Jail: A daycare center, or the rightful punishment?

[Bastinka]

After getting a reminder of the speech I planned to do on Jail after seeing the Crazy Canadian Decapatating thread, I've just thought about asking you guys.


Would it be better to bring back crude torture chambers and demotivating guards that make you feel horrible? Or keep it the sissy daycare it is today? I for one think we should bring the idea of torture chambers back to jail, one reason being that it could keep more people out of jail due to the care instead of saying 'Free food, no money' and actually being scared of jail.

Think about it before answering, torture is the rightful punishment, or do you think a free house is the rightful punishment?

Discuss.

[Heathen]

I think that if the criminal is bad enough he should go to jail. But as for being released it shouldn't happen. You dont put a criminal with other criminals in a hostile place where violence and gangs are the way to survive and expect them to function in the outside.

If they are planned to be released, they should be put in solitary for the ENTIRE stay of their sentence.

[ultama121]

Possibly different types of jails for different levels felony.

Edit: Although, I'm pretty sure that it's sort of like that today, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Bastinka]

No torture, solitary confinement for the highest of criminals. @ultama

[Heathen]

Kind of what I said really.

[Bastinka]

I think solitary for everybody, and for the higher murderin' people torture. Severeness of torture depending on what you did, also amount of food and warmth you get for what you did.

[Heathen]

We could make them live in Texas....



JK TEXAS.

[ultama121]

"IN TEXAS WE EXECUTE THE RETARDED, SICK, AND THE DEAD" -Family Guy

Oh @ Wind: yeah, I know torture is still a no no, but aren't there different types of prisons for different levels of felony? Like low/high security?

[Boba]

The only punishment is death!

[ODX]

I demand they do Community Service. Nothing is worse than that for a person in jail. Besides, gives them fresh air.

[Heathen]

I can turn a can into a shank.

Anyways, some people dont deserve air. Say that someone happened to stab some people on a bus, he shouldn't get air. Thats why I elect to make it impossible for him to get that undeserved air anymore.

[Bastinka]

He should breathe very low amounts of air, or air mixed in with like some tear gas or another horrible substance thats just enough to almost kill you and make you feel the most excrusiating pain but not dying.

[Heathen]

Oh, I see what your angle is. Dieing is too easy on a murderer. We should make it so death is second or third in the list of worse things to come of being a murderer. I could see that. With death, the punishment ends WAY to quickly.

[Bodzilla]

you dont think having to fight for your survival in a hostile enviroment surrounded by gangs, violence and drugs while your freedom is stripped and taken from you and your dignity and personal boundrys Raped isn't a bad enough punishment.

there will alwyas be people who do well in jail, those who dont care, but for the commen blue collared slob like me it would be a horrible place.

Torture?
Fuck off.

[Mr Buckshot]

Sissy prison for the minor crimes (i.e. non-violent theft). Combine the sissy prison with community service, so that the petty criminals can actually benefit the community. I wouldn't say that violent criminals and serial killers deserve torture (violation of human rights), but they do deserve a physical punishment, like the cane. In many Southeast Asian countries, serious offenses give you a cane, and the number of whacks you get on your ass depends on how bad you were.

Torture should only be used in cases when a total psycho sadist is being interrogated, and the information needed is vital in some way like saving a life.

Know what's the best use for those totally beyond-all psychotic serial killer inmates? Use them in the field as land mine defusers. They blow up, who cares.

I hate it when inmates get better lives than good soldiers in Iraq do. There are many U.S. marines in the Middle East who would do anything to get living conditions that are even close to those of North American prisons.

[TeeKup]

Buckshot I find your mindset on issues like these disturbing.

[Mass]

Rehabilitation>punishment

[n00b1n8R]

If you torture someone, criminal or not, you yourself become a criminal.

No it's. No but's.

Torture is fucking sick. -rep

[Roostervier]

Rehabilitation>punishmentI disagree. Maybe not torture, but rehabilitation<punishment.

[Bodzilla]

Sissy prison for the minor crimes (i.e. non-violent theft). Combine the sissy prison with community service, so that the petty criminals can actually benefit the community. I wouldn't say that violent criminals and serial killers deserve torture (violation of human rights), but they do deserve a physical punishment, like the cane. In many Southeast Asian countries, serious offenses give you a cane, and the number of whacks you get on your ass depends on how bad you were.

Torture should only be used in cases when a total psycho sadist is being interrogated, and the information needed is vital in some way like saving a life.

Know what's the best use for those totally beyond-all psychotic serial killer inmates? Use them in the field as land mine defusers. They blow up, who cares.

I hate it when inmates get better lives than good soldiers in Iraq do. There are many U.S. marines in the Middle East who would do anything to get living conditions that are even close to those of North American prisons.
i bet if i tortured you enough i could make you confess that your gay.

Torture Does not work.

[Mr Buckshot]

Keeping killers in regular prisons = protecting the undeserving. When our good men in the fields are shitting in spade-dug holes and sleeping in filthy temporary camps, while our bad men behind bars are wearing clean clothes and using clean toilets and sleeping on neat beds, there's something very wrong.

A guy who shoplifted deserves to be treated like a civilized human being, and given another chance in life. A guy who brutally murdered another person deserves to be treated like shit and given no face at all.

[Bodzilla]

That does not change the fact that TORTURE DOES NOT FUCKIGN WORK

i could make any one of you Confess to what ever the fuck i wanted, all i'd need was time. What your describing is sick, disgusting and above all else fuckign cowardly.

[n00b1n8R]

That does not change the fact that TORTURE DOES NOT FUCKIGN WORK

i could make any one of you Confess to what ever the fuck i wanted, all i'd need was time. What your describing is sick, disgusting and above all else fuckign cowardly.
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[Limited]

Torture them, not so they tell us stuff, just so they die slowly. I'm fed up of people sitting in prison here in the UK, high security prison where they get treated BETTER than the common criminal prisons. One guy got given 4 life sentences, 400 years in prison. It costs on average £25,718 ($50,000) a year for one prisoner. Theres 5400 prisoners in the UK that are in for life. Thats $50k for the rest of their life. Its fucking ridiculous, us law abiding citizens who pay tax, pay for the prisoner to get a better life than a homeless person.

Thats why I want the death penalty over here, only for the really bad criminals that have no chance of getting out, but then it would make the other prisoners think maybe they should stop reoffending incase they get killed.

65% of prisoners will reoffend and be back in prison within 2 years of them getting out. Thats HUGE number and we cant afford for it.

The whole issue pisses me off.

[The_Wraith]

I see Prison as a place to keep the evil out of society. Not as a punishment or a rehabilitation method. Neither of those, I think, are effective in vanquishing the criminal mind. As long as they are out of society, it doesn't matter much to me.

The Death Penalty is pretty useless as well. I'd say imprisonment while doing some sort of work to benefit society I.E. making license plates (To be stereotypical) is a better use for their lives.

For those thinking otherwise, you need to re-evaluate your thoughts on humanity and how people operate. Oh and despite what some of you may think and despite the supposed pleasant accommodations available for prisoners, it's not a nice place to be. My friend was in a minimum for 2 weeks and he said even that was hell.

[n00b1n8R]

This thread You people makes me sick.

[il Duce Primo]

It cost more money for someoen to go through all the steps to get death penalty than to just keep them in prison. So people who mention money jail. As stated above. As long as they are away from people everything is fine.

[ultama121]

Yeah torture= not the way to go, definitely.

[Con]

They should all be sent to some island to fend for themselves.

[n00b1n8R]

You'd still have to make sure they don't find a way off the island. Though really that would just be a slower, harder, way of putting them to death (given the general co-operativeness and intelligence of the kind of scum who would warrant being sent).

There are fates worse and far less physically painful than death.

[Mass]

There are fates worse and far less physically painful than death.
Like Detroit?

[Heathen]

I was gonna make a Utah joke like that mass.

[kenney001]

Anybody seen Battle Royale?

[Bastinka]

They should all be sent to some island to fend for themselves.
Didn't work on australia, stinking aussies :shakefist:

[TeeKup]

Thats cause Australia's is a fucking continent. Send them to French Polynesia.

[ultama121]

Anybody seen Battle Royale?
Now that is right punishment. :-3

[Random]

You need to remember people wrongly go to jail, so a torture the fuck out of everyone plan is going to cause more issues than its going to fix. Solitary confinement is fine for people who have gone to jail and continue to be an issue within the prison.

[Heathen]

How about death race? Twisted Metal IRL.

[Limited]

Wow, realised how bad my post sounds. What I mean is people find prison too easy, they go in, do their time and come out. Prison shouldnt just be about locking them out of harms way, they need to be rehabilitated, they need help not re-offending, they need support.

Random is right, there are people that are innocent, and people that were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some one was out drinking with his mates and jokily pushed his friend, his friend slipped over and hit his head on the curb. He died. His friend got 6 years in prison, he lives with the guilt of killing his best friend.

Its a tricky subject, but change is needed.

[Apoc4lypse]

They should all be sent to some island to fend for themselves.

This.

I smell another season of Survivor on the way. E: wait... doesn't that remind you of a really bad movie, I forgot the name of it lol.


On a side note, all of you are crazy.

[Disaster]

I go with torture for severe sentences like murder and rape. Minor like assault or theft deserve community service. These people derail our society and deserve to pay.

[Jelly]

They should all be sent to some island to fend for themselves.
A government-run reality TV show. This idea is awesome.

[Terry]

A government-run reality TV show. This idea is awesome.

Except I could totally see them killing the camera man for food.

[Heathen]

He's making a reference.

[Amit]

The only punishment is death!

The greatest punishment is life when all else is dead and gone.


After getting a reminder of the speech I planned to do on Jail after seeing the Crazy Canadian Decapatating thread, I've just thought about asking you guys.


Would it be better to bring back crude torture chambers and demotivating guards that make you feel horrible? Or keep it the sissy daycare it is today? I for one think we should bring the idea of torture chambers back to jail, one reason being that it could keep more people out of jail due to the care instead of saying 'Free food, no money' and actually being scared of jail.

Think about it before answering, torture is the rightful punishment, or do you think a free house is the rightful punishment?

Discuss.


Well there are different levels of confinement and have you ever been inside a penitentiary or high-security jail?

E: wow...i didn't even notice there was 3 other pages of stuff to explain this. so much for my comment.

[n00b1n8R]

Like Detroit?
http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-downsbravo.gif

[Chainsy]

Just make the criminals jump the border to Mexico, well be killing 2 birds with one stone. Just kidding grunt, you know we're family.

[Jelly]

Except I could totally see them killing the camera man for food.
Nah, they'd be alone. Guys would come about once a month to check up on cameras and take away dead people :v:

[FluffyDucky™]

Nah, they'd be alone. Guys would come about once a month to check up on cameras and take away dead people :v:

Rofl, your both retarded. If you were to think realistically about this, it would almost be like a jail or some sort of special security prison made for this. Aka kinda like big brother. Cept there would be guards and etc on the look out 24/7. But tbh, would be epic fail.

[Mass]

It's pretty startling how many of you seem to greatly over estimate the success of the justice system in maintaining safe and humane prison procedures.

[n00b1n8R]

But they don't deserve humane treatment because they have committed terrible crimes and so we must lower ourselves to their level to make it right. :eng101:

[DrunkenSamus]

If you can't do the dying then don't do the criming.

[Heathen]

LOL,

But srs. If life is so expendable to them, they wont care. And if they do....well their hypocrites.

[The_Wraith]

LOL,

But srs. If life is so expendable to them, they wont care. And if they do....well their hypocrites.
You have no clue about the criminal mind.

[Heathen]

Oh, I understand the criminal mind very well. Though I may act rash and quick minded here, thats just for lulz. I think that basically anyone who poses a threat when being released back into the world should either be killed or confined. This would make jails safer for the bankers embezzling funds and the small time criminals, and people released not so "hard" while making sure there are no ex cons outside.

[The_Wraith]

Oh, I understand the criminal mind very well. Though I may act rash and quick minded here, thats just for lulz. I think that basically anyone who poses a threat when being released back into the world should either be killed or confined. This would make jails safer for the bankers embezzling funds and the small time criminals, and people released not so "hard" while making sure there are no ex cons outside. Clearly you have no idea.

[Heathen]

Well what do you think we would do if we understood the criminal mind?

I figure who cares about the criminal mind. I'm watching my own ass. They can all die and burn for all I care. Should we treat them humanely....depends. Thats all I'm gonna say. Its up to the judge. Lets trust his/her judgement.

[DaneO'Roo]

They should all be sent to some island to fend for themselves.

That.