Pardon Our Dust.

[DarkHalo003]

Carbine rocks. It looks awesome. The second picture with all of the flood piled on every shelf made me laugh a little inside. It looks like you just put a bunch of bipeds all over the place, which we know you didn't do.....or did you?0.o [/conspiracy]

Is that a new Flood Blood decal I see?

[stevo]

Damn guys that looks great, can't wait to play it!

[sevlag]

nice to see Elite combat form varients, which means i can no longer nade spam to clear a flood infested area >.<

still, a single shot to the flood in the chest will still incapacitate it (right?).

anyways, looking good, and I sort of like B A, it was an OKAY map.

anyways, nice to see these new screens

[p0lar_bear]

still, a single shot to the flood in the chest will still incapacitate it (right?).Idk, I was having too much fun obliterating them with the shotgun. :v:

More pics coming up.

[Advancebo]

I see that someone has figured out the puzzle of Chiron TL34 :O

Also, werent those doors in Spv1?

[Heathen]

yup, they were.

[343guiltymc]

Are those screens taken on max video settings?

[CodeBrain]

Are those screens taken on max video settings?


Here's some d40 in all of it's low-res 640x480-with-no-specular-or-shadows glory! :awesome:

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[Edward Elrich]

Wow, even 640x480 it looks sexy, especially the particles on the Sentinels. But what's with the disembodied Carbine in that pic of Chief getting owned in the face?

[p0lar_bear]

Wow, even 640x480 it looks sexy, especially the particles on the Sentinels. But what's with the disembodied Carbine in that pic of Chief getting owned in the face?

I assume you mean the elite firing the carbine at the flood in the second-to-last picture in my second post.

[ODX]

Also, werent those doors in Spv1?Obviously the doors themselves are the same, nothing was really wrong with them, but I think the skin is too. I'm pretty sure the skin is from Doom 3 also, if I remember correctly since last I played that game.

[Masterz1337]

If it's from Doom3 we'll have to remove it. The SPV1 textures mainly came from JeanLuc's Halo PC reskin, which we thought was all custom up until a day or 2 before release.

[Inferno]

Uh I doubt a texture from doom 3 would perfectly fit the UV's of the standard halo door...






OMG ALL CMT DOES IS RIP LIKE FROM HALO 3 AND DOOM 3 AND QUAKE 3 AND FABLE 3 AND FARCRY 3 AND AND HALO CUSTOM EDITOIN 3 CMT RIPS ZOMG!!!!

[Needles]

He probably means 8600GTS. The 8600GTS is considerably more powerful then the 8600GT. It also depends on the vendor of your card.

I have no idea, it came in a dell machine.

[sdavis117]

If it's from Doom3 we'll have to remove it. The SPV1 textures mainly came from JeanLuc's Halo PC reskin, which we thought was all custom up until a day or 2 before release.


id isn't too bad about that kind of thing. Ask them and they might let you keep it.

[Masterz1337]

Uh I doubt a texture from doom 3 would perfectly fit the UV's of the standard halo door...






OMG ALL CMT DOES IS RIP LIKE FROM HALO 3 AND DOOM 3 AND QUAKE 3 AND FABLE 3 AND FARCRY 3 AND AND HALO CUSTOM EDITOIN 3 CMT RIPS ZOMG!!!!


It can always be photoshopped to work with the door


id isn't too bad about that kind of thing. Ask them and they might let you keep it.

We take great pride in the fact our mod contains custom content, so even if they let us use it, or if even Bungie let us use something from H2 we would still say no, with the exceptions of sounds.

[Heathen]

when If first saw it I thougth it was from halo 2 or smething. Remember that cutscene where he is in taht red hallway? It looks liek that...

[paladin]

Masters... are you ignoring me. I think i've sent you two pm's.

[Masterz1337]

Nope, I just been waiting to see you online when I'm at my desktop. I saw you on the other day but you were idle :(.

[paladin]

Im on now, BigRedRocket3

[DaneO'Roo]

Allways hated that door texture you use masterz. Really, it looks like a game screenshot rather than a texture.

[Heathen]

Allways hated that door texture you use masterz. Really, it looks like a game screenshot rather than a texture.
this - the hate part.

[DrunkenSamus]

Im on now, BigRedRocket3

Oh god. :gonk:

[sdavis117]

So how many beta versions have you guys gone through?

[Ki11a_FTW]

So how many beta versions have you guys gone through?

probably enough

[markopolo]

That carbine looks sexy

[p0lar_bear]

As promised, more. Last batch.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=318
Small section where you fight through the crew's quarters.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=320
The needles are actually a dark blue, but they flicker light blue every now and then.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=319
You're p screwed buddy.

http://www.modacity.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=19&pictureid=321
How'd he do that? O_o

The hog run is untouched, so all you puristfags have nothing to worry about.

[Heathen]

I love how both your elite pics they are right in the middle of that ravers punch like strafe move.


Also, crew quarters....neat :D

[ICEE]

Wow, when masterchief takes off his over-helmet, the textures retrograde!

[Daishi]

I lol'd at the last pic.

[Heathen]

He keeps a spare oldy for nostalgia.

[Inferno]

Eh, why is your needler burning? You might want to get that checked out. Could be bad.

[BobtheGreatII]

Eh, why is your needler burning? You might want to get that checked out. Could be bad.

Hog in the back if I'm not mistaken...


Also, if that was sarcasm... my bad.

[FRain]

Yeah, it was probably sarcasm and a point out incase it wasnt.

Looks amazing, to me.

Also to the BigRedRocket Comment.

D: D: D: D: D: D:

[paladin]

That's my (other)name, please don't wear it out...

[DrunkenSamus]

That is the vehicle room so it could very well be a Bill Clinton warthog.

[Heathen]

Hillary?

[itszutak]

So-- any high-detail screenshots? I'm curious as to how this will look on my computer.

[p0lar_bear]

So-- any high-detail screenshots? I'm curious as to how this will look on my computer.

If my shitbox can produce visuals that good, you'll probably need new underwear, pants, chair, and cat after running it on your machine.

[Cortexian]

Yup, just send SPV2 to me and I'll grab you high-detail pics.

Masters trusts me, I had all of SPV1 before it was out, so that I could "upload" it to Haloimpulse.com, when it existed.

[sevlag]

awesome, crew quarters my good man,

kinda bleh on warthog run, I ALWAYS ran into more than one of those damn pillars or I clipped somehin and flipped over >.>

lawl'd at the helmet thing

[sdavis117]

No Halo CE map/mod I haven't been able to run at max settings. If you have anything better then my system, brix will be shat.

[DarkHalo003]

If my shitbox can produce visuals that good, you'll probably need new underwear, pants, chair, and cat after running it on your machine.
Yeah because otherwise...heh what?

This has been answered before, but if you can play TSC of SPv1, then you can play SPv2. I believe this has been clarified. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

[Amit]

Yeah because otherwise...heh what?

This has been answered before, but if you can play TSC of SPv1, then you can play SPv2. I believe this has been clarified. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

There are still uncertainties. Everyone's specs react differently to each new type of map.

[Advancebo]

Isnt the scenery for Chief's helmet at the end cutscene somewhere in the "tags\scenery\cyborg_helmet" folder? Is it planning on being changed to the new cyborg textures?

[Donut]

You also FINALLY fixed the "Ammo Left" numbers on the HUD.
i officially have nothing left to complain about with this mod
and the hud looks better now that its fixed

[Heathen]

Isnt the scenery for Chief's helmet at the end cutscene somewhere in the "tags\scenery\cyborg_helmet" folder? Is it planning on being changed to the new cyborg textures?
I hope so. If not, the final cutscene would be retarded with him grabbing an obsolete helmet.

[Masterz1337]

Well, you don't even see it close enough to tell what it is. We also are going to have a new chief biped, I just got word from Scooby he will be unable to skin it though.

[Advancebo]

Well, you don't even see it close enough to tell what it is. We also are going to have a new chief biped, I just got word from Scooby he will be unable to skin it though.

O rly? awesome.

[Heathen]

Oh? Why mess with success?

[Hotrod]

Isn't the new chief biped posted like 50 pages back?

[killer9856]

Those crew quarters was a great addition.

[Arteen]

We also are going to have a new chief biped, I just got word from Scooby he will be unable to skin it though.
I prefer our current one, personally.

[Masterz1337]

*achoo*
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/foxymccloud/Modeling/CMTArmor.jpg

It's been refined and touched up a lot since this render.

[Heathen]

meh
maybe post it to see if we like it


or fuck what we think...

[Advancebo]

Maybe have one side with Frag grenades, and the other plasma grenades. Unless you removed the grenades on the belt.

[TVTyrant]

I like the frowny face on his power-pack :D

[Heathen]

They were removed iirc.

[Achronos118]

The boots look a bit weird, other then that, looks nice.

[il Duce Primo]

If it does get skinned I hope it doesn't look as beat up as the existing one.

[Masterz1337]

It will be as pretty as that girl in your avatar. Dano's going to skin it, I think this time he's goign to go for a fresher look. Also, our moddb site should be ready to go up soon.

[Heathen]

badass. you guys getting a moddb.

Anyways, isnt that sig a bit big masters?

[Amit]

badass. you guys getting a moddb.

Anyways, isnt that sig a bit big masters?

Shit, at first I thought it was apart of his message for some random reason.

[TVTyrant]

I like the clean armor idea. It always bugged that, in Halo 2, he had just gotten the armor, and it was already all fucked up. What, did they forget how to paint in the future?

[Achronos118]

Shit, at first I thought it was apart of his message for some random reason.

Lol u arent alone :P

I think the armor in H2 was already beaten up because it was already used by another spartan who had to test it. I agree though, the MC's Mark V has been in only 2 skirmishes before the events of halo 1. Even then, the chief isn't one to get shot that bad.

[Heathen]

No, they said they just got it from wherever.

[TVTyrant]

And the armor in H3 was too clean. It was like, wtf, where'd all my fucking battle scars go? Keep it clean, I says!!!

[SnaFuBAR]

that helmet is boring as fuck.

[FRain]

And in the first picture of the thread, the chief was so beat up it was ugly.

Also, in the H3 Beta there were more scars than there were in retail, also at higher res. Don't quite know how that happened.

[Choking Victim]

And in the first picture of the thread, the chief was so beat up it was ugly.

Also, in the H3 Beta there were more scars than there were in retail, also at higher res. Don't quite know how that happened.
The retail masterchief bitmap is higher resolution (1024x1024) than the beta one (512x512).

[sevlag]

No, they said they just got it from wherever.

came up from -sounds like saw dam- this mornin, try to take it easy till you get used to the targetin system *insert the diag thing*

[Arteen]

came up from -sounds like saw dam- this mornin, try to take it easy till you get used to the targetin system *insert the diag thing*
Seongnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seongnam)

[Lateksi]

MC's new armor in H2 was tested in field by another spartan. That's in the Halo Graphic Novel and you should check out the book anyway. It's so badass.

[/offtopic]

[TVTyrant]

Why wouldn't they just re-paint it though? I'm sure they had plenty of time :|

[Heathen]

Why wouldn't they just re-paint it though? I'm sure they had plenty of time :|
Because its a game?

[ShadowSpartan]

Why wouldn't they just re-paint it though? I'm sure they had plenty of time :|
I'm sure the UNSC had better things to do than repaint armor.

[DrunkenSamus]

Because its a game?

Correctamundo.

[DarkHalo003]

It would be more or less a waste of time to redo marines, mainly because you're going to be so focused on staying alive that it would hardly matter.

[Hotrod]

It would be more or less a waste of time to redo marines, mainly because you're going to be so focused on staying alive that it would hardly matter.
That, and because they're perfect the way they already are.

[Heathen]

been stated already. About the marines.

[TVTyrant]

Besides, the marines in Halo 2/3 sucked anyways. I agree, leave them as is.

[paladin]

derailed....

[DrunkenSamus]

That, and because they're perfect the way they already are.

I agree, I just wish they would fire their weapons, and not quick single shot bursts....

[itszutak]

I agree, I just wish they would fire their weapons, and not quick single shot bursts....
I burst-fire the AR, but I do use one-second bursts and not one-shot bursts. It does make it a bit more accurate.

[DrunkenSamus]

I burst-fire the AR, but I do use one-second bursts and not one-shot bursts. It does make it a bit more accurate.

So do I, but I'm talking about the marines here....it's as if they're afraid of the recoil or something. >_>

[sdavis117]

The marines don't have the recoil control of the MC's armor. They probably are afraid of the recoil.

[Captain Pakundo]

I watched some videos on youtube showing how recoil affects people...
Once it made a scope hit the shooter's head, the other almost made a mark on a shooter's shoulder...
So yeah, I'd be, even if in the millitary, just a little afraid of recoil.

[DrunkenSamus]

I watched some videos on youtube showing how recoil affects people...
Once it made a scope hit the shooter's head, the other almost made a mark on a shooter's shoulder...
So yeah, I'd be, even if in the millitary, just a little afraid of recoil.

If they have BRs I don't care, because they fire almost as fast as I would with the BR but with with automatic weapons, nada.

[SnaFuBAR]

The marines don't have the recoil control of the MC's armor. They probably are afraid of the recoil.firing a .30 cal AR on full auto is no big deal as far as power of recoil, and i'm pretty sure some dudes who spend their time flying through face and fighting 8 foot tall aliens aren't afraid of some recoil.

[Hunter]

Why you all talking about recoil anyway? Its a game. You are not weapon manufactorers. (Spelt that wrong)

[Bad Waffle]

But some of us are gun-nuts, and thats better than being a 'weapons manufacturer' most of the time.

[Hunter]

Trigger happy if you ask me, you'd prob pop me if you saw me walking down do street, then use my corps as a test subject for weapons melee attacks Lol.

[Masterz1337]

So today we finally got to some thigns we've been putting off for a while. This includes adding an extra layer of polish to a30, which was a;ready one of our best maps, our covenant transmitters are fully working, and some problems with ai on bsp intersections were fixed. We added new encounters in to some new cave sections Il Duce made, and we figured out a way we could extend the limit of new bsps in AOTC/2 Betrayals to 6 new areas, rather than 3.

[teh lag]

As posted in my gallery thread (link in sig), this is the Covenant Transmitter that Masterz just mentioned. It's an objective in A30 and will become a standard peice of scenery (like the crates) where appropriate.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7135/ctransmittersq9.png (imageshack.us)

[DarkHalo003]

Oshi nice transmitters. Those will be interesting to see in CE. :D

[Hotrod]

So, you'll have to destroy the transmitter as an objective?

[Masterz1337]

The Covenant were nice enough to include and on/off switch.

[Sever]

Dear god that thing is way too tall! It looks great otherwise, but it would tip over even if a slight breeze developed. shorten it or give it wider supports to make it more structurally feasible.

[DarkHalo003]

The Covenant were nice enough to include and on/off switch.
Master Chief turns it off THEN blows it up. I get it. xD

[Hotrod]

The Covenant were nice enough to include and on/off switch.
Aww, how sweet of them.:)

[Amit]

What's the scale comparison of the Transmitter to the Player?

[DrunkenSamus]

Why you all talking about recoil anyway? Its a game. You are not weapon manufactorers. (Spelt that wrong)

...I was talking about how slow marines fire ARs or automatic weapons for that matter. We're not actually talking about recoil in general...god.. read posts before you. >.>

[teh lag]

Dear god that thing is way too tall! It looks great otherwise, but it would tip over even if a slight breeze developed. shorten it or give it wider supports to make it more structurally feasible.

Alright... I actually thought it looked goofy when it was smaller :S


What's the scale comparison of the Transmitter to the Player?

Blue orb reaches about to the Chief's stomach.

[Amit]

Blue orb reaches about to the Chief's stomach.

Whoa, that thing is massive.

[Sasc]

Waw that's cool. I like that blue orb, and those things right at the top, looks great.

[Inferno]

Holy shit. I thought it was just like 7 feet tall.

Can we still blow it up pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

[Advancebo]

The Covenant were nice enough to include and on/off switch.

Can I use the blow up button?

[Inferno]

The blow up button is right click.

[Advancebo]

I thought it was the button behind the keyboard :f5:

[HDoan]

Can I use the blow up button?
I wish you had one =/

[Inferno]

Oshi- Personal attack!

[teh lag]

Can I use the blow up button?

Short answer :

3SX3JnUhTaE&autoplay=1


Long answer :


-CLXDHUZnnk&autoplay=1

[Bad Waffle]

Short answer :

3SX3JnUhTaE&autoplay=1


Long answer :


-CLXDHUZnnk&autoplay=1


http://i9.tinypic.com/4xojspk.gif

[markopolo]

Can I use the blow up button?

No, you can't use blowup button just like how you can't haz recon

[ICEE]

Short answer :

3SX3JnUhTaE&autoplay=1


Long answer :


-CLXDHUZnnk&autoplay=1


legendary.

[Inferno]

My ears were raped by the last one. My volume was up to loud.

[Masterz1337]

If you guys want to talk about useless things that blow up ask lag about the trees.

[Inferno]

Lag whats up with the exploding trees?

[SnaFuBAR]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7135/ctransmittersq9.png (http://imageshack.us)
I think that the height is appropriate for the kind of equipment it is. After all, this is a communications array, and for something of that nature to work effectively it's going to need to be able to get the sigal up into the atmosphere. I say keep the height. It looks good and gives it the scale that makes it an objective type of thing. If it were small, what would possibly dictate it as an objective apart from typical scenery? What makes you walk past all the others but not this one?

It looks substantial, and it should. Keep it this big, hell, if not make it bigger!

[BobtheGreatII]

I almost think it needs tethers running from the top holding it to the ground... That's just me though.

[Heathen]

It looks badass being all tall.

[SnaFuBAR]

I almost think it needs tethers running from the top holding it to the ground... That's just me though.
ah,now that's a good idea.

[Rob Oplawar]

You guys should make every single piece of scenery destructible. It would be AWESOME!
DO IT OR I WILL HAET CMT FOREVER!!!

[itszutak]

Can we get the choice of driving a blown-up wreck of a warthog at the end of the Maw? I always loved doing that in CMTv1.

Too bad it lacked shaders :/

[Anton]

Those transmitters look as if they are similar to halo 2's but to a larger scale. I like it!:)

[Masterz1337]

You guys should make every single piece of scenery destructible. It would be AWESOME!
DO IT OR I WILL HAET CMT FOREVER!!!

I wanted trees :(

[Heathen]

You guys should get an RSS feed for this mod. Is there any way to subscribe to this thread with RSS?

[English Mobster]

Trees can be destructible, too... Ever play Battlefield: Bad Company? =P

[paladin]

That game was cool. When you threw a grenade it made a hole in the ground.

[FRain]

Trees can be destructible, too... Ever play Battlefield: Bad Company? =P

Haha, that game was fucking amazing. You could blow 15ft holes cleanly into the wall of a house using an average 40mm grenade launcher. I'm pretty sure the tagline of that game should have been "we don't use doors"

[Heathen]

Haha, that game was fucking amazing. You could blow 15ft holes cleanly into the wall of a house using an average 40mm grenade launcher. I'm pretty sure the tagline of that game should have been "we don't use doors"
Too bad the game itself was trash.

[Kornman00]

Too bad the game itself was trash.
The general developer populous uses gimmicks to sell their games. They figure the gimmicks will cause people to be blinded by the sheer amount of crap left in the game that is...well just crap. It allows them to come up with new ideas quick, implement them quick, and get credit for being "first". First poster developers. Just as annoying as their forum cousins.

[Lateksi]

I'm glad they're working on BF3 :)

[Heathen]

The general developer populous uses gimmicks to sell their games. They figure the gimmicks will cause people to be blinded by the sheer amount of crap left in the game that is...well just crap. It allows them to come up with new ideas quick, implement them quick, and get credit for being "first". First poster developers. Just as annoying as their forum cousins.
My sentiments exactly.

[TeeKup]

Too bad the game itself was trash.

What's wrong with you, that game was awesome.

[Heathen]

So how about this mod...Pretty neat stuff in here.

Are the jackal snipers gonna have glowinglights?

[Masterz1337]

So how about this mod...Pretty neat stuff in here.

Are the jackal snipers gonna have glowinglights?

Jackal's with Carbines are still up in the air.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2051/haloce12009011817485230pa7.jpg
So how do you solve a problem like this when you don't want to name all your scenery objects?
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/618/haloce12009011817484636mu7.jpg
You dump a big ass ship on it.

And this little device control was a bigger bitch than you can imagine to get working right.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2599/haloce12009011817495577xz6.jpg


And some more shit.

[ICEE]

The transmitter's holographic control panel looks sleek and cool.

[Lex1337]

Goodjob.

[sdavis117]

Masterz, post some computer specs. I want to know what kind of machine those pics were taken with.

[English Mobster]

Haha, good idea with the ship! =P

[BobtheGreatII]

Any chance we can get a better look at the skybox there? Looks kind of strange in those pictures... The ground that is.

[Masterz1337]

You can check my profile for my specs.

The sky box is still the same thing we had in SPV1. Lag was going to do one, but it's difficult because we need it to look good when viewed from any angle. If there's anyone who has made some good sky boxes before, PM me your work and maybe you can help.

[DrunkenSamus]

HEY....I like it. :)

[Heathen]

DEEhunter?

[Masterz1337]

No.... He doesn't even do his skies right.

[leorimolo]

Touch device?

That immediately makes me think of molesting the device. You should change it to activate device or something different

[BobtheGreatII]

Touch device?

That immediately makes me think of molesting the device. You should change it to activatedeactivate device or something different

FTFY

[Hotrod]

Touch device?

That immediately makes me think of molesting the device. You should change it to activate device or something different
That's the first thing that came to mind for me as well. :P

[Masterz1337]

What the hell is wrong with you people?

[Disaster]

What the hell is wrong with you people?
Everything :haw:

[ICEE]

Stop spamming the damn thread with childishness

[Hotrod]

What the hell is wrong with you people?
I'm just sick and tired, my mind works in funny ways when I'm like that...sorry about that.

[TeeKup]

Everything :haw:

You and about 5 other people need to leave.

[DrunkenSamus]

What the hell is wrong with you people?

"Touch device" sounds like rubbing it or fucking poking it, dude.

[Boba]

Normally I wouldn't get this aggressive, but would you kids shut the fuck up? Is it that fucking hard to discuss something maturely? If you were my kids I would have fucking raped you and left you at the grocery store by now. If I ever caught wind of where any of you lived I would tie you to a goddamn chair and rape and kill your family right in front of you and make you watch every second of it.

Anyway, Masterz my good man I would be enthralled at an opportunity to throw some paintings together for a skybox; I normally wouldn't go out of my way to offer help, but I am actually impressed on how this is evolving, it would be a shame to have the mod lacking in the way of atmosphere.

[BobtheGreatII]

I remain neutral in the discussion right now... But what's with the sudden hostility throughout the forum? Maybe I'm the only one who's noticed it... but holy cow. Not only do the newbies need to chill, but the senior members need to tone it down a touch.

Just saying. Please don't start yelling at me too.

[kenney001]

Normally I wouldn't get this aggressive, but would you kids shut the fuck up? Is it that fucking hard to discuss something maturely? If you were my kids I would have fucking raped you and left you at the grocery store by now. If I ever caught wind of where any of you lived I would tie you to a goddamn chair and rape and kill your family right in front of you and make you watch every second of it.

Anyway, Masterz my good man I would be enthralled at an opportunity to throw some paintings together for a skybox; I normally wouldn't go out of my way to offer help, but I am actually impressed on how this is evolving, it would be a shame to have the mod lacking in the way of atmosphere.

use a wrench. apparently it works...

[English Mobster]

I remain neutral in the discussion right now... But what's with the sudden hostility throughout the forum? Maybe I'm the only one who's noticed it... but holy cow. Not only do the newbies need to chill, but the senior members need to tone it down a touch.

Just saying. Please don't start yelling at me too.
YELL YELL YELL YELL YELL SCREAM.

There. Got that out of my system.

But it's coming together very nicely! You have my download.

[Kornman00]

Get back on topic. Or else.

[sdavis117]

So, please tell me you didn't fix ALL of your problems by putting a big-ass ship over them.

[teh lag]

We fixed ALL of our problems by putting a big-ass ship over them.


Also, if I post a picture of possible flood-brute geometry, will you guys promise to :

A) Not bitch at me if they don't end up making it in
B) Not bitch at me for reusing 99% of the original brute geometry and texturing (necessary if they're going to make it in at all, as tagslots are really cramped on some levels)
C) Understand that if I made drastic changes to the model that it would get more and more likely that they'd need an entirley new skin (which, considering how busy/away dano is, would also jeopardize their inclusion)

?

[DarkHalo003]

No bitching. >:U

Will it be textured or just modeled? I'm curious to see how it'd end up being textured really.

[teh lag]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5012/bruteflood01kt1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm not at all happy with this - if I didn't have to deal with keeping it compatible with the original skin I would put far more into it.

My main question is : Given that these would just be a novelty and wouldn't add much to gameplay, and given that I can't do much with the model if I keep the old skin, is this worth trying to get ingame (which may not even be possible) or should we just drop it here? Any additions or changes that could be made to make this less of a cheap halomaps kid edit would be much appreciated.

PLEASE KEEP THE CONDITIONS OF MY LAST LAST POST IN MIND.

[Higuy]

I think it looks nice, but not sure what it would do with gameplay considering its just another flood..

[Sunray]

I think that's worth keeping. The work's been done on it, it looks good. I like that a lot. Would the animations for this be that same as for the brute? And about how long would it take to experiment with until you are happy with it (approximately)?

It could add variation to things like the Library, as it's another enemy and relieves some monotony of seeing the same thing over again. I like the idea, it looks good and were it to go in-game, it would be a nice touch, so that's a yes from me.

But also; tagspace. If this thing takes up valuable tagspace (and time taken to work on it) that would be better used elsewhere, I'd leave it... Another tremendous statement from Cpt. Obvious :downs:.

[teh lag]

I think that's worth keeping. The work's been done on it, it looks good. I like that a lot. Would the animations for this be that same as for the brute? And about how long would it take to experiment with until you are happy with it (approximately)?

It could add variation to things like the Library, as it's another enemy and relieves some monotony of seeing the same thing over again. I like the idea, it looks good and were it to go in-game, it would be a nice touch, so that's a yes from me.

But also; tagspace. If this thing takes up valuable tagspace (and time taken to work on it) that would be better used elsewhere, I'd leave it... Another tremendous statement from Cpt. Obvious :downs:.

Even I'm not cheap enough to use the default brute anims. They would be using a custom set based on a modified version of the flood human animations.

Regarding what you said about the Library : that was my main feeling as well. They probably wouldn't fit into any other level, but for that one time I thought to might be neat.

[Arteen]

That Brute flood looks pretty nice. If you could make it less furry, that'd be great, although it's fine if you can't fix it. Is it possible to add a "flood-head" to it? Like Elite combat forms (http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050727/flood.jpg) have in their chests, Human combat forms have in their chests (http://www.toybender.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/halo3wave3003large.jpg) or necks (http://www.lowpings.net/images/Gaming-News/floodhuman.jpg), and Brute combat forms (http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/8/86/Flood_Combat_Form_%28Brute%29.jpg) have in their chests?

Will the Brute flood behave any differently than other flood, or have any special features to them (like Elite forms have shields)?

[DarkHalo003]

The head looks fugly, but then again it's the flood and it's covered in fur. I agree with a lot that Arteen said. Will this have anything different to offer compared to an Elite or human combat form? I mean, would it retain it's power armor or jsut have more health?

Looks generally well done though. The tentacles and shit poking out of it is sick nasty.

[teh lag]

That Brute flood looks pretty nice. If you could make it less furry, that'd be great, although it's fine if you can't fix it. Is it possible to add a "flood-head" to it? Like Elite combat forms (http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050727/flood.jpg) have in their chests, Human combat forms have in their chests (http://www.toybender.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/halo3wave3003large.jpg) or necks (http://www.lowpings.net/images/Gaming-News/floodhuman.jpg), and Brute combat forms (http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/8/86/Flood_Combat_Form_%28Brute%29.jpg) have in their chests?

Will the Brute flood behave any differently than other flood, or have any special features to them (like Elite forms have shields)?


The head looks fugly, but then again it's the flood and it's covered in fur. I agree with a lot that Arteen said. Will this have anything different to offer compared to an Elite or human combat form? I mean, would it retain it's power armor or jsut have more health?

Looks generally well done though. The tentacles and shit poking out of it is sick nasty.


They may have shields, but they're otherwise a gimmick. Just a way of mixing up the bore of flood combat. I may make small edits to the skin, which could then include the "flood head" and remove the fur, but I'm not so confident in my abilities to that end :p. The main concern is being able to use the original base textures.

[Arteen]

I may make small edits to the skin, which could then include the "flood head" and remove the fur, but I'm not so confident in my abilities to that end :p.
So either way we'll end up with a deformed, disgusting monster? :D

[Heathen]

Dear god I hate that brute.

Its good as a concept but I hate the idea.

[Hotrod]

I say keep it in, unless there's something else very important that you'd be taking out. If you could do the things that Arteen suggested, then that'd be great, but if not, then that's good too. Anything to add more variety to the Flood is a good thing.

[TeeKup]

The flood head of the brute grew out of the throat/mouth. That might be rather difficult to model. Just contort the head back a little bit and make it fumble and add the flood head in the chest.

[n00b1n8R]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5012/bruteflood01kt1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm not at all happy with this - if I didn't have to deal with keeping it compatible with the original skin I would put far more into it.

My main question is : Given that these would just be a novelty and wouldn't add much to gameplay, and given that I can't do much with the model if I keep the old skin, is this worth trying to get ingame (which may not even be possible) or should we just drop it here? Any additions or changes that could be made to make this less of a cheap halomaps kid edit would be much appreciated.

PLEASE KEEP THE CONDITIONS OF MY LAST LAST POST IN MIND.
If it's not going to add anything to gameplay, and you don't think you'll be able to make it much prettier (read: less fur, more necrosis) then I wouldn't bother.

But if you could make them climb walls or ceilings, that might make shit crazy :o

[Heathen]

If it's not going to add anything to gameplay, and you don't think you'll be able to make it much prettier (read: less fur, more necrosis) then I wouldn't bother.

But if you could make them climb walls or ceilings, that might make shit crazy :o
Actually...what noob said.

Make them different somehow...

[TeeKup]

My suggestion was to have the brute flood an entirely different class of flood. Like somehow the infection causes a permanent berserk mode, where they're running on all 4's. The player would have to wait till the opportune moment to kill him, I.E. when they try to jump at him. They would attack in groups of 4's so that would demand the players immediate attention. I thought it would dynamic twist to gameplay.

[Heathen]

My suggestion was to have the brute flood an entirely different class of flood. Like somehow the infection causes a permanent berserk mode, where they're running on all 4's. The player would have to wait till the opportune moment to kill him, I.E. when they try to jump at him. They would attack in groups of 4's so that would demand the players immediate attention. I thought it would dynamic twist to gameplay.
tl;dr version...

make them into l4d hunters.

[Masterz1337]

That would never work though with the amount of tagspace a whole new animation graph would require. Not to mention, new model and colli models are already going to be a problem if we do brutes, since flood forms have very large models and collisions, due to regional damage.

[Heathen]

Good. Then its settled. No flood brutes.

[sevlag]

i liked the biped as the flood form had transformed the body to the point where the chest armor was askew, its not the H3 brute flood, its better. the H3 brute flood looked horrible, if you do cut it then thats a shame. what would become of it if it became cut? would it just rot in CMT's tag vault or would you send it into the wastelands o halomaps to be ravaged and taken advantge of by people...

(the last part doesn't refer to me, I myself HATE brutes in general, so yeah)

anyways, lookin good. when in doubt, throw a big ass ship over things xD nice

[Inferno]

Good. Then its settled. No flood brutes.
They were kind of ugly anyway.

[sdavis117]

So it's just flood elites and flood humans?

Sounds good to me.

[markopolo]

i liked the biped as the flood form had transformed the body to the point where the chest armor was askew, its not the H3 brute flood, its better.

I agree with you, but looks like they're not gonna make it into the final cut.

[Heathen]

Their's already
1. Infection form
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/thumb/6/65/Flood3.jpg/180px-Flood3.jpg (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Flood3.jpg)
2. Two types of Combat Forms
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/thumb/a/a6/1195430022_100.jpg/180px-1195430022_100.jpg (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Image:1195430022_100.jpg)
3.Carrier Forms
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/thumb/9/93/Flood_carrier.jpg/180px-Flood_carrier.jpg (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Flood_carrier.jpg)
4.Proto-Graveminds
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/thumb/9/91/Flood_Brain_Form.jpg/180px-Flood_Brain_Form.jpg (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Flood_Brain_Form.jpg)
5. Maybe a Special CMT only type.


I think one less flood is okay.

[Advancebo]

Maybe that flying one Dano made :O

[Masterz1337]

That's never going in.

[Advancebo]

Theres really no point in a Brute flood form in the mod, unless you want another enemy to fight and a tougher one to take down.

[Inferno]

Less flood brutes more release. Kthxbai.

[Ki11a_FTW]

imo flood brutes are a waste of time, and tag space

[Malloy]

flood brutes add authenticity to the mod, pretty wierd that there are healthy brutes but not flood brutes when they get shat over in a flood level.

makes it more believable of a universe and clears up a possible question in the gamers mind "Why are there no flood brutes when I just saw 5 get raped by some infection flood ?, hmm wtf must be a dev error"

leave them in, look pretty anyways.

[Inferno]

Or you could just use your imagination and we could actually have the mod released before Halo 4.

[=sw=warlord]

flood brutes add authenticity to the mod, pretty wierd that there are healthy brutes but not flood brutes when they get shat over in a flood level.

Ever seen a floodified hunter in any of the halo series?
didn't think so.
Looks good so far, sim sure once all the content you lot have compiled comes together it will look rather good.

[Heathen]

flood brutes add authenticity to the mod, pretty wierd that there are healthy brutes but not flood brutes when they get shat over in a flood level.

makes it more believable of a universe and clears up a possible question in the gamers mind "Why are there no flood brutes when I just saw 5 get raped by some infection flood ?, hmm wtf must be a dev error"

leave them in, look pretty anyways.
Didn't bother anyone in halo 2 did it?


Ever seen a floodified hunter in any of the halo series?
didn't think so.
Looks good so far, sim sure once all the content you lot have compiled comes together it will look rather good.

Its impossible for them to get infected because they are made of a series of eel like creatures. Thats why you dont "Ever seen a floodified hunter in any of the halo series"

[n00b1n8R]

You couldn't just sow them around the place as bodies?

Perhaps the flood aren't really compatible with brutes. They can infect them but the host won't last for more than a minute or two.

[ICEE]

Heres a thought, if you want to use brute flood you could make them carriers, since all combat forms eventually become carriers anyways. It would need its own model/anims/textures, but could use mostly the same stuff you posted. The model would need to be expanded, maybe make the head flopping off on the side, but it would be interesting to fight.

in some levels they could replace the original carriers, and it might add a twist to gameplay to make them faster than normal carriers or something. Just speculation of course.

[Heathen]

You couldn't just sow them around the place as bodies?

Perhaps the flood aren't really compatible with brutes. They can infect them but the host won't last for more than a minute or two.

In halo 3?

Also,
The Flood go through 4 distinct developmental changes.


1. Feral (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Feral_Stage) stage is the lowest form: communicating via pheromones, and have the natural instinct to harvest enough calcium to establish a viable Gravemind. (Seen in Halo: Combat Evolved (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Combat_Evolved))
2. Coordinated (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Coordinated_Stage) stage is when the Flood become truly dangerous; they now take orders from the Gravemind that was created in the first stage. (Seen in Halo 2 (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_2))
3. Interstellar (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Interstellar_Stage) stage allows the Flood to take control of most technology and spread throughout the galaxy to infect more hosts. (Seen in Halo 3 (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_3))
4. Intergalactic (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Intergalactic_Stage) stage[14] (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood#cite_note-13) the last known stage the Flood enters, theoretically, in which it utilizes all captured technology to depart to uninfected galaxies to further replicate. It is assumed that the Flood that had arrived in the Milky Way had descended from Intergalactic level Flood. (Seen in the Forerunner-Flood War (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner-Flood_War)).



You could play it off by saying, they weren't evolved enough to take over the brutes bodies yet.

[L0d3x]

Derailing the flood convo here for a second...

Pics of my epic 3 hour journey through a30:

I call this one: "bridge of light":
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1813/cmt2hz2.jpg

And this little beauty I have doped "the jeep friends":
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3760/cmt3sh8.jpg

[Dwood]

What is that green light coming out of the hunter?

[Ki11a_FTW]

i think someone with the carbine is shooting him

[Heathen]

Yes, that is what it is. Looks great.

[Inferno]

Masterz you win for putting a Gauss hog on that map. I love Gauss.

[Heathen]

How well done is the gauss hog?

[DrunkenSamus]

The thing that bugs me with Marines on the gunner, is that they miss like three times but hit their target dead on the 4th time with the gauss.

[Amit]

flood brutes add authenticity to the mod, pretty wierd that there are healthy brutes but not flood brutes when they get shat over in a flood level.

makes it more believable of a universe and clears up a possible question in the gamers mind "Why are there no flood brutes when I just saw 5 get raped by some infection flood ?, hmm wtf must be a dev error"

leave them in, look pretty anyways.

I don't remember seeing flood Brutes in Halo 2, nor did I see bodies of "floodified" brutes. Do brutes even have flood forms in Halo 3? Hell, they got all those nasty pure forms that you don't need brute forms.

[itszutak]

I don't remember seeing flood Brutes in Halo 2, nor did I see bodies of "floodified" brutes. Do brutes even have flood forms in Halo 3? Hell, they got all those nasty pure forms that you don't need brute forms.
The flood brutes were, ironically, the weakest ones. They fell apart like cheese when meleed.

[Heathen]

I don't remember seeing flood Brutes in Halo 2, nor did I see bodies of "floodified" brutes. Do brutes even have flood forms in Halo 3? Hell, they got all those nasty pure forms that you don't need brute forms.
There weren't any. I said that.

[Amit]

There weren't any. I said that.

yes, I know you did. I was asking about Halo 3.

[Corndogman]

They should just replace the flood with replicators.

Stargate nerd, lol

[DarkHalo003]

The flood brutes were, ironically, the weakest ones. They fell apart like cheese when meleed.
That disappointed and annoyed me. I always thought brute flood would be fucking crazy, like berserking times 10. I was wrong though. :(

[markopolo]

yes, I know you did. I was asking about Halo 3.

Yes there are flood brutes in Halo 3, http://loler-arbiter.blogspot.com/2008/02/flood-forms.html they're the bottom picture.

[Heathen]

Uh...how many of you haven't played halo 3 :confused:

[markopolo]

Uh...how many of you haven't played halo 3 :confused:

That is a very good question. I for one have played it.

[sevlag]

back on topic...

nice pictures, now I've always wanted to know why you made the hunters red. I'm just asking because I don't think it was ever divulged.

anyways good work, keep it up and can't wait to DL this SP mod one...map...at...a...time...from...halo...maps (annoying thing really)

[sdavis117]

Back onto a useful topic that isn't derailing the thread.

I see lots of people here posting Beta pictures. How many people have this beta?

Edit: Sevlag sniped me getting back on topic... damn.

[sevlag]

Back onto a useful topic that isn't derailing the thread.

I see lots of people here posting Beta pictures. How many people have this beta?

Edit: Sevlag sniped me getting back on topic... damn.

damn right I did

also, the beta testers are people within CMT or have EXTREMLY close relationships with masterz via multiple means.

[sdavis117]

I know, I mainly want to know the number. I'm just curious is all.

[Arteen]

back on topic...

nice pictures, now I've always wanted to know why you made the hunters red. I'm just asking because I don't think it was ever divulged.
There are different Hunter ranks, just like there are different Elite ranks.

[Pooky]

There are different Hunter ranks, just like there are different Elite ranks.

Do they all still collapse ingloriously after 1 pistol shot to the back?

[sdavis117]

Do they all still collapse ingloriously after 1 pistol shot to the back?


I hope so. Making it that way throws a wrench into the idea of always taking a vehicle. In a vehicle (on harder difficulties) a hunter can kill you with ease (even a tank has to deal with 2 targets). On foot, with a pistol, hunters can easily be dispatched. This makes you think about the dangers of using a vehicle.

[Amit]

I see lots of people here posting Beta pictures. How many people have this beta?



I know, I mainly want to know the number. I'm just curious is all.

This is irrelevant.

I always wondered why they went down in one hit. In Halo 2 they took a few good hits to the orange before going down. I haven't played much of Halo 3's campaign so I can't say I've met them yet.

[sdavis117]

The original pistol bullets explode on impact (according to the book). Halo 2 weapons (except the Rocket Launcher and Fuel Rod ofcourse) don't explode on impact.

Shoot a sniper into an anthill and you get several dead ants. Drop a small grenade in a similar hill, and you get a dead colony.

[Masterz1337]

Well, other than team members who have beta builds, the list is rather small.

The best way to take down one of our hunters is to stick the orange spot with a grenade. Guarantees a kill no matter what rank they are.

[TeeKup]

I want to play damn it, but I lack a suitable computer.

[Pooky]

I hope so. Making it that way throws a wrench into the idea of always taking a vehicle. In a vehicle (on harder difficulties) a hunter can kill you with ease (even a tank has to deal with 2 targets). On foot, with a pistol, hunters can easily be dispatched. This makes you think about the dangers of using a vehicle.

That works on the levels with both vehicles and Hunters, but once I discovered the one shot pistol kills on Hunters, they became laughably pathetic on Silent Cartographer. Especially when Cortana tells you you need heavy weapons to bring them down :\

(not to mention if you want to be a complete dick, Hunter shields don't hold a candle to the plasma rifle melee attack)

[sdavis117]

So make "minor" Hunters (same health as original hunters) appear in vehicle levels, and "major" hunters (more health/sheilds) appear in non-vehicle levels.

[Arteen]

Here's another set of pictures from a30.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_018.jpg

[TeeKup]

That Charge Shot is amazing. That forerunner texture with the carbine is not.

[dark57]

The hogs D: they remind me of those ugly hogs in CMT coag (the old one with the ripped stuff)

[sdavis117]

I see you didn't change the marines or the Pelican :awesome:

You need to make the flashlight have an infinite charge time though, that level looks so dark.

[Masterz1337]

You mean the hog shaders CMT has like, always used? Those are unlikely to change.


I see you didn't change the marines or the Pelican :awesome:

You need to make the flashlight have an infinite charge time though, that level looks so dark.

The marines have new shaders and so do the pelicans.

Of course parts of the levels look dark, you don't think we'd run propper lightmaps when there are still continuous revisions to the bsps do you?

The flashlight in the mod is unlimited though however.

[Heathen]

That Charge Shot is amazing. That forerunner texture with the carbine is not.
You are definitely right.

[Inferno]

I thought Dane painted awesome textures for CMT? Why do the ones on the forerunner look so.... Not.

The sniper is amazing though.

[ICEE]

That Charge Shot is amazing. That forerunner texture with the carbine is not.


^^ this most definitely. The sniper screen looks awesome too.

[Daishi]

One minor thing; in the screenshot with the just-fired charge-shot, it looks like chief's hand is clipping halfway through the plasma pistol's grip. Am I seeing something else or is it really clipping that much?

And more importantly, is it noticeable ingame?

[ICEE]

One minor thing; in the screenshot with the just-fired charge-shot, it looks like chief's hand is clipping halfway through the plasma pistol's grip. Am I seeing something else or is it really clipping that much?

And more importantly, is it noticeable ingame?

Thats probably because lag animates with a different rig than the one that is used in game.

[Masterz1337]

Happens with all particles if the geometry intersects. It's not noticeable ingame though.

[markopolo]

That sniper looks awesome as heck, same with the carbine. In fact the whole thing looks awesome.

[sevlag]

nice a30 screens

but was the inside life pod screen really needed? we all know what happens to the marines in your life pod...they take a nap after landing because it was ever so exciting >.<

[t3h m00kz]

Holy fuck dude, I've got to see more of that sniper. IT LOOKS CRAZY DAWG

[n00b1n8R]

This is irrelevant.

I always wondered why they went down in one hit. In Halo 2 they took a few good hits to the orange before going down. I haven't played much of Halo 3's campaign so I can't say I've met them yet.
I played H3 campaign for the first time today and went up against some hunters (heroic). To stop people fucking with the orange, they seemed to have shrunk it's size/put more armour overlapping it so that you can't really see it from directly behind. They also made them turn around much quicker (smashing your face into the ground as soon as they did if you were close enough)and stop their charges quicker.

If you guys could implement stuff like that into the higher level hunters, that'd be awesome. :awesome:

[DrunkenSamus]

Ummm...whats up with the second last picture with the marine in the passenger seat? It looks as if there's a Carbine shot coming out of his BR. -_-

[Invader Veex]

it looks like an elite is shooting the marines to me.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_006.jpg


Hmm, i wonder what those marines are looking up for...

thumb tag wont work

[343guiltymc]

Banshee probably

[Masterz1337]

Ummm...whats up with the second last picture with the marine in the passenger seat? It looks as if there's a Carbine shot coming out of his BR. -_-

The brute is firing at him with the carbine. AI always shoot at the center of their target, even if the unit they are targeting is in a vehicle.

[Ifafudafi]

Here's another set of pictures from a30.
{pics}


Personally, I think that massive electricity shot following the charge looks like ass; not because of the sprites, but because it's too cluttered and fancy. The actual projectile is awesome, though.

Forerunner textures are also ugly, but I could easily fap to everything else. But then again, what are my criticisms worth :eyesroll:

[Heathen]

Personally, I think that massive electricity shot following the charge looks like ass; not because of the sprites, but because it's too cluttered and fancy. The actual projectile is awesome, though.

Forerunner textures are also ugly, but I could easily fap to everything else. But then again, what are my criticisms worth :eyesroll:
this

[DrunkenSamus]

it looks like an elite is shooting the marines to me.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/cmt/a30a_006.jpg


Hmm, i wonder what those marines are looking up for...

thumb tag wont work

SECOND-LAST PICTURE. :rolleyes:

[sevlag]

lookin good, any screens of other maps, or you savin those up?

[t3h m00kz]

Had these around for a while, never got around to posting them. Masterz gave me the okay then, so I'm hoping he's fine with it at this point. (IF NOT LET ME KNOW MAN)

Sparrowhawk in action


WHA-BLAM


It's time for your injection


Bitch best STEP BACK


I was originally going to write a big ass review of the level, but never really got around to it. To cut the spoilers short, overall I was surprisingly delighted at what's happening in the first screen.

I'm sure that version is obsolete by now, unfortunately, but whatever. Better late than never.