Election 2008

[Mass]

I figure we might be doing a fair bit of talking about this, so I made this thread.

I suppose we should start with the DNC, as it is going on right now. So, who saw Obama's speech, or anyone else's for that matter, and what are your thoughts about this election in general really.

There's a poll, with special options for non-Americans

[leorimolo]

Godamit didn't see the foreign option...

[Heathen]

Loving the stats. My only beef with Obaba is that he is really anti-gun.
1. My parents run a gunshop and I am kind of obligated to be anti-anti-gun.
2. My views on that are...making guns illegal will only take the guns out of the hands of the honest citizens. The criminals who would use guns for crime are gonna get them anyways so its only taking the guns out of the hands of those trying to defend themselves. Thats my stance on pro vs anti gun.

[Mass]

Actually he addressed that in his speech, he said he believed that it is possible to uphold the second amendment and allow hunters in rural Ohio to continue their practice while at the same time keeping AK 47s out of the hands of gangsters in Cleveland.

Which is where I'm at, promoting hunting is actually very important to preventing climate damage at this point, I just don't think people need automatic and Semi-automatic weapons in urban areas, You could hold a criminal at gunpoint with a hunting weapon in your home, and the police density in urban areas makes concealed armed citizens more of a liability than a protecting force, in my opinion.

He also said he would cut taxes for 95% of Americans. I liked that bit.

[Xetsuei]

Neither.

[Rob Oplawar]

Obama also wants to axe the space program.
He's said he doesn't want to cut funding altogether, that he doesn't want to cancel the whole Constellation program, but you don't have to destroy the whole engine to make it stop working. NASA's hurting for funding already as it is, and he wants to cut it more? No. I am occupationally obliged to be firmly against this policy.
Then there's the experience issue. I've spent some time arguing this with Mass, and the bottom line for me is that Obama's got great potential for success, but McCain's just got a firmer grasp on politics and economics. The way I see it, Obama will try to make things better, all with the best intentions, but will implement what will prove to be really bad policies that worsen the state of the economy, while McCain, who doesn't have quite as nice and pretty ideals as Obama, will at least keep the nation on its feet instead of letting it fall into complete regression. Obama's policies could be popular and disastrous, and McCain's could be unpopular but could keep the economy from collapsing.

[SMASH]

I don't like Obama's connections to many Anti-American people such as Bill Ayers (Communist sympathizer who's only regret is "not doing more damage to America"), his old minister(has made several anti-american statements), and even his wife (who has been quoted making some Anti-American statements).

[The_Wraith]

Pretty pointless poll. I don't know of anyone on these boards or at Gearbox that don't want to suck off Obama.

I'm not voting this year, fuck both of the candidates.

[CN3089]

If Obama doesn't win, I'm just giving up on America altogether. Canada can always hang out with our European buds, anyway. http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-byewhore.gif

[ExAm]

Obama also wants to axe the space program.
He's said he doesn't want to cut funding altogether, that he doesn't want to cancel the whole Constellation program, but you don't have to destroy the whole engine to make it stop working. NASA's hurting for funding already as it is, and he wants to cut it more? No. I am occupationally obliged to be firmly against this policy.
Then there's the experience issue. I've spent some time arguing this with Mass, and the bottom line for me is that Obama's got great potential for success, but McCain's just got a firmer grasp on politics and economics. The way I see it, Obama will try to make things better, all with the best intentions, but will implement what will prove to be really bad policies that worsen the state of the economy, while McCain, who doesn't have quite as nice and pretty ideals as Obama, will at least keep the nation on its feet instead of letting it fall into complete regression. Obama's policies could be popular and disastrous, and McCain's could be unpopular but could keep the economy from collapsing.Rob, McCain is bat shit insane. He's obviously senile and has an explosive temper that could put our country in a fuckload of danger. Do not mistake him for an honest or capable leader. I should mention that he's also said that reinstating the Draft could be "necessary". Seriously, we do not want anything to do with this man.

Honestly, McCain supporters, you do not have any idea who you're voting for.

[SMASH]

If Obama does win I think it'll be disaster. His ties with Anti-Americans are too deep to be just surface level relationships. He's not the best man for the job, let alone he's not even a good man for the job. Don't let parties fool you into only voting that one way, just cause your a democrat or just cause your a republican by nature.



Honestly, McCain supporters, you do not have any idea who you're voting for.

I think I can say the same for Obama supporters. Look up Bill Ayers and his link to Obama. You'd be surprised at what malicious people back Obama, which makes me think that there's much more to him than meets the eyes and ears. If McCain had links to ex-terrorists/communist sympatizers, I'd sure vote for the other guy.

[ExAm]

Oh man, that viewpoint makes me pissed off. I'm out, I can't stand people who fall for GOP bullshit like that.
I leave you with this: Go look up a list of McCain flip flops, and some more examples of his sheer incompetence. If you don't change your mind after learning about him, I don't know what'll help you.

[SMASH]

Oh man, that viewpoint makes me pissed off. I'm out, I can't stand people who fall for GOP bullshit like that.

You mean you can't stand when people find evidence that supports the idea that your candidate is getting backing from shady people like Bill Ayers who also happened to be a "mentor" to Obama. Take what you want out of it but I read disaster.

[CN3089]

If Obama does win I think it'll be disaster. His ties with Anti-Americans are too deep to be just surface level relationships. He's not the best man for the job, let alone he's not even a good man for the job. Don't let parties fool you into only voting that one way, just cause your a democrat or just cause your a republican by nature.

Yes, let's listen to someone who doesn't even know the difference between 'you're' and 'your.' http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/rolleyes.gif


I'm more worried about McCain's ties with Bush than Obama's ties to Ayers, to be frank.

[Rob Oplawar]

terrorists oooOOOooo

hell with this. Exam, you're exactly right, McCain is batshit insane. I wouldn't vote for that guy to save my life. But I meant what I said about Obama. I have a strong feeling that he's going to fuck this country up, inadvertently as it may be. I wouldn't vote for him even if I survived refusing to vote for McCain.

Goddammit, I fucking hate politics. This is the first year I can vote, and I don't think I can vote for anybody who has any chance of winning.

[SMASH]

Obviously arguing this is going to go no where cause people nit pick grammar as a way to determine education level and it's just going to be basically everyone vs. me, so whatever, do what you want. AND CONGRATULATIONS to CN3089 who found ONE grammar mistake I made while typing this half asleep which in turn makes me into an idiot. Your logic fails.

[SnaFuBAR]

McCain is a fucking moron who's out of touch with anyone below his income level. Fuck that guy. I'm really not afraid of Obama's anti-gun orientation. Historically it shows that when guns are outlawed, slim to none turn in their weapons. People who own them would say, "yeah, come get em. try it."

Smash, that's more GOP slander. Just like how they claimed he went to an Islamic school when he was younger. I'm sorry, but anyone that falls for the GOP stuff is just a fucking idiot, and putting aside all the criminal ties in the GOP.

[Rob Oplawar]

hey, isn't there, like a rule against politics/religion threads? if not an official rule, at least an unspoken one? if not, there should be.

[CN3089]

McCain is a fucking moron who's out of touch with anyone below his income level. Fuck that guy.

B-b-but... he was a POW!!! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/mccain-POW.gif


hey, isn't there, like a rule against politics/religion threads? if not an official rule, at least an unspoken one? if not, there should be.

Nope, but there is one against backseat moderation (which I am breaking right now, meta as FUCK)! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/awesome.png

[Xetsuei]

hey, isn't there, like a rule against politics/religion threads? if not an official rule, at least an unspoken one? if not, there should be.

Seriously.

[Zeph]

This election will probably be the least complicated one out of the past 3 or 4. With the state the world is in, it all boils down to whether people want things to stay the same or change. In the past two elections, it's been between morals and policies. I'm a bit fuzzy on the ones before that, but if my memory is right it was a lot of economic and policy talk.

Honestly, I see Obama winning because of the gross amount of new young voters tired of the way things are now in addition to Bush's current approval ratings. I dont see the republican voting fraud and religious base overcomming it by "legitimate" means. By illigetimate means, I mean going beyond the voter fraud and flat out rigging the results so it doesn't matter if Obama gets 100% of the vote McCain will win.

[Masterz1337]

This isn't a movie, where the leader is taught by an evil mentor.

Hell, even in the movies people turn out alright when they have evil mentors. Look at batman >_>.

I think it's pretty disgusting that this is even going to be a close election. Whether you like obama or not, a third term of a senile crazy bush administration is exactly what we can not have.

[Zeph]

hey, isn't there, like a rule against politics/religion threads? if not an official rule, at least an unspoken one? if not, there should be.

If there is, it doesn't matter.


Smash, that's more GOP slander. Just like how they claimed he went to an Islamic school when he was younger. I'm sorry, but anyone that falls for the GOP stuff is just a fucking idiot, and putting aside all the criminal ties in the GOP.

I dont know if the GOP slander is slacking off this year or what, but every single bit of slander I've seen has been fully disproved and countered.

[CN3089]

I dont know if the GOP slander is slacking off this year or what, but every single bit of slander I've seen has been fully disproved and countered.

Forgotten the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth already? http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/mmmhmm.gif

also, crossposting from Fox News thread:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/66lnjahu0.jpg

COINCIDENCE? yes, yes it is

[SnaFuBAR]

It's because the slander is being slung by a defeated party and a senile ex-pow?


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/66lnjahu0.jpg

COINCIDENCE? yes, yes it is
Lol, they're so far for a loss of words they have to let coincidence do the slandering.

[Mass]

RqsH7dkFGTo

[jngrow]

You mean you can't stand when people find evidence that supports the idea that your candidate is getting backing from shady people like Bill Ayers who also happened to be a "mentor" to Obama. Take what you want out of it but I read disaster.

Any bad person can back whoever they want. That's like Osama Bin Laden announcing "lol I back Obama!!111one now nobody votes for him!" It doesn't work that way. I can't believe you believe that slander/bullshit.



Masters: Whether you like obama or not, a third term of a senile crazy bush administration is exactly what we can not have.

QFFUCKINGT

[Bodzilla]

If Obama does win I think it'll be disaster. His ties with Anti-Americans are too deep to be just surface level relationships. He's not the best man for the job, let alone he's not even a good man for the job. Don't let parties fool you into only voting that one way, just cause your a democrat or just cause your a republican by nature.
oh come the fuck on, WHAT could obama POSSIBLE do that the republicans havnt done first.

God fucking dammit, do you SERIOUSLY think that he's trying to "Destroy the united states" (paraphrased).
Good lord, What the fuck are you thinking.

I'm with CN, if you seriously vote that nutjob mc cain in, then fuck america, because your all a lost cause and not worth our time.
I'll happily hang with the Euro's.

like What the Fuck are they putting in the water over there.

[jngrow]

Forgotten the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth already? http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/mmmhmm.gif

also, crossposting from Fox News thread:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/66lnjahu0.jpg

COINCIDENCE?

I lol'd, didn't see the Biden part. Hilarious. Honestly, I don't think it's a coincidence, the powers of the universe made this happen to test the stupidity and patheticness of the human race. If one person does not vote Obama due to this coincidence, America will be consumed in a hellfire beyond our wildest imaginations.

[The_Wraith]

I think it's hilarious that people belittle their own political views and just squeeze into someone's party. It's sad too, though. They become ignorant to anything not Republican or not Democrat because they just associate with a few of their beliefs so they completely and blindly follow them, shifting their own views to match or just shaking their head saying, "They can't be wrong, they're the same party as me!."

It really stops being about policies and political views and just turns into a Republican VS Democrat pissing fight. Fuckers.

GO REPUBLICANS! HOME TEAM! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! /idiot

[jngrow]

^ to wraith

Iunno what that has to do with this topic, someone who does not do that is what we call an independent (smart person). However, there will probably never be a president that has all the exact same views as you, and often times people only vote Democrat or Republican because the main candidate for that party often times shares most of the same views as a voter.

[Bodzilla]

since when have I taken that approach.

i mean god dam america >_<

[The_Wraith]

^ to wraith

Iunno what that has to do with this topic, someone who does not do that is what we call an independent (smart person). However, there will probably never be a president that has all the exact same views as you, and often times people only vote Democrat or Republican because the main candidate for that party often times shares most of the same views as a voter.What does it have to do with this topic? Everything.

More often than not, what you just said is not the case. It always comes down to parties. It's been this way for far too long tbqfh.

[jngrow]

I forgot to say at the end, after the person begins to do this, they end up just going "lolz i r repbulican" or "lolz i r democrat". Oh, and I'm agreeing with you by the way. And you're right, it has to do with everything, I wasn't reading your post the right way.

[Bodzilla]

i've never been Pro party, i've always been pro fucking policy's, and atm, Mc'cain is nothing but Bush with a fucking nose job and grey hair.

What a fucking Joke.
You cant SERIOUSLY be thinking about voting for him are you??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????

[jngrow]

Who me?




http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8290/awwhellnahjo9.png
I really hope I wasn't giving a pro-McCain vibe. What I am referring to is republicans (not that democrats don't do it though). And yeah, pro-party ftl, pro-whodoyouthinkwillrun/fixthecountry best ftw.

[Corgy]

~*My StRiNgS StReTCh TiGhT bUT sTiLl HOlD oN... ThA PuPPeTMaSTer aWaIts NoVEmBeR*~

http://static.highend3d.com/downloadsimages/4082/PuppetMaster.jpg

[Cortexian]

Obama... I haven't been caring about what your Country does lately though, so I'm just going off who I've seen on TV most :awesome:.

[TeeKup]

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[Zeph]

Lol, in that video...
Yesterday, I was wondering who McCain was going to pick as VP since he's soo likely to die within the next four years. I figured he'd pick someone really odd and out there so when he dies they'd have to step up and take his place.

Low and behold, he chose a woman as his running mate.

[Rob Oplawar]

lo and beholdftfy.

Sigh. Due to my intense hate for the subject I have deliberately avoided exposure to it, and I am pitifully out of touch with the issues and the candidates. Anybody know where I can find a good, unbiased summary of both (primary) candidates and the issues driving our country today?

XD I couldn't keep a straight face while typing that. "Good, unbiased summary." HA!
e: srsly tho, I'm completely in the dark here. All my info on the candidates has come from Digg. I guess I'll need to man up and take the time to research it myself.

[Phopojijo]

Logically speaking spoofs are the most unslanted as they will take potshots on everyone for anything they can.

Unfortunately people who really pay attention to the issues tend to have a liberal/social slant and that tends to come out in the types of spoofs they throw at either side. You know, with Republicans it's about being power-hungry evil baby-eaters... and with Democrats it's about being elitist snobs who have a passion for cigars and interns.

That being said, I can't really blame them. In recent memory... Democrats have indecent relations and have a passion for tea and scones... and Republicans fearmonger and have a passion for shooting their friends while hunting and not showing remorse for it.

[Zeph]

ftfy.
bleh, I just woke up not five minutes before posting.


Sigh. Due to my intense hate for the subject I have deliberately avoided exposure to it, and I am pitifully out of touch with the issues and the candidates. Anybody know where I can find a good, unbiased summary of both (primary) candidates and the issues driving our country today?
Not really. They're of course all promising things they'll probably never do, but it all boils down to Obama promising change and McCain saying he's going to stay the course.

[The_Wraith]

With change you have no idea how the country will turn out. At least with McCain he'll be fairly predictable. That being said I hate both of them. Reminds me of the Kerry VS Bush election... :|

Though Obama's ideals sound really nice, they're also pretty damn socialistic...*Sigh* The American people can never win with these damn politicians. Me wishes for the grand days of the 1880-1900 days...little government, lots of business. True capitalism at it's best.

[Mass]

The Gilded Age, oh that was fun alright.

Oh, Adam Smith called, he'd like you to note

The Member of Parliament who supports every proposal for strengthening this monopoly is sure to acquire not only the reputation of understanding trade, but great popularity and influence with an order of men whose numbers and wealth render them of great importance. If he opposes them, on the contrary, and still more if he has authority enough to be able to thwart them, neither the most acknowledged probity, nor the highest rank, nor the greatest public services can protect him from the most infamous abuse and detraction, from personal insults, nor sometimes from real danger, arising from the insolent outrage of furious and disappointed monopolists.
...
The legislature, were it possible that it's deliberations could always be directed, not by the clamorous importunity of partial interests, but by an extensive view of the general good, ought upon this very account, perhaps, to be particularly careful neither to establish any new monopolies of this kind, nor to extend further those which are already established.

A free market is one that is watched vigilantly for loopholes and bribery, and is protected from the wretched spirit of monopoly.

[Edward Elrich]

I noticed something with Obama's speech. He's all for change, but hasn't really said how he's going to DO what he says he's going to do.

[Xetsuei]

I noticed something with Obama's speech. He's all for change, but hasn't really said how he's going to DO what he says he's going to do.

Took long enough for someone to notice that.

[Heathen]

Obama also wants to axe the space program.
He's said he doesn't want to cut funding altogether, that he doesn't want to cancel the whole Constellation program, but you don't have to destroy the whole engine to make it stop working. NASA's hurting for funding already as it is, and he wants to cut it more? No. I am occupationally obliged to be firmly against this policy.
Then there's the experience issue. I've spent some time arguing this with Mass, and the bottom line for me is that Obama's got great potential for success, but McCain's just got a firmer grasp on politics and economics. The way I see it, Obama will try to make things better, all with the best intentions, but will implement what will prove to be really bad policies that worsen the state of the economy, while McCain, who doesn't have quite as nice and pretty ideals as Obama, will at least keep the nation on its feet instead of letting it fall into complete regression. Obama's policies could be popular and disastrous, and McCain's could be unpopular but could keep the economy from collapsing.

What ever happened to that old classroom motivational poster that said "Shoot for the moon and land amongst the stars." Seriously.

[Mass]

His job is mostly to approve and appoint, therefore the positions he holds are the most important part of assessing him.

Plus, if John McCain seems like he knows how he'll do what he promises it's because he promises to do jack shit.

[Heathen]

If McCain gets in, I lose all hope for the colonies. Shoulda stayed with Britain.

[Bastinka]

Britain is even worse, tbqh. Either Antarctica or Ye' Soviet Union Russia.

[Rob Oplawar]

Comcast gave me cable tv along with my internet (the bastards!), and so today I saw my first Obama campaign ad. It said absolutely nothing about Obama, and basically said "John McCain is just like Bush", leaving it to the viewer to outragedly cry "We don't want four more years of Bush!"
Obama just lost some serious points with me.

[Mass]

Comcast gave me cable tv along with my internet (the bastards!), and so today I saw my first Obama campaign ad. It said absolutely nothing about Obama, and basically said "John McCain is just like Bush", leaving it to the viewer to outragedly cry "We don't want four more years of Bush!"
Obama just lost some serious points with me.
But he is

:confused:

[Rob Oplawar]

It's just the fact that instead of trying to sell his own merits he's simply attacking his opponent. I know that's not his whole campaign and I know that's just standard practice, but it still makes me annoyed to see it.

[n00b1n8R]

^
The day an election devolves into shit fights is the day the policy's stop being important.

[jngrow]

It's just the fact that instead of trying to sell his own merits he's simply attacking his opponent. I know that's not his whole campaign and I know that's just standard practice, but it still makes me annoyed to see it.
McCain does it just as much. Earlier this year it was mostly attack ads from McCain, Obama self-describe ads. They sort of switched ad campaigns, or at least that's what it seems to me from what I've seen.

[Mass]

Obama's ads insult McCain's policies though, the GOP attack ads I've seen are

HE'S GONNA RAISE YOUR TAXES, HE'S NOT READY TO LEAD, HE'S GOING TO REPLACE ALL SCHOOLBOOKS WITH THE QURAN, AND REPLACE YOUR SPOUSE WITH A TERRORIST AND GIVE YOUR JOB TO A BLACK GUY

Ok, ok, a bit was left to the imagination, but that doesn't change the fact that the ads flat-out lied, and made unqualified statements that had nothing regarding policy in them.

I didn't really need to say that though, I already said they were GOP attack ads. :/

[The_Wraith]

Err...both candidates ads are of questionable moral fiber. That's normal though. Also, stop throwing GOP around like it's going out of style.

[ExAm]

Comcast gave me cable tv along with my internet (the bastards!), and so today I saw my first Obama campaign ad. It said absolutely nothing about Obama, and basically said "John McCain is just like Bush", leaving it to the viewer to outragedly cry "We don't want four more years of Bush!"
Obama just lost some serious points with me.that, my friend, is called an attack ad. They generally don't say anything about the candidate who's paying for them. There are more ads than the one you saw, watch for 'em.

[Heathen]

Gentlemen. I have the answer.

http://psa.blastmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/suckerpunchhw9.jpg



That, my friend, is an attack.

McCain is about to get knocked the fuck out.

“Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
— Barack Obama
Hooray for Obamas acknowledgment of atheism.

[Mass]

Also, stop throwing GOP around like it's going out of style.
Well, hopefully it is.

[SnaFuBAR]

Much agreed.

[Atty]

Vote for a nigger and an old guy or an old guy and a woman?

Country is fucked, I'm moving.

[Heathen]

lol...wow atty.

[StankBacon]

Vote for a nigger and an old guy or an old guy and a woman?

Country is fucked, I'm moving.


lol yah were screwed tbh.

also, if i or anyone else said that wed get slapped with an infraction >.>

[Atty]

Are you implying some sort of conspiracy?

[Heathen]

I said the same exact thing. Srsly. EXACT THING. (About the infraction thing)

[Bastinka]

Oh-Bah-MA!!

http://www.kosmosltd.net/images/obama_messiah.jpg

[Atty]

Probably because all of the Staff here can sense the satire in my post. Sorry we're a tad big more intelligent.

It's also probably because we all realize we're all adults here and can say things like that without our mommy's standing behind us and taking away our Internets for using such language.

Anyways, my personal opinion.

I dislike both people. I like Obama as a person but I don't like how he's going to be running our country, or at least how he plans to run it. Although with that said I much prefer his way to McCain's, so I suppose if I had to chose, and I will, I'd go with Obama. Even though I feel he's not mature enough for office, only having what? Two years political expierence, I think he'd still do a damn better job then McCain.

Anyways, with that said, I'm still voting for myself.

[Mass]

I'd rather be in a car with the guy who knows less about driving than the guy dedicated to driving into a brick wall.

[Bodzilla]

^!!!!!!

[SnaFuBAR]

I'd rather be in a car with the guy who knows less about driving than the guy dedicated to driving into a brick wall.
sigged for truth.

also, i wish the poll were showing the people who voted mccain so i may publicly ridicule them.

[The_Wraith]

sigged for truth.

also, i wish the poll were showing the people who voted mccain so i may publicly ridicule them.Yeah because your political opinion is right. :rolleyes:
God I hate elitist fagots.

[SnaFuBAR]

lmao, riled you up.

[The_Wraith]

I'm so funny. Look at me.:woop: Huurrrr. Retaliation rep douchebag.

Guess I riled you up.

[CN3089]

Even though I feel he's not mature enough for office, only having what? Two years political expierence,

Uh, try eleven years? Including four in the U.S. Senate :ssh:

[Bodzilla]

Uh, try eleven years? Including four in the U.S. Senate :ssh:
SHUT UP CN

THIS IS GOD COUNTRY! NO BLACKS ALLOWED <:mad:>

[SnaFuBAR]

Huurrrr. Retaliation rep douchebag.

Guess I riled you up.

nah i'm still lol'ing :woop:

[Mass]

Yeah because your political opinion is right. :rolleyes:
God I hate elitist fagots.
I'd like to meet the person who holds an opinion they think is wrong...?

[Heathen]

lolol

[SnaFuBAR]

I'd like to meet the person who holds an opinion they think is wrong...?
AHAHAHA

OH, SNAP!:lol:

[The_Wraith]

I'd like to meet the person who holds an opinion they think is wrong...?Twist words more. I have opinions but I accept they are my own. I don't know whose opinion is right I just believe in mine. So...

OH SNAP!!! LULZ!

[SnaFuBAR]

all you did was support his statement.

[SnaFuBAR]

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9584/toon020508oz5.gif

[The_Wraith]

all you did was support his statement.No the difference is I hold an opinion without looking like a petty idiot whilst you twirl around holding yours as absolute wishing to publicly humiliate those that don't share in your opinion. There's a vast difference.

Judging from the picture you just posted, however, I should hold lower standards for people like you.

[Higuy]

Vote Atty 08'

[SnaFuBAR]

No the difference is I hold an opinion without looking like a petty idiot whilst you twirl around holding yours as absolute wishing to publicly humiliate those that don't share in your opinion. There's a vast difference.

Judging from the picture you just posted, however, I should hold lower standards for people like you.
as if you calling me an elitist faggot is any better. I have an idea, why don't you show what the GOP, specifically McCain can do for the majority of Americans when he's shown time and time again that he is completely out of touch with what is needed? Why don't you show what the GOP has done FOR instead of TO this country the past 8 years?

Have they improved the economy? Have they added to the surplus? Have they created more jobs? Have they promoted peace over war? Have they consistently told the truth to nations of the world in the cause of peace and justice? Have they strengthened our freedoms?

OH...

[JunkfoodMan]

Snaf wins. Debate over.
Being english, im not really one to care. But I lost faith in america since you re-elected Bush.
Oh, Obama > McCain

[The_Wraith]

as if you calling me an elitist faggot is any better. I have an idea, why don't you show what the GOP, specifically McCain can do for the majority of Americans when he's shown time and time again that he is completely out of touch with what is needed? Why don't you show what the GOP has done FOR instead of TO this country the past 8 years?

Have they improved the economy? Have they added to the surplus? Have they created more jobs? Have they promoted peace over war? Have they consistently told the truth to nations of the world in the cause of peace and justice? Have they strengthened our freedoms?

OH...Calling out the GOP in it's entirety for what President Bush has supposedly done in the last 8 years is laughable.

I think you need to brush up on our presidential history.

[SnaFuBAR]

I think you didn't answer what McCrazy can do for us.

E: SUPPOSEDLY? LMMFAO DUDE.

[The_Wraith]

I think you didn't answer what McCrazy can do for us.

E: SUPPOSEDLY? LMMFAO DUDE.I don't think I ever stated 'McCrazy' can do anything for us. I think I clearly stated I dislike both candidates and won't be voting at all this year. So what am i answering again?

Though you can give a comprehensive list of negative things that President Bush has done. I'm talking facts here not 'Lolz I read it on a Blog and anti-government website about how ebil Bush is!.' Or I guess you can leave your intellectual opinion at LMMFAO DUDE.

[Phopojijo]

Calling out the GOP in it's entirety for what President Bush has supposedly done in the last 8 years is laughable.

I think you need to brush up on our presidential history.That's silly, the entire GOP doesn't spend 20% of their time on vacation** (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html).

1 man is not a party, his administration makes the calls.

Voting for a president is not just voting for one person... it's voting for an ideology.

[TeeKup]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2859/deargodjl8.png

Ad on youtube. LoL.

McCain is an idiot and Barack is a tad naive. But I'm liberal so I'm probably either going to vote Barack or not vote at all. Probably the latter.

[Mass]

You should vote, it matters.

[Bodzilla]

No the difference is I hold an opinion without looking like a petty idiot whilst you twirl around holding yours as absolute wishing to publicly humiliate those that don't share in your opinion. There's a vast difference.

Judging from the picture you just posted, however, I should hold lower standards for people like you.
dont -rep him fellas, i wanna see how long it takes before that A2m shotted smilie i repped him with gets pushed below.

edit: Hey wraith wasnt it you that said that fox news ha superior journalists to other news programs, and that fox news was the least biased?

[SnaFuBAR]

I don't think I ever stated 'McCrazy' can do anything for us. I think I clearly stated I dislike both candidates and won't be voting at all this year. So what am i answering again?

Though you can give a comprehensive list of negative things that President Bush has done. I'm talking facts here not 'Lolz I read it on a Blog and anti-government website about how ebil Bush is!.' Or I guess you can leave your intellectual opinion at LMMFAO DUDE.

Didn't say I read about his bs on any website did I? Nope, I don't need to read anything on a website to know what the effect on my daily life is that I live.

[Mass]

Let's see: There was the patriot act, Valery Plame, Two invasions, (costing over 4000 American lives and 11 billion monthly,) one invasion of the most developed and socially progressive Muslim state held back from civil war by a teetering government and the other of a nation recently restored to peace that provides 95% of world opiates and has proved historically unconquerable by Alexander, the Mongols, The British Empire and the Soviet Union. There is the 8% tax cut for millionaires, The helluva job on Katrina, The massive deficit, The wire tapping, the continuing failure to contain Al Queda, (which began with dismissal of threat before 9/11,) Lying to the American public and the United Nations, forging evidence, Failure to sign the Kyoto Protocol, appointment of several reactionary and down right scary Supreme Court judges, feeding fox "news" propaganda, inflation, attempts to privatize Social Security...Oh, and the greatest crime of all: Rumsfieldisms.

"If I said yes, that would then suggest that that might be the only place where it might be done which would not be accurate, necessarily accurate. It might also not be inaccurate, but I'm disinclined to mislead anyone."

[The_Wraith]

dont -rep him fellas, i wanna see how long it takes before that A2m shotted smilie i repped him with gets pushed below.

edit: Hey wraith wasnt it you that said that fox news ha superior journalists to other news programs, and that fox news was the least biased?No I believe I stated that lately they seemed to have made a turnaround. Good on you for totally taking it a different way and exaggerating it profusely to try and make my points seem invalid. And yeah you did abuse the rep system to insult me. I never said anything of it though, you sure seem proud. (I did however block it ages ago, I guess I got tired of looking at your juvenile attempt to get revenge on someone you didn't agree with.) Oh and LOL at someone getting roughed about a biased news channel like Fox, because no media sources are biased...unless they have liberal views in which they are just plain right, not biased themselves.

And Snaf, what aspects of your life, since you get no apparent information from any media sources, have changed so negatively and drastically that you can only attribute them all to one man?

"Lying to the American public and the United Nations, forging evidence, Failure to sign the Kyoto Protocol, appointment of several reactionary and down right scary Supreme Court judges, feeding fox "news" propaganda, inflation, attempts to privatize Social Security..."

Sounds like a lot of paranoid assumptions, not factually based convictions. And the Kyoto Protocol? I think we've already had several arguments on this subject. Suffice to say, since there is no proof that humanities' short existence on this planet has negatively and directly changed the climate of the planet, it's hardly an issue that we didn't get involved with it.

Wiretapping and other security measures? Which is it, do you want the government to actively secure the Nation against threats or do you want us to be vulnerable? Seems to me you guys just like taking pot shots at the government no matter what they do. Then again, you lot are the ones who had long old threads after 9/11 saying the U.S. government staged the whole thing. So...this leads us nowhere yet again.

This will be my last post on the matter. So post your insults, -rep me, or whatever I won't respond. Quite tired of playing political dodgeball with children over the lulz interwebz.

[Phopojijo]

Uh dude...

1) Lying to the American Public and the United Nations:

Cheney> "We know where they {WMDs} are, they're in the areas around Tikrit, Bahdad, and East West South and North"

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o

2) Forging evidence:

"Tape: Top CIA official confesses order to forge Iraq-9/11 letter came on White House stationery "

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Tape_Top_CIA_officer_confesses_order_0808.html

3) Kyoto Protocol -- yea I'll not touch that one. Pretty obvious.

It's 2 am... I have no real need to continue. Suffices to say, I could.

Sure it sounds like "a lot of paranoid assumptions, not factually based convictions." Unfortunately, it's not. Hate to crash your world down, but it's true: Your government lied to you about national security to make a quick buck for their friends.

Why? Because if we are constantly at war... we can blame Taxdollar Embezzlement (http://www.senate.gov/%7Eschumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/2004/PR02690.halliburton061704.html) on national security.

We'd be more receptive to national security if It wasn't a McGuffin to STEAL TAXPAYER MONEY with BLATANT mismanagement of Military funds... see above.

You can pay 85,000$ for an oil filter change (IE: replacing the entire truck which just needed a ~free tuneup)... but you can't pay for proper equipment which could have saved the lives of 74 of 93 soldiers? {@ 260$ per. (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=1489733)}

Seriously?

[Bodzilla]

No I believe I stated that lately they seemed to have made a turnaround.
hey it was a +rep bitch >:U?

also i was remembering a comment you made, not going any further then that, i remember you saying you listen to fox news or like it, or think there good journalists or what ever.
Doesnt mean i'm going to sift through all your posts just to make sure it was you.

And wraith what the fuck do you mean about being secured because of all this phone tapping fucking bullshit.
Your more vulnerable now then you ever where. They know where you live, what you do, who you associate with, when your out.... They know fucking everything about you and somehow this is supposed to stop people hi jacking planes and going for a joy ride into a building?
PPPFFFTTT FUCK NO.

It's not those fucking sand monkey's weilding AK's you need to be worried about.

[SnaFuBAR]

a 50 year study shows that conservatives..."will blindly follow. They stay loyal too long and this is the frightening part of it." (http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_50_year_study_says_conservatives_0711.html)

[ExAm]

http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-09-01.gif

[Mass]

Bush Administration more interested in protecting monopolies than protecting the free market (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gLzqdHsMBuQV9h5k-kVnabJDsj1AD92S3BT80)


The dispute pits the Agriculture Department, which tests about 1 percent of cows for the potentially deadly [mad cow] disease, against a Kansas meat packer that wants to test all its animals.
Larger meat packers opposed such testing. If Creekstone Farms Premium Beef began advertising that its cows have all been tested, other companies fear they too will have to conduct the expensive tests.


This one is older, but a good story.
More suicides under Conservative rule (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2263690.stm)

[Party_Grunt]

How bout instead reading the DNC talking points (last I checked McCain wasn't Bush and Bush wasn't up for reelection), we get a discussion of the issues between the candidates. What do you guys actually like about the candidates. I think both are terrible, but ultimately think McCain is a better choice, but not by much.

McCain: Hardly my ideal candidate, I think he has changed his votes to appear more appealing to the general voter, sorta like Obama voting present rather than actually voting yea or nay. This I dont like, as his views have changed recently rather than over a longer time

Heres 2 short lists on what I like and dislike about the candidates

What I like:
Supports nuclear power
Supports drilling and alternative engergies
Against pork barrel spending
For tax reductions of wages of those who work in R&D
Is against ethonal as a fuel source (its less efficent than gasoline and is mostly government subsidies)
Isn't for the draft
For School vouchers
Supports embryonic stem cell research (was opposed before)
Supports ending affirmative action (was opposed before)

What I dont like:
Against net neutrality laws
Was for privatization of social secuirty, but reversed his view
For cap-and-trade
Him changing some of his views in this political season.


Obama: Not someone I would vote for, I dont like most of his views, expecially fiscal ones. He also appears to be very weak about his positions. He has a 100% rating by Planned Parenthood but voted present, rather than nay, on legislation that protects infants born alive during abortions that he said he was against. He also doesn't say how he plans to implement his policies or pay for many of them.

What I like about Obama
For net neutrality
For embryonic Stem cell research
Against pork barrel spending

What I dont like:
Being too protectionist in terms of economics
Supports cuts to NASA
Is for Universal Heal care (How can we pay for it when we can't even pay for the government without getting into huge debt :XD:)
Is ONLY for alternative energies, and is against nuclear
Is against licensed concealed gun permits (also, he said he was for the DC gun ban until the Supreme Court shot it down, saying then he was for it being overturned)
Voting present on many pieces of legislature in the US and illnois senate

[Limited]

I just heard some one to do with some party, some 17 year old is pregnant and gonna keep it. lawl great roll model....

[Mass]

Is for Universal Heal care (How can we pay for it when we can't even pay for the government without getting into huge debt :XD:)

Slashing the defense budget, (we spend more on Iraq than we'd need to on healthcare) and taxing millionaires, Bill and Bush cut taxes at the top by 15% and 8% respectively, and I haven't seen any "trickle down" in my lifetime. And on the note of trickle down, who do they think is more likely to spend more money, people with tons of surplus or people with less money who need things? It's really silly, if you give one person 100,000 he'll put a larger percentage in savings than ten people you give 10,000. Apparently locking up cash in savings only to be spent on frivolous luxuries if spent at all destagnates the economy.

You could also make a killing on cannabis taxation, and I'd like very much one good reason for not decriminalizing on that count.

And I don't think many people seem to have much of a grasp on the economic policies of the candidates, first of all, John McCain doesn't have one, it's essentially jack shit. That's mercantilism, and more Pinochet than Adam Smith. Actually, Barack Obama has a Chicago School economic policy, that's a quite conservative policy set by world standards and very capitalist even in the sense that conservatives love to use and subsequently beat the shit out of repeatedly. It's farther right than most of the democratic party (which I'll note is extremely centrist by world standards too) and it's been long-standing in his playbook, isn't pandering, and certainly not pandering of Palinesque levels.

And I'm sick of people talking about social policies like they were satan manifest, fact is, and I'm sorry if I'm blowing your mind here, but they strengthen economies. Take for instance ALCO, the American Locomotive Company, which long ago stopped production in the United States but continues in Canada, where they can afford to pay higher wages and give longer vacations for lower costs, because, unlike the American Auto Industry, Canadian manufacturers aren't essentially welfare agencies that try to cover their costs by selling a product. Manufacture is cheaper and profit margins larger with national healthcare. Here's the other thing, If you pay higher taxes for national healthcare, it'll still cost you less than your current HMO (not much of a feat.) And then there's this business about war stimulating the economy. Not only is military-keynesianism a gross and fascist notion, the GOP airsacks can't be bothered to apply it correctly. The construction of the military industrial complex, Lockheed, Prince, and Friends, means that any money or wealth stimulated goes up to the top, where it is left to trickle down, which I already dismissed as having no grounding in reality. Furthermore, people like to go on about the government not being able to manage things and only the private sector being able to run effecient businesses, this, I'm afraid, is simply retarded. These people have obviously missed the success that government run corporations such as the Postal Service and Amtrak have had. Due to their nature as highly subsidized companies, these corporations can put profit after service, and provide cheap useful service at the same effeciency without yet again locking up wealth in the top 1%. Reaganomics is where commerce goes to die, oh, and Adam Smith wouldn't vote republican.

Btw, Barack Obama supports nuclear power.

[leorimolo]

Snaf wins. Debate over.
Being english, im not really one to care. But I lost faith in america since you re-elected Bush.
Oh, Obama > McCain

Faith was completely lost, seriously how the fuck do you re-elect bush to "fix" or control Iraq when HE FUCKING STARTED THE WHOLE GODAMM PROBLEM...

In other words I'm afraid of republicans, they've done enough shit to screw over Americas economy, and in a country where we widely depend on it and are not that rich of a state. Right now the country is in an economic rescission because of these idiots.

Obama 08' Supporting minorities over the american burgouise

[Apoc4lypse]

I think we need the option... "I vote for bush never being alloud to do anything related to politics ever again and that the largest thing he should ever be able to lead is an ant farm somewhere in texas."

tbh, I didn't really like either of the candidates, either do I like republicans or democrats more, some are for issues I like, while others are against, so it sort of contradicts itself. Either way who ever wins, theres going to be some issues that I disagree with.

McCain I just don't like, mostly because he looks like an old uptight rich dude, seems like the type of person that would fuck up the current *delicate* situation we have with foreign affairs. (he'd prolly lead us to world war 3). Which is what makes me want to vote for obama, whom on the other hand doesn't have much experience.

In conclusion, I would vote for obama simply because, something WILL change, not sure what, not sure if it'l be good, but something will change, if McCain gets elected, I don't think America will be a country after his term due to the fact that it seems like he could lead us in the same fuked up direction bush took us, either that or he'll die and his random ass Vice president will take over and do something else of which I have no clue.

Weird election... I'm not registered to vote, and I'm not sure I will...

Another thing about the Obama thing, I don't have the greatest feeling about him being elected either, because of all the racist's and crazies out there that might do something.

Note that this is from the pov of someone who never goes out of his way to study whats going on with politics because he just doesnt give a shit about them, I only know what I know from the few articles I read, and the few news bulletins I see on CNN/FOX/MSNBC/Otherrandomassnewshittvstation/etc when I'm channel surfing.

Politics nowadays is retarded, people will say what ever they can if it means they have a better chance at being elected, it doesn't mean shit usually. No ones word seems to be good nowadays, everyone lies. Which is why I choose to ignore that politics even exist, in-fact I'm boycotting this bullshit.


TBH the whole thing needs to be reconstructed, Republicans suck, and so do Democrats. They both beleive in sane and insane issues.

Like being pro-life... ffs, your saying it should be a law that if a woman is pregnant, she HAS to push a baby out of her fuken vagina no questions asked. I think pro-life protesters are the dumbest people I've ever met. I understand the whole thing about there being a morale issue, but seriously, the mom the one whos actually going to have to do the birthing, its her own damn decision, not the goverment or any other crazy activists, fuken leave it alone, woman can do what they want with that. Not to mention the worlds already over-populated.

The gun issue, is like, completely retarded too... its in the constitution, we have a right to bear arms. I'm not saying I want a gun, tbh I could care less, I'm just saying, everyone and anyone should be alloud to buy and own w/e the hell they want as long as they arn't a threat to society.

We have a police force for a reason, even if it is corrupt... which is another thing that should be re-built.

In the end tho, someones always going to complain or cry about something stupid because they didn't get it. /rant

Politics is like the internet, even if you win, your still retarded.

[Patrickssj6]

Palin shoots 2 moose before going to bed. What kind of woman is that ^________^

[ExAm]

Someone the Republicans will unfortunately latch on to lovingly :facepalm:
My uncle is Republican. Yesterday he took out his iPhone and showed me a picture of her, saying "That's my new girlfriend!" Completely ignoring her obvious lack of qualifications.

[SnaFuBAR]

I just heard some one to do with some party, some 17 year old is pregnant and gonna keep it. lawl great roll model....Repubican Sarah Palin's daughter.

[n00b1n8R]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/customavatars/avatar155_9.gif

[Bodzilla]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/customavatars/avatar155_9.gif

[Rentafence]

Btw, I saw pics on reddit of Sarah Palins daughter drinking alcohol WHILE PREGNANT. :downs:

[SnaFuBAR]

gotta love how they follow those christian values they flaunt all over capital hill amirite.

[jngrow]

Btw, I saw pics on reddit of Sarah Palins daughter drinking alcohol WHILE PREGNANT. :downs:
lawl. She'll prolly die of "mysterious" causes soon. Too much of a threat to the campaign. :conspiracy:

[sdavis117]

I noticed something with Obama's speech. He's all for change, but hasn't really said how he's going to DO what he says he's going to do.


But he does. I mean I am tired that noone is doing research, because if they did they would see that his site has tons of position papers and plans and crap (in HTML and PDF form ofcourse). I even found his views on Autism, which is a plus for me because my brother has Autism.

[Patrickssj6]

Worst thing about Palin is that she is making propaganda with her disables son.

Christian Ideology? Fuck pretenders.

[rossmum]

I read the first two pages, saw the word 'communist', and cried

[jngrow]

I read the first two pages, saw the word 'communist', and cried
First two pages of what?

[Sel]

Do you want the puppet on the left, or the puppet on the right?

JJXspT2VtOE

[Mass]

Pentagon commissions $300 mil for propaganda in Iraq (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/02/AR2008100204223_pf.html)

[ICEE]

I'm really torn on who to vote for here. I refuse to vote for Mccain for obvious reasons. He's tempermental, nearing senility, a grouchy old two-fisted man the likes of whom hasn't been appropriate for a world leader since Teddy Roosevelt (may he rest in peace), and of course the unavoidable fact that Palin is his vice presidential candidate. On the other hand, I do like SOME of Barack Obama's ideas, but in more than one way he will be moving our country further and further into socialism. Also, I don't know anything about Joe Biden because of my failure to pay attention to the vice presidential debate. ( :( )

I think that both candidates are decent people (though not for the white house), but I'm not ready to take the plunge and vote for either of them. I may as well cast my vote for Nader just to say I'm patriotic enough to have actually been to the polls.

[Mass]

I'm really torn on who to vote for here. I refuse to vote for Mccain for obvious reasons. He's tempermental, nearing senility, a grouchy old two-fisted man the likes of whom hasn't been appropriate for a world leader since Teddy Roosevelt (may he rest in peace), and of course the unavoidable fact that Palin is his vice presidential candidate. On the other hand, I do like SOME of Barack Obama's ideas, but in more than one way he will be moving our country further and further into socialism. Also, I don't know anything about Joe Biden because of my failure to pay attention to the vice presidential debate. ( :( )

I think that both candidates are decent people (though not for the white house), but I'm not ready to take the plunge and vote for either of them. I may as well cast my vote for Nader just to say I'm patriotic enough to have actually been to the polls.
Social policies have been extremely successful in the rest of the first world, and if you're worried about some variety of slippery slope, you should remember the slow nature of the American, or indeed any, legislature. I always find that people who object to Barack do so on the things he's least likely to accomplish.

You really ought to read up on the University of Chicago economic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_%28economics%29) policies, they're what he identifies with and you'd be surprised by how much they're like yours.

[CN3089]

I'm really torn on who to vote for here. I refuse to vote for Mccain for obvious reasons. He's tempermental, nearing senility, a grouchy old two-fisted man the likes of whom hasn't been appropriate for a world leader since Teddy Roosevelt (may he rest in peace), and of course the unavoidable fact that Palin is his vice presidential candidate. On the other hand, I do like SOME of Barack Obama's ideas, but in more than one way he will be moving our country further and further into socialism. Also, I don't know anything about Joe Biden because of my failure to pay attention to the vice presidential debate. ( :( )

I think that both candidates are decent people (though not for the white house), but I'm not ready to take the plunge and vote for either of them. I may as well cast my vote for Nader just to say I'm patriotic enough to have actually been to the polls.

Socialism isn't a bad thing, hth http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-capatriot.gif

[ICEE]

I agree, Socialism isn't a bad thing. It's just a very un-American thing, and it's not something I want to live in right now. I don't believe the government owes us free health care, or social security, or welfare (however I do like the unemployment system for now). I think that we need to be smart enough to take care of ourselves, given that we're sane and physically able.

[nooBBooze]

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[SnaFuBAR]

that is fucking retarded.

[Heathen]

agreed

[mech]

It's even worse the 5th time.

[CN3089]

Lolbertarians are pretty fuckin' retarded, though, you gotta admit http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-colbert.gif


GOOGLE RON PAUL http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-911gaming.gifhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-hf.gifhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-downspatriot.gif

totally just looking for an excuse to use :911gaming:

[Bodzilla]

I agree, Socialism isn't a bad thing. It's just a very un-American thing, and it's not something I want to live in right now. I don't believe the government owes us free health care, or social security, or welfare (however I do like the unemployment system for now). I think that we need to be smart enough to take care of ourselves, given that we're sane and physically able.
you mean the people you pay shouldnt have to give you any benefits?

:wtc:

[jngrow]

you mean the people you pay shouldnt have to give you any benefits?

:wtc:
^

[Mass]

I like that paperclip earring though, pretty lul.

[CN3089]

you mean the people you pay shouldnt have to give you any benefits?

:wtc:

p sure people like him hate taxes as well http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-911.gif


I like that paperclip earring though, pretty lul.

it's a safety pin http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-eng101.gif

[Mass]

:smith:

[ICEE]

you mean the people you pay shouldnt have to give you any benefits?

:wtc:


Just the benefits that will actually be beneficial. I'm talking about schools, police, military, etc. I'll explain what I mean.


free health care: May essentially decrease the quality of health care. People from countries that do have universal health care often come to America for certain surgeries because of long waiting lists in their own countries.
social security: fucks us over in great ways thanks to the baby boomer generation.
welfare: Teaches people that they can be lazy asses and still survive (though admittedly Bill Clinton's reforms did make matters better)


These "benefits" that you speak of aren't quite as beneficial as you think. Nothing ever is.

[jngrow]

welfare: Teaches people that they can be lazy asses and still survive
I'm sorry, but that is definitely the most ignorant sweeping generalization I've heard this week.

[SnaFuBAR]

pretty much.

[Bodzilla]

agreed.

also having waiting lists in countrys is soo much worse then just having people dieing cause they cant afford it :downs:
(even though that has absolutely fuckign nothing to do with the reason people travel to america for care.)

[Tweek]

im not even english, but at least i can spell FOREIGN.

[Gamerkd16]

I should mention that he's also said that reinstating the Draft could be "necessary". Seriously, we do not want anything to do with this man.
Exactly the reason I'm not voting for him. He's not going to potentially put my life in danger and then expect to get support from me.

[Heathen]

I agree with clad however. Living here has shown me THAT.

[SnaFuBAR]

i believe he would reinstate the draft, considering that he believes we need a troop SURGE in Iraq an Afghanistan.

[Rob Oplawar]

I'm all for it, cause I'm too rich to get drafted. Bring on McCain!

[Heathen]

>.>

No more 300 Dollar law Rob.

And @ snaf: I dont want to get drafted. Obama.

[ICEE]

I'm sorry, but that is definitely the most ignorant sweeping generalization I've heard this week.

Explain. There is a difference between welfare and unemployment or disability claim, so please explain your logic.

Also, way to cut out the most important part of the quote.



agreed.

also having waiting lists in countrys is soo much worse then just having people dieing cause they cant afford it :downs:
(even though that has absolutely fuckign nothing to do with the reason people travel to america for care.)
Yes, and its soo much better to die waiting for a surgery than it is to die because you can't afford it. :)

[Mass]

i believe he would reinstate the draft, considering that he believes we need a troop SURGE in Iraq an Afghanistan.
Why would you draft when you can overpay your friends in the arms industry.

[Ifafudafi]

My primary concern:

McCain is old.
McCain gets elected.
McCain kicks bucket.
Palin becomes president.
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG

[Bodzilla]

Explain. There is a difference between welfare and unemployment or disability claim, so please explain your logic.

Also, way to cut out the most important part of the quote.



Yes, and its soo much better to die waiting for a surgery than it is to die because you can't afford it. :)
better for who :downs:?

and you have no idea at all.

[Kalub]

Euro party in Canada, its closer to Idaho.

Unce, Unce, Unce