I need to call something to attention.

[TeeKup]

Alright I believe some of us have seen this by now.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6359/problemssr1.png

Need I remind you that if they can't solve this problem, our golden little community will be no more, we'll be forced back to GBX for those of us who can tolerate that. I know most of us can't. Until someone can provide a productive solution, the only thing we can do is more donations. But I'm sure someone can come up with something. For gods sake were a modding community, a fucking pool of talent.

[Snowy]

Switch to MyBB forums, it's lighter on servers and has just as much, if not more, features as VB... it's just a heck of a lot less bloated.

[cheezdue]

Can some one explain this to me? I dont quite seem to understand what its saying. But yes, ive gotten this also.

[TeeKup]

Something is consuming a massive amount of ram, problem is they don't know what. Whatever is consuming the ram is adding a price of $80 to the normal monthly fee of using the forum.

They can't return to the shared server because Jcap and Ghost are being told that they're consuming too many resources as is.

[Snowy]

Could be spiders trapped somewhere like in the calendar or something.... oh and I would recommend HostedFX (http://www.hostedfx.com/)

[cheezdue]

Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me.:) Hope they can get this problem fixed.

[Con]

stickied ftw

[Bodzilla]

not that much teekup.

theres something seriously wrong on there end of the servers, they really need to look at it, but looks like there just passing the blame onto ghost because if they recognize a fault there forced to fix and cough up money for the extra resources they billed you for.
and that aint gunna happen.

mb move to a different host?

[jcap]

I actually don't think there is any difference from one thread to another. Since posts are stored in the MySQL database as plain text, it makes a YouTube post no different than a post like this. In fact, a YouTube post is even less than this one because the video is hosted off-site and the number of characters is less as well.

The issue resides with PHP. It's not that we're having issues serving files, but rather PHP pages. If you get a 500 error, you can visit any other plain HTML page (such as the hsbible) and access it fine. When the server tries to parse a PHP file, the process is being terminated and an error is being delivered.

Thanks for all of your efforts, by the way.

[TeeKup]

Jcap just confirmed it couldn't be the files, which is why I deleted the post. <_<;

[SnaFuBAR]

What you need to do is tell them to run a diagnostic on the server and send you the results because they're inappropriately billing you and not honoring the service contract. If it's their server that has the problem, they need to accommodate the client.

[Bodzilla]

I'm getting my brother to check this out, he's pretty dam good with this sort of shit so if he ask's questions i'll post it for ya



[13:15] Dyl: well a 500 error is uaually a scripting error
[13:15] Dyl: might be buggy code
[13:15] Dyl: where tho.... well thats somehting i need the websote code to find
[13:15] Dyl: if he is using CGI or something then its lekly in that
[13:15] The Real Ziz Lady: k
[13:15] The Real Ziz Lady: want to ask a question of them
[13:16] The Real Ziz Lady: i'll pass on the message and see if i can get ya some more info
[13:16] Dyl: wel han gon
[13:16] The Real Ziz Lady: k
[13:16] Dyl: often what happens is the config files are set usding php flags but when it moves to CGI they become invalid so then it will spit a 500
[13:17] The Real Ziz Lady: could tha be essing up the Resources?

[13:17] Dyl: dont know...
[13:18] The Real Ziz Lady: hmm
[13:18] Dyl: often it will be the php server-side config and prob handler/directives etc

[13:18] Dyl: man can really be a lot of things
[13:19] The Real Ziz Lady: so you need the website code to chekc it out?
[13:19] Dyl: basica;;y also
[13:19] Dyl: if you have say a bugge script that has an ifinite loop in it
[13:19] Dyl: then the server will let it reach a point then say nah fuck that, cull the process and send you a 500
[13:19] The Real Ziz Lady: k
?

[klange]

So someone listened to me and put up an appropriate 500 page? Awesome.
There's no way this board should be using that much RAM, so it's definitely a random problem that can be solved.

[Bodzilla]

[13:21] The Real Ziz Lady: posted
[13:22] Dyl: anywho will be a scripting error somewhere
[13:22] Dyl: so yeh in nutshell
[13:22] Dyl: tell them to look at the following:
[13:22] Dyl: scripting
[13:22] Dyl: headers/footers of files
[13:22] Dyl: permissions
[13:23] Dyl: ALSO
[13:24] Dyl: maybe in the "LoadModule" php stuff they point to a different version
[13:24] Dyl: . /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
[13:24] Dyl: ??
[13:24] Dyl: but yeh
[13:26] Dyl: hmmm maybe .htaccess configs
[13:27] Dyl: man now that i think of it might even be the log files size too small or something
[13:27] Dyl: HEAPS of things it could be anyway

[jcap]

I'm getting my brother to check this out, he's pretty dam good with this sort of shit so if he ask's questions i'll post it for ya

?
It's all vBulletin. We killed the wiki a few days ago because it was becoming a bot spamfest, so all that's left is this site. I highly doubt vB has an issue with its code, but we do have a few products and plugins which could possibly be a problem. They've been working fine until now, though.

We were actually beginning to see a decline in our resource usage over the past 36 hours. Instead of averaging 800 MB and using a minimum of 500 MB, we were using about 200 MB average and a minimum of 150 MB. We thought it was beginning to go well until tonight when I asked Ghost to check the resources again after a 500 error and...

[23:16] aip1848: uh oh
[23:16] aip1848: resources are way up again

And it's not even the highest point of the day.

[Bodzilla]

.__.

e:
Warning: require_once(/home/.jordan/modacity/modacity.net/forums/includes/init.php) [function.require-once (http://www.modacity.net/forums/function.require-once)]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/.jordan/modacity/modacity.net/forums/global.php on line 20

Fatal error: require_once() [function.require (http://www.modacity.net/forums/function.require)]: Failed opening required '/home/.jordan/modacity/modacity.net/forums/includes/init.php' (include_path='.:/usr/local/php5/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/.jordan/modacity/modacity.net/forums/global.php on line 20

[thehoodedsmack]

^ I just got that too. I think I have about $3 on my paypal account... if that helps... :(

[jcap]

That error was my fault for a brief second.

[Bodzilla]

k

E: heres what he said anyway :p

[13:55] Dyl: yeh man thats what i was saying before
[13:55] Dyl: the php headers are calling functions that reside in defferent/non-exist paths

[13:57] Dyl: you see the fucked up thing is all that stuff is dependent on how its configured locally on the machince running the server

I'd go With snafs suggestion.

[Rob Oplawar]

Did this start immediately after you switched servers, or is there any other change you might have made to the site that could have caused this?

Almost always when something strange starts happening to my code it's because of some change that I forgot about. Usually it's a code change, but sometimes the error already existed in the code but it took a new specific input to bring it out, in which case it might be harder to track down.

The first four guesses that come to my mind are:

a: Some page is triggering a very large loop or recursion (if it's a memory issue, my bet would be on recursion here), which may be a result of some code you changed or might have been triggered by an inconsistent input- vBulletin uses threaded posts, and while I've never seen the code and have no reason to suspect it of being buggy, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a post being the parent of its parent, possibly forming an infinite loop. But if I were the vBulletin programmers, I'd have put something in there to catch that.

b: The server is misconfigured, perhaps causing php to attempt to keep the connection alive longer, or causing it to go crazy with its cacheing. I'm not entirely familiar with the way php interacts with apache, so this is mostly speculative.

c: I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the server being compromised, allowing some bot to hog resources. If its a professional hosting service that's very unlikely, but sometimes webhosts will allow the users some level of direct access to the machine, and the user might have inadvertently allowed a leak.

d: Could be a form of a ddos attack on the site, which could conceivably cause php to seem to be the culprit, as it would probably require more resources than apache under heavy load. I take it this is not the case, however, as it would seem you've been looking at the amount of traffic you've been getting.


Hope this helps.

[DrunkenSamus]

I've never received this message or noticed anything erratic so should I be worried? :v:

[SnaFuBAR]

d: Could be a form of a ddos attack on the site, which could conceivably cause php to seem to be the culprit, as it would probably require more resources than apache under heavy load. I take it this is not the case, however, as it would seem you've been looking at the amount of traffic you've been getting.
if this started recently it could be that faggot kidd trying to get his hacking friends to attack you again.

[jcap]

caught this just as the server began going insane about 10 minutes ago

http://jcap.h2vista.net/files/pics/top_06-31-33.jpg

right now it's just

top - 06:43:23 up 23:16, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 1.18, 1.53
Mem: 263168k total, 134336k used, 128832k free, 0k buffers
Swap: 263168k total, 0k used, 263168k free, 0k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
10410 root 18 0 46328 16m 7924 S 0.0 6.5 0:03.21 apache2-ps3705-
1 root 15 0 1944 648 552 S 0.0 0.2 0:02.34 init
10206 root 15 0 2752 1448 668 S 0.0 0.6 0:01.70 syslog-ng
10600 root 15 0 1824 752 608 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.32 cron
10569 root 18 0 3044 1152 980 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.19 master
10575 postfix 18 0 3084 1224 1016 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.19 qmgr
26342 dhapache 16 0 46672 13m 4712 S 0.3 5.4 0:00.17 apache2-ps3705-
10581 root 15 0 3508 904 668 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.07 sshd
27573 dhapache 15 0 46648 13m 4724 S 0.0 5.4 0:00.07 apache2-ps3705-
27583 dhapache 15 0 46632 13m 4720 S 0.0 5.4 0:00.06 apache2-ps3705-
27311 dhapache 15 0 46756 13m 4716 S 0.7 5.4 0:00.05 apache2-ps3705-
27582 dhapache 15 0 46592 13m 4668 S 0.0 5.4 0:00.04 apache2-ps3705-
19751 h2vsandb 15 0 2132 1068 836 R 0.0 0.4 0:00.03 top
10593 nobody 19 0 2464 844 480 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.02 proftpd
17623 h2vsandb 15 0 6212 1092 792 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.02 sshd
1199 dhapache 15 0 46008 11m 2072 S 0.0 4.3 0:00.00 apache2-ps3705-
1200 dhapache 15 0 46328 11m 2048 S 0.0 4.3 0:00.00 apache2-ps3705-
10438 root 15 0 1616 480 420 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 inetd
10457 nobody 18 0 1792 460 380 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 oidentd
10596 daemon 15 0 1768 388 308 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.00 atd
10610 root 18 0 1572 448 388 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.00 ud
12146 postfix 18 0 3052 1176 992 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.00 pickup
17352 root 16 0 6084 1824 1536 S 0.0 0.7 0:00.00 sshd
17653 h2vsandb 16 0 2624 1412 1140 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.00 bash
27456 postfix 15 0 3232 1392 1196 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.00 trivial-rewrite


And then...

http://jcap.h2vista.net/files/pics/top_06-48-06.jpg

[klange]

So Apache's using a shitload of RAM?

[jcap]

Yeah, looks like it...

Yeah, so this just happened while writing this post:

http://jcap.h2vista.net/files/pics/top_07-23-47.jpg

[Con]

uhhh, what is a zombie task?

[klange]

uhhh, what is a zombie task?
A process that pulled a Windows is no longer responding to signals and whose address space can not be reallocated.

There's a crapload of zombie PHP's in the first pic.

[Rob Oplawar]

That definitely looks like it's a problem with the server and not Modacity's fault. Some sort of misconfiguration. Still could conceivably be an external attack, though.

You've of course been going over the logs, right? Anything of interest in there?

[DrunkenSamus]

I've never received this message or noticed anything erratic so should I be worried? :v:

Nevermind..I got the message when I clicked on User CP :gonk:

[Heathen]

xet_: havent you seen any of the threads on the problems?
(12:46:16 PM) xet_: theres like
(12:46:18 PM) xet_: 3 of them
(12:46:22 PM) Heathen: I haven't been on much
(12:46:27 PM) xet_: i see
(12:46:27 PM) Heathen: my comp has been down
(12:46:29 PM) Heathen: but I fixed it
(12:46:31 PM) xet_: but yeah
(12:46:42 PM) xet_: theres something making the sever use tons more ram then it should be
(12:46:49 PM) xet_: and its costing them an extra $80/month
(12:46:58 PM) xet_: there trying to figure out what it is
(12:47:01 PM) xet_: or the site goes down
(12:47:05 PM) Heathen: hahaha
(12:47:06 PM) Heathen: bum
(12:47:10 PM) Heathen: sucks for them
(12:47:21 PM) xet_: i thought this was your first forum?
(12:47:49 PM) Heathen: yeah
(12:47:52 PM) xet_: :/
(12:47:58 PM) Heathen: haha
(12:48:02 PM) Heathen: its just a forum
(12:48:10 PM) xet_: dont see how you think its funny
(12:48:13 PM) xet_: nobody else does
(12:48:15 PM) Heathen: its not only my first
(12:48:18 PM) Heathen: tis my only
(12:48:21 PM) xet_: :|
(12:48:28 PM) Heathen: I feel bad for their $'s
(12:48:35 PM) Heathen: but sheesh
(12:48:38 PM) Heathen it's a forum



Dont get me wrong. I like this little community, but is anyone really that upset? I'm sure there are plenty of replacements. I do enjoy this so if it can be avoided, I would love you guys to stay, but this degree of concern is upsetting.

[teh lag]

I'm sure there are plenty of replacements.

Yeah, like Halomaps or the CE section at GBX.


This site is our branch of the community, OF COURSE we're going to be a bit concerned if something's screwing with it.

[SnaFuBAR]

Heathen, nobody cares if you leave or care about this forum. We care. Don't be a cock.

[Con]

Heathen, nobody cares if you leave or care about this forum. We care. Don't be a cock.
.

[Xetsuei]

Heathen, nobody cares if you leave or care about this forum. We care. Don't be a cock.

.

[Bad Waffle]

My stuff is hosted here, my buddies come here, and my favorite game engine is talked about only here. Yep, a bit concerned. I donated. I never do that D:

[Heathen]

Um, what?

I didn't say all that.

I was just pointing out HOW much he cared thought that isn't that level of concern a little obsessive?

I wasn't being a cock to Xet or anyone else. I would mind if this went down too.

But now that you have said so, I can see where some of you might be a bit more concerned. I dont post things here like some of you do. Snaf...sorry if I offended you. Wol, I could see that as concerning. What I meant was, if it went down...I'm sure someone would make a replacement for this site, not that you would have to go back somewhere.


E: I admit though, I did sound a bit cockish.

Also, what the hell are e-cool points snaf? :lol:

[Sel]

Well we always have halomaps!

[Dwood]

Well we always have halomaps!

From what I remember, Dennis loves you AND Chains. Very much. :P

[Sel]

There was a lot of sarcasm in that post >___>

[TeeKup]

Yeah, like Halomaps or the CE section at GBX.

This site is our branch of the community, OF COURSE we're going to be a bit concerned if something's screwing with it.

Heathen, most of us on here have known each other ever since Halo PC and CE came into existence. This isn't just a community, its OUR community. Most of us wouldn't like to see our little group splintered even though most of the time we seem to tear each other apart. If you're not going to TRY and help the situation then don't even bother with this thread.

[Zeph]

We're not the only ones experiencing this kind of trouble. There are sites out there posting about the same problems.

[Heathen]

So its not your fault and this will be ok?

And yes teek. I do realize that. I was just being a dick. I do like this community alot. I am a cock, ok?

I just didnt find it as big a deal ad everyone else, but I did see the troubles. I wasn't ridiculing Xet or anyone, just asking if it was serious cause for concern. My bad for cocking up my posts.

discussion/?

[Xetsuei]

What the fuck are you talking about? ";.; MODACITY" mood? Where the hell did you get that idea? That wasn't my mood at all when I was talking to you. Stop jumping to conclusions.

[TeeKup]

It just happened again. Heathen and Xetsuei either shut up or leave. Zeph where else is this happening? Maybe people from the other forums can help find a solution as well.

[Cortexian]

Yea Heathen, you have to realize that Xet is only 14, and his opinion is the only opinion. If you disagree with him he tends to insult you, make idiotic remarks that have no basis, and generally be a dipshit. Best to just ignore the troll him and move on.

How much control do you guys have over the server? Can you recompile Apache or do you just have limited access to the server? You may want to recompile Apache if you can, should indicate if that's what was causing the problem.

Edit: I wasted my 2000th post on THIS!?

[Zeph]

It just happened again. Heathen and Xetsuei either shut up or leave. Zeph where else is this happening? Maybe people from the other forums can help find a solution as well.
Well, the greatest one I ran across was askapache.com
They go indepth to explain what Dream host is doing.


How much control do you guys have over the server? Can you recompile Apache or do you just have limited access to the server? You may want to recompile Apache if you can, should indicate if that's what was causing the problem.
It's a virtual machine now. It can be restarted on demand. As for just what we can do with apache, I'm not an admin, so I have no clue. I'd like to know how the inner workings of how these things go about though.

edit: grammar.

[Cortexian]

Yea Heathen, you have to realize that Xet is only 14, and his opinion is the only opinion. If you disagree with him he tends to insult you, make idiotic remarks that have no basis, and generally be a dipshit. Best to just ignore the troll him and move on.

How much control do you guys have over the server? Can you recompile Apache or do you just have limited access to the server? You may want to recompile Apache if you can, should indicate if that's what was causing the problem.

Edit: I wasted my 2000th post on THIS!?



Yea Heathen, you have to realize that Xet is only 14, and his opinion is the only opinion. If you disagree with him he tends to insult you, make idiotic remarks that have no basis, and generally be a dipshit. Best to just ignore the troll him and move on.

Ha. Don't be a hypocrite immature twat.

Case and Point.

Anyhow, I used to help out the guys at x10Hosting with their servers for awhile before I got to fed up with a certain administrator of theirs. If we ran into issues with Apache using up to much system memory we would just recompile the latest version of Apache and redistribute it among the servers.

[Bodzilla]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/bodzilla_1/XetbeingXet.jpg
how dare i question the worth of family guy.

[TeeKup]

Would you all grow the fuck up!!

[Rob Oplawar]

I hate it when people say case and point. The phrase originally was case in point.
>=U !

[Dwood]

There was a lot of sarcasm in that post >___>

Sarcasm is my most powerful weapon.

Where did all the errors go? It just... went away.

[Con]

stay on topic please

[Sel]

Didn't get one at all yesterday; has this been fixed?

[rossmum]

No, as I got one earlier

[StankBacon]

i got a few, but alot less than before.

[Pooky]

I got one trying to open this thread... lol

They're less frequent, but still there.

[SnaFuBAR]

i got twice as many yesterday as i did the day before :|

[Corndogman]

I just got one for the first time, kind of annoying since it made me forget what I was doing.

[Needles]

I just got it. It only lasted for about 15 seconds though.