Russia "invades" Georgia

[OmegaDragon]

TSKHINVALI, Georgia (AP) _ Georgian troops launched a major military offensive Friday to regain control over the breakaway province of South Ossetia, prompting a furious response from Russia _ which vowed retaliation and sent a column of tanks into the region.

More than two dozen were reported dead in the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won defacto independence in a war that ended in 1992.

Ten Russian peacekeepers were killed and 30 wounded when their barracks were hit in Georgian shelling, said Russian Ground Forces spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov. Russia has soldiers in South Ossetia as peacekeeping forces but Georgia alleges they back the separatists.

Separatist officials in South Ossetia said 15 civilians had been killed in fighting overnight, and Georgian officials said seven civilians were wounded in bombing raids by Russia.

The main hospital in Tskhinvali, the provincial capital, had ceased functioning and ambulances were unable to reach wounded civilians, said international Red Cross spokeswoman Maia Kardova in Tbilisi, Georgia.

The fighting broke out when much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games and many leaders, including Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Bush, were on their way to Beijing.

Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili, who insists his government's military action was provoked, noted the timing in an interview with CNN.

"Most decision makers have gone for
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the holidays," he said. "Brilliant moment to attack a small country."

Speaking earlier on Georgian television, Saakashvili accused Russia of sending aircraft to bomb Georgian territory, which Russia denied.

Russia's Defense Ministry said it was sending reinforcements for its peacekeepers, and Russian state television and Georgian officials reported a convoy of tanks had crossed the border. The convoy was expected to reach the provincial capital, Tskhinvali, by evening, Channel One television said.

Georgian State Minister for Reintegration Temur Yakobashvili said government troops were now in full control of the city.

"We are facing Russian aggression," said Georgia's Security Council chief Kakha Lomaya. "They have sent in their troops and weapons and they are bombing our towns."

Putin has warned that the Georgian attack will draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship.

Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. The country has angered Russia by seeking NATO membership _ a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken
In this image, what Russian First Channel claims - are burning Georgian armored vehicles are seen in Tskhinvali in the South Ossetian breakaway region of Georgia on Friday, Aug. 8, 2008. (AP Photo/ First Channel)
its influence in the region.

An Associated Press reporter saw tanks and other heavy weapons concentrating on the Russian side of the border with South Ossetia. Some villagers were fleeing into Russia.

"I saw them (the Georgians) shelling my village," said Maria, who gave only her first name. She said she and other villagers spent the night in a field and then fled toward the Russian border as the fighting escalated.

Georgia declared a three-hour cease-fire to allow civilians to leave Tskhinvali. Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said troops were observing the cease-fire, which began at 3 p.m. local time (7 a.m. EDT).

Yakobashvili said Georgian forces have shot down two Russian combat planes over Georgian territory. He gave no details. Russia's Defense Ministry denied an earlier Georgia report about one Russian plane downed and had no immediate comment on the latest claim.

Yakobashvili said that one Russian plane had dropped a bomb on the Vaziani military base near the Georgian capital, but no one was hurt.

More than 1,000 U.S. Marines and soldiers were at the base last month to teach combat skills to Georgian troops. Georgia has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain.

The White House on Friday urged Russia and Georgia to peacefully resolve their dispute over South Ossetia.

"We urge restraint on all sides _ that violence would be curtailed and that
Source: ESRI (Associated Press)
direct dialogue could ensue in order to help resolve their differences," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told reporters.

NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said he was seriously concerned about the fighting and that the alliance is closely following the situation.

South Ossetia officials said Georgia attacked with aircraft, armor and heavy artillery. Georgian troops fired missiles at Tskhinvali, an official said, and many buildings were on fire.

Georgia's president said Russian aircraft bombed several Georgian villages and other civilian facilities.

"A full-scale aggression has been launched against Georgia," Saakashvili said in a televised statement. He also announced a full military mobilization with reservists being called into action.

Seven civilians were wounded when three Russian Su-24 jet bombers flew into Georgia and bombed the town of Gori and the villages of Kareli and Variani, Deputy Interior Minister Eka Sguladze said at a briefing.

She said that four Russian jets later bombed Gori, the hometown of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, but that raid didn't cause any casualties.

Saakashvili urged Russia to immediately stop bombing Georgian territory. "Georgia will not yield its territory or renounce its freedom," he said.

A senior Russian diplomat in charge of the South Ossetian conflict, Yuri Popov, dismissed the Georgian claims of Russian bombings as misinformation, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported.

Russia's Defense Ministry denounced the Georgian attack as a "dirty adventure." "Blood shed in South Ossetia will weigh on their conscience," the ministry said in a statement posted on its Web site.

"We will protect our peacekeepers and Russian citizens," it said without elaboration.

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev later chaired a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, vowing that Moscow will protect Russian citizens.

"In accordance with the constitution and federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Medvedev said, according to Russian news reports. "We won't allow the death of our compatriots go unpunished."

Saakashvili long has pledged to restore Tbilisi's rule over South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia. Both regions have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and built up ties with Moscow.

Relations between Georgia and Russia worsened notably this year as Georgia pushed to join NATO and Russia dispatched additional peacekeeper forces to Abkhazia.

The Georgian attack came just hours after Saakashvili announced a unilateral cease-fire in a television broadcast late Thursday in which he also urged South Ossetian separatist leaders to enter talks on resolving the conflict.

Georgian officials later blamed South Ossetian separatists for thwarting the cease-fire by shelling Georgian villages in the area.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2524550/Russia-invades-Georgia-as-South-Ossetia-descends-towards-war.html
http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_10137741?source=rss

Hmmmmm...

[PlasbianX]

6J-Jh9CuEK4

[ExAm]

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Not cool.

[Zeph]

*waits for idiot americans to think russia is invading the state of georgia*

[blind]

i just hope they dont capture atlanta :-[

[ima_from_America]

Gosh, I've been busy defendin' mah home from these pesky russkies. They'll never take Athens without a fight!

[Disaster]

That sucks for that small country. There way outnumbered D:
:ohsnap: not georgia. *runs to gun safe* SAVE ATLANTA!!!!"""!"!!!

[TeeKup]

This is revolting. They're targeting and killing innocent civilians.

[Bodzilla]

:/

[ExAm]

*waits for idiot americans to think russia is invading the state of georgia*God damnit, didn't your mother teach to you to be careful what you wish for (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080808091149AA3VGTk)!? :mad:

[Rob Oplawar]

I read that as "Russia invades Google", and I was getting ready to yell "WTF HAX" and run for my bomb shelter.

[CN3089]

This is revolting. They're targeting and killing innocent civilians.

Russia and Georgia targeting civilians? What a shocking development! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-geno.gif

[TeeKup]

I just find it disgusting.

[rossmum]

Before anyone decides to be a moron;

WWIII IS NOT BEGINNING. SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND BE QUIET.

It's just another regional conflict, it's not like they're anything new to former Soviet states.

[Kalub]

Lol, I knew this was gonna happen, err at least a foreign exchange student in my math class did.

[Beckinsale]

6J-Jh9CuEK4


World War III Is slowy approaching =[ But that video was awesome.

[Heathen]

I had a kid in my Free Enterprise class ask "The State?"This is the kid that asked if Germany was in another country.

[TeeKup]

There is no excuse for that level of stupidity. I hope that guy gets hit by a truck.

[blind]

ATTN.
They're just captured Atlanta.
May God have mercy on our souls.

[Lateksi]

I've always hated Russia. For many reasons.

...then again I live in Finland.

[SnaFuBAR]

I've always hated Russia.
sup, dole. jk

[Hotrod]

Well, let's just hope that this doesn't become too nasty, though, I have a feeling that it might...

[rossmum]

urgh


World War III Is slowy approaching =[ But that video was awesome.
see following:


Before anyone decides to be a moron;

WWIII IS NOT BEGINNING. SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND BE QUIET.

It's just another regional conflict, it's not like they're anything new to former Soviet states.
This will not lead to WWIII, end of.

[Bodzilla]

Just those cray-Z euro's at it again :awesome:

[CN3089]

This will not lead to WWIII, end of.

Boy will your face be red when Russia shoots down the US transports carrying the Georgian forces back from Iraq http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-911.gif

also looks like Russia might actually invade Georgia proper (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/08/200881034738999289.html)

this was before Georgia pulled out of South Ossetia though so who knows http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/07-19-06-munch.gif

[DrunkenSamus]

I hope Armenia doesn't get involved in this. ::(:

[PenGuin1362]

Oh my god! Russia is invading the US!....why would they land in Georgia though?


Before anyone decides to be a moron;

WWIII IS NOT BEGINNING. SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND BE QUIET.

It's just another regional conflict, it's not like they're anything new to former Soviet states.

You know, if it ever does come down to that, WWIII will not be like other world wars. It will basically be the entire world at war but there will be no 2 distinguished sides, just pretty much complete chaos.

[CN3089]

Russian Ground Forces Assault Vital Georgian City (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/11/world/europe/11georgia.html?hp)

Welp, Russia's actually invading Georgia proper now http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-derp.gif


e: interesting side note, Gori is Stalin's birthplace http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-hist101.gif

[Limited]

Rossmum, what lead to WWII? A disagreement between countries. I doubt it will. but this could still turn into WW3.

[Terin]

No, it was the lust for continental conquest by some crazy people. Unless Russia tries to take over all surrounding countries, there's no chance in hell there will be a World War.

[rossmum]

Rossmum, what lead to WWII? A disagreement between countries. I doubt it will. but this could still turn into WW3.
Uh if you consider Hitler wanting to exterminate the Jews and take over Europe for himself and the Allies not wanting that to happen to be a disagreement between countries then yeah I guess you're right.

[Limited]

So you think every other country in the world will take a step back and just watch this happen?

I heard Russia were/going to be kicked out of the olympics because of this.

[CN3089]

So you think every other country in the world will take a step back and just watch this happen?

Uh, yes?


Why would anybody intervene militarily? Georgia brought this on themselves.

e: and as I say that, apparently Ukraine has told the Russian Black Sea fleet to fuck off out of their navy bases http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-sweatdrop.gif

Still, they'd have to be suicidal to do any more than that.

[Limited]

Who said anything about military involvement? We have peacekeepers, you cant just go attacking a country if you like, there are treaty's in place.

[CN3089]

Who said anything about military involvement? We have peacekeepers, you cant just go attacking a country if you like, there are treaty's in place.

Yeah, but Georgia attacked South Ossetia first, and killed Russian peacekeepers and citizens.

[Limited]

I agree Georgia is in the bad, and they are completely fucked. Russia is a superpower and will crush Georgia, even more reason to get this shit stopped.

Yeah Georgia started it but does that mean Russia can go on a full out war, and potentially destroy the country?

Russia needs to know that they cant do whatever the hell they want to, the last scandal within the Kremlin, Russia did whatever they wanted do.

Georgia called a ceasefire, but Russia refused and continued on with the assault.

The UN has been discussing this issue for 4 days. The french foriegn ministers were scheduled to arrive in Georgia for talks of peace.

[The_Wraith]

Georgia called a ceasefire, but Russia refused and continued on with the assault.They won't take a ceasefire because they figure this is a good opportunity to retake one of the old Soviet states. Also, I wouldn't really consider Russia a superpower anymore.

[Limited]

Is terms of military especially nuclear capacity Russia is certainly a superpower. Do they have the responsibility that comes with being a superpower? No.

Yes the Kursk incident hurt them immensely, but the Russians believe they are unstoppable.

We're not just talking about the safety of Georgia, or the Russians here, we're talking about the rest of the world.

[Rob Oplawar]

Well, most sci-fi movies/stories set in the mid 21st century mention WWIII having happened, and it's getting to be about that time.

No but srsly, I'm just going along with the "Run to your bomb shelter" vibe. :P

[CN3089]

They won't take a ceasefire because they figure this is a good opportunity to retake one of the old Soviet states.

You've been playing too much Ghost Recon.


Also, Russia just sunk the Tbilisi, (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Georgian_Navy_missile_boat_Tbilisi.jpg) one of Georgia's two missile boats http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-commissar.gif

Seriously Ukraine stay the fuck out of this I like having major population centres

[STLRamsFan]

Also, I wouldn't really consider Russia a superpower anymore.

I actually looked up some information regarding this and it seems that others do agree with this statement although it is actually pretty debatable. After the Soviet collapse, the US was the sole superpower for awhile. Although things have changed. I personally consider the US a power in decline at the moment with all the economic problems we're having, declining dollar, poor government choices, and other countries not depending on us as much.

A couple of countries that are definitely on the rise from what I've been reading are China (doesn't really surprise me), India, and believe it or not Russia. While the US is still considered a superpower at the moment by some, I'm not 100% sold on that for now. Maybe that thought will be turned around sometime...

[blind]

[17:45:32] <tpblind> Do you honestly want a war GBc^CN3089
[17:45:34] <tpblind> :!?
[17:45:53] <GBc^CN3089> Archdukeferdinandfuckyesherewegooooooooo :fap:
[17:45:59] <GBc^CN3089> wargasm itt

He's secretly fueling both sides with slander and propoganda.
Watch out for this one.

[CN3089]

[17:45:32] <tpblind> Do you honestly want a war GBc^CN3089
[17:45:34] <tpblind> :!?
[17:45:53] <GBc^CN3089> Archdukeferdinandfuckyesherewegooooooooo :fap:
[17:45:59] <GBc^CN3089> wargasm itt

He's secretly fueling both sides with slander and propoganda.
Watch out for this one.

ATTN: Estonia

Russia just called your mom fat, you gonna take that? http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-hehe.gif

[ExAm]

http://streaming.visionip.tv/Russia_Today

Live coverage. I just saw a Hind.

[Flyboy]

Ima frum georga but I aint see no rusians

[Limited]

http://streaming.visionip.tv/Russia_Today

Live coverage. I just saw a Hind.
Hind?

Whats the deal with the British newsreader?

[Blam!]

WWI started because of a small conflict, similar to this, between 2 countries. Both countries started grabbing their allies to fight with them, and those allies got their allies, and before you knew it, the entire world was at war.

[Limited]

Plus Georgia is doing a genocide against the Russians, throwing grenades into cellars KNOWING theres civilians down there. Driving tanks over cemeteries. Purposely killing innocent people. These are war crimes, and they will not go down lightly. Whats the different between them and Saddam?

Unfortunatly Bush supports Georgia, so US might get involved.

[Bodzilla]

If Russia takes Another country, then shit will get messy, till then, it's just europe, being europe :|

[CN3089]

Hind?
Soviet-era attack helicopter, used by both sides.

WWI started because of a small conflict, similar to this, between 2 countries. Both countries started grabbing their allies to fight with them, and those allies got their allies, and before you knew it, the entire world was at war.

There weren't any nukes in 1914 :ssh:


Unfortunatly Bush supports Georgia, so US might get involved.

Ahahahaha not a chance


p.s. hey Russia, did you hear what Ukraine just said about you? He totally called you a douchebag, man. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-hehe.gif

[SnaFuBAR]

Plus Georgia is doing a genocide against the Russians, Ossetians
ftfy

This is no different than the Russian and Serbian shelling of Sarajevo. It's funny to hear anyone trying to make the Georgians out to be more murderous than the Russians or any of their neighbors.

[DrunkenSamus]

For some reason, I love this thread...

[rossmum]

WWI started because of a small conflict, similar to this, between 2 countries. Both countries started grabbing their allies to fight with them, and those allies got their allies, and before you knew it, the entire world was at war.
WWI started because tensions had been running high for years and then someone assassinated a fucking archduke out of nowhere.

It's a little different, actually.

[SnaFuBAR]

Some people really need to gb2:hist101:

[CN3089]

WWI started because tensions had been running high for years and then someone assassinated a fucking archduke out of nowhere.

Which led to two countries fighting each other. And then they roped their allies into it. :ssh:

[The_Wraith]

It's debated to what exactly can be attributed as the cause of WWI. However, multiple worldwide alliances are heavily thanked for that fiasco.

[Boba]

Anyway, does anyone know what all Russia is throwing at the Georgians? On the streaming vid I've spotted T-90s, BMP-3s, BTR-80s, Su-25s, and Mi-24s. Is there a list of equipment that Russia has in the area?

[Limited]

I heard they've had 50 bombers dropping bombs on Georgia.

[SnaFuBAR]

Where did you hear that?

[Warsaw]

I heard they've had 50 bombers dropping bombs on Georgia.

Even if that is valid, they wouldn't all be in the air at once.

Also, World War I started with Austria-Hungary starting a small, "preventative" war to retain a province within the Hungarian section, which was also a bid to gain Bulgaria as an ally. It didn't go so well for Austria down there, so they asked Germany for support with this. Germany accidentally signed a proverbial blank check for Austria, essentially saying they would back them up on anything. Then we have Archduke Franz Ferdinand getting assassinated partly by accident, which triggered another war on the part of the Austrians, which made Russia get involved, which stretched Austria's line thin, and forced the Germans (who had little love for Austria, believe it or not) to come in, which made France get engaged, which made Britain come in once they realised the threat to their interests, which made Germany recognize them (Britain) as a threat on land as well as sea, which started unrestricted submarine warfare, which made the US get involved, which brought about an end to the war by unbalancing the sides in favour of the Allies.

amirite?

It wasn't just an assassination that made it happen. It was a string of poor decisions.

[Limited]

Where did you hear that?
Reuters
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKLB64862120080811

It was said on BBC news though.

[PenGuin1362]

WWI started because tensions had been running high for years and then someone assassinated a fucking archduke out of nowhere.

It's a little different, actually.

You fail to realize Ross, it's entirely the same. The whole world is on fucking edge more then ever before. You have Israel threatening to run nuclear strikes on Iran. Iran building nuclear "power plants" Korea trying to create ICBM's that can reach the US. Iraq is just a fucking nightmare. Israel and Palestine are still going at it. And now you have the US siding with Georgia during a major offensive by the Russians. I don't know if you've noticed Ross, but we're pretty fucking close to complete chaos. All it's going to take is the final straw (which in WW1 was the assassination and in WW2 the bombing of pearl harbor) that will make someone snap and that's the end of it. Not sure why you're so bent on denying it has any association to the start of another world war.

[The_Wraith]

in WW2 the bombing of pearl harbor) Pretty sure the world snapped when Germany invaded Poland and then France...

[CN3089]

You have Israel threatening to run nuclear strikes on Iran.

woosh


Lebanon and Palestine are still going at it.

woosh


WW2 the bombing of pearl harbor

woosh

yeah, that's three strikes, you now have to go back to geography/history class before you can post here again http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif


p.s. hey latvia, russia just said they could eat the baltics for breakfast http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-hehe.gif

[PenGuin1362]

Pretty sure the world snapped when Germany invaded Poland and then France...

I worded that wrong. Correct, the world did snap but the US didn't get completely involved until pearl harbor. That was the wrong example I was looking for >_<.





You have Israel threatening to run nuclear strikes on Iran.
woosh
You need to listen to the news sir. That statement is 100% correct.






Lebanon and Palestine are still going at it.
woosh
Holy fuck I meant Israel and Palestine >_< that was dumb -_-





WW2 the bombing of pearl harbor
woosh
Again wrong example I was looking for, however it technically wasn't a complete world war until the US officially declared war :downs: ...>_>

[Patrickssj6]

Only thing I find disturbing is the propaganda attitude on CNN. More neutrality and less biased opinions.

[JunkfoodMan]

Hasn't it been reported that Russia has ended all military operations in Georgia?

[CN3089]

You need to listen to the news sir. That statement is 100% correct.

Israel hasn't even admitted it has any nukes, let alone threatened Iran with them. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-eng101.gif


Oh and the war's over guys I'm pretty bummed vhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/frown.gifv

[blind]

Thank goodness.
Now stop trying to start it again you meddling CN3089 :mad:

[CN3089]

Only thing I find disturbing is the propaganda attitude on CNN. More neutrality and less biased opinions.

Well their headquarters is in Atlanta http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/gf-welp.gif

[rossmum]

You fail to realize Ross, it's entirely the same. The whole world is on fucking edge more then ever before. You have Israel threatening to run nuclear strikes on Iran. Iran building nuclear "power plants" Korea trying to create ICBM's that can reach the US. Iraq is just a fucking nightmare. Lebanon and Palestine are still going at it. And now you have the US siding with Georgia during a major offensive by the Russians. I don't know if you've noticed Ross, but we're pretty fucking close to complete chaos. All it's going to take is the final straw (which in WW1 was the assassination and in WW2 the bombing of pearl harbor) that will make someone snap and that's the end of it. Not sure why you're so bent on denying it has any association to the start of another world war.
No, it's not the same.

See, there's a difference between the entire continent more or less gearing up and picking sides and then someone going and really fucking someone else over, and Georgia thinking they're cool and getting dicked up by Russia. The former leads to a continental or world war. The latter leads to a regional conflict which is fairly contained and while it may attract controversy, it seldom if ever heads down the world war path. The same thing happened in Korea, Vietnam, the Falklands, Afghanistan, the Gulf, the Balkans, and East Timor. Any one of 1, 2, 4 could've led to outright combat between the West and the USSR, 3 could've seen the UK absolutely destroy Argentina (eventually), 5 could've seen the Middle East in one hell of a sorry state (possibly worse than it is now) and 6 and 7 could've seen some pretty ugly all-out war between several neighbouring countries. Oh yeah, and Chechnya, too.

Of course, they never got to that stage, so I strongly doubt yet another burst of fighting between Russia and one of its neighbours is going to result in anything other than just that.

[PenGuin1362]

I'm not saying "omg ww3 is coming" but we're at a point now where it's more of a possibility then it was ever before. Because there isn't just one regional conflict, we have several at once. I honestly don't think it will escalate to that I'm just saying the world can only take so much chaos and stress before everyone snaps >_>.


Israel hasn't even admitted it has any nukes, let alone threatened Iran with them. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-eng101.gif

No no no, I meant they had plans to strike Iranian nuclear facilities. Not nuke Iran. Perhaps that could have been worded better. I'm at work, leave my half assed comments alone >_<

[TeeKup]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/world/europe/14prexy.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin



WASHINGTON — President Bush said Wednesday that the Pentagon had begun a “vigorous and ongoing” humanitarian mission to ease the suffering in Georgia (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/georgia/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), and that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/condoleezza_rice/index.html?inline=nyt-per) would travel to France and then to Georgia to work for a settlement of the crisis.
The president, speaking at the White House with Ms. Rice and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/robert_m_gates/index.html?inline=nyt-per), criticized Russia and called on it to “keep its word and act to end this crisis.”
Mr. Bush said that a transport plane with medical supplies was already on its way to Georgia, and that American air and naval forces would carry out the aid mission. And he said pointedly that Russia must not interfere with aid arriving in Georgia by air, land or water.
But while Mr. Bush said the United States “stands with the democratically elected government of Georgia and insists that its sovereignty and territorial integrity be respected,” his remarks contained no hint of an American military role in Georgia, other than providing humanitarian assistance.



Lets see what happens from here.

[DaneO'Roo]

Bush is gunna go over there and get killed by some random russian.

[DrunkenSamus]

Bush is gunna go over there and get killed by some random russian.

Let's hope so.

[CN3089]

Saakashvili just said the truce is broken, the war's back on! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-woop.gif


This is horrible for all the civilians in the area! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-toot.gif

[ima_from_America]

Bush is gunna go over there and get killed by some random russian.

Yes, but then that would mean that Dick Cheney would be the president.

[Limited]

Firstly, I told you so idiots. You thought other countries would just sit back and watch this crap happen? I told you EU and US would step in, and they did. GFG.

ITN reporter filmed Russian tanks still in Georgia, he asked one of the Russian soldiers what they were doing, he replied with "here to occupy"

[Bodzilla]

Quiet you.

[Choking Victim]

Yes, but then that would mean that Dick, Cheney would be the president.
ftfy. Comma's mean all the difference. :p

[rossmum]

Firstly, I told you so idiots. You thought other countries would just sit back and watch this crap happen? I told you EU and US would step in, and they did. GFG.

ITN reporter filmed Russian tanks still in Georgia, he asked one of the Russian soldiers what they were doing, he replied with "here to occupy"
Because sending food and medical aid equates to military action sparking WWIII? http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-psyduck.gif

[The_Wraith]

Anyone see Russia attacking U.S. supply vessels en route to Georgia? I don't think Russia would be so bold.

[CN3089]

Anyone see Russia attacking U.S. supply vessels en route to Georgia? I don't think Russia would be so bold.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-what.gif

Aight, yo, look, Russia and the United States still have > 10 000 nukes pointed at each other, they're not going to get into a shooting war with each other on purpose.

[Dr Pepper]

If WWIII happends im going to rofl because I was just joking around about that the other day

[Limited]

Because sending food and medical aid equates to military action sparking WWIII? http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-psyduck.gif
No

CN3089 said that no one would step in. EU did.

[The_Wraith]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-what.gif

Aight, yo, look, Russia and the United States still have > 10 000 nukes pointed at each other, they're not going to get into a shooting war with each other on purpose.
They wouldn't shoot nukes, but that doesn't defer regular combat. Nukes only deter the use of nukes, not lethal force.

[OmegaDragon]

Because sending food and medical aid equates to military action sparking WWIII? http://sa.tweek.us/emots/images/emot-psyduck.gif

Actually that is how some (or one) of the major wars happened. First there was medical aid (or missionaries), then they bring "military consultants", and then they decide to bring in the troops.

but then again, i don't remember my history class very well

[DaneO'Roo]

Seriously, if there is a war, awesome. Television has become a tragic bore lately.

[Limited]

Seriously, if there is a war, awesome. Television has become a tragic bore lately.
Hmm, wouldnt we all love to watch people dying on the news and the possiblity of us dying :O

Like wraith said, say US and Russia started military action, that doesnt mean nukes will be involved. Apart from the US, no one has ever set off a nuclear bomb in combat (from my knowledge) doing so is a very big decision, one thing about having a nuke, isnt just the actual firepower, its other people knowing you have one, so they will do things differently.

[CN3089]

No

CN3089 said that no one would step in. EU did.

Uh, no they didn't? Georgia's still fighting by itself.

[Limited]

Uh, no they didn't? Georgia's still fighting by itself.
Why do you think there was the truce? Seriously, dont talk about it if you have no idea what your talking about.

Go read some information, then come back.

Oh heres some for you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7558537.stm

[CN3089]

Why do you think there was the truce? Seriously, dont talk about it if you have no idea what your talking about.

Go read some information, then come back.

Oh heres some for you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7558537.stm

I was talking about military intervention, but you're legendary for your lack of reading comprehension skills, so I won't hold it against you :ssh:

[Limited]

The EU has a military? Hahahaha what?

[ExAm]

They wouldn't shoot nukes, but that doesn't defer regular combat. Nukes only deter the use of nukes, not lethal force.No, both countries are bat-shit insane at the governmental level, so military action on the ground could absolutely provoke nuclear war. Direct clash between US and Russian forces? Nukes.

[CN3089]

The EU has a military? Hahahaha what?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-banjo.gif Hey sportsfans, let's have some fun and actually look at what was said!:


Why would anybody intervene militarily? Georgia brought this on themselves.

Don't worry about it Limited, we all know how ignorant you are of world affairs. (http://www.editthis.info/gbh/2006_Irasel-Lebbeonham_conflict) http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-buddy.gif


p.s. hey Turkey, Russia just called you a bunch of chickens http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-hehe.gif

[Limited]

Well you did reply to me, while I was talking about EU :O.

Also that link, thats just sad and pathetic.

[The_Wraith]

No, both countries are bat-shit insane at the governmental level, so military action on the ground could absolutely provoke nuclear war. Direct clash between US and Russian forces? Nukes.Wrong on so many levels.

[p0lar_bear]

So it's a race: who can end the world first?

Russia, China, or America with some nukes?

Or CERN with its Large Hardon Hadron Collider?

Taking bets.

[n00b1n8R]

Where's China in that list? :raise:

[ExAm]

Wrong on so many levels.
Note use of the word "could"

[PenGuin1362]

You're all wrong. Canada will be the death of us all. .

[Con]

last night I had a dream I was in a stadium half full of Canadians and I was like "CANADA FUCK YEAH" and started a wave >_>
onoes

[Disaster]

last night I had a dream I was in a stadium half full of Canadians and I was like "CANADA FUCK YEAH" and started a wave >_>
onoes
Is serious cat serious?
I want a dream like that :(

[Rentafence]

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[Limited]

Isnt fox news a channel? Cant they just hang on for one minute instead of being unthoughtful fucks and making people rush when they are pouring their hearts out?

I had the unfortunate horror of having fox news on the tv when I turned it on, quickly changed channel though :D


Also http://www.break.com/index/georgian-tv-reporter-shot-by-sniper.html

I have serious doubts if thats real. Firstly wouldnt the sniper bullet go completely through her hand, and secondly, she doesnt seem that much in pain, surely she would be, and I doubt the shock over powers the pain. I think it might be a hoax that the Georgians have pulled off so that Russia look like they shot some one in a ceasefire

[ExAm]

When a bullet grazes you, it just scrapes off the skin, instead of actually penetrating. Adrenaline was holding the pain back.

[Limited]

Didnt look grazed to me, I saw a hole one side.

[SnaFuBAR]

i sure didn't. looked like a long scratch to me, aka, a graze.

I can guarentee that if she was shot in the wrist by a sniper, she sure as shit would NOT be holding onto that microphone, nor would she continue reporting the situation of being sniped. Part of her forearm would be blown open and they'd be trying to stop the bleeding.

[SnaFuBAR]

Isnt fox news a channel? Cant they just hang on for one minute instead of being unthoughtful fucks and making people rush when they are pouring their hearts out?
Nope, not unless they want to reimburse people who payed thousands of dollars to have their commercial aired at such and such a time. He was as polite as he could be about it and when he came back on and wanted her to complete her thought, she sat there smug and uptight.

[Limited]

So you guys have commercials every 30 seconds? Because at first he said sorry we gotta go to a commercial, then when they came back he said they had 30 seconds. After that they had to go, he couldnt give them any more time. Because of another ad break?

[p0lar_bear]

Keep in mind that this is Faux News you're talking about.

[SnaFuBAR]

if you listen it was because the program was ending.

[Limited]

if you listen it was because the program was ending.
I did, and thats why I asked wheter Fox was a channel, they could have extended it by a bit.

[Bodzilla]

limited, goddam man.

just.....
>_<

[tranquill]

Russia-Georgia conflict created a big headache for Israel which armed and trained Georgians for years - and now suddenly Russians threaten retaliation by supplying S-300 SAM batteries to Syria. Here is what a prominent Israeli analyst says: http://samsonblinded.org/blog/on-russia-georgia-and-israel.htm

[Mass]

Fuck, The goddamn Israel lobby already took us to Iraq, are trying to take us to Iran, the last thing thing they need is a prompt to take a belligerent stand on fucking Russia, the single country in the world that could defeat us without even involving allies.

Actually, both the U.S. and Russian armies are severely puffed up to be more than they are at this point, in the Georgian excursion the Russians were using tanks from the seventies, and were riding on top due to their vulnerability to land mines. Always good when you can say "we could have done better" after you win, though.

Frankly, I've found the level of anti-Russian reporting absolutely disgusting (reaching Dolesque levels) the fucking military industrial complex is trying to start the cold war back up because it's good for business, and John Mccain is there to walk them through it.

And now people are calling for them to join NATO? There's not even a good reason for NATO in its current state to exist, and did anyone bother to think what would have happened had Georgia been part of NATO at the time?

[CN3089]

did anyone bother to think what would have happened had Georgia been part of NATO at the time?

Russia wouldn't have invaded in the first place?

[Warsaw]

Mass, T90s were not designed in the 70s. They are a 90s tank, and are actually a very good tank. Also, all tanks are vulnerable to land mines. Russia's military is also roughly half the size of the United States' (32M vs. 64M). However, most of our military are second line personnel, which has been made obvious buy the shortage of front line soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But yes, the anti-Russian crap is out of line, and having Georgia in NATO would have started another war, possibly a full-scale war involving more than two countries.