Water found on Mars!

[Disaster]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/799552.stm
:tinfoil: So... Aliens could be real after all since water is one of the essentials for life and if it exists else where, It means microbes could have developed and eventually evolved

[DaneO'Roo]

Durh, mars is where the spice worms are. l2knowmore.

[Disaster]

o i c wat u did thar :aaaaa:

[OmegaDragon]

*cough*Wednesday, 21 June, 2000, 02:04 GMT 03:04 UK*cough*

[Disaster]

*cough*Wednesday, 21 June, 2000, 02:04 GMT 03:04 UK*cough*
I know its old but I just found this out :o

[DaneO'Roo]

2012 is the year the world ends. Let's hope were outa here before then.

[teh lag]

Yeah, this is OOOLLLDDDD.


Actually, the biggest recent news from there is that the soil contains a common ingredient in rocket fuel, which also could sustain certain types of microbes.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/08/05/mars.soil/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[Sel]

Hah, even if we started now building spaceships and transports and stuff, there is no way that we could get even a small amount of people out to another planet. In other words, unless you're a millionaire, you're fucked.

[Zeph]

My oh my, we've discovered water on mars again!

[DaneO'Roo]

No, mars will become the new America.

Tell, me, who do you think owns mars, or has their teeth sank into it? The united nations? The russians?

HAhahaahaahah.

No. Mars will become America, and the rest of us will be left here to rot in the legacy. Laff at responsibilty. How dare we even run away from this planet. This planet was fine before we came along and fucked it. How dare we just leave our mess and let all the innocent animals and lifeforms suffer?

But hopefully, before then, LA will fall into the ocean in a massive earthquake, creating a cool serenity known as Arizona Bay, so at least the smug scum will be gone.

[Zeph]

Considering the current state of the world's military and economy, either corporations or China will own the vast majority of our next planet. Seeing how governments sell to the lowest bidder, I'm going for corporations.

[FluffyDucky™]

I actually heard somewhere that one of the Asian countries was more involved than America.

[Matooba]

http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/080730-snow-queen2-02.jpg
This image taken by Phoenix's robotic arm camera on July 9, 2008, the 44th Martain day, or sol, of the mission shows several cracks that have devel


February 28, 2007
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/07_Space/07_Space_pics/070302.Mars.melting.jpgPhoto: Mars's southern polar ice cap, seen here in true color, has shrunk in recent years due to planetary warming—similar to what's happening on Earth.

According to one scientist's controversial take, the simultaneous rise in temperatures on Earth and Mars indicates a natural—and not a human—cause for global warming. But the vast majority of experts maintain that humans are responsible for Earth's climate changes and that the Mars phenomenon is mere coincidence. (NASA)

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

SOLAR CYCLES

Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.

By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate "His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.

"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)

Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."

PLANETS' WOBBLES

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.

"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.

NO GREENHOUSE

Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.

Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.

"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

[Bodzilla]

Did you really need to bold that and make it a bigger font >_<

[Rob Oplawar]

Seeing how governments sell buy to from the lowest bidder, I'm going for corporations.
Zeph, your intelligent ignorance never ceases to amaze.

I can't help but get excited by this sort of news, especially considering I work with a few people from the Phoenix team. I am more and more confident that I will see not only men but a permanent settlement on Mars in my lifetime. Fingers crossed!

As for life on Mars,
Guys, the most important thing to remember is that this doesn't offer evidence of life. This only causes us to consider the possibility of life on Mars to be more likely. All it means is that they are finding Mars's environment to be more consistent with what we consider to be "life-sustaining" than was previously thought, but as far as we know about the origin of life, Mars could have exactly identical atmosphere and soil chemistry to the Earth and still be completely devoid of life.

[Bad Waffle]

Rob, i think of instead yelling at him for being ignorant and replacing his words you should have asked what he meant, because zeph's topic of interest is usually around governments.

[DaneO'Roo]

Matoobas post is epic. It could just be that the sun is closer to becoming a red giant than we think :X




1000 bucks the first thing they start doing once they get people and machines on mars is mining for oil :gonk:

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Matoobas post is epic. It could just be that the sun is closer to becoming a red giant than we think :X




1000 bucks the first thing they start doing once they get people and machines on mars is mining for oil :gonk:
I have a feeling everyone in existance will owe you 1000$.
its soo true. +rep

[Disaster]

It is true :phonegonk:

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

its going to be a disaster (http://www.modacity.net/forums/member.php?u=2101)

[Disaster]

its going to be a disaster (http://www.modacity.net/forums/member.php?u=2101)
o i c wat u did thar D:

[TeeKup]

OLD NEWS IS OLD.


Considering the current state of the world's military and economy, either corporations or China will own the vast majority of our next planet. Seeing how governments sell to the lowest bidder, I'm going for corporations.

I'm sensing an armored core future.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

OLD NEWS IS OLD.



I'm sensing an armored core future.
This

[Bad Waffle]

gahd, i remember armored core. Great game, if it werent for the fucking random fights every three steps when going ANYWHERE.

[Kalub]

SO I stepped on my beloved Mechwarrior 4 disc and need another game to replace the void in my heart.....



/offtopic

[Zeph]

Zeph, your intelligent ignorance never ceases to amaze.

I can't help but get excited by this sort of news, especially considering I work with a few people from the Phoenix team. I am more and more confident that I will see not only men but a permanent settlement on Mars in my lifetime. Fingers crossed!

As for life on Mars,
Guys, the most important thing to remember is that this doesn't offer evidence of life. This only causes us to consider the possibility of life on Mars to be more likely. All it means is that they are finding Mars's environment to be more consistent with what we consider to be "life-sustaining" than was previously thought, but as far as we know about the origin of life, Mars could have exactly identical atmosphere and soil chemistry to the Earth and still be completely devoid of life.

Oh come on, do you really believe the American government is willing to spend the budget on such a thing when private corporate entieties are already showing an interest with proposed budgets that makes the hair on the back of our senators' necks stand up?



Originally Posted by Zeph View Post
Seeing how governments sell buy
to from the lowest bidder, I'm going for corporations.
Zeph, your intelligent ignorance never ceases to amaze.

Your backwards and seemingly null critical thinking skills are very interesting. Think about it. Where does our money come from?