Pardon Our Dust.

[English Mobster]

I think the red dot you have looks sexy enough.
Guys, I really don't think Masterz cares about the accuracy of his scope vs. real life scopes. You seem to be forgetting that Halo takes place over 500 years in the future. I don't think they'll have the exact same scopes they do now, so, not to be insulting to anyone here, taking scopes from a gun of today is kinda stupid, IMO.

[Masterz1337]

I like the red dot one. But this isn't really my decision. I posted this because the team as a whole each had vastly different opinions on what we should do.

[Kornman00]

A red dot on your enemy is totally gonna give you away...

guess its a good thing halo doesnt support a flag saying "panic when lasered" :haw:. however, if youre using a projectile for the "laser" i'm sure you can work some kind of AI magic to where after its been on the AI for so long, it will cause the AI to notice it (maybe some form of non-harmful super-detenation?)

[sdavis117]

exactly. This would have most likely been dropped by a fellow marine.

or ODST

http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/JKLSKESUDLD/concept_art/objects/Halo3-ODST_SmgConcept-01.jpg

Bungie seems to agree with Heathen.

(That little thing on the top of the SMG is a Red Dot Laser Sight, just more compact then CMT's version because of 500 years of advancement)

[Heathen]

A red dot on your enemy is totally gonna give you away...

guess its a good thing halo doesnt support a flag saying "panic when lasered" :haw:. however, if youre using a projectile for the "laser" i'm sure you can work some kind of AI magic to where after its been on the AI for so long, it will cause the AI to notice it (maybe some form of non-harmful super-detenation?)

No, you misunderstand. Your thinking they are talking about a pointer. They mean a red dot sight. Its different. I am too tired to google up some pictures so here. http://google.com/





Bungie seems to agree with Heathen.

)
Mhm. Damn right they do.



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Korn.
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http://www.projectcoe.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/features/multi/cod44.jpg
http://www.cod4central.com/images/cod4weapons/cod4reddot.jpg
Its just a red dot projected onto the center of a piece of transparent material.

[343guiltymc]

What about a EOTECH with magnifier?

[dark57]

i think red dots just dont fit into halo.

[Heathen]

i think red dots just dont fit into halo.
Strange...because its IN halo.

[Hunter]

How about a Iron Sight but with some sort of holgram red dot floating above it? Sounds Halo to me :)

[dark57]

Strange...because its IN halo.

ya and i personaly hate it.

[Hunter]

I still think you should use none of them and make something better. This is Halo, the future. They have holograms. It would be nice for a change and something different like a iron sight style but with some hologram emitters to emmit a dot or something.

I havnt seen something like that been done before. I think it would look cool, with some pretty lights as well :)

Edit: Something like this?

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/martynball/Untitled-6.jpg

Emitters

[Masterz1337]

Pretty lights would be exactly what you don't want on a gun for specop missions.

[Hunter]

:(

But it looks nice and sparkly :)

[sdavis117]

I vote that the Red Dot Sight stays.

It looks smexy.

[Sever]

I vote that CMT does whatever they want to, and takes outside feedback only when they choose to.

[Hunter]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8923/smglagreconscopeprogresfn2.jpg

But I think it looks a bit to small for the SMG... I vote for that though ^

No holographic sight :(

[Amit]

He just said red dot, not red dot scope. I think he was just talking about a pointer.

ahh.


ya and i personaly hate it.

You haven't even seen what it looks like yet besides the compact model!

[nooBBooze]

I vote that CMT does whatever they want to, and takes outside feedback only when they choose to.
I c wut u did thar

[ICEE]

I vote that CMT does whatever they want to, and takes outside feedback only when they choose to.

I vote that they asked for outside feedback in this particular situation.

[DarkHalo003]

I honestly approve of anything but the scope, unless they trick out the scope with an awesome feature. I like the reflex scope, though they say that it's hardly an option. I say put the iron sighting in to show that CE can have iron sightings in it, since this mod is all about pushing the engine to its limit. Then again, I'm sure an intricate scope feature could be enough to make it worth having the bulk on the small SMG. It's mainly it looking funny that bothers me. Because of the SMG's look and groves on it's top, the Iron Sighting just fits it better IMO.

[p0lar_bear]

Either go with a RD sight, or a laser module. Scope looks tacky as hell, and makes zero sense.

Don't care if it's a game set in the future. If you look at all of the human weapons Bungie put into the game, they all have elements on them that make sense; nothing out of place or wierd. As much as CMT strives to put their own twist on things, there are still boundaries between cool and dumb.

[DarkHalo003]

Either go with a RD sight, or a laser module. Scope looks tacky as hell, and makes zero sense.

Don't care if it's a game set in the future. If you look at all of the human weapons Bungie put into the game, they all have elements on them that make sense; nothing out of place or wierd. As much as CMT strives to put their own twist on things, there are still boundaries between cool and dumb.
Well it's mainly the proportions of the barrel to the SMG, the barrel matching the groves, and the fact that you're putting a barrel on the SMG. Those three things just make the barrel clash with the rest of the gun and its design.

[Masterz1337]

Either go with a RD sight, or a laser module. Scope looks tacky as hell, and makes zero sense.

Don't care if it's a game set in the future. If you look at all of the human weapons Bungie put into the game, they all have elements on them that make sense; nothing out of place or wierd. As much as CMT strives to put their own twist on things, there are still boundaries between cool and dumb.
Psh You all act like Bungie takes care to make EVERYTHING make sense.

SMG recoil
H1 Forerunner Architecture
AR clip
Carbine Clip
Spiker Drum
Needler reloading

Those are things off the top of my head that they obviously took the route of making things look cool and be practice above realism.

Hell H3R has the laser sight, and it makes 0 sense for that seeing as it has iron sights built into the gun.

[Huero]

red dot sights are easier to use in an instant
hence why people mount them on weapons with iron sights in the first place

[Roostervier]

lol, you didn't know that masters?

[SnaFuBAR]

Psh You all act like Bungie takes care to make EVERYTHING make sense.

SMG recoil
recoil on an smg is extremely common
H1 Forerunner Architecture
what about it? it was supposed to be higher tier and mysterious.
AR clip
nothing wrong with it besides the capacity
Carbine Clip
alien tech
Spiker Drum
drums are commonplace
Needler reloading
explained as unknown

Those are things off the top of my head that they obviously took the route of making things look cool and be practice above realism.

Hell H3R has the laser sight, and it makes 0 sense for that seeing as it has iron sights built into the gun.
really commonplace. the laser sight doesn't replace ironsights, it's an aim assist.

.

[Kornman00]

An OSDT's helmet does more than just conceal one's identity or hinder head shots. IIRC, in Cole Protocol OSDTs have HUDs of their own (which I'm sure Recon will backup), so why would they need a red dot sight on a weapon when they have a system that works just like a spartan's HUD? Kinda doesn't help the whole "oh well its a fallen OSDT's SMG" defense...

[n00b1n8R]

The ODST's are a strike force. They don't defend (except when their backing up already established ground defences).

They attack one place, then move on to the next. They may have kept the place clear while the grunts set it up, but after thatn it would be up to the normal marines. The marines don't have HUD's.

If the marine's died after they left, then it would make sense for there to be a mix of weapons there.

But really, who gives a fuck. Lasers are cool.

[sdavis117]

An OSDT's helmet does more than just conceal one's identity or hinder head shots. IIRC, in Cole Protocol OSDTs have HUDs of their own (which I'm sure Recon will backup), so why would they need a red dot sight on a weapon when they have a system that works just like a spartan's HUD? Kinda doesn't help the whole "oh well its a fallen OSDT's SMG" defense...


Why does the BR have a scope? How about the Sniper Rifle?

[KiLLa]

Recoil on any gun for a CYBORG doesn't make sense to me..
You can fall miles, and live, but can't hold a weapon straight?
Riiight buddy..

[Masterz1337]

It uplinks to the HUDs.

Pretty much anything can always be explained if you want to make up enough back story for it. Like Snaf used Covie tech as reasoning for the carbine clip. It doesn't make sense, unless you want it too by using some made up reasoning.

And I have no clue what I was thinking with that laser-ironsights comment. I believe what I was meaning to say there's no real need for another irronsights when the SMG already has one.

[DarkHalo003]

Recoil on any gun for a CYBORG doesn't make sense to me..
You can fall miles, and live, but can't hold a weapon straight?
Riiight buddy..
Well the SMG is such a small gun, I'm sure cramming it would make it awkward to hold and recoil would be weird. Halo3's recoil was better, but it does puzzle me why Spartans move so slow. They need to be moving at 110%.....but I'm not going into H3, that's a rant not needing to happen.

But I agree Killa, WTF IS THE DEAL WITH HOLDING A GUN STRAIGHT. You can flip a tank for crying out load AND drag a 2 ton bomb across Cairo Station....

[Advancebo]

Well the SMG is such a small gun, I'm sure cramming it would make it awkward to hold and recoil would be weird. Halo3's recoil was better, but it does puzzle me why Spartans move so slow. They need to be moving at 110%.....but I'm not going into H3, that's a rant not needing to happen.

But I agree Killa, WTF IS THE DEAL WITH HOLDING A GUN STRAIGHT. You can flip a longsword for crying out load AND drag a 2 ton bomb across Cairo Station....

ftfy

[Rentafence]

But I agree Killa, WTF IS THE DEAL WITH HOLDING A GUN STRAIGHT.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction?

[markopolo]

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction?

Which in this case can easily be absorbed by MC and all his agmentations and what not.

[FRain]

ftfy

Do you even know what the fuck ftfy means? I don't see anything changed.

[Hotrod]

Do you even know what the fuck ftfy means? I don't see anything changed.
I don't know what it means...:(

[m13120]

I don't know what it means...:(
It stands for Fixed That For You.


Do you even know what the fuck ftfy means? I don't see anything changed.


But I agree Killa, WTF IS THE DEAL WITH HOLDING A GUN STRAIGHT. You can flip a tank for crying out load AND drag a 2 ton bomb across Cairo Station....


But I agree Killa, WTF IS THE DEAL WITH HOLDING A GUN STRAIGHT. You can flip a longsword for crying out load AND drag a 2 ton bomb across Cairo Station....

Try reading more closely. Advancebo, you could've bolded your change so we didn't have to search for it.

[Hotrod]

Thanks. :)

[BobtheGreatII]

But it also would have applied it someone would have fixed the "Crying out load" to "Crying out loud"

But that's just me...

[Kornman00]

WTF IS THE DEAL WITH HOLDING A GUN STRAIGHT.
Give the MC a break, he has a short attention span and wants to shoot everything up and down, damn

[t3h m00kz]

I like that answer.

[Hotrod]

Give the MC a break, he has a short attention span and wants to shoot everything up and down, damn
And that, my friends, is why you don't take augmentations and drive. If you do, then good job, you just ran over grandma.

[markopolo]

And that, my friends, is why you don't take augmentations and drive. If you do, then good job, you just ran over grandma.

I lol'd at that, and it makes sense.

[Pooky]

Recoil on any gun for a CYBORG doesn't make sense to me..
You can fall miles, and live, but can't hold a weapon straight?
Riiight buddy..

On a related note, you can fall miles and live, but on the level "The Covenant" (Halo 3) you can fall 10 feet in a Warthog and die. :eyesroll:

[AAA]

Yes Bob, I meant pointer. Thank you for your slight clarification.

and if you're going to put that red dot scope on the SSMG, atleast make it compact looking like the Recon SSMG.

[markopolo]

Yes Bob, I meant pointer. Thank you for your slight clarification.

and if you're going to put that red dot scope on the SSMG, atleast make it compact looking like the Recon SSMG.


I agree with AAA here, make it compact like in Recon.

[ICEE]

Guys thats what this entire debate has been about. CMT doesn't want to make it look like recon because it is boring.

[SnaFuBAR]

Well, going with the cylindrical scope makes it look like a cheap airsoft toy.

[Ifafudafi]

But then again, it looked like a cheap airsoft toy to start with. :ssh:

Red dot sight is okay, cylindrical scope is good. But personally, whatever speeds up the development process more would be my recommendation.

[p0lar_bear]

Psh You all act like Bungie takes care to make EVERYTHING make sense.I was talking mainly about human weapon designs. All of the human weapons they've made to date adhere to today's military standards, but with some polish and futurizing.

The SMG recoil makes sense in Halo 2. Bungie added in camera-based recoil to weapons, and that high-ROF bullet hose only rode up when you laid on the trigger.


Hell H3R has the laser sight, and it makes 0 sense for that seeing as it has iron sights built into the gun.I can slap a laser aiming module onto an HK USP/Colt M4/HK MP5/etc, and they have iron sights. LAMs are for aim assists and for the "cool factor" of being able to shoot from the hip accurately. :P

Look, all I'm saying is that the scope looks absolutely tacky and cumbersome no matter how you look at it. A red dot sight or laser aiming module would make much more sense and look better.

[Heathen]

I say even if it is boring, its the most attractive and the most efficient.

Dont ugly something up just because its "boring."

Yaknowat i mean?

E: Ugh, you guys are thinking about a laser pointer as an actual option?

PLEASE DONT DO THAT.

That would be stupid.

Pretty lights blablabla stealth missions

[markopolo]

Ok, whoever's thinking we're talking about a laser pointer is just..... not that smart. We're talking about a red-dot scope/sight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dot_sight for more information.

[Heathen]

A red dot on your enemy is totally gonna give you away...

guess its a good thing halo doesnt support a flag saying "panic when lasered" :haw:. however, if youre using a projectile for the "laser" i'm sure you can work some kind of AI magic to where after its been on the AI for so long, it will cause the AI to notice it (maybe some form of non-harmful super-detenation?)


No, you misunderstand. Your thinking they are talking about a pointer. They mean a red dot sight. Its different. I am too tired to google up some pictures so here. http://google.com/

http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/JKLSKESUDLD/concept_art/objects/Halo3-ODST_SmgConcept-01.jpg

Bungie seems to agree with Heathen.

(That little thing on the top of the SMG is a Red Dot Laser Sight, just more compact then CMT's version because of 500 years of advancement)





Mhm. Damn right they do.



_________________
Korn.
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http://www.projectcoe.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/features/multi/cod44.jpg
http://www.cod4central.com/images/cod4weapons/cod4reddot.jpg
Its just a red dot projected onto the center of a piece of transparent material.I know...

[t3h m00kz]

I've always wanted to go on EBay and buy like a 30 dollar red dot site for my pellet gun (lmao)

Could you imagine going to EBay, and finding a red dot that someone used to kill like, 30 Iraqis with, and getting it in the mail and seeing the words "GOD FORGIVE ME" carved into the side?

THAT WOULD BE FUCKING HARDCORE

[Rosco]

I've always wanted to go on EBay and buy like a 30 dollar red dot site for my pellet gun (lmao)



Airsoft bb gun?

Yah, they're 30 quid on UK sites too :)

Well, unless for some reason you're having transactions from night to day during missions, for night missions the holographic red dot sight that is shown on the SMG and the CoD4 pictures can usually be turned green. Just a little detail that doesn't mean much, but is something that, that particular red dot sight can do.

[t3h m00kz]

Nah man, airmaster BB rifle.

[Heathen]

40 pumps to break the skin :eng101:

[Masterz1337]

So we discovered what was causinga major problem in the mod last night. For the past year or so, we're not exactly sure when, we started using an older than current version of HEK+, and there has been data loss and corruption in most of the scenario tags. The most recent HEK+ rips with significantly less corruption, but there is still some minor things that go wrong. This has been causing multiple problems with the original encounters for a long time, and caused some of the biggest bugs in the mod.

We found out that the older predecessor of HEK+, HTC is able to rip the scenarios with no data loss, although there are multiple other things wrong with it that can stop maps from compiling. We plan on releasing HTC sometime soon, for other people who need to inspect the encounters as Bungie made them, since HEK+ seems to be not completely reliable.

So rejoice, another major bug's solution has been found.

[FRain]

Cool beans.

E: Yes, I recall ripping CodeBrain's phantom from a map he sent me because I was missing some tags, and I ended up corrupting about 50 different tags, including my globals which fucked up everything. This will be nice.

[Masterz1337]

HTC is not a failproof better extractor, it's an older alternative extractor which is more polished in some areas.

[FRain]

But, I was having the same problem (roughly) you had and now theres a cure for it. It's not a better extractor but it'd do the job.

[Masterz1337]

Er, it may not work as well as HEK+ on the tags that your having problems with. When I say corrupt I'm not talking about tags that don't work, I'm talking about data nd values that were corrupted when extracted. firing point AB being refed to firing points TU and such.

[Bodzilla]

jesus christ fellas there was like 200 replies on a scope on a gun back there.

dam... think everyone just needs to chillax.

[Inferno]

Pass me some of those chill pills Bod.

[sevlag]

An OSDT's helmet does more than just conceal one's identity or hinder head shots. IIRC, in Cole Protocol OSDTs have HUDs of their own (which I'm sure Recon will backup), so why would they need a red dot sight on a weapon when they have a system that works just like a spartan's HUD? Kinda doesn't help the whole "oh well its a fallen OSDT's SMG" defense...yeah, the ODSTs DO have a HUD inside their helmet, like korn here, I too read Cole protocol (very good Halo novel, best part is when adriana smashes a few grunts with a mongoose xD awesome).

but yeah why would they need the red dot, a RDS DOES help with aiming, but it may cause problems.

anyways, any NON SMG scope related news? like level completion or new skins or shit?

EDIT:

cool, so HEK+ still has flaws, thanks for findin this man.

[FRain]

Ah. Doesn't matter anyways, I fixed them a few days ago.

[Heathen]

So we discovered what was causinga major problem in the mod last night. For the past year or so, we're not exactly sure when, we started using an older than current version of HEK+, and there has been data loss and corruption in most of the scenario tags. The most recent HEK+ rips with significantly less corruption, but there is still some minor things that go wrong. This has been causing multiple problems with the original encounters for a long time, and caused some of the biggest bugs in the mod.

We found out that the older predecessor of HEK+, HTC is able to rip the scenarios with no data loss, although there are multiple other things wrong with it that can stop maps from compiling. We plan on releasing HTC sometime soon, for other people who need to inspect the encounters as Bungie made them, since HEK+ seems to be not completely reliable.

So rejoice, another major bug's solution has been found.
I am glad it was fixed, but wasn't it useless to tell us?

We hadn't known about the bugs until now...and their gone :/

Either way, I am glad its closer to release (which is why I assume you posted this)

[Amit]

but yeah why would they need the red dot, a RDS DOES help with aiming, but it may cause problems.



What if the soldier ever had to ditch their helmet for whatever reason? They'd want something good to aim with. Also, realistically speaking, you can turn a laser pointer off. As for gameplay...it all comes down to what you think would happen in RL.

[Masterz1337]

I am glad it was fixed, but wasn't it useless to tell us?

We hadn't known about the bugs until now...and their gone :/

Either way, I am glad its closer to release (which is why I assume you posted this)

I have a whole to do list and buglist which I don't have a problem with posting.I'm pretty sure the rest of the team would mind though.

[Heathen]

Ah, well good luck.

If I had ANY skills at all I would lend my ever so generous hand as help.

[ßLÃRGÄN]

I am glad it was fixed, but wasn't it useless to tell us?

We hadn't known about the bugs until now...and their gone :/
Not exactly. Now we have some reason to hope for a sooner release.

EDIT wow didn't see the information in the quotes.. still, it'd be a reason for it to be posted.

[FRain]

I have a whole to do list and buglist which I don't have a problem with posting.I'm pretty sure the rest of the team would mind though.


I don't get why the team would care about a bug list being posted other than for secret stuff. Explain please.

[sdavis117]

As long as they are fixed by the time you release it, I don't care how many bugs you have or what they are.

[Arteen]

I don't I ever showed the full pic of a30 overhead:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/cmt_a30_omg.jpg?t=1231388680
Yeah, maybe I went a bit overboard there with the new bsps. It's fun though.

[Rob Oplawar]

Arteen, I have to say, I love you. Of the levels I have tested, this one is by far my favorite.

Are those base maps new since I last tested, or has it always been that detailed and I just didn't notice?

e: oh lol i c wut u did thar

[Heathen]

Duuuuuuuuude. FUN WILL ENSUE?

you know...I still never got a solid answer though...

Could one of you smarties tell me if I will be able to play this?

SPv1 Lagged a bit so I am wondering if this will...

[Masterz1337]

You can play it, but to enjoy it you really need a high powered card. Most of CMT is able to run the mod well with an 8600GTS. Which reminds me I need to get my 8800GTX RMA'd and replaced.

[Heathen]

well that is bunk.

[DrunkenSamus]

You can play it, but to enjoy it you really need a high powered card. Most of CMT is able to run the mod well with an 8800GTS. Which reminds me I need to get my 8800GTX RMA'd and replaced.

MOST? If you have an 8800GTS you can enjoy it, period.

[Masterz1337]

Sorry, meant 8600 :X. I'm using one now, and I only get lag when playing with everything on high at 1600x1200 during the b30_beach landing, and a few encounters on c40.

[p0lar_bear]

So how well will my shitbox with a PCI 5500 run this at 640x480? :downs:

[Rob Oplawar]

I'm thinking your processor power is also going to determine how well it plays- I saw some really massive encounters in a30. With that many AI units and gbxmodels and collision models and shit... It's epic, btw.

[Masterz1337]

The Beryl encounter? I believe that encounter has over 50 AI. The Beryl BSP is the smaller bsp on the lower right hand side.

[Rob Oplawar]

That's about what I was aiming for in some of the larger BCE encounters, so it's good to hear it's possible. :)

[Arteen]

To accompany the pic of a30 overhead, here is a10 (green) and d40 (beige) overhead, with the new bsps:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/cmt_a10_omg.jpg

[Syuusuke]

Snazzy outline.

[SnaFuBAR]

I'M GONNA GET LOST DUDER

[Inferno]

How much more content does CMT SPV2 actually need! You guys are adding more content than there was actually to begin with.

[Needles]

Sorry, meant 8600 :X. I'm using one now, and I only get lag when playing with everything on high at 1600x1200 during the b30_beach landing, and a few encounters on c40.
How is your average fps? 40-60? I have the same card.

Also, would my CPU help me out a lot for this mod, or would there be little-to no effect in FPS?

[ICEE]

How much more content does CMT SPV2 actually need! You guys are adding more content than there was actually to begin with.
hurr. that is the point. If you didn't add content, in what sense is it a mod?

[Heathen]

I was gonna say that.

[Inferno]

I meant that in a different way. More of a compliment to CMT but I guess that didn't work. :saddowns:

[El Lobo]

Just got done playing through a10, some things to work on but overall a very cool and well done level.

[n00b1n8R]

This is linear right?
Don't tell me you went and added SUPER HERETICAL non-linear gameplay to my halo D:

[Masterz1337]

Don't worry about it, it's no non-linear than the rest of H1.

[Heathen]

sweeeet

[Amit]

How is your average fps? 40-60? I have the same card.


He probably means 8600GTS. The 8600GTS is considerably more powerful then the 8600GT. It also depends on the vendor of your card.

[Joshflighter]

Halo maps, now here.


I was wondering, you guys plan on this being done this year or next year? :)

If you think its a dumb question, then just ignore it. :P

[teh lag]

If it's not out this year then it won't be out. I and all of the other members are tired of doing this mod (about 2.5 years now?) and really want to be done soon. I've already set a date beyond which I just won't work anymore unless it's extrmely near to completion.

[Rob Oplawar]

Good lord, Arteen, that is a beast.
I like the addition of gameplay, but I do have to stand by what I said earlier, that a10 really doesn't need more of the same identical hallways. The new rooms and warped hallways are good, but the repetitive hallways tick me off, because even the original was too repetitive. :/

e: not that I expect you to change it this close to release. Nobody's perfect. Except me.

[Heathen]

Duuude. I wanted to read all the BIG RED TEXT. I saw it while I was in class and I couldn't read it because it was buggering. Anyone have it copied?

[Inferno]

PARDON OUR DUST QWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU GUYS FUCKING RIP
CMT RIPPS!!!

CMT RIPS. ALL THEY DO IS RIP. RIP STUFF FROM BUNGIE'S GAME (CMT, HDOAN, ZTEAM). AND YOU SAY NOT TO RIP? YOU SAY YOU CLAIM IT AS YOUR OWN?! YOU JUST PROVED IT ALL WRONG -- YOU RIPPED FROM SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH PROVES YOU WANT THEM TO BE UNPROTECTED. AND YOU STOLE, YOU STOLE THE MODEL, AND THE TEXTURES.AND THERE SPV2 SUCKS
I just hit the back button like 100 times to get back to that post.

edit-
I resized the text now give me my rep back iron. :mad:

[TeeKup]

DON'T DO THAT.

[Heathen]

um...what was he addressing?

[Inferno]

He's dark zealot he isn't addressing anything hes just posting whatever babble his brain manages to spit out.
Heathen stop making duplicate accounts.

[Heathen]

He's dark zealot he isn't addressing anything hes just posting whatever babble his brain manages to spit out.
Heathen stop making duplicate accounts.

Lol, I am guessing thats a joke on my tendency to post whatever babble my brain manages to spit out?

[Inferno]

Combined with a "Your Dark zealot" joke. 1 Heather 2 stones!





Oshit 3

[Heathen]

lul. I will murder you, but we will continue this in the visitor messages.

[NuggetWarmer]

Actually, this isn't DarkZealot.. anymore. It was when it first started, but some dickweed followers decided to take this 'tradition' back up, so now they spam whenever they can.

[Inferno]

Actually I'm not sure if it's one of dark zealots friends.

{DMT}-//-»ßx£« Inferno: Do you know a guy named freezer or something like that
אTCEMא EaGLe 21 *MP2SP*: No
{DMT}-//-»ßx£« Inferno: heh
{DMT}-//-»ßx£« Inferno: k

I was thinking about getting his xfire or something and screwing with him.

Eagle dude is dark btw.

[Masterz1337]

Dark Zealot is a friend of mine, this is just some impersonator who's building on DZ's old rep.

[Inferno]

So xfire account darkzealotx is a impersonator?

[Masterz1337]

No, that's the real one I talk too.

[Inferno]

M'kay.

[Arteen]

Masters wanted me to post some pics from the latest build of d40, so here goes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_009.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_010.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_013.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_014.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_015.jpg

[Pooky]

huh, CMT's brutes finally look like actual Brutes, who would have thought!

[dark57]

Much liking that first grunt.

[Heathen]

Very good stuff. Liking the brutes. Liking the effects we saw. This looks crisp and fun.

[Advancebo]

New doors, me likes :iia:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_014.jpg

Custom texture?

[n00b1n8R]

ORANGE GRUNTS WITH FUEL RODS?

HERESY

*BLAM*

btw those doors were always on the warthog run.

[Masterz1337]

Jcap, P0lar, and Dano all got sent D40 beta builds, so hopefully soon they'll have pics too. And polar with have perfomance results. (Edit: and now Snaf too)

[Warsaw]

Looks awesome.

One quip though that I probably wouldn't care too much about if I were playing:
The model textures are so detailed that they make the map textures look bland or otherwise underwhelming.

[Rob Oplawar]

What? Where's mine?!
jk, jk.

When are you guys gonna run proper radiosity? I keep saying, lighting is key...

[Masterz1337]

You have a50 to look at. And the lighting for a10 is pretty much finalized, you can see it in the pics.

[Advancebo]

ORANGE GRUNTS WITH FUEL RODS?

HERESY

*BLAM*

btw those doors were always on the warthog run.

Oh right...

I was always to scared to stop in case of the timer :P

By the way, is that easter egg still on the warthog run trail, or did you guys delete it for tag space?

[Masterz1337]

It's still there, sound doesn't take up tagspace.

[DrunkenSamus]

Stop making me jizz in pants, dude. :gonk:

[Heathen]

here, take this.
http://www.herbs4cure.com/img/indian_god_lotion.jpg
Called Indian God Lotion.

It cures premature ejaculation.



Now the rest of you hurry and post more pics.

[Arteen]

ORANGE GRUNTS WITH FUEL RODS?

HERESY
I agree. They should be red, at least. Also, are there any black spec-ops grunts? I don't recall seeing any.


When are you guys gonna run proper radiosity? I keep saying, lighting is key...
Only one bsp still needs fixed lighting. Everything else is good.

[Hunter]

Have the grunts been changed? Like the texture or anything?

[Masterz1337]

New detail map for their skin.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Just wondering, will the BR use new sounds, or the ones that were used in spv1?

[TeeKup]

I demand the BR sound more beefy.

[Invader Veex]

In my opinion the battle rifle firing sounds used in the last release are fine.

[Masterz1337]

BR is going to sound like the H2 BR.

[TeeKup]

Good, that one was beefy. Halo 3's was not.

[Daishi]

I actually prefer the halo 3 BR sound. It has a cool background sound that makes it have a sort of undertone. I dunno how to describe it. :/

[Heathen]

it IS alot better.
Halo 3 sounds win imo.

Of course mo doesnt matter.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

ugh, You prefer the sound of a pellet gun over a weelreal gun?

[Heathen]

if thats your way of saying h3>h2 then yes.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

h3 = pellet gun h2 - weelreal gun

[Heathen]

pellet guns hurt :[

Either way, it still sounds better IMO
IMO IMO IMO.

[Inferno]

I agree with heathen. He are smart. Halo 3's sounds are more tasty but not as realistic.

[Heathen]

see i ar smrt

[God]

Both the Halo 2 and Halo 3 BR sound exactly the same.

[DarkHalo003]

Both the Halo 2 and Halo 3 BR sound exactly the same.
No they don't. H3's BR has higher pitches in it then H2's.

[Ki11a_FTW]

not really, theres a slight change to the halo 3 one

E: screw you dark halo

[Mr Buckshot]

You can actually tell that there's a difference in the sounds between the H2 and H2 battle rifles?

I'm quite impressed 0_O.

[FRain]

You can actually tell that there's a difference in the sounds between the H2 and H2 battle rifles?

I'm quite impressed 0_O.

In before "h2 and h3" change.

[Amit]

I always thought of the Halo 2 BR as a hoarse punching and the H3 BR as a higher pitched light sound, almost like more bullets were coming out than in the H2 one.

[paladin]

Agreed...

[Heathen]

halo 2 br is all liek "Braw braw! Mofuckas!"
and h3 br is all liek "Bracka bracka! Mofuckas!

[Rentafence]

halo 2 br is all liek "Braw braw! Mofuckas!"
and h3 br is all liek "Bracka bracka! Mofuckas!

And I guess the H1 AR was all liek "BOH! DOH! DOH! BOH! DOH! DOH"
and the H3 AR is all liek "Taca! Taca! Taca! Taca"

[Reaper Man]

Pew pew

[dark57]

bag?

[Heathen]

And I guess the H1 AR was all liek "BOH! DOH! DOH! BOH! DOH! DOH"
and the H3 AR is all liek "Taca! Taca! Taca! Taca"

exactly.

h1 grenades were like
Brawkh!!
and halo 3 was like
Bakeoo!!

[ICEE]

attention guys: This is the most retarded conversation on the internet.

[Amit]

i see infractions coming. it was okay for the first few posts and then the awesome string of them emerged. I think the hit was worth it though hahaha :highfive:

[Heathen]

No, its a legitimate argument. I think that most, if not all, the halo 3 sounds are better than any on halo 1 and 2.

[Ki11a_FTW]

I personally like the Halo 3 SMG sounds more, but i like the Halo 2 BR sounds more

[Boba]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/d40_008.jpg
Please don't tell me that armored marine is final. :|

[Heathen]

I just noticed something....
you have armored and unarmored flood.

Does that mean that the one guy in the back was just experimenting with his mates before he got attacked?

[Delta4907]

What I think would be an armored flood marine would look like is that the brownish\greyish armor plates would be on the original flood marine model, since that's what the elite flood is like.

[Heathen]

I think its fine...

[Masterz1337]

Yeah, there final. And don't bitch about it because it's not even bad.

[Heathen]

I dont even understand what he dislikes...

[Captain Pakundo]

He probably means 8600GTS. The 8600GTS is considerably less powerful then the 8600GT. It also depends on the vendor of your card.

ftfy

[Delta4907]

I'm not really bitching that its bad, its fine, its your mod. I'm just saying how what I think it would have looked like, not what it should look like.

[Masterz1337]

I was refering to boba.

[DrunkenSamus]

Yeah, it looks perfectly fine to me.

[Heathen]

what?

[t3h m00kz]

I think I prefer H1's assault rifle sounds to H3's. H3's sounded like a plastic toy to me. "Blaka blaka" SMG was beast though, although the H2 one I didn't really hate too much. The clanks to the Sniper and Battle Rifle were kind of cool too, sounded more realistic to a gun, and less futuristic than they were in H2.

Also, wtf Gamma, you're not gonna win anyone over with a statement like that. What you should have done is made your own thread to promote your site instead of getting all clan-y.

[ODX]

the mp2spmt team
http://mp2spmt.t83.net/# (http://mp2spmt.t83.net/#)
owns cmtToo bad CMT doesn't care about competition, whether you're better or not.

[L0d3x]

the mp2spmt team
http://mp2spmt.t83.net/# (http://mp2spmt.t83.net/#)
owns cmt

Keep your work on your own thread please.
Besides, your work isn't that impressive.

[Inferno]

You just lost all respect you could possibly have from that one post gamma. Good job.

[kenney001]

I could do what you did in that pic in all of about 15 minutes...

[DrunkenSamus]

i dont think so

You are just oblivious to the fact that you fail at life. Nuff' said.

[Choking Victim]

Do you guys realize that replying to the spammer only makes you look as idiotic as he does?

[Billyboi456]

look its not my fault your retarted so please gtfo and hit your head against the wall

Why tell him to gtfo of a thread that he's been in like 80 times longer than you? and stop posting stuff, whether its good or bad, where it doesn't belong or in a thread that isn't yours. just leave no else wants you here and your just making it worse for yourself. pull out now before you're up to your neck in shit.

[Inferno]

He's already been banned.

[Billyboi456]

He's already been banned.

oh so i just wasted my time writing that whole thing didn't I?

[Masterz1337]

On topic. Shoudl keep you gusy plenty busy.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8333/haloce12009011113001707qv6.jpg

[Billyboi456]

On topic. Shoudl keep you gusy plenty busy.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8333/haloce12009011113001707qv6.jpg

wow never thought about being able to land a dropship there, and from looking at the HUD whats that 3rd grenade type going to be?

[FRain]

Cool beans.

[DarkHalo003]

That's cool, especially considering the marines are following you up the pyramid, whatever it's called. AR also looks awesome in that picture for some reason....

Do y'all still have regional damage on the marines? I remember reading about that some time ago....

You also FINALLY fixed the "Ammo Left" numbers on the HUD. :goat:

[Inferno]

New BSP's :awesome:
Oh I want to play this so badly.

[SnaFuBAR]

been testing d40. dramatically more fun.

[Inferno]

Everyone gets to beta but me :(

[Hotrod]

Everyone gets to beta but me :(
I don't either, but hey, what difference does it really make? In the end, it'll end up being the same product, and you'll be playing it at the same time as the grand majority of the community.

[Choking Victim]

I can has beta masters? I'm bored.

[Roostervier]

wow never thought about being able to land a dropship there, and from looking at the HUD whats that 3rd grenade type going to be?
That's the BR grenade.

[Hunter]

Is the AR more accurate? I have always hated how inaccurate it is.

[Heathen]

wow never thought about being able to land a dropship there, and from looking at the HUD whats that 3rd grenade type going to be?
Go back and read anything on CMT.
Thats the BRG.

ITs a grenade launcher on the bottom of the battle rifle used mainly to flip vehicles in previous versions.

[DarkHalo003]

Is the AR more accurate? I have always hated how inaccurate it is.
Considering they are aiming for a Halo3 AR feel and out of sheer usefulness, yes. The AR would be next to useless with the shortened clip and that bad accuracy.

[Billyboi456]

Go back and read anything on CMT.
Thats the BRG.

ITs a grenade launcher on the bottom of the battle rifle used mainly to flip vehicles in previous versions.

Oh, I know what the BR grenade is, i've played through SPv1 at least 6 times, i just thought it was a flame grenade or something

[Heathen]

Oh, I know what the BR grenade is, i've played through SPv1 at least 6 times, i just thought it was a flame grenade or something
Ah, well no.

[sdavis117]

Oh, I know what the BR grenade is, i've played through SPv1 at least 6 times, i just thought it was a flame grenade or something


Can't have 3 grenades at a time in CE (usually). That's why when you use the BR grenade you can't use the other nades.

[Advancebo]

The BR Grenade is just a secondary trigger for the weapon.

[Billyboi456]

thanks i just wanted to get that cleared up

[SnaFuBAR]

My only complaint about the AR is that the bolt reciprocation is too slow.

[ICEE]

Is it any better than the old builds I have? the bolt didn't really reciprocate at all, it went back and stayed back during fully automatic fire.

[Invader Veex]

On topic. Shoudl keep you gusy plenty busy.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8333/haloce12009011113001707qv6.jpg

I was expecting there to be some flying infantry in that pic. :[

[SnaFuBAR]

The bolt does stay back during automatic fire, and when you stop shooting, the bolt is slow to move back.

[ICEE]

Yeah, I tried to tell lag how to fix that

[Daishi]

So I was searching for information on how well this would work on widescreen...my monitor's native res is 1680x1050; will I still be able to use the shortcut manipulation to play at 1680x1050?

[n00b1n8R]

Jesus fucking christ those textures on the canyon and "bridge" are so ugly. :gonk:

[p0lar_bear]

Of course. Just expect stretched out HUD elements.

[Masterz1337]

Jesus fucking christ those textures on the canyon and "bridge" are so ugly. :gonk:

They look fine to me. Not our fault with the way Bungie set up the UVs, and there's nothing we can do about them either.

[p0lar_bear]

They look fine to me. Not our fault with the way Bungie set up the UVs, and there's nothing we can do about them either.

Remap the UVs. :eng101:

[Masterz1337]

No way to export without breaking and having to redo the bsp, which we have enough as it is already.

[n00b1n8R]

:fail:

[p0lar_bear]

Open the scenario_structure_bsp in a hex editor and do it manually. :pseudo:

[ICEE]

:fail:
Can it man. Theres only so much you can do before it becomes trivial and not worth the effort.

[n00b1n8R]

But they took the best looking level in the game and turned it into... that. :smith:

[Masterz1337]

Why don't you just can it. You didn't notice it in H1 because of the low res textures. If we went and reverted to those you'd complain how it's ugly and should be redone.

B/C40 is going to be going through some seriously cool environmental changes once we have the new BSPs done, so don't even expec tthe pyramid to look the same as it does now when we're done.

[Bad Waffle]

Instead of telling people that they should just stop talking, why don't you just change the shader to a more low-key ground bitmap that doesn't include a distinct texture?

[n00b1n8R]

Why don't you just can it. You didn't notice it in H1 because of the low res textures.
What's res got to do with what I said? I couldn't give a shit if it were half the res of the other H1 textures, as long as it didn't look bad.

I'm complaining that it looks like no rock I've ever seen. That it looks incredibly unnatural and out of place with all the other geology on halo.

[Masterz1337]

Instead of telling people that they should just stop talking, why don't you just change the shader to a more low-key ground bitmap that doesn't include a distinct texture?

Well that's what we may be doing. Regardless, it's always going to look out of place when you are using a quality cliff texture on something like an unnatural rock bridge.

It's tiring to hear people complain about things that are not our fault, that we have no practice way of changing, yet even after we tell people off about it several times, they seem to ignore it.

[n00b1n8R]

Not your fault?

It looked fine as it was. Your the ones who went "Now how can we fuck up the best looking levels in halo? I know, lets change the entire feel of the level and take away what made it special to begin with!".

[Masterz1337]

Uh, we're the ones who went out of the way to fuck it up? Maybe you should just get out of the thread then, since you know, Halo 1 seems to be hallowed grounds to you. This is a mod, sorry if you don't like it, but we're going to be doing the things we want to do. Plenty of people have complimented that cliff texture, just as an FYI. It's not our fault Bungie decided to do the UVs in the manner they did, so it looks tacky on some surfaces.

[n00b1n8R]

Maybe you should just get out of the thread then, since you know, Halo 1 seems to be hallowed grounds to you.
lol

This is a mod, sorry if you don't like it, but we're going to be doing the things we want to do. Plenty of people have complimented that cliff texture, just as an FYI. It's not our fault Bungie decided to do the UVs in the manner they did, so it looks tacky on some surfaces.
I was just expressing an opinion. I didn't expect you to change it, but I figured that you were posting for feedback and I gave it to you. :eyesroll:

[Hunter]

The cliffs look fine. Halo has always been bad for cliffs anyway.

[L0d3x]

Man, that pyramid encounter looks like teh bomb :awesome:

[Heathen]

LOL, since when is it cool to use "can it"?

It looks fine and when that part of the level comes along just bite your lip and say "It will be over soon"

[Captain Pakundo]

I guess that for the first time in years, I'll actually NOT take the Banshee at the end of aotcr and skip the pyramid... I expect epic win n' fun from SPv2, I just know it! Just do what your good at, so we can all appriciate your marvelous work! :)

[sevlag]

I guess that for the first time in years, I'll actually NOT take the Banshee at the end of aotcr and skip the pyramid... I expect epic win n' fun from SPv2, I just know it! Just do what your good at, so we can all appriciate your marvelous work! :)yeah, gives me a reason now to actually go through instead of sliding down the cliff face and walkin through an empty pyramid

[p0lar_bear]

Here's some d40 in all of it's low-res 640x480-with-no-specular-or-shadows glory! :awesome:

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=304

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=305

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=306

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=307

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=308

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=309

Didn't think to take shots of the new areas, sorry.

[ICEE]

Here's some d40 in all of it's low-res 640x480-with-no-specular-or-shadows glory! :awesome:
Spoilered for redundancy

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=307






Didn't think to take shots of the new areas, sorry.

What is this nonsense? Who did the shotgun animations? Whoever it is fucked the constraints from what it looks like. *sigh* Carbine's shaders look real nice though.

[Choking Victim]

What is this nonsense? Who did the shotgun animations? Whoever it is fucked the constraints from what it looks like. *sigh* Carbine's shaders look real nice though.
1. It's a picture
2. Obviously it was taken when the gun was ending a grenade throw animation, as you can see the remnants of a grenade particle effect straight ahead.
3. There's another shotgun pic there where this doesn't happen, further proof of #2
4. When the fuck did you become animation king of the world? Why do you feel the need to critique anything and everything that has to do with animations that you lay your eyes on? Most of what I've seen from you isn't perfect in any way.

[ICEE]

1. It's a picture
Indeed
2. Obviously it was taken when the gun was ending a grenade throw animation, as you can see the remnants of a grenade particle effect straight ahead.
Obviously nothing. Chief isn't the only one who can throw grenades.
3. There's another shotgun pic there where this doesn't happen, further proof of #2
If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that it doesn't happen when you stand still. it only happens when you move, fire, and it gets really bad when you do both at once.
4. When the fuck did you become animation king of the world? Why do you feel the need to critique anything and everything that has to do with animations that you lay your eyes on? Most of what I've seen from you
isn't perfect in any way.
I'm taking a leaf out of snaf's book. If he can crit what he sees, so can I. Also, who said I was perfect? My crit isn't intended to hurt anything, but if its making your ass sore than you can just deal.
.

[Choking Victim]

I don't know what I'm talking about? Please. Snaf's crit comes from years of experience and a job in the industry. What's yours come from? some tutorials you've found online and 1 year of fooling around in max? It's not making me sore, it's just irritating that someone in your position thinks your high enough on the foodchain to dish out crit like that every time you see something animation related. Even when they didn't ask for it.

[p0lar_bear]

I'm taking a leaf out of snaf's book. If he can crit what he sees, so can I. Also, who said I was perfect? My crit isn't intended to hurt anything, but if its making your ass sore than you can just deal.

The difference is that Snaf knows what he's talking about, and can identify exactly what's wrong with something that needs to be fixed since he's a professional.

FYI, yes I had been spamming grenades into that hallway. The shotgun animations are fine. Both pictures where the shotgun is held were taken while standing still.

[Captain Pakundo]

Jeez, every other post ends with a fight...
As for the pics(I'm on my cell phone now), They're 1337, awesome.
Well, all I can say is that I'll have to explain to H2V that it's going to be lonely for awhile... ;)

[ICEE]

The difference is that Snaf knows what he's talking about, and can identify exactly what's wrong with something that needs to be fixed since he's a professional.

You don't need to have years of experience to know what your talking about. I identified a possible issue that I myself have had many times, and I posted about it. I'm sorry that it was taken so seriously.

[SnaFuBAR]

C'mon guyz, group hug. We're all good at what we do, let's help each other out eh?

[PlasbianX]

I dont know.. that HUD.. theres something about it that I just dont like. I cant put my finger on it but I just think it looks really bad :/

[Masterz1337]

The shield bar can't have the same opacity as the rest of it.

[p0lar_bear]

Moar, new area. Woop.

I can give you guys official recommended spec to run SPV2 right.
Processor: P4 2+ GHz
Memory: 512MB
Video Card: Geforce 5 on an AGP bus.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=310
http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=311
The new large area seems to be based loosely on Boarding action, only without an lolhueg gap of abyss in between sides.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=312
POW! HAHA! *huff*

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=313

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=314
I just find these doors incredibly sexy.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=315
Everyone's least favorite map, now in singleplayer format. :gonk:
(I love Chiron, fuck you haters.)

[Inferno]

Yeah that map is made of fail...
Boarding action I mean.

I like the shotty.

[Daishi]

So when did the tritium inserts on the shotgun become red?

[teh lag]

So when did the tritium inserts on the shotgun become red?

Same time they became green for H2?

[Inferno]

And back to blue in Halo 3.
Needs more purple.

[ICEE]

Different class flood elites ftw. Do the floodified elites have any stat increases based on what class the elite that got infected was? I only ask because I see a major and zealot flood elite.

[Daishi]

I liked them blue. :D
Anyway, I'm assuming that since the shotgun is a custom model, there's custom animations for it? or not?

[Delta4907]

The doors look awesome except for the fact that the bitmap overlaps the console on the door.. so how do crewmen open a when its locked?

[Alwin Roth]

i really like how the floods are made.

stupid question, but, is it possible to make an animation where a human turns into a flood, like in halo 3?

[Inferno]

If we want to see this come out some time in the next decade, no.

[Masterz1337]

Unfortunately no, but we had an idea for new bsps in c10, where you would see captured elites in tanks where a single flood form would be introduced that would show their infection, and then the glass would shatter and it would attack you, and the ensuring firefight would blow open otehr tanks full of flood infection forms and stuff. But then we realised we were working with h1. :(.

Oh and the higher the amour on an elite flood form, the stronger their shields.

[Heathen]

sex.

Also, I loved boarding action...