Oh noes Windows 7...

[korori]

I decided to try out Windows 7. I will not release how I obtain it though it is only a 30 trail :(. Though I actually like it in a way.
http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/logon.jpg
At first Microsoft disable the new start bar so i had to figure out how to re-enable it.

http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/aa.jpg
They added a lot more Control Panel Items.

http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/Control_Panel.jpg

New layout on some old programs Also it includes IE 8
http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/pad_paint.jpg

Theme Options
http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/theme.jpg

My Main Concern was the ram. When i boot Vista with out any addons it takes around 1.1 gigs. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Well to my surprise it looks like M$ fix the Memory problem
http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/oh_ram.jpg

Note this is all in Virtual PC.

I am still playing with it pushing it beyond what it should do. Im going to see how well it works when i get my new hard drive in. Not running it through Virtual PC. Ill try Visual Studio. Running My harsh bat loop back programs. A few games that require tons of system resources.

But like vista this is only a beta and is subject to change.

So far with out any programs install I rate it 7/10. A bit better at handling ram but the navigation is still kinda annoying. I like XP when i could click the up arrow. But that is just me. Also the themes kinda screwed up. The transparent colors don't work. Blah. Doesn't affect me since i turn it off. But Ill have to find out if they decided to fix that. Oh and if you have any programs to test tell me. I might try it depending

[Falcon_Troy]

Is this an upgraded Vista or a new OS?

[Hotrod]

Hmm, seems interesting, though I can't say that I like the start bar. The new Paint looks cool, though I rarely ever use Paint... I'm glad that they mixed the RAM issue, even if it doesn't really affect me too much.

[korori]

New OS read the Title its Windows 7. I think they only worked on a few of the programs that seemed to have memory leaks. Not rebuild from the ground up.

Hotrod: Vista doesnt really affect me right now. I just hate that it takes that much to run basic OS functions.

[Heathen]

Its interesting to me. I was looking it up a few days ago.

I will move to it when its done.

[Evil_Monkey]

I personally do not like that task bar, looks like a mix between the classic version and vista.

[LinkandKvel]

yea task bar is fugly. Also spoiler tags plz.

[korori]

Well before I enabled the hidden task bar it was like this.

http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/capture.jpg

[Amit]

Actually, Windows 7 is built from the ground up.

[korori]

It maybe.

Another neat thing they added look next to the clock on the right.
It allows you to show desktop if you click it.


:( it wont let me change the title.

[LinkandKvel]

thumbnail or spoilers plz....scrolling just to see replies are starting to hurt my eyes.

[Falcon_Troy]

So those of us running XP are going to be really behind now...and yet not. :3

[Phopojijo]

Is this an upgraded Vista or a new OS?There wasn't really anything wrong with Vista except word-of-mouth.

Vista made a bunch of enhancements, unfortunately it isn't realized because ~95% of the enhancements are under-the-hood.

Sure there's not much reason to upgrade unless you're security-conscious, but still.

[Masterz1337]

I am still waiting for proper sound and video drivers for my computers running vista.

[dg]

6801 or 6933?

To my knowledge, 6933 wasn't leaked...

[Falcon_Troy]

There wasn't really anything wrong with Vista except word-of-mouth.

Vista made a bunch of enhancements, unfortunately it isn't realized because ~95% of the enhancements are under-the-hood.

Sure there's not much reason to upgrade unless you're security-conscious, but still.I just haven't seen any features within Vista that are actually valuable instead of gimmicky. XP just seems to work without a lot of fluff.

[flibitijibibo]

So uh... Windows 7 is Vista with upgraded programs and fixed RAM usage? I always figured that would be a service pack thing.

[BobtheGreatII]

So uh... Windows 7 is Vista with upgraded programs and fixed RAM usage? I always figured that would be a service pack thing.

Well if you're gonna be that blunt about it... There are many other things that are gonna be done. You people need to stop jumping to conclusions, the thing isn't even out of it's beta stages yet.

[k4is3rxkh40s]

So uh... Windows 7 is Vista with upgraded programs and fixed RAM usage? I always figured that would be a service pack thing.

Why fix it when you can call it something else and profit even more?

[BobtheGreatII]

Why fix it when you can call it something else and profit even more?

What's wrong with vista that everyone has to bash it? I've never had a problem with it.

To me it seems it's user error more than the operating system.

[Hotrod]

Exactly, I haven't had any problems at all with Vista, and it's been running much better than XP has. How much do you want to bet that the same thing will happen with Windows 7, and everybody will forget how "bad" Vista was?

[k4is3rxkh40s]

What's wrong with vista that everyone has to bash it? I've never had a problem with it.

To me it seems it's user error more than the operating system.

I've never had much of a problem with it except for randomly high CPU usage, I just reaally don't like microsoft since I've had to send my 360 in every few months because of general overheating and disc drive failure for no reason. On top of that, the second xbox I've bought completely ruined 2 games out of nowhere, just completely scratched them, and upon calling microsoft they said they could replace the games, charged my mom's credit card $20+ for each game, then sent them back(not even /my/ actual discs) saying basically "LOLHURRR WE CAN'T REPLACE THESE, BUT WE'LL KEEP THE MONEY KTHNX"

[korori]

The only major problem is it takes resources like crazy. Ram starts at 1.2 gigs fresh install. And IE is worthless. Like that matters I use firefox. And several of my programs are not compatible with vista so I have to run Virtual PC to use it. And I prefer XP Navigation more. Mainly just the UP arrow thing in windows explorer. Other than that its an okay OS.

[Anton]

Seems to me like you are exaggerating. This was built from ground up, and besides vista isn't like everyone accused it as being.

Personally I love vista, and I prefer it over XP for most things.

[BobtheGreatII]

I've never had much of a problem with it except for randomly high CPU usage, I just reaally don't like microsoft since I've had to send my 360 in every few months because of general overheating and disc drive failure for no reason. On top of that, the second xbox I've bought completely ruined 2 games out of nowhere, just completely scratched them, and upon calling microsoft they said they could replace the games, charged my mom's credit card $20+ for each game, then sent them back(not even /my/ actual discs) saying basically "LOLHURRR WE CAN'T REPLACE THESE, BUT WE'LL KEEP THE MONEY KTHNX"

Well you managed to turn this into a Vista bash to a 360 bash. If you don't like it, find a different console, no one is here to hear you complain about how much you don't like Microsoft because of a faulty product. I know many people who have had a 360 and have never had it fail. I can tell you this, all consoles and all electronic products in general have a habit of failing. You can't get away from it. So of course Microsoft is gonna release something new, they will fix some stuff, it's not going to be perfect, no OS will be.

[korori]

True that BobtheGreat that is why i quad boot.
MAC OS 10.5.4
Vista Business 64-bit
XP Professional
Salaris (linux)

[BobtheGreatII]

True that BobtheGreat that is why i quad boot.
MAC OS 10.5.4
Vista Business 64-bit
XP Professional
Salaris (linux)

Madness! :lol:

[korori]

Ya but its worth it. LOL

[dg]

6801 or 6933?

To my knowledge, 6933 wasn't leaked...

Korori, please answer this. Do a cmd --> winver.

[Huero]

Does Windows 7 add any new functionality that's worth mentioning?
Not necessarily related to the topic post, but I'm just curious.

[BobtheGreatII]

Korori, please answer this. Do a cmd --> winver.

It's 6801... is everyone too lazy to look at the pictures?

[korori]

Here you go: dg
http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/winver.jpg

[dg]

Thank you, korori.


It's 6801... is everyone too lazy to look at the pictures?

Wow, asshole. I asked a simple fucking question and then you assume that I'm "too lazy" to look at the screenshots.

I asked because he talked about in his post saying that he had to re-enable the SuperBar. I didn't know that this could be done in 6801, therefore I asked him to clarify it.

Fuck yourself. Please.

[BobtheGreatII]

Pointless name calling.


Wasn't specifically talking to you, people had asked before you.

But thanks though.

[korori]

I actually cant wait for the next beta release. And when it comes out. This one is kinda neat.

[dg]

I never said pointless name calling. Failed again.

korori: did you download the .exe for ProtectedPackages for 6801 or did you use strictly command line?

[korori]

I had to download that ProtectedPackages and used bat file to run those commands. I started googling around why this looked like vista and the reason what i could come up with was they are still working on the theme.

[BobtheGreatII]

I never said pointless name calling. Failed again.


I summarized your post up, I don't need to clutter this thread with your filth... wait, too late. Sorry in advance to everyone else, but I hate to see points not made.

[Zeph]

Well to my surprise it looks like M$ fix the Memory problem
I'm sorry, but there is not a memory problem. Preloading the applications you're most likely to load into memory is not memory usage. If that memory is needed, it will be allocated for whatever needs it.

Anyways, glad to see that there's a way to return text to the task bar at the bottom. I always keep several explorer windows open and need to see their names so I can keep track of which is which.


Does Windows 7 add any new functionality that's worth mentioning?
Not necessarily related to the topic post, but I'm just curious.

What new functions could possibly be implemented? I mean, it's an OS not a productivity application.

New OS iterations simply become more optimized for the day's hardware and run tasks more efficiently.

[korori]

This is just loading The Operating system leaving it alone for 10 min after disabling a few of the services).

Zeph is correct. They only change applications to better preform with the hardware and user ease.
http://korori-gaming.com/ohnoes/vista_ram_issue.jpg

I just glad i have 4 gigs and waiting on my other 4 gigs to come.

[Zeph]

I am still waiting for proper sound and video drivers for my computers running vista.

You should try buying hardware from manufacturers that actively develop and deploy drivers.


I like XP when i could click the up arrow.
You know, you can move up directories by clicking on the respective folder in the address bar, right?

[Dwood]

Anyways, glad to see that there's a way to return text to the task bar at the bottom. I always keep several explorer windows open and need to see their names so I can keep track of which is which.

Same here I usually have around 3-6 open at once.

New OS iterations simply become more optimized for the day's hardware and run tasks more efficiently.

Yeah... they are supposed to be but sometimes the updates might as well have been a $50 addon pack..




.
What I want to see one day is an OS interface to be truly 3d like an actual desk or something like that. I was hoping someone at MS would get the idea but it seems I am left to constantly annoying Linux devs about it.

What's the biggest difference between windows 7 and Vista, would you state, Kororo (?)

[korori]

Ya i know but after using Xp for years I got used to it like that. Really there isnt much of a difference. I think thats the point though. B/C vista and Xp where a huge leap and people at first hated them and now love them once they got used to it. So i think it will be a slow change if any in the gui.
But i would say its the preformance. Though right now its giving me windows installer errors (please make sure it is configure correctly) so I couldnt install open office to see. Ill try some programs like h2vista or css maybe.

[Sel]

Cool reskinned vista :awesome:

Really though I could give a flying shit about the effects, sure they're nice, and I really don't mind them but I'd be happier if they just left those up to 3 people to work on and then spent more time and money working on innovative new features and security instead of prettying it up.

Still though, ignore the morons crying about vista's use of ram. I had it running for a while on a laptop with a pentium 4, and 512 MB of ram, and it ran fine. The OS itself does not use an unreasonable amount of RAM, and the only thing that would make your pc unbearably slow using it (if you have competent hardware) is the same shit you would put on xp, user programs and services >_>

[Zeph]

Cool reskinned vista :awesome:

Really though I could give a flying shit about the effects, sure they're nice, and I really don't mind them but I'd be happier if they just left those up to 3 people to work on and then spent more time and money working on innovative new features and security instead of prettying it up.

lol, you have no clue. 99% of the work done on an OS is under the hood. The 1% that's not under the hood is your eye candy. And yes, the workforce is scaled appropriately to reflect that.

Aside from the fact that they're all engineers, you're just slugging out the "wahhh, send the artists to fix the game's code!" argument.

[Masterz1337]

You should try buying hardware from manufacturers that actively develop and deploy drivers.


You know, you can move up directories by clicking on the respective folder in the address bar, right?
EVGA Nvidia 8800GTX for 600$. I better damn get the support it needs.

[korori]

Ya its stable for the most part. Right now it does not want to install most of my apps.

Open office
Adobe reader
ccleaner
Paint dot net
pidgin
foxit_reader
Gimp

Games
Steam
-portal
-hl2 Episode 1&2

I think there still working on the windows installer.

[flibitijibibo]

Holy shit, so many infractions while I was gone.

But uh, I failed to realize this was such an early build. That's mah bad. I thought they had been working on this for over 9K months or something.

Hopefully the functions/features they add between now and its release won't make the RAM usage massive again. My, wouldn't that be humorous.

[Kalub]

Holy shit, so many infractions while I was gone.

But uh, I failed to realize this was such an early build. That's mah bad. I thought they had been working on this for over 9K months or something.

Hopefully the functions/features they add between now and its release won't make the RAM usage massive again. My, wouldn't that be humorous.

WHAT NINE THOUSAND?!

[korori]

LOL i notice that he typed that too. Lol.

[Hotrod]

So, when you installed this, did it remove Windows Vista, or did it just add onto it for the 30 days, then will go back to Vista afterward?

[korori]

I used a virtual pc. Clean install w/ no serial since i was only given a disk but i only wanted to see what the new os was.

[Hotrod]

Oh, ok.

I've seen a screenshot of a newer build of Windows 7, and the taskbar doesn't look that bad.

http://www.shivaranjan.com/shivaupload/windowslivewriter/MicrosoftWindows7M3Build6933Screenshots_14A6E/desktop.png

[korori]

Oh I see Build6933. I actually hope they triple check this time and release it soon.

[Donut]

god, and all of us with vista are going to have to pay to get this os arnt we. if microsoft is going to ditch vista, i think us vista users should get something for being fucked over, such as, windows 7 :U

[korori]

lol. I bought 2 copies for 60$. Thank you education discount.

[Phopojijo]

Actually, Windows 7 is built from the ground up.Not really...

A lot of the architectural changes were made for Vista... they just finalized them for Windows 7.

[Warsaw]

Windows 7 has the same kernel as Vista.

Also, is it just me, or is Windows beginning to look more like Linux?

Also, I hate fat Start Bars. Nasty. Transparent or no, still ugly.

[BobtheGreatII]

Windows 7 has the same kernel as Vista.

Also, is it just me, or is Windows beginning to look more like Linux?

Also, I hate fat Start Bars. Nasty. Transparent or no, still ugly.

I figure we'll be able to change it to our liking.

[Phopojijo]

Windows 7 has the same kernel as Vista.
For the most part, yea.

Vista's goal was to change the engine while the plane was in flight, to quote some journalists.

Since the majority of complaints were about the lack of innovation... the fact that people didn't notice the good majority of the changes is actually a tribute to the engineering team who pulled it off so transparently.

[Zeph]

god, and all of us with vista are going to have to pay to get this os arnt we. if microsoft is going to ditch vista, i think us vista users should get something for being fucked over, such as, windows 7 :U

No, Microsoft is going to hire a team of engineers to work on a completely new operating system so they can give it to you pro bono.

Of course they're going to fucking charge for it. If you think having to pay for an operating system every three years is bad, perhaps you should go back to the pre-NT era and realize how bad it was having to pick up a new OS every two years just to keep up to date with the latest.

Me, I've used Vista from before it was given the name. I bought a copy of the OS the moment it was out. Why? So I'll get the best value out of the thing. The sooner you adopt a new platform, the less it'll cost you to use per day in the long run. I laugh at the people who hold off on buying tech and later complain when something new comes out.

[Bodzilla]

Not really...

A lot of the architectural changes were made for Vista... they just finalized them for Windows 7.
my thoughts, even though i dont know alot about how this stuff is done i knew they made some pretty massive changes to the way the OS worked with hardware, and that was what was causeing all the problems and what not.
but yeah :/

i'm interested in windows 7, still dont like vista.

[Kornman00]

Vista is good

My name is Kornamn00, and I approve this message


I run Vista in "classic" mode ;3

[StankBacon]

Oh, ok.

I've seen a screenshot of a newer build of Windows 7, and the taskbar doesn't look that bad.

http://www.shivaranjan.com/shivaupload/windowslivewriter/MicrosoftWindows7M3Build6933Screenshots_14A6E/desktop.png


there is a trick to enable that in the 6801 build as well.

[Dwood]

http://www.shivaranjan.com/shivaupload/windowslivewriter/MicrosoftWindows7M3Build6933Screenshots_14A6E/desktop.png


http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/fedora9installationguide-large_027.png


It's not that obvious is it?

[StankBacon]

eh?

they look nothing alike...

[Dwood]

eh?

they look nothing alike...

I was waiting for someone to say that.


http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=992&image=fedora_kde9a_01_lrg
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=992&num=1

[FluffyDucky™]

So like, what's the difference? Nothing? Better program capability?

>.>

[klange]

eh?

they look nothing alike...
Wallpapers...
Also, most of the visual changes to Windows 7 resemble KDE 4 (but that's what the second picture is saying.)

[korori]

To me the load time is better. Not a ram hogger. New features to old programs.

I cant seem to enable that new beta feature. I can enable the Superbar but not the color's for it and the start menu is still like vista not like the new beta.

[Sel]

Oh so they fixed the non existant ram overuse problem :awesome:

[flibitijibibo]

Is the double wide taskbar default? (Please say noes)

[Zeph]

I was waiting for someone to say that.


http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=992&image=fedora_kde9a_01_lrg
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=992&num=1


omg, a bar docked to one side of the screen with a root navigation button, room for open programs, and a clock! Windows is soo fucking ripping off all those other OSs.

[flibitijibibo]

When did OS comparisons become the new console wars? Who gives a shit? Who honestly cares that a function of an OS possibly came from somewhere else? Is it at least not helping said OS get less shitty? I mean, think about it. Would you rather have a system bring in new ideas to make it better/easier to use, or would you rather have it sitting in a corner holding its ears going "LALALA I'M FINE JUST THE WAY I AM"? With that kind of attitude, we'd still be running Windows 3.1 or whatever (probably with a metric fuckton of security patches). Not every idea gets to be new. Big fucking deal.

[Phopojijo]

Why fix it when you can call it something else and profit even more?Yea... I know...

Why release 2 operating systems, where the first one received 2 service packs and the second received one...

When you could release 5 operating systems in the same time frame... call them Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, and Leopard... and have just as much advancement between the first and last versions... but charge for them all!

((And yes I know XP actually received 3 service packs... I'm speaking pre-Vista... even though that would look even better for Microsoft otherwise...))

[Zeph]

Yea... I know...

Why release 2 operating systems, where the first one received 2 service packs and the second received one...

When you could release 5 operating systems in the same time frame... call them Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, and Leopard... and have just as much advancement between the first and last versions... but charge for them all!

I see what you did there.

[Phopojijo]

I see what you did there.Well I did kinda spell it out ;)

[klange]

Or you can do what we do, and release fifty bajillion different new operating systems, and not charge for them... It seems to be working.

[Phopojijo]

Or you can do what we do, and release fifty bajillion different new operating systems, and not charge for them... It seems to be working.And my web server agrees :p

[Limited]

Beta versions already? Damn they really are speeding through 7, maybe to run away from Vista.


To answer the previously asked question: "Why do people compare OS's", the reason is simple, we are consumers, we pick what we want to buy. I'm not going to buy something that I'm not happy shelling out hundreds of pounds without even comparing it to the other contenders in the market. When 7 ships I bet Vista will still be on the shelfs.

I'd rather not be spied on by the government when I have done nothing wrong. I'm my eyes thats a breach on my privacy, how can I stop it? By not buying the software, thats obviously one of many reasons why I didnt purchase Vista. That and the fact MS didnt give 2 hoots about the customer expectations, which is the #1 thing you address throughout engineering a software system.

[Phopojijo]

Beta versions already? Damn they really are speeding through 7, maybe to run away from Vista.Or because it'll be released ~2-3 years after Vista... which is on track with the release schedules for Windows 9X and Mac version 10.whatever.

People were complaining that Microsoft didn't release versions of Windows quick enough... you get what you want I guess...

Though frankly I'd prefer less releases and more service packs... but hey people want to spend money as fast as the Apple consumers so whatever.

[Rook]

All this talk of Windows 7 is keeping me from getting vista on this computer (among my processor compatibility problems) sooo we'll just see how this whole new OS goes over.

[Phopojijo]

All this talk of Windows 7 is keeping me from getting vista on this computer (among my processor compatibility problems) sooo we'll just see how this whole new OS goes over.Which is fine, Windows 7 should be a lot more lightweight... since they're focusing on Netbooks now.

[Kalub]

Ugh, Vista V2 looks awesome. :downs:




Will stick with Xp plzkthx

[Phopojijo]

Ugh, Vista V2 looks awesome. :downs:




Will stick with Xp plzkthxYea I doubt that. Not if you upgrade.

[Snowy]

Yea I doubt that. Not if you upgrade.
Seriously?! He won't stick with XP if he upgrades? You don't say!

[Heathen]

lul

[Dwood]

Seriously?! He won't stick with XP if he upgrades? You don't say!


You tread with the pythons my friend. Be careful.

[Heathen]

wut?

[Sel]

Seriously?! He won't stick with XP if he upgrades? You don't say!

Vista > XP

:dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::drama bomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb:: dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb:

[`CaSs!~]

Vista > XP

:dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::drama bomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb:: dramabomb::dramabomb::dramabomb:


lol no

[Needles]

lol no
Other than making some games lose a bit of fps because of DX10, it's fine.

Looks like I'll be waiting another 1-2 years after this comes out jealously waiting to get it just like I did for vista.

[Kalub]

Will still stick with XP.

[`CaSs!~]

Other than making some games lose a bit of fps because of DX10, it's fine.

Looks like I'll be waiting another 1-2 years after this comes out jealously waiting to get it just like I did for vista.

Vista uses a TON more resources, and no, it's not because of DX10. Don't try to lie to yourself because you got ripped off by actually paying for an inferior OS.

[Zeph]

Vista uses a TON more resources, and no, it's not because of DX10. Don't try to lie to yourself because you got ripped off by actually paying for an inferior OS.

Yes, it uses more resources. However, they're used for preloading applications. If file space is needed for something, it will be taken from whatever's been preloaded.

[StankBacon]

vista > xp

by far.

[Heathen]

I have XP and I love it. I would however get Vista if I didn't have to lose my XP.

[Hotrod]

I find Vista better than XP in almost every way. I don't regret getting it, and I don't think I ever will.

[BobtheGreatII]

This thread almost needs a poll.

[legionaire45]

Vista haters should buy better hardware.

Seriously, the only people who have problems with Vista are the ones with ancient hardware setups and those who were conned into purchasing a computer with Intel Integrated Graphics or less than a gig of ram when you can buy 4 gigs of DDR2 for $50.

Windows 7 seems to be a solid improvement over Vista. If they can iron out the initial compatibility issues and keep the hardware requirements down then it will definitely be a successful OS.

Right now Vista's biggest competition is XP itself. If Windows 7 can perform roughly on-par with XP than MS will have a winner.

Oh, and btw, don't confuse the shitty game performance under DX10 with Vista sucking. DX10 is slow in a lot of games primarily because developers don't want to put as much effort into optimizing it. Game developers know that Vista has a comparatively small user base and amongst those with Vista not everyone has a graphics card capable of using DirectX 10. If you were a developer, would you put more effort into optomizing that mode, or would you put more effort into optomizing the mode that most of you audience will actually be playing? I thought so.

[`CaSs!~]

Vista haters should buy better hardware.

Seriously, the only people who have problems with Vista are the ones with ancient hardware setups and those who were conned into purchasing a computer with Intel Integrated Graphics or less than a gig of ram when you can buy 4 gigs of DDR2 for $50.

Windows 7 seems to be a solid improvement over Vista. If they can iron out the initial compatibility issues and keep the hardware requirements down then it will definitely be a successful OS.

Right now Vista's biggest competition is XP itself. If Windows 7 can perform roughly on-par with XP than MS will have a winner.

Oh, and btw, don't confuse the shitty game performance under DX10 with Vista sucking. DX10 is slow in a lot of games primarily because developers don't want to put as much effort into optimizing it. Game developers know that Vista has a comparatively small user base and amongst those with Vista not everyone has a graphics card capable of using DirectX 10. If you were a developer, would you put more effort into optomizing that mode, or would you put more effort into optomizing the mode that most of you audience will actually be playing? I thought so.

Way to neg rep because I have a superior OS. In fact my hardware is way above par for Vista, but why sacrifice any of those resources when XP does the same job better? I guess my Quad Core can't handle Vista? Or maybe it's my 8800GT? How about by 2GB RAM? Hmmm...

[Masterz1337]

Cass pretty summed up what I was going to say.

You PMed me telling me my card was an NVidia issue. Well it's still a reason for me to not use vista, and MS should be making sure that the primary hardware manufactures for their devices, are doing their job.

If MS is allowing shitty cooling to have been used in 360s, and they deserve the flak for that, they deserve it for the video cards as well. It's hardware that is designed and used for their products.

[InnerGoat]

Vista vs XP thread, lol. I'm going to be forced into Vista 64bit soon, so tough luck for me. At least it's not XP64...

XP 32bit is only seeing 2.6GB of my 4GB RAM, plus the fact that it'll only see 2.1GB after the upcoming video card upgrade...http://innergoat.modacity.net/stuff/SAemots/emot-byodood.gif

[Bodzilla]

Vista haters should buy better hardware.

Seriously, the only people who have problems with Vista are the ones with ancient hardware setups and those who were conned into purchasing a computer with Intel Integrated Graphics or less than a gig of ram when you can buy 4 gigs of DDR2 for $50.

Projecting a bit there arnt we? my setup kicks ass yet i still choose XP over vista.

Windows 7 seems to be a solid improvement over Vista. If they can iron out the initial compatibility issues and keep the hardware requirements down then it will definitely be a successful OS.

Right now Vista's biggest competition is XP itself. If Windows 7 can perform roughly on-par with XP than MS will have a winner.
True. Vista was basically the test flight and pilot of alot of innovating changes they made to the OS, after a few years alot of these will be changed and tweeked to perform better, so i do look forward to Windows 7.

[Kalub]

If they didn't fuck everything up and make it more: "Simple and Innovative" then it wouldn't bother me. I really like it, I do. But from 95-06 I taught myself the OS's at hand, and then they straight-up fucked it.

[beele]

I've got 4 gig ram now for a while, and I switched to vista x64, runs like a dream. For those vista haters out there, try running xp x64 and then come crying back about your superior OS.

Also like zeph said, no reason to complain about so much resources being used, you would rather have 4 gigs and let windows only use like 512 megs when doing some everyday tasks. Windows vista gives more than enough resources to demanding applications when they need it.

Btw, can't wait to get my hands on the first public beta of windows 7.

[Reaper Man]

I'm looking forward to Windows 7, I'm going to be using the 64-bit edition and getting me at least 4 gigs of ram and a new processor, as I put my computer under alot of strain almost daily with my photo editing and batch processing. Now that I finally upgraded (legitimately you faggots) to CS4, I want to take advantage of its 64-bit support and 64-bit processing in general.

From what I've seen of Windows 7 it seems great - they're ironing out the issues caused by Vista while fixing all sorts of little annoyances that have been in windows for years. I was irritated to hear that it still wont natively support multi-monitor taskbars, but there's always Ultramon.

[`CaSs!~]

"lol @ Your post. But seriously, I have a similiar setup and I have no issues. Must be error on your part."

........

I never said that I have had any issues with Vista (directly), I haven't even installed it any computers, ever. I have no errors on my part, I simply choose the better OS, XP.

Any more haters?

[Rook]

I never said thar I had a fucking any issues with Vista (directly), I haven't even installed it any computers, ever. I have no errors on my part, I simply choose the better OS, XP.

Any more haters?
How can you have an opinion about something you've never even tried yourself, I could insert a clever example here but I feel there is no need.:iiam:

[`CaSs!~]

How can you have an opinion about something you've never even tried yourself, I could insert a clever example here but I feel there is no need.:iiam:


I've used it, just never wasted my time enough to install it on any of my computers that I would actually be using. Have you ever used a Mac? (Assume yes.) Do you have one? (Assume no.) Does that make your opinions on Macs invalid? (No.)

[Rook]

I've used it, just never wasted my time enough to install it on any of my computers that I would actually be using. Have you ever used a Mac? (Assume yes.) Do you have one? (Assume no.) Does that make your opinions on Macs invalid? (No.)
I see what you're getting at but you never tested it on your hardware. Vista was installed on my other computer till the PSU fan died and I liked using Vista it was really nice. I wouldn't dare install it on this emachines but vista is great if you have anything reasonable to run it on.

[`CaSs!~]

I see what you're getting at but you never tested it on your hardware. Vista was installed on my other computer till the PSU fan died and I liked using Vista it was really nice. I wouldn't dare install it on this emachines but vista is great if you have anything reasonable to run it on.

Why sacrifice any of the power of the hardware that you paid for in order to run this OS? I still don't get it.

"I'll just pay more for my computer so that I can run Vista with the same reliability/stability that XP would offer."

[Zeph]

Why sacrifice any of the power of the hardware that you paid for in order to run this OS? I still don't get it.

"I'll just pay more for my computer so that I can run Vista with the same reliability/stability that XP would offer."

I'm sorry, but you seem the have too thick of a skull for this to get inside of your head. Vista offers more performance than XP. It uses more resources, yes, but what it does with those resources is what matters.

It is pure ignorance to base the preformance of an operating system in its resource usage. Even more so when you dont even know what those resources are going to.

My old shuttle has a 2.8GHz northwood and 512 MB of RAM. Now that I've gotten my AIW driver's problems taken care of, it runs anything I throw at it better on Vista than XP.

[Zeph]

Also, Cass, dont post in this thread again.

[Hotrod]

I'm just a little unhappy how Windows 7 is coming out less than 2 years after I finally get my hands on Vista. I'm sure it'll be great and all, but I don't think that I'll be getting it any time soon after it comes out, no matter how much I'd like to.

[Needles]

Vista uses a TON more resources, and no, it's not because of DX10. Don't try to lie to yourself because you got ripped off by actually paying for an inferior OS.
My dell inspiron 530 gave me vista home premium for $25.

Also, their now charging $100+ extra on inspiron 530's if you choose to use Xp!!!!!

[Masterz1337]

Also, Cass, dont post in this thread again.
Who are you to tell him what he can or can't say? He's stating his opinion in a far more friendly and polite manner than half this forum normally does.

Your moderating has been a disapointment lately.

[Heathen]

What masters said. I was kinda like "ew zeph"

[flibitijibibo]

Okay, fuck this, I'm joining the OS wars. *Dives in*

I now run two computers that have run both XP and Vista. In both situations, Vista has been more stable than XP. In fact, on one of the machines, certain programs run faster on Vista than they did on XP. This is most likely due to the fact that Vista accepted way more RAM.

I'm going to say this about the RAM shit that's been flying around: 2GB RAM is my idea of minimum. I always recommend 3GB or more to people who upgrade, because that's the point where Vista will drastically improve in terms of performance. So if you had problems with 2GB of RAM, it wasn't enough.

To those whining about game performance: Quit your bitching and get a DirectX 10 card already. Nobody cares about your problems while running Gears on a GeForce 6. Seriously, how much does an 8800GT cost now? <= $150? I haven't had a consistently paying job in 6 months and I can afford that.

Spend a few bucks to get your system up to speed, or quit bitching. Just because a new OS can't work on an old computer doesn't mean it's bad. It just means that the OS is scaled for newer systems. And why wouldn't they, it's called taking a step forward. There's a reason they don't make games for the N64 anymore, idiots.

In closing, I give all who read this two options:
1. Do what I suggested in the above paragraph. If you bring your system up to good specs, I promise, Vista will be worth using. I know this from experience, trust me.
2. Stick with XP, as it's more geared toward your system specs. XP is fine on mid to low-end systems. Just don't be an elitist faggot about it.

If those two don't work, you can always blow me.

On the topic of Windows 7, what is the size of the OS on the HD? For some reason, I never thought of the actual size of the thing, just the performance.

EDIT- Kalub reminded me of a very important point on the XP side: the Vista functions that try to "make life easier". Admittedly, stuff like UAC can be a massive pain in the ass, but that doesn't take more than a blink of an eye to disable. I suppose if you don't want to take the time to tweak all of that, that's fine. This is something I can let go. Hardware complaints is what makes me want to blow up a kitten factory.

[Kalub]

I'm an elitist faggot, and I approve this message.

Vista, seriously now, wouldn't be so bad if it didn't try to make my life easier.

Still sticking with Xp.

[`CaSs!~]

The truth hurts.

[Heathen]

Oh hush.

[Kalub]

The truth hurts.


http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9904/1218582541034zi2.png



Now can we ban this faggot?

[Higuy]

No, you cant. He was obvisioly pointing out his own opinion and you guys should of respected that. XP is still a fairly good operating system. I've had more problems with my computers running Vista then XP. And yes, I've used both Operating systems.

[legionaire45]

The truth hurts.
Check your PM's Cass.

I will apologize for my exaggerated claim about Vista and people's problems with it. I meant to add "Generally" somewhere in there but my urge to troll post got the better of me and I messed up what I was going to say. In my experience, most of the people who have had major issues with Vista have either not liked the tweaked UI and the placement of different menus, etc. or have been trying to run Vista on old hardware, usually using Intel Integrated graphics with less than 2 GBs of ram. People have obviously had other unrelated issues, such as those with software, and I will admit that my statement was flawed.

EDIT: Nice response there Cass. You certainly showed me who was boss, with your three letter response. How shall I ever deal with your obviously superior technological knowledge? I mean, you certainly destroyed my arguments with your deadly "lol" of doom.

[Amit]

It's good to see that it's finally left this thread and entered the realm of PMs.

Uh so what were we talking about again?

[Kalub]

Vista V2, and how it was full on friendship.

[`CaSs!~]

I apologize that my remarks have [in a way in which I cannot fathom] apparently hurt some feelings.

There, my sincere amends.

[Heathen]

Its not what you say but how you say it.

That little twatty [] just now is what we mean.

Cut the shit or gtfo. I usually stay out of these little pissing contests but shit man, let it go. Its not working and it wont. I am not taking sides...I just want it to stop.

Fyi, not backseat moderation. I hate children and thats what you seem like.

[Kalub]

Don't waste your breath, he won't last much longer.

[Kalub]

No, I'm partially retarded.

[Phopojijo]

I apologize that my remarks have [in a way in which I cannot fathom] apparently hurt some feelings.

There, my sincere amends.There's debating the issue, then there's being a jerk.

You really need to re-evaluate which side of that coin you're on.

[legionaire45]

Is there an official download for the beta/demo of Windows 7 yet or is it only officially available to people who went to some conference or something?

[Kalub]

The hell!? Heathen is deleting his POASTS?!

[`CaSs!~]

What do you want me to say? I don't get how my opinion on an operating system can really hurt someone's feelings. If it did, I didn't mean to, and I really did not want/expect this to go on this long.

I'm done, sorry.

[Reaper Man]

And cass, maybe I want the last word...ok?
Grow the fuck up, seriously.

I myself am not a big fan of Vista, due mainly to driver issues with the hardware in my laptop, however most of them have been ironed out. I was also irritated at how certain controls were changed around - however change happens, deal with it, once you get used to it it's fine. After using office 2007 for the first time, I was somewhat annoyed, now after learning the new interface I can't stand to use the older versions. I can't say exactly the same about Vista (it comes close), but I sure love a lot of the new functions, especially the search bar in the start menu which I use constantly (also with the start++ add on for it).

Windows 7 has ironed out a lot of annoying issues with Vista and therefore I look forward to it.

[Heathen]

Grow the fuck up, seriously.

I myself am not a big fan of Vista, due mainly to driver issues with the hardware in my laptop, however most of them have been ironed out. I was also irritated at how certain controls were changed around - however change happens, deal with it, once you get used to it it's fine. After using office 2007 for the first time, I was somewhat annoyed, now after learning the new interface I can't stand to use the older versions. I can't say exactly the same about Vista (it comes close), but I sure love a lot of the new functions, especially the search bar in the start menu which I use constantly (also with the start++ add on for it).

Windows 7 has ironed out a lot of annoying issues with Vista and therefore I look forward to it.
You obviously didn't see my point. You played right into it.

I was getting on him for being immature for persistently coming back in to get his last little fucking quip in. You did exactly as I hoped someone would. I can at least quit when i dont care anymore.


Atm I d

[BobtheGreatII]

This thread kind of went downhill fast...

[Phopojijo]

What do you want me to say? I don't get how my opinion on an operating system can really hurt someone's feelings. If it did, I didn't mean to, and I really did not want/expect this to go on this long.

I'm done, sorry.Nah, you can discuss an operating system all you wish. You just seemed really snide doing it.

If it was misrepresented, than my mistake... but you should make sure what you say is clearly portrayed.

[Bodzilla]

There's debating the issue, then there's being a jerk.

You really need to re-evaluate which side of that coin you're on.
Because his opinions and point of view was treated with the same ideals and respect originally rite?

Rite??

He as every right to be a dick to some of you, because ya's fucking deserve it.