!

[cheezdue]

My feelings for it are a bit shaky, sure discovering new dimensions are nice but I have a bad feelings about it though

[Gamerkd16]

I do so love how blindly people believe the media.

HUR GUYS HUEG ATUM SMASHER GON END WURLD
I'm surprised TheOnion hasn't blown this story out of proportion yet. It would seem to be a likely target.

[Rob Oplawar]

I seem to recall reading that these sort of high energy collisions occur all the time in the upper atmosphere. I also seem to recall that by their very nature, micro-black-holes are very short lived, and decay almost instantaneously.
I'm very interested in seeing what the Large Hadron Collider reveals about the inner workings of the universe. I am very confident that all you :tinfoil:s out there will not prevent the people who know what they're talking about from making tremendously valuable discoveries with this new tool.


Of course, you know, I'm actually in on the conspiracy, and the reason none of us who are in on it are concerned is because we'll be retreating to the black-hole-proof bunker on the moon before activating it and killing all you chumps. Have fun on the B-Ark! Now, time to go make a call on a pay phone...[/tangent]

[Chainsy]

I for one, am just as excited, but deep down, just because someone mentioned it, you cant help but wonder. Its out of curiosity and a mixed feeling of fear of what would happen if it did destroy us. No one has ever been sucked into a black hole before, but the gravity is so intense it would most definetely crush us. But, scientist are human too, and can make mistakes. I seem to remember when one man said the earth was round and everyone scoffed at him. But anyways, I believe this will be an amazing break through, but I wanted to just hear yalls opinion on this whole thing. Its just the fear of the unknown, that scares the closed mind people. Its always been like that, people fear the unknown, just like the dark, were not scared of it, were scared of what lies in it. Same with death, were not exactly scared of it, but what happens to us after it and during it.

[ultama121]

Just like Y2K shut off all of those computers and made cars stop working! :tinfoil:

[Xetsuei]

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5052/cernlhct2030shighwn3.jpg

Hooooly shit.

It would be awesome to be there when the collisions start.

[SnaFuBAR]

Oh my God. I wonder how much bigger this one is in comparison to those of the 40's.

[Chainsy]

Its supposed to be 7 miles long in total. Anyways I can already predict someone making a "I MAH FIRIN MAH LAZERR!' joke out this thing, as it does look like a giant lazer, though nothing will actually be inside the center, itll be in the circles themselves.

[SnaFuBAR]

7 miles long wtf

[Chainsy]

Oops, typo, meant to say 17 miles in circumfrence.

Scientists have been working for a generation to build the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) particle collider, called the largest science experiment in history. It consists of a ring of supercooled magnets 17 miles in circumference, buried 330 feet below the French-Swiss border.

Also:
OHSHI-
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/1chains1/cernlhct2030shighwn3.jpg

[Rob Oplawar]

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/aug/the-biggest-thing-in-physics/collider3_lg.jpg
I'll admit, if there ever was a doomsday device, this sure looks like it.

[Ifafudafi]

Wait, "Large Hadron Collider"?

That sounds like "Large Hard-on Collider".

Looks to me like less atom-smasher and more gay-sex-machine.

[Chainsy]

What if the Swiss are just saying its a science experiment when its really a doomsday device that can destroy mankind!?!?
I can already forsee what will come...
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn229/1chains1/newspaper.jpg

[ICEE]

uh dont you mean the sweds?

[Xetsuei]

Its supposed to be 7 miles long in total. Anyways I can already predict someone making a "I MAH FIRIN MAH LAZERR!' joke out this thing, as it does look like a giant lazer, though nothing will actually be inside the center, itll be in the circles themselves.

What the fuck are you talking about? ...

[ExAm]

If it were possible for this thing to destroy Earth, then Earth would have been sucked up long ago by events caused by particle collisions in the upper atmosphere.

EDIT: DAMN YOU ROB :mad:

[Chainsy]

Xetsuei™;270333']What the fuck are you talking about? ...
Nothing will go in the center, see those tubes, it travels in there.
Quote from the link I posted in the first post: (note: TO FULLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO READ ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.)
"When the LHC is finally at full power, two beams of protons will race around the huge ring 11,000 times a second in opposite directions. They will travel in two tubes about the width of fire hoses, speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space.

Their trajectory will be curved by supercooled magnets - to guide the beams around the rings and prevent the packets of protons from cutting through the surrounding magnets like a blowtorch.

The paths of these beams will cross, and a few of the protons in them will collide, at a series of cylindrical detectors along the ring. The two largest detectors are essentially huge digital cameras, each weighing thousands of tons, capable of taking millions of snapshots a second"

As stated above, there will be nothing in the center, its just that the magnets are curved, and they form large circles which form a cylinder, but nothing will be inside the cylinder itself, obviously because its exposed to the outside and air, and the results could be deadly.

[Rob Oplawar]

don't you love it when people think they know what they're talking about?

[Chainsy]

Hmm..seems I quoted a reliable news source there buddy. If your talking about it being exposed to air which I mentioned, in this experiment things such as particles in the air and the air itself could mess up the whole experiment, as the variables will be constantly changing, inside a vaccum under controlled level is the only way the data would be accurate or safe. If theres a gaping hole, those micro black holes that might occur would get out into the open and could cause some harm since theyre now out of the machine and have obviously slowed down. I dont need to know about the experiment, all I need to have is common sense, and read the article to at least know this much. So, theres no reason to insult me for reading an article and basing common sense off the whole matter. So please, I dont want this topic locked like my last one. :\

[Xetsuei]

Nothing will go in the center, see those tubes, it travels in there.
Quote from the link I posted in the first post: (note: TO FULLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO READ ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.)

Dude that's completely wrong...holy shit. Why the fuck would they make it like that if it were just to go in those tubes. Wouldn't it make much more sense to make it SMALLER if thats really where the particles went? Precisely. No shit they go through the center. I don't know where you saw they went through the tubes. :confused:

EDIT: sKc you COMPLETELY read that wrong. Read it again, and actually use your brain to figure out what they're saying. E: AND COMMON SENSE.

[Bodzilla]

Prepare for unforeseen, consequences...

wake up, and smell the ash's.

[Syuusuke]

Literally~!

This, I think is pretty awesome, I'd love to be there when they smash happens.

[Chainsy]

"When the LHC is finally at full power, two beams of protons will race around the huge ring 11,000 times a second in opposite directions. They will travel in two tubes about the width of fire hoses, speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space."
Enlighten me then, how this means theyll be traveling through the center of the rings? Im not saying your wrong, and Im not saying Im right, but so far all of you have been insulting me, but not saying exactly how I am wrong, and how I misunderstood it. Of course Im going to be annoyed, if you wont even take the time to explain why Im wrong and how its supposed to be understood. I dont want to fight, but at least tell me how Im wrong.

[Xetsuei]

Think about it more and then try to answer again.

[Reaper Man]

Well, seeing the way things are going now, we're fucked anyway. I doubt that this collider will destroy the earth, but hey, if it does, at least we go out in an awesome, multidimensional explosion. :downs:

[Kornman00]

It is not a big truck....


ITS A SERIES OF TUBES <:mad:>!

[DrunkenSamus]

Prepare for unforeseen, consequences...

wake up, and smell the ash's.

Not black holes, not oblivion, but the G-Man.

[Terin]

It's not impossible, it's just highly improbable. Although I will admit that the possibility of a resonance cascade scenario is extremely unlikely...

Ohshi-

LOOK WHAT SCIENCE HAS DONE. :gonk:

[ima_from_America]

Now, if you would be so kind as to turn on the rotors...

[Good_Apollo]

Didn't know if this was worth starting another thread, but does anyone else find this interesting (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6879293.ece)? I know the LHC is still alive in popular debate as it's scheduled to startup operations again in November.

[Trulife8342]

This is bullshit! I'm so upset! I thought the world was supposed to end a year ago...dammit.

[NuggetWarmer]

I'm excited for this. Who knows what scientific breakthroughs will be made? I'd really like some teleportation going around here amirite? But if it did kill us all, we'd all be dead so instantly we wouldn't even feel the pain or fear. I'd be willing to go that way

They figured out teleportation of small objects and very small animals. However, they can't get anything bigger than that, otherwise the molecules don't come back together.

[Trulife8342]

Wait what? Seriously?

[OmegaDragon]

If I were the one in charge of the LHC schedule I would schedule the re-start up date to December 21st 2012, then proceed with epic lulz as people panic.

Also in the matter of teleportation, think of it this way; the first time you go in, you die. On the other end comes out an exact copy of you, which is not you.

[Con]

They figured out teleportation of small objects and very small animals. However, they can't get anything bigger than that, otherwise the molecules don't come back together.
sauce or stfu

[mech]

They figured out teleportation of small objects and very small animals. However, they can't get anything bigger than that, otherwise the molecules don't come back together.

This is complete horse shit. Shoving a bird through a tube and blowing in the other side isn't teleportation, sorry :ugh:

[PopeAK49]

It's not impossible, it's just highly improbable.

As Conscars said, the only ones who are truly afraid of it are the poorly educated.

Ya but they even the smartest scientest didn't know what to expect when they tested the atom bomb. But we now we know better then that. Right?

In all seriousness though, this is not going to end the world.

[NuggetWarmer]

ok, so my info was a bit skewed. I apologize.

BUT

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1874760,00.html

[Cojafoji]

I, for one, welcome our new LHC overlord...

[Trulife8342]

All hail the LHC Overlord!

[Sel]

The LHC, they suggest, may be sabotaging itself from the future — twisting time to generate a series of scientific setbacks that will prevent the machine fulfilling its destiny.

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[Good_Apollo]

Yeah it's saying the particle they are trying to make (if it's made) forces it's way back in time to undo it's creation (paradox..) so essentially they're saying that's why it's had so many problems.

[Sel]

then were already fucked

been nice knowin y'all

[Cojafoji]

for any of you actually interested in what the team is trying to observe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

[Sanctus]

With exception to Coj, I don't know what you guys are talking about. I thought they were trying to discover the "God Particle" or Higgs Boson. It's the particle that gives all other particles mass. I've never heard of a time paradox related to it.

[=sw=warlord]

then were already fucked

been nice knowin y'all
Wheres doctor manhattan when you need him.
But seriously there is no law which directly says you cannot travel time and since it is interwoven in space it is theoreticly possible to travel time just as much as it is space.
If it turns out to be true i would be very interested in how works.
I for one welcome the time we learn new things about physics from the LHC.

[Good_Apollo]

With exception to Coj, I don't know what you guys are talking about. I thought they were trying to discover the "God Particle" or Higgs Boson. It's the particle that gives all other particles mass. I've never heard of a time paradox related to it.
That's because it seems nobody bothered to read the article I bumped this thread to post...

[Cojafoji]

That's because it seems nobody bothered to read the article I bumped this thread to post...

No, it's because the article you posted was beyond retarded.


According to Nielsen, it means that the creation of the boson at some point in the future would then ripple backwards through time to put a stop to whatever it was that had created it in the first place.
:ugh:


But you could explain it by saying that God rather hates Higgs particles and attempts to avoid them.
:ugh:

The scientific staff of CERN vs. two theoretical physicists. I wonder who's right...

[Corndogman]

I did, its some pretty interessin' stuff. It'll be kinda weird if it fails again next time they start it up. Sounds like something out of an episode of Eureka tbh.

E: The last one was obviously a joke Coji.

[kid908]

Wheres doctor manhattan when you need him.
But seriously there is no law which directly says you cannot travel time and since it is interwoven in space it is theoreticly possible to travel time just as much as it is space.
If it turns out to be true i would be very interested in how works.
I for one welcome the time we learn new things about physics from the LHC.

Time travel is possible, but It'll prob be information encoded atoms and particles. Time travel only goes back to the time that the machine is turned on and no further back. So basicly, you can send information back to the past, but only to when you first turn on the machine and upward.

I also believe the machine have to be continually active and can't be turned off. If it was turned off, the new time limit would be the time it restarted.

That's the current theory for time travel. The machine it self is a tunnel of photon (correct me if I'm wrong, This part is very faint in my mind).

[Good_Apollo]

No, it's because the article you posted was beyond retarded.


:ugh:


:ugh:

The scientific staff of CERN vs. two theoretical physicists. I wonder who's right...Most of what physicists talk about is theoretical, the higgs boson itself is theoretical yet CERN is attempting to make it. Why do you trust CERN more? :allears:

[Botolf]

That's because it seems nobody bothered to read the article I bumped this thread to post...
You didn't really mention this part:


James Gillies, a trained physicist who heads Cern’s communications department, said Nielsen’s idea was an interesting theory “but we know it doesn’t happen in reality”. He explained that if Nielsen’s predictions were correct then whatever was stopping the LHC would also be stopping high-energy rays hitting the atmosphere. Since scientists can directly detect many such rays, “Nielsen must be wrong”, said Gillies.
He and others also believe that although such ideas have an element of fun, they risk distracting attention from the far more amazing ideas that the LHC will tackle once it gets going.

IIRC they've known about cosmic rays and our atmosphere and the resulting funkiness for quite a while, and the LHC is kind of an attempt to get a controlled look at the same sort of phenomena.

[Sanctus]

Well it isn't a question about trust. (I don't trust anyone attempting to answer ontological questions by smashing photons together near the speed of light). There just isn't anything to support the claim that creating a Higgs Boson would cause a ripple effect through time, nor that it even exists. And who said they had to create it in the first place, I thought they were just trying to discover it?

[Botolf]

Well it isn't a question about trust. (I don't trust anyone attempting to answer ontological questions by smashing photons together near the speed of light). There just isn't anything to support the claim that creating a Higgs Boson would cause a ripple effect through time, nor that it even exists. And who said they had to create it in the first place, I thought they were just trying to discover it?
Well, the article does cite some kind of mathematical support, but that cannot replace good experimentation.

This theory is technically falsifiable, because it makes predictions ("we will fail to discover the Higgs boson because it'll cancel itself out"). If the Higgs is discovered or is ruled out, like the ideas of luminous aethers and humours, then this theory will have been falsified. So the idea is not wholly unscientific.

[jcap]

Time travel would not be possible unless to another parallel universe.

If today I were to travel back in time to 1 year ago, I would be living in the present after the time travel happened, so the present would have been affected and it would not be happening. They would cancel each other out.

[Cortexian]

Time travel would not be possible unless to another parallel universe.

If today I were to travel back in time to 1 year ago, I would be living in the present after the time travel happened, so the present would have been affected and it would not be happening. They would cancel each other out.
Yes, because you know how time travel works. It's a common occurrence for all of us human beings and our super advanced technology right?

You can't say "this will happen" without facts and since we are far far away from the point where we actually know how time travel works, you should all stop discussing impossibilities!

[Rook]

Yes, because you know how time travel works. It's a common occurrence for all of us human beings and our super advanced technology right?

You can't say "this will happen" without facts and since we are far far away from the point where we actually know how time travel works, you should all stop discussing impossibilities!

i rode on jcap's time machine spaceship with him don't question

[Cagerrin]

The problem with assuming that time travel deals with a single universe is that you must then believe said universe to be perfectly willing to, and capable of, creating paradoxes that break its own rules.

:raise:

[Good_Apollo]

The problem with assuming that time travel deals with a single universe is that you must then believe said universe to be perfectly willing to, and capable of, creating paradoxes that break its own rules.

:raise:People used to think flying was impossible, I don't think the Universe has rules, just barriers we've not yet been able to break.

[=sw=warlord]

Time travel would not be possible unless to another parallel universe.

If today I were to travel back in time to 1 year ago, I would be living in the present after the time travel happened, so the present would have been affected and it would not be happening. They would cancel each other out.
That's gotta be the most uninformed comment ive seen from you.
Time is interwoven with space and just with space it can be traveled.
Just because you cannot understand or comprehend such a thing does not mean it is not true.
Hell galileo got scrutinized because he found other planets in the solar system because everyone at the time believed something completely differently.
Guess who was right...


The problem with assuming that time travel deals with a single universe is that you must then believe said universe to be perfectly willing to, and capable of, creating paradoxes that break its own rules.

:raise:

not nessarcarily.
it could be possible something else will show up that wasn't seen before either by purpose or just not seen before and take what ever you changed's place.
for instance jfk didnt get shot and killed he could carry on and still be superseeded by another president later on.
If for instance someone went back into time and tried killing their grandfather it could be possible that something happens preventing such a thing maybe they get killed while their there or the gun misfires or dosn't work, or even in the fight they slip and basicly kill themselves.
Yeah...ive watched alot of documentaries and spoken to a few people with degrees in physics about this over the years...

[annihilation]

A woman can go murder her grandmother and get away with it before her mother is conceived. How? If you go into the past and kill your grandmother then your mother will not be born therfor you will not be born making the your time travel non existant because you were not alive to go back in time and kill your grandmother yet.

[=sw=warlord]

A woman can go murder her grandmother and get away with it before her mother is conceived. How? If you go into the past and kill your grandmother then your mother will not be born therfor you will not be born making the your time travel non existant because you were not alive to go back in time and kill your grandmother yet.
Im fairly sure the way it was described to me is that something or someone else would end up balencing it all out.
Like if you took the water out of the bottom of a bowl the rest would fill in and fill that spot.
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For those wondering about freewill, i seem to remember someone from college telling me that alot of time things people do will be a predetermined response of instance, a certain amount of time doing nothing you will then move to try do something or you are offered a game of pool if you "enjoy" pool and have spare time chances are you will accept the offer.

[Dwood]

What if

Pinocchio said his nose was about to grow?

[=sw=warlord]

What if

Pinocchio said his nose was about to grow?
Then freelancer would stop posting.

[FreedomFighter7]

Have these scientists never heard of Probability vs Consequences? Its a fundamental part of engineering! When you engineer a building you build it based on this, whether the possibility of it happening outweighs the implications of the result of something going wrong. No matter the odds this to me sounds like a bad idea.

PS: yes I know its already built but I wanted to say that.

[=sw=warlord]

Look at it this way if something does go wrong and switzerland is turned into a giant crater we have a place to store all the excess water from global warming, two birds one stone.:v:

[FreedomFighter7]

Correct me if I'm wrong about this but this is about the Large Hadron Collider right?

If a blackhole does develop and stays too long and ends up falling to the planets center there won't be some huge crater, it will be the end of the world. We may have months to live before the entire planet caves in on itself. During that time entire regions may collapse, the weakened crust will produce volcanoes everywhere at random. Gravity will double. That last fact alone will have serious repercussions on all of mans man made structures.

[jcap]

I watch the Science Channel all the time with documentaries and specials that constantly deal with this shit. Maybe I shouldn't have blatantly said "impossible", but rather illogical or nonsensical. What I was saying was really not all that technical, but just something that was a logical concept. Assuming you are in the same stream of time, if you were to go back in time, you would prevent yourself from even needing the time machine at all. If you change the past, then the present would no longer exist where you would go back and change the past. Any change would have already happened to the present, so there would be no way for any time travel to happen in the present. The same would go for if we could even see our futures. If you saw when and where you were going to die, you would be seeing that happen after you already found out how you would die, so no matter what you would do to prevent it, you would ultimately end up causing it. :mindfuck:

About your theory of someone else balancing it out: If that would really happen, then that affect would have already influenced the future. With your analogy of the water filling in the hole at a bottom of a bowl, now the entire water level is lower. Even though that filled in the gap, now everything else still changed.

Also, with my response, I'm not posting a correct argument to yours - I'm challenging the problems I see in it.

[PopeAK49]

The government would never let people know when the world will end. They would of kept this project top secret if they knew it would possibly be a threat to humanity. If they knew a giant asteroid was heading towards earth they would never let the people know about it. It wasn't until that asteroid hit jupitar in which the government let news out. Everything is being studied by top men....top....men. :realsmug:

[rossmum]

help science is destroying the earth!!!!!!!!11!!
shut up, you know literally nothing

[=sw=warlord]

shut up, you know literally nothing
It's the same bullshit these days as it was back in the dark ages "you can't do that we don't know what you did so we are going to call it witchcraft."

[Neuro Guro]

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[Trulife8342]

Sometimes I really question the intellectuality of some members here. Ok the LHC is trying to recreate the same situation that happened .0002 seconds after the big bang, and figure out what particles formed this universe. If you are saying that the LHC is going to create a black hole or a mini black hole then you sir need to go back to science class, If that were the case than none of us would be here and right after those two pieces of mass smashed together (The big bang not the LHC simulation) it just would've made a giant black hole -_-...

[Good_Apollo]

Sometimes I really question the intellectuality of some members here. Ok the LHC is trying to recreate the same situation that happened .0002 seconds after the big bang, and figure out what particles formed this universe. If you are saying that the LHC is going to create a black hole or a mini black hole then you sir need to go back to science class, If that were the case than none of us would be here and right after those two pieces of mass smashed together (The big bang not the LHC simulation) it just would've made a giant black hole -_-...Then again, you assume that we have a complete understanding of how everything works in the universe. Hard to say when we still don't even have a clue how gravity, something so simple to witness, works.

I don't necessarily think 'omg we're going to die' but I just don't have 100% faith that we understand as much as we think we do with such abstract concepts.

[TeeKup]

Then again, you assume that we have a complete understanding of how everything works in the universe. Hard to say when we still don't even have a clue how gravity, something so simple to witness, works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation

I sincerely hope that helps.

[Dwood]

Concentrated mass creates gravity.

There. You understand now?

teek. Why'd you have to ninja me?

[TeeKup]

Concentrated mass creates gravity.

There. You understand now?

teek. Why'd you have to ninja me?

I couldn't help it, his stupidity made me angry.

[jcap]

No...actually...we really do not know what causes gravity.

All you have to do is watch the first 1/8 of any documentary on the universe (more specifically on String Theory) to understand why the "law" of Gravity is a problem.

Watch hour 1: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

[=sw=warlord]

No...actually...we really do not know what causes gravity.

All you have to do is watch the first 1/8 of any documentary on the universe (more specifically on String Theory) to understand why the "law" of Gravity is a problem.
Are you saying the first thing we started studying under the name of science and have been studying ever since and that we know nothing about it?
I think Lord Newton would like a word with you.
Im pretty sure the LHC will be testing out knowledge of gravity as well as pretty much every physics law known.

[Good_Apollo]

There's a lot we don't know. (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.02/bigquestions.html?pg=3)

I also think it's pretty bad that we have people saying that when we are able to observe something enough that we can predict it, means we understand it.

[Trulife8342]

Being able to know an outcome of an effect means you understand it... Did you pass physics? And while you are right that there is much we don't know about the universe doesn't mean we know nothing at all. We know enough that an explosion does not directly create a black hole (the particles and planets and stars that are formed from an explosion in which they one day explode causes black holes) But seeing as its only 2 particles of an extremely minuscule mass all it will do is tell us what particles are released from the explosion, not create a mini-universe. If you want that shit go watch the SyFy channel bro.

[Good_Apollo]

Being able to know an outcome of an effect means you understand itWut. :smith:

[CrAsHOvErRide]

I love how everyone in this thread pretends to know everything...we all here are just talking on such an inferior level that anything stated in here concerning science has no real value.

Just a bunch of Baptists talking about Dinosaurs. :P

[=sw=warlord]

Wut. :smith:
You need to understand something in order to realise the outcome of what will happen

I love how everyone in this thread pretends to know everything...we all here are just talking on such an inferior level that anything stated in here concerning science has no real value.

Just a bunch of Baptists talking about Dinosaurs. :P

Someone shoot him...
Please.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

Someone shoot him...
Please.
How about you stop shitposting and explain gravity to all of us since you know everything about it?

Science is not definite and uses models to describe what is happening around us. These models start to fail as jcap mentioned when you look at it at a smaller/bigger scale.

So what is wrong about saying that none of us in this thread is a science professor and all the talk in here is really on a virtual inferior level since we all get our knowledge from some type of media.

Everything stated in here can be / or is as wrong as it could be / is right.

[=sw=warlord]

How about you stop shitposting and explain gravity to all of us since you know everything about it?

Science is not definite and uses models to describe what is happening around us. These models start to fail as jcap mentioned when you look at it at a smaller/bigger scale.

So what is wrong about saying that none of us in this thread is a science professor and all the talk in here is really on a virtual inferior level since we all get our knowledge from some type of media.

Everything stated in here can be / or is as wrong as it could be / is right.
When did i say i knew everything?
Please quote me as i wish to see this.
Gravity, last i remember is caused by a ripple in the fabric of space and time in which objects fall towards the object with mass.
Imagine a sheet of rubber and you placed a object, the sheet would then draw tought making a circular indent, this is the ripple i mentioned and because of this ripple anything caught in the area of the ripple falls towards what is causing it.
Greater the ripple the harder it is for objects to move due to the density, this also affects time, there is a point where gravity can become so strong that not even photons the fastest known traveling particles can escape in other words you gain a "black hole".
It helps to know a friend or two who has degrees in physics.
Ugh, its 00:33, im off to bed now, i might reword this tomorrow/later but if anyone understood what i said good for em.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

Wow...I'm really sorry but you still did not get the point.

Let me try to clarify:


Apple falls down.

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Apple is made out of atoms.

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Gravity is the force that attracts atoms to one another.
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Gravity Leaks...blah blah
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Gravity, last i remember is caused by a ripple in the fabric of space and time in which objects fall towards the object with mass.
Imagine a sheet of rubber and you placed a object, the hseet would then draw tought making a circular indent, this is the ripple i mentioned and because of this ripple anything caught in the area of the ripple falls towards what is causing it.
Greater the ripple the harder it is for objects to move due to the density, this also affects time, there is a point where gravity can become so strong that not even photons the fastest known traveling particles can escape in other words you gain a "black hole".
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?

We move from model to model and nothing is like I already stated not definite. Conclusively no one can state that his theory is righter / wronger and by that we are all talking on a virtual level. Who knows how long your model will last until another one proves it wrong.

[=sw=warlord]

Im pretty sure these days the consensus is that atoms are held together by a electrical bond not just by gravity.
I will look up a video i saw not too long ago hopefully it will be the full 2 hour thing so you can fully take in what im trying to say.
Im no expert but i would like to think i have got some working understanding of physics considering i have spent a while looking into it and spoken to people who have spent 9+ hours a day 5 days a week studying this for their degrees.

[Good_Apollo]

You guys should win some nobel prizes up in here for your theories on gravity.

Chumps are holding out on the scientific community. I dropped a pen just now, gimmeh because I understand gravity.

[=sw=warlord]

You guys should win some nobel prizes up in here for your theories on gravity.

Chumps are holding out on the scientific community. I dropped a pen just now, gimmeh because I understand gravity.
Not my theory, sorry.
Im going by what is currently the hypothesis on gravity physics as well as what is being taught in higher education colleges.
As i said im off to bed.
Shadowspartan if you wish to comment please do so im sure you will have something to say, hopefully you will be on the same line as me.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

Im pretty sure these days the consensus is that atoms are held together by a electrical bond not just by gravity.
I will look up a video i saw not too long ago hopefully it will be the full 2 hour thing so you can fully take in what im trying to say.
Im no expert but i would like to think i have got some working understanding of physics considering i have spent a while looking into it and spoken to people who have spent 9+ hours a day 5 days a week studying this for their degrees.

I'm so sorry that you still not get my point. Oh well enough derailing. I am going to stop here.

[FreedomFighter7]

The government would never let people know when the world will end. They would of kept this project top secret if they knew it would possibly be a threat to humanity. If they knew a giant asteroid was heading towards earth they would never let the people know about it. It wasn't until that asteroid hit jupitar in which the government let news out.

The government might try to hide the fact that the world was coming to an end, but the thing is the government can't keep a secret. Aside from various aerospace and weapons projects, the leadership cannot keep a secret. Those projects remain secret because the people involved are bound by law to keep it secret, and they have been carefully picked by the government to keep that information secret and make sure that they are not spies or someone likely to leak info.

I learned this from a very informative, educational television program. It makes sense to me, its how police suspects in jails names get leaked, its how we find out in the news something secret about the government.

Due to the freedom of the press, any person in the know can come forward to it. They can spout information and remain anonymous, thanks to the press. The press can keep that person from becoming discovered. Ever wonder how you hear about so and so anonymous and some insider information through the news? This is IT.

This program that I watched was also how I learned what would happen if such a blackhole would reach the earths core and doom us all. I simply want to keep the source secret for my own reasons.


If you are saying that the LHC is going to create a black hole or a mini black hole then you sir need to go back to science class, If that were the case than none of us would be here and right after those two pieces of mass smashed together (The big bang not the LHC simulation) it just would've made a giant black hole -_-...

Maybe you never got the news from the official news sources. The national/international press sources. They said that it was the concern of some very smart qualified people that the LHC could create blackholes. They said that if the LHC did they would be small, and would most likely disappear within a few seconds to minutes. The concern was that they would last longer and eventually settle to the earths core.


I don't know if religious status equates to intelligence, that sounds like flame bait or something you made up just to ridicule others. But I happen to have Aspergers, I'm a very smart person as people with the syndrome happen to be and I personally do not believe in a god, religion, whatever, but I wanted to say that about Probability vs Consequences, I don't think anyone else knew about that. I remain neutral, I think it is quite a risk, but the rewards such as new forms of travel and other things is very very cool.

[jcap]

Ugh,

This thread.

Warlord, watch at least the first hour of this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

[Good_Apollo]

Not my theory, sorry.
Im going by what is currently the hypothesis on gravity physics as well as what is being taught in higher education colleges.
As i said im off to bed.
Shadowspartan if you wish to comment please do so im sure you will have something to say, hopefully you will be on the same line as me.So you are admitting to me that we don't know how gravity works?

Why do people always forget that theories and hypothesis aren't facts or laws. Even laws are objectionable depending on who accepts them. Some people seem to see this as I'm attacking science or something, I'm not...we've come to understand many things about the universe but stop pretending like we know it all just because we have abstract theories and concepts that are generally accepted by the community, that doesn't mean it's right, just probable.

To consider current knowledge or beliefs to be the end all be all, we become ignorant to further learning.

[cheezdue]

To much science for me to understand. D:

[Trulife8342]

Even though saying we don't understand gravity is a bit harsh. I must give credit when you guys state that it is a theory which by definition means it is not fact.

Now as every member of a respectable forum should do, I am going to apologize and retract my statement for I stand corrected.

[Gwunty]

itt:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5858/sciencenz4.jpg

[=sw=warlord]

So you are admitting to me that we don't know how gravity works?

Why do people always forget that theories and hypothesis aren't facts or laws. Even laws are objectionable depending on who accepts them. Some people seem to see this as I'm attacking science or something, I'm not...we've come to understand many things about the universe but stop pretending like we know it all just because we have abstract theories and concepts that are generally accepted by the community, that doesn't mean it's right, just probable.

To consider current knowledge or beliefs to be the end all be all, we become ignorant to further learning.
In theory, that if you jumped off a 200 foot cliff to a ground with jagged rocks you will die.
I said we have been studying science for the past what 300 years?
Yes science changes all the time but i also said that the LHC will help determine which ideas and theories are correct.
And jcap, that is the video i mentioned about.
String theory is very interesting and all but at the moment there isnt really all that much evidence behind it where as the thing i've mentioned has got alot of tangible evidence and is the current, note:current consensus.

[jcap]

I'm not preaching string theory to you - I'm telling you that there's a problem with gravity which is the reason string theory is in development. The first hour of that documentary does a good job at explaining the problems. If you want to skip straight to the part where they start talking about it, go to part 3 or 4.

Also, just because "if you jumped off a 200 foot cliff to a ground with jagged rocks you will die," that doesn't explain gravity. That just means a gravitational force exists. We don't know the actual reason for gravity, because if we did, then we would be able to use the same laws for atoms, understand black holes, and we would have the theory of everything which would explain all of the fundamental forces in nature.

(And if you want to start talking about probability, then that's getting all into quantum mechanics. Theoretically, there are no rules that really govern how particles of matter act. They behave erratically and random, but they are predictable. In other words, if you knock on a door, you predict that your hand will bounce off and vibrate the door; however, there is also a chance that it could go straight through the door.)

[Cojafoji]

Why we're having a hard time understanding gravity: because IC 1101 exists.

No but seriously, just joshing.