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ExAm
July 14th, 2008, 03:37 AM
Nonononono, not alien flying saucers...



http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/FEDCC95A-A7D6-1F77-098CBC9B7BCD6F92_1.jpgIf a professor at the University of Florida (http://www.ufl.edu/) (U.F.) has his way, the first flying saucer to grace Planet Earth's skies isn't likely to come from outer space but rather from Gainesville, where the faculty member is drawing up plans (http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/fetch.jsp?SEARCH_IA=US2007074874&DBSELECT=PCT&C=00&TOTAL=81&IDB=0&TYPE_FIELD=256&SERVER_TYPE=19-00&SORT=41227222-KEY&QUERY=pa%2Funiversity+AND+DP%2F07%2F02%2F2008&START=1&ELEMENT_SET=BASICHTML-ENG&RESULT=12&DISP=25&FORM=SEP-0%2FHITNUM%2CB-ENG%2CDP%2CMC%2CAN%2CPA%2CABSUM-ENG&IDOC=1320951&IA=US2007074874&LANG=ENG&DISPLAY=DESC) to build a circular aircraft that can hover in the air like a helicopter without any moving parts or fuel.

In other words, it will look like a UFO, but will actually be more of an IFO—an identified flying object.

The saucer will hover and propel itself using electrodes that cover its surface to ionize the surrounding air into plasma. Gases (such as air, which has an equal number of positive and negative charges) become plasma (http://www.plasmacoalition.org/what.htm) when energy (such as heat or electricity) causes some of the gas's atoms to lose their negatively charged electrons, creating atoms with a positive charge, or positive ions, surrounded by the newly detached electrons. Using an onboard source of energy (such as a battery, ultracapacitor (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-dark-horse-in-race-to), solar panel (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ibm-hp-intel-solar-power) or any combination thereof), the electrodes will send an electrical current into the plasma, causing the plasma to push against the neutral (noncharged) air surrounding the craft, theoretically generating enough force for liftoff and movement in different directions (depending on where on the craft's surface you direct the electrical current).

The concept sounds far-fetched, but U.F. mechanical and aerospace engineering associate professor Subrata Roy (http://www.mae.ufl.edu/facultylist/ShowData.php?ID=91) plans to have a mini model ready to demonstrate his theory within the next year.

At six inches (15.2 centimeters) in diameter, the device, which Roy calls a "wingless electromagnetic air vehicle" (WEAV (http://cpdlt.mae.ufl.edu/WEAV.htm)), will truly be a flying saucer. Theoretically, Roy says, the flying saucer can be as large as anyone wants to build it, because the design gives the aircraft balance and stability. In other words, this type of aircraft could someday be built large enough to ferry around people. But, Roy says, "we need to walk before we can run, so we're starting small."

The biggest hurdle to building a WEAV large enough to carry passengers would be making the craft light, yet powerful enough to lift its cargo and energy source. Roy is not sure what kind of energy source he will use yet. He anticipates that the craft's body will be made from a material that is an insulator such as ceramic, which is light and a good conductor of electricity. "In theory you probably should be able to scale it up," says Anthony Colozza, a researcher with government contractor Analex Corporation (http://www.analex.com/) who is stationed at NASA's Glenn Research Center (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/home/index.html) in Cleveland and helped Roy draw up the original plans for powering the saucer. The choice of a power source that is powerful, yet lightweight is "probably going to be the thing that makes or breaks it."
Roy began designing the WEAV in 2006. The following year, he and Colozza wrote a paper for the now-defunct NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (http://www.niac.usra.edu/) (NIAC) about the use of electrohydrodynamics, or ionized particles, as an alternative to liquid fuel for powering space vehicles. When NASA shut down NIAC in August 2007, Roy decided to continue his work at U.F.

If he's successful, Roy hopes to develop a more stable aircraft and a new form of fuel—air. Other craft that interact with the atmosphere have a problem: moving parts, whether jet engines, propellers or rotors. "My interest started when I saw inherent problems in helicopters and airplanes," Roy says. If these parts stop moving, the aircraft falls from the sky. The flying saucer, on the other hand, has no moving parts.

In theory, the WEAV would be more stable than an aircraft—airplanes and helicopters, for example—that rely on aerodynamics to provide lift. Using a plasma field, "you could produce lift in any direction, you could change direction quickly and that power could be turned on or off almost instantly," Colozza says. If the pilot wanted such an aircraft to move to the right, he or she would increase power to electrodes on the left side of the craft and vice versa for moving to the left. Electrodes on the bottom of the craft would power its lift, whereas those on top would bring the craft back down to Earth.

Assuming Roy's WEAV prototype gets off the ground next year—and that's a big if—it could prove useful in a number of ways. What makes the WEAV potentially appealing as a way to power spacecraft (http://www.sciam.com/topic.cfm?id=spacecraft) is that it relies on electricity (from a battery or some other power source) rather than combustion (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=what-kind-of-fuel-do-rock)—a process that requires oxygen, which is in short supply outside Earth's atmosphere, Colozza says. Still, the WEAV's biggest fans are likely to be in the U.S. military, who would use the craft as a drone for gathering intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance information.

Roy has been working with the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/AFRL/) at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, since 2001 to study how plasma could be used to control the flow of air—pushing air in different directions—and thereby the vehicle's movements. "If plasma (flow) is turned on the right way, I can blow air any direction I want to blow air," says Doug Blake, deputy director of the Air Force Research Lab's Air Vehicles Directorate (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/afrl/rb/), of the craft's ability to push air away from itself. "If I have a jet coming out of the bottom of this, I can create a helicopter with no moving parts. Things that you would use a helicopter for, you could use this for."

But this does not mean the Air Force is ready to order a fleet of Roy's flying saucers. "We have worked with (Roy) on plasma studies but there are no concrete plans in place that I'm aware of to explicitly support the development of this device," Blake says.

At this early stage, and without a clear decision on how the craft will be powered, Roy says it is unclear how much a WEAV might cost to build and operate. Still, he is optimistic. "All of the materials needed to make this aircraft currently exist," he says, "and plasma is the most abundant form of matter in the universe. If we can somehow tap into that in the future we should be able to fly anywhere."
Now this I'd like to see! Original article is here (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=worlds-first-flying-saucer).

DaneO'Roo
July 14th, 2008, 03:46 AM
Interesting.I'm not gunna cont my chickens though.

Rentafence
July 14th, 2008, 03:48 AM
That's pretty cool. Hopefully this guy gets to test it out.

n00b1n8R
July 14th, 2008, 03:59 AM
Fuck yeah, me and ET are one step closer to being reunited!

I'M COMING FOR YOU BUDDY!!

Bodzilla
July 14th, 2008, 04:30 AM
:o

Hotrod
July 14th, 2008, 12:57 PM
If this succeeds, then it will greatly change our lives, in many ways. I hope that it does work out. Thanks for showing this to us.

Sel
July 14th, 2008, 01:02 PM
:tinfoil:

Shit aliens

teh lag
July 14th, 2008, 01:51 PM
OPEN YOUR EYES EVERYONE!!! This is just proof that the government has been experimenting with alien tech for their own benefit and have been covering it up since the 50s! :tinfoil:

TheGhost
July 14th, 2008, 02:18 PM
I see a couple of things wrong with this. First, whoever wrote the article has a few things mixed up, because he stated a few things which don't make any scientific sense. Secondly, this thing would only be able to fly within our atmosphere. It couldn't go into outer space because there is no air to ionize.

Con
July 14th, 2008, 03:13 PM
I don't see this thing working. Sounds like it would take far more energy to fly than what would be available on the craft.

itszutak
July 14th, 2008, 04:23 PM
Flying saucers?


http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9038/wantkj2.jpg

Terin
July 14th, 2008, 04:28 PM
Heyyy, I guess we're closer to the Jetsons than we thought.

Zeph
July 14th, 2008, 05:05 PM
When I saw this thread, I thought it was about CNN last night where they had a segment about whether there were UFOs or not.

I dont believe this would work as it would require a rather large amount of energy.

Warsaw
July 15th, 2008, 12:59 AM
I don't see this thing working. Sounds like it would take far more energy to fly than what would be available on the craft.

This.

The principle is sound, as electro hydrodynamics is a sound principle, but you need a lot of energy to do this, on the order of megawatts.

Corndogman
July 15th, 2008, 01:12 AM
If they ever get this thing built, im gonna go see it, as i live only a few hours from Gainesville.

n00b1n8R
July 15th, 2008, 03:09 AM
Flying saucers?


http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9038/wantkj2.jpg
Can we have just one thread about flying saucers or aliens or crap where this image isn't posted? Pleeeeeease??

Corndogman
July 15th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Heh, the new X-files movie is actually titled "I want to Believe." I laughed pretty hard when i saw the preview.

itszutak
July 15th, 2008, 02:55 PM
Can we have just one thread about flying saucers or aliens or crap where this image isn't posted? Pleeeeeease??
No.

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