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Bastinka
July 24th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Anyone who heard it, it was awesome like all of his speaches. It's very interesting to hear him talk. Lots of people were there, as always ;D

Some things he listed:
Getting rid of AIDS / HIV.
Advancing against discrimination of Races, Religions and any other type.
Stopping production of all nuclear weapons and eliminating them from this earth.
Allying most countries, in a peaceful manner.
Stopping the Taliban and bringing back the economy, and justice into the country.


I tuned in about quarter way through, I'm sure theres some things I missed. Of course these things might and might not happen, but with Obama at the top hopefully a great start will be established to complete these things.

I'm also worried for his life though, somebody is going to try and attempt harming him in order to stop him. I don't know why people would do this, but remember JFK... R.I.P. :(

Saw it on Phoenix, TV channel in Germany.

Discuss.
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Sel
July 24th, 2008, 02:09 PM
Getting rid of AIDS / HIV. Yeah not happening
Advancing against discrimination of Races, Religions and any other type. Not happening in his lifetime
Stopping production of all nuclear weapons and eliminating them from this earth. As great an undertaking as this is, chances are it wont happen.
Allying most countries, in a peaceful manner. Very iffy maybe
Stopping the Taliban and bringing back the economy, and justice into the country. No, and probably.


Looks to me like he is making empty promises here, there is really no way he can deliver on all but maybe 2 of those. The economy, and allying all countries. I find myself doubting the latter quite a bit. But hey if he can surprise me thats great.

Disaster
July 24th, 2008, 02:13 PM
Looks to me like he is making empty promises here, there is really no way he can deliver on all but maybe 2 of those. The economy, and allying all countries. I find myself doubting the latter quite a bit. But hey if he can surprise me thats great.
This

Patrickssj6
July 24th, 2008, 02:24 PM
People in this thread supporting McCain suck. Also, the whole world is behind me on this one.
I hate watching the speech on German channels because they try to translate and leave out some things >.<
Everyone in Germany, in Europe, is behind Obama and not that ~70 year conservative Bush-leftover called Cain.

Sel
July 24th, 2008, 02:32 PM
Im not supporting anyone, Im not american, and I really dont give a flying shit about the US election, all it is really, to quote waking life.


Do you want the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right?

TeeKup
July 24th, 2008, 04:11 PM
I admire his ideals. But he still seems a tad naive. But I will continue to look at him with optimism.

Bastinka
July 24th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Looks to me like he is making empty promises here, there is really no way he can deliver on all but maybe 2 of those. The economy, and allying all countries. I find myself doubting the latter quite a bit. But hey if he can surprise me thats great.


Im not supporting anyone, Im not american, and I really dont give a flying shit about the US election, all it is really, to quote waking life.
Hipocricy, much?

Other then that, I have hopes that aren't going too high about his plans.

LinkandKvel
July 24th, 2008, 04:33 PM
Looks to me like he is making empty promises here, there is really no way he can deliver on all but maybe 2 of those. The economy, and allying all countries.With that mentality of course it won't happen.

Terin
July 24th, 2008, 05:05 PM
Hey, you have to start somewhere.

NuggetWarmer
July 24th, 2008, 05:44 PM
"...I'll put a candy bar in the school hallway! No more classes, recess all day!"

Yeah, I thought we were done with this.

ExAm
July 24th, 2008, 06:08 PM
With that mentality of course it won't happen.This.

nooBBooze
July 25th, 2008, 05:02 AM
People seem to foget that this guy is still a politican campaigning for an office and not some kind of messiah. He'll talk and promise and in the end people will be tricked into hauling their asses to the polling-booths once again just to find he really is no different from all of his predecessors.
In my experience, those who claimed to be anti-politicians mostly tuned out to be are prime examples of corrupt politicians so i don't see why it should be any different with this guy despite his admittedly impressive propaganda machine.


With that mentality of course it won't happen.
What's that supposed to mean? Seriously, i don't see your point there.


Also,


Getting rid of AIDS / HIV
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TK421
July 25th, 2008, 05:36 AM
Unfortunately, there are too many stupid people in the world to get rid of AIDS/HIV.

Humans are a destructive, violent, warring species who wants as much as they can for themselves, and it would take quite a bit of "motivation" (read: money) to get most countries on the same side.

Also, there will be one nation that would refuse to abide to the agreement to get rid of its nuclear weapons, meaning it would have them to use against the U.S. at any time. This means the U.S. would have to have nukes of their own to retaliate with, or they don't stand a chance. Unless EVERY country in the entire world HONESTLY gets rid of their nukes (unlikely), it's not going to happen.

I fail to see any discrimination in America except some discrimination against whites. If you were to start an all-black club, it's accepted. If you start an all-white club, it's racist. Due to people trying NOT to be seen as racist, they turn out to be discriminatory towards straight white males. There isn't much Obama CAN do to take steps against discrimination, since it's largely under control. If he takes the steps to get rid of discrimination against straight white males, then he would have truly gotten rid of it.

Ah, yes, stopping the Taliban, a group we put together which has stabbed us in the back. This means more military action in Iraq, and, if enlistment keeps declining at its current rate, a draft by 2012. Hopefully I'll be in Canada by then.

Bringing back the economy means putting a cap on gas prices. The puppets of the gas corporations in the congress are going to keep any measure for a gas cap from reaching Mr. President. They have done so in the past, but lowering gas means the truckers will have to pay less to get their goods here, meaning they'll charge the stores less, bringing down prices in those stores, putting more money in everyone's pocket and strengthening the economy. It also means the gas corporations lose their HUGE profits, and they'll keep fighting until the end.

Obama seems like the best choice, better than Hilary, and certainly better than McCain, though his promises are... Unlikely.

Flyboy
July 25th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Nothing will change.

Masterz1337
July 25th, 2008, 02:30 PM
Unfortunately, there are too many stupid people in the world to get rid of AIDS/HIV.

Humans are a destructive, violent, warring species who wants as much as they can for themselves, and it would take quite a bit of "motivation" (read: money) to get most countries on the same side.

Also, there will be one nation that would refuse to abide to the agreement to get rid of its nuclear weapons, meaning it would have them to use against the U.S. at any time. This means the U.S. would have to have nukes of their own to retaliate with, or they don't stand a chance. Unless EVERY country in the entire world HONESTLY gets rid of their nukes (unlikely), it's not going to happen.

I fail to see any discrimination in America except some discrimination against whites. If you were to start an all-black club, it's accepted. If you start an all-white club, it's racist. Due to people trying NOT to be seen as racist, they turn out to be discriminatory towards straight white males. There isn't much Obama CAN do to take steps against discrimination, since it's largely under control. If he takes the steps to get rid of discrimination against straight white males, then he would have truly gotten rid of it.

Ah, yes, stopping the Taliban, a group we put together which has stabbed us in the back. This means more military action in Iraq, and, if enlistment keeps declining at its current rate, a draft by 2012. Hopefully I'll be in Canada by then.

Bringing back the economy means putting a cap on gas prices. The puppets of the gas corporations in the congress are going to keep any measure for a gas cap from reaching Mr. President. They have done so in the past, but lowering gas means the truckers will have to pay less to get their goods here, meaning they'll charge the stores less, bringing down prices in those stores, putting more money in everyone's pocket and strengthening the economy. It also means the gas corporations lose their HUGE profits, and they'll keep fighting until the end.

Obama seems like the best choice, better than Hilary, and certainly better than McCain, though his promises are... Unlikely.

You do realize the Taliban is in AFGANISTAN!!!

Didn't take you long to say something retarded again.

SnaFuBAR
July 25th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Unfortunately, there are too many stupid people in the world to get rid of AIDS/HIV.
like you?

LinkandKvel
July 25th, 2008, 02:56 PM
What's that supposed to mean? Seriously, i don't see your point there.It means if you have the mentality those things won't change, in the long run less people would support him/her trying to change these things and you can't make giant changes like these on your own. With no support the whole project will collapse, and ultimately NOTHING will change.

Also about the race issue, I don't think we should even be seen as a different color anyway. That has got to be the DUMBEST THING EVER to hate someone just because their a different skin tone.

I say we lure all the racist to an island with other racist, start a civil war, and when they least expect...nuke em :haw:

kenney001
July 25th, 2008, 03:18 PM
that would also help the "getting rid of nukes"

I like it. And while you are at it go ahead and put satin Obama there as well.

LinkandKvel
July 25th, 2008, 03:53 PM
that would also help the "getting rid of nukes"

I like it. And while you are at it go ahead and put satin Obama there as well.

No Obama is cool. Have you seen this man play basketball? Unexpected skill. I like he seems more "for the people" than any other president I've seen for a while *cough*(BUSH)*cough*

Bastinka
July 25th, 2008, 04:24 PM
What does Obama being cool have to do with Basketball? Stereotypes and Racism ftl. Looks like you LKvel are going on that Island. Also, kenney it's spelled Satan. Satin is a fabric.

If you don't wan Obama as leader, then who McCain? Or that drunk christian country girl Hillary Clinton?..

Heathen
July 25th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Ya know what pissed me off? People going apeshit about his middle name. Who the fuck cares?

Bastinka
July 25th, 2008, 04:54 PM
What's his middle name?

[offtopic]Wow heathen when I click 'New Posts' your the last reply on almost all of the threads on the page. Postwhore >_>

ExAm
July 25th, 2008, 06:55 PM
What's his middle name?

[offtopic]Wow heathen when I click 'New Posts' your the last reply on almost all of the threads on the page. Postwhore >_>
Hussein :awesome:

LinkandKvel
July 25th, 2008, 07:48 PM
What does Obama being cool have to do with Basketball? Stereotypes and Racism ftl. Looks like you LKvel are going on that Island.
WTF? I never said he was cool because he was black, and didn't expect him to be good at basketball because he doesn't look like he plays basketball which is why i said UNEXPECTED skill. The only one who stereotyped was you :fail:

Roostervier
July 25th, 2008, 08:08 PM
No Obama is cool. Have you seen this man play basketball? Unexpected skill. I like he seems more "for the people" than any other president I've seen for a while *cough*(BUSH)*cough*
I didn't know that being cool and being able to play basketball were good qualifications for presidency.

I'll be honest, I don't like the guy. I really wish McCain wasn't an annoying old fart. The choice for this campaign is really hard because both candidates blow.

Mass
July 25th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Unfortunately, there are too many stupid people in the world to get rid of AIDS/HIV.
So let's just do jack shit! That'll help a lot!

Humans are a destructive, violent, warring species who wants as much as they can for themselves, and it would take quite a bit of "motivation" (read: money) to get most countries on the same side.
We're also the only species capable of advanced logic and, gasp, morality. Civilization exists to overcome the more destructive influences of instinct. Money? You understand nothing. Money is just as much a commodity as anything else, the total amount of wealth in the world never changes, and global alliance would render attempts at overpowering others with higher funding irrelevant. Besides, why would you give negative connotations to the delivery of economic aid to rogue states, the only ones requiring encouragement of such a nature, in order to build peace and trust? Global alliance means peace and cooperation, it means debate and careful consideration. It does not mean empire, dominance, and bribery, which you're completely right, are unsustainable on such a scale.

Also, there will be one nation that would refuse to abide to the agreement to get rid of its nuclear weapons, meaning it would have them to use against the U.S. at any time. This means the U.S. would have to have nukes of their own to retaliate with, or they don't stand a chance. Unless EVERY country in the entire world HONESTLY gets rid of their nukes (unlikely), it's not going to happen.
You're, astoundingly, partially correct here. However, while every nuclear armed country will not be willing to forfeit their weapons, all countries can help to disassemble their stock piles, perhaps using their new found weapons grade radioactive products to make power. Bringing down the weight of stockpiles to sub-apocalyptic levels is not only noble, but perfectly feasible.

I fail to see any discrimination in America except some discrimination against whites. If you were to start an all-black club, it's accepted. If you start an all-white club, it's racist. Due to people trying NOT to be seen as racist, they turn out to be discriminatory towards straight white males. There isn't much Obama CAN do to take steps against discrimination, since it's largely under control. If he takes the steps to get rid of discrimination against straight white males, then he would have truly gotten rid of it.
You seem to be out of the loop here, because you're just completely and invariably wrong here.

Ah, yes, stopping the Taliban, a group we put together which has stabbed us in the back. This means more military action in Iraq, and, if enlistment keeps declining at its current rate, a draft by 2012. Hopefully I'll be in Canada by then.
The Taliban didn't "stab us in the back," they governed with the will of the people of their country, Afghanistan, which is the duty of a government, not to mention, they almost completely stopped narcotics production and shipment. Guess what's started up again?

Bringing back the economy means putting a cap on gas prices. The puppets of the gas corporations in the congress are going to keep any measure for a gas cap from reaching Mr. President. They have done so in the past, but lowering gas means the truckers will have to pay less to get their goods here, meaning they'll charge the stores less, bringing down prices in those stores, putting more money in everyone's pocket and strengthening the economy. It also means the gas corporations lose their HUGE profits, and they'll keep fighting until the end.
The economy is not completely dependent on gasoline, you're correct shipping and production of food depend on it, and it does impact most arms of the economy, however the federal government still has more power than the corporations, granted the people of the country are not truly governed by their ill-founded cynicism.

Obama seems like the best choice, better than Hilary, and certainly better than McCain, though his promises are... Unlikely.

Shit doesn't get done without hope, you can't just sit back and smoke pot and listen to NPR and think you get it, although I commend you on selecting Obama as favorite.

Mass
July 25th, 2008, 08:26 PM
I didn't know that being cool and being able to play basketball were good qualifications for presidency.

I'll be honest, I don't like the guy. I really wish McCain wasn't an annoying old fart. The choice for this campaign is really hard because both candidates blow.
I didn't know that sitting in a hole being tortured was either.

Bastinka
July 25th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Hillary as vice, seeing as she has Bill too; and Obama as Main.

Roostervier
July 25th, 2008, 08:28 PM
I didn't know that sitting in a hole being tortured was either.Did I ever say that it did? :downs:

PopeAK49
July 25th, 2008, 08:56 PM
I dont really care who are president from the next election to the future is. As long as he/she doesn't screw up everything then im okay with that.

LinkandKvel
July 25th, 2008, 09:01 PM
I didn't know that being cool and being able to play basketball were good qualifications for presidency.

I'll be honest, I don't like the guy. I really wish McCain wasn't an annoying old fart. The choice for this campaign is really hard because both candidates blow.

I was just trying to make the point I have seen this man in the streets of america communicating with ALL types of people and not just one type of crowd. He actually personally talks to people he met while in an area. He has a drink or two with nearby resident at a local bar. He comminicates with the average people of the U.S. I never said "He should be president because he is good at basketball." that was just a statement. I guess when you don't like someone you take quotes out of context, and I'm not only talking about you BTW.

Roostervier
July 25th, 2008, 09:09 PM
I was just trying to make the point I have seen this man in the streets of america communicating with ALL types of people and not just one type of crowd. He actually personally talks to people he met while in an area. He has a drink or two with nearby resident at a local bar. He comminicates with the average people of the U.S. I never said "He should be president because he is good at basketball." that was just a statement. I guess when you don't like someone you take quotes out of context, and I'm not only talking about you BTW.If he was for the people he would let us drill for oil off the coast of Florida and mine the approximate 3 trillion barrels of shale oil in the Rockies. Not only would it help relieve gas prices but it would create plenty of jobs for people in the US. Maybe if he'd support that I'd see what you are saying.

And to anyone wanting to rip my post apart, know this: I do not like McCain. Don't go and assume I think he is awesome and should be president. I don't.

Bodzilla
July 25th, 2008, 09:25 PM
he better get rid of all that torture bullshit taht they have in Guantanamo.
That Water boarding is one of the worst pychological things you can do to a person.

being tied down, with a plastic bag over your head and water poured onto you causes some serious problems and tricks your brain into thinking your dieing.
Imagine feeling like your drowning for hours at a time.
and this is used to gather evidence which stands up in a court?

what a fucking load of shit.
You've got alot of work to do obama but i sure as hell hope you can do it.

Heathen
July 25th, 2008, 09:38 PM
I didn't know that sitting in a hole being tortured was either.
I was ABOUT to say that till I read on :/


What's his middle name?

[offtopic]Wow heathen when I click 'New Posts' your the last reply on almost all of the threads on the page. Postwhore >_>
I am a total postwhore.





There is never going to be this "OUTSTANDING" candidate because in every election, neither candidates pose as themselves. They pose as the best possible expectations of themselves. It basically comes down to which candidate is less full of shit...and your guess is as good as mine.

Mass
July 25th, 2008, 10:10 PM
Did I ever say that it did? :downs:
No, I'm not trying to counter you, just completing the thought that the things people pick out as good things to run on are, well, stupid. Everywhere.

Roostervier
July 25th, 2008, 10:32 PM
No, I'm not trying to counter you, just completing the thought that the things people pick out as good things to run on are, well, stupid. Everywhere.
Then amen to that. +rep mb mb

e: Ah fuck, will rep later.

Bastinka
July 25th, 2008, 10:34 PM
Rooster is just a flaming republican. :P

Roostervier
July 25th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Rooster is just a flaming republican. :PIf you ever call me that again I'll ring your neck.

Jk, but I am by no means a republican. If you'd really like to know, I'm a libertarian.

Bastinka
July 25th, 2008, 10:41 PM
Wat is a libertarian? Librarian + Vegetarian?

Heathen
July 25th, 2008, 10:51 PM
Yes...he only eats librarians.

Bodzilla
July 26th, 2008, 03:01 AM
rofl

nooBBooze
July 26th, 2008, 03:26 AM
It means if you have the mentality those things won't change, in the long run less people would support him/her trying to change these things and you can't make giant changes like these on your own. With no support the whole project will collapse, and ultimately NOTHING will change.
Well you wouldn't need a president for a revolution from within like from smaller communieties upwards. If folks really rely on a president to motivate them to do something for the welfare of their own community or even just change their own ways, well then this country is doomed anyways.


I say we lure all the racist to an island with other racist, start a civil war, and when they least expect...nuke em :haw:
Or if we liek put em all in one single place or at least several places all over the country where they could like all be together like in some kind of installation or camp. You know we could totally all bring them there possibly by train and like kill them all one by one. :downs:


he better get rid of all that torture bullshit taht they have in Guantanamo.
That Water boarding is one of the worst pychological things you can do to a person.

Thruth. That's why i would've supported McCain at first but now he seems to have changed his mind about that.
Btw theres alot more goin on in US secret prisons than just waterboarding that would be considered torture according to the Geneva Convention.

oh wait theres someone at the door
brb NSA

Jelly
July 26th, 2008, 10:11 AM
I fail to see any discrimination in America except some discrimination against whites. If you were to start an all-black club, it's accepted. If you start an all-white club, it's racist. Due to people trying NOT to be seen as racist, they turn out to be discriminatory towards straight white males. There isn't much Obama CAN do to take steps against discrimination, since it's largely under control. If he takes the steps to get rid of discrimination against straight white males, then he would have truly gotten rid of it.You seem to be out of the loop here, because you're just completely and invariably wrong here.
Care to elaborate on that?

I agree with what TK421 said; political-correctness has descended into mollycoddling every other religion and skin-colour. Equality was achieved for everyone years ago, but society doesn't seem to have caught up with it. Sure, black people and members of religious minorities can have high-paid jobs and go to top schools and universities, but when somebody white makes a joke involving them, prepare for shitstorm. I don't see why a black comedian can say something like "His skin was so white, I was blind for a half hour," but a white comedian can't say "His skin was so black, he looked like floating eyes and teeth."

That may have seemed totally insensitive, but compare them. Is one really worse than the other? If Obama can clear up these misunderstandings about racism, I'm right behind him.

nooBBooze
July 26th, 2008, 11:33 AM
That may have seemed totally insensitive, but compare them. Is one really worse than the other? If Obama can clear up these misunderstandings about racism, I'm right behind him.
You mean like he's supposed to eradicate stereotypes, prejudice and irrational social behaviour out of the everyday Joe's mind? Good luck with that.

Jelly
July 26th, 2008, 11:44 AM
No, I want him to be able to take a joke.

Mass
July 26th, 2008, 03:49 PM
Care to elaborate on that?

Sure.

First of all, allow me to start with my own experiences within the city of Chicago. Now, I do some odd jobs around the offices of a law firm, installing printers, moving old computers, putting on pots of coffee to brew, and the like; and this law firm does mainly cases for poorer clients, almost entirely working class blacks from the south side, who have been screwed over by predatory institutions. Lately we've been seeing, as you might guess, a lot of sub-prime loan victims, but really the variety discrimination in these cases is pretty astounding. There's the half a dozen or so black families who's water bill is about 30 times what the actual cost of the water they used is, there's the collection of black railroad workers fired from their pleasantly middle-class jobs for extremely minor and anal rule violations, there's several elderly victims of foreclosures, including the one who's 5 hour interview I converted to text, and the other who signed a contract with print too small for her too possibly read and even then littered with uncommon acronyms that had to be professionally researched to be translated. Oh, equality was indeed achieved decades ago.

Are you aware of the disproportionate percentages of minorities screwed by the housing bubble? Seen the research done in which over half of white subjects subconsciously racially profiled, and less than half of African-Americans did. In Illinois, blacks and Latinos are stopped about 5 times as frequently for consenting vehicle checks, despite the rate of contraband found in searched Caucasian driven vehicles being about twice as high.

Now, what you judge to be modern prejudice against whites, and particularly against white males is a sort of compensation really, and not only is it crucial to progress and necessary, more is necessary. Is it easier for an African-American applicant to get into any given college? Yes, although it is a very slight advantage relative to the influence of grades and scores. The thing is that it is so much more likely for a student of European or Asian ancestry to actually be able to apply, that a slight advantage is hardly anything a white student seeking a higher education should be concerned about. The education then builds onto careers, where the sheer nature of the disproportion in qualification, plus the aforementioned subconscious profiling makes necessary a system enforcing more proportionate hiring practices, and therefore, fairer practices.

You cannot slow inequality by repealing laws disadvantageous to minorities, you need to create laws, albeit temporary ones, that are advantageous to the formerly oppressed group. Otherwise, the balance of power never shifts, and not only is progress stagnant, it remains perfectly capable of reversion.

Tl;dr: You're invariably wrong, as I said.

SnaFuBAR
July 26th, 2008, 05:02 PM
Bravo, sir! Stated possibly even more eloquently than I could have said it myself.

ugh, too much rep in past 24 hours :|

Bodzilla
July 26th, 2008, 07:48 PM
Sure.

First of all, allow me to start with my own experiences within the city of Chicago. Now, I do some odd jobs around the offices of a law firm, installing printers, moving old computers, putting on pots of coffee to brew, and the like; and this law firm does mainly cases for poorer clients, almost entirely working class blacks from the south side, who have been screwed over by predatory institutions. Lately we've been seeing, as you might guess, a lot of sub-prime loan victims, but really the variety discrimination in these cases is pretty astounding. There's the half a dozen or so black families who's water bill is about 30 times what the actual cost of the water they used is, there's the collection of black railroad workers fired from their pleasantly middle-class jobs for extremely minor and anal rule violations, there's several elderly victims of foreclosures, including the one who's 5 hour interview I converted to text, and the other who signed a contract with print too small for her too possibly read and even then littered with uncommon acronyms that had to be professionally researched to be translated. Oh, equality was indeed achieved decades ago.

Are you aware of the disproportionate percentages of minorities screwed by the housing bubble? Seen the research done in which over half of white subjects subconsciously racially profiled, and less than half of African-Americans did. In Illinois, blacks and Latinos are stopped about 5 times as frequently for consenting vehicle checks, despite the rate of contraband found in searched Caucasian driven vehicles being about twice as high.

Now, what you judge to be modern prejudice against whites, and particularly against white males is a sort of compensation really, and not only is it crucial to progress and necessary, more is necessary. Is it easier for an African-American applicant to get into any given college? Yes, although it is a very slight advantage relative to the influence of grades and scores. The thing is that it is so much more likely for a student of European or Asian ancestry to actually be able to apply, that a slight advantage is hardly anything a white student seeking a higher education should be concerned about. The education then builds onto careers, where the sheer nature of the disproportion in qualification, plus the aforementioned subconscious profiling makes necessary a system enforcing more proportionate hiring practices, and therefore, fairer practices.

You cannot slow inequality by repealing laws disadvantageous to minorities, you need to create laws, albeit temporary ones, that are advantageous to the formerly oppressed group. Otherwise, the balance of power never shifts, and not only is progress stagnant, it remains perfectly capable of reversion.

Tl;dr: You're invariably wrong, as I said.
see kids. this is what smoking pot does to you.

good post.

Terin
July 27th, 2008, 01:36 AM
Sure.

First of all, allow me to start with my own experiences within the city of Chicago. Now, I do some odd jobs around the offices of a law firm, installing printers, moving old computers, putting on pots of coffee to brew, and the like; and this law firm does mainly cases for poorer clients, almost entirely working class blacks from the south side, who have been screwed over by predatory institutions. Lately we've been seeing, as you might guess, a lot of sub-prime loan victims, but really the variety discrimination in these cases is pretty astounding. There's the half a dozen or so black families who's water bill is about 30 times what the actual cost of the water they used is, there's the collection of black railroad workers fired from their pleasantly middle-class jobs for extremely minor and anal rule violations, there's several elderly victims of foreclosures, including the one who's 5 hour interview I converted to text, and the other who signed a contract with print too small for her too possibly read and even then littered with uncommon acronyms that had to be professionally researched to be translated. Oh, equality was indeed achieved decades ago.

Are you aware of the disproportionate percentages of minorities screwed by the housing bubble? Seen the research done in which over half of white subjects subconsciously racially profiled, and less than half of African-Americans did. In Illinois, blacks and Latinos are stopped about 5 times as frequently for consenting vehicle checks, despite the rate of contraband found in searched Caucasian driven vehicles being about twice as high.

Now, what you judge to be modern prejudice against whites, and particularly against white males is a sort of compensation really, and not only is it crucial to progress and necessary, more is necessary. Is it easier for an African-American applicant to get into any given college? Yes, although it is a very slight advantage relative to the influence of grades and scores. The thing is that it is so much more likely for a student of European or Asian ancestry to actually be able to apply, that a slight advantage is hardly anything a white student seeking a higher education should be concerned about. The education then builds onto careers, where the sheer nature of the disproportion in qualification, plus the aforementioned subconscious profiling makes necessary a system enforcing more proportionate hiring practices, and therefore, fairer practices.

You cannot slow inequality by repealing laws disadvantageous to minorities, you need to create laws, albeit temporary ones, that are advantageous to the formerly oppressed group. Otherwise, the balance of power never shifts, and not only is progress stagnant, it remains perfectly capable of reversion.

Tl;dr: You're invariably wrong, as I said.This is the truth. A lot of media and general public view can create this idea that whites are targets of racism, while minorities are sympathized with. However, when you get into the detail of it, there still is discrimination and racism. Not as rampant as it used to be in ye olden days, but it is still severe.

Heathen
July 27th, 2008, 01:43 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Massacre again.