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Rob Oplawar
November 7th, 2008, 03:11 AM
I'm facing a moral dilemma, and I wonder what the internet thinks of it. I won't go into specifics, as it's pretty personal.


What if you had a family member who you felt really close to but who stubbornly held onto some really stupid ideas, even though in general they were an intelligent person? What if you found some of those ideas morally objectionable? What if you started to realize that this person led a really morally questionable life? What if you found out that this person had hurt many of their close family members in pursuit of personal gain? What if you found out that, far from having regret about doing these things, this person felt absolutely no sympathy for anyone who failed to accomplish as much in life as they did, regardless of initial wealth or upbringing?


In other words, what if there were somebody in your life who you had loved since you were a baby but now that you're an adult you're starting to realize that if you didn't already know and love them and were to meet this person on the street today you would despise them?


I'm really torn here. I have a family member like this, who has always been very close to me, and to whom I owe a lot, but who I'm starting to realize is kind of a bad person.

rossmum
November 7th, 2008, 03:17 AM
I honestly have no idea. I suppose I could say I've had the same myself, but it just fucks me over whenever I try decide so I go think about something else.

If you can't talk it out of them then I guess you either have to just live with it, or move away from them... a shitty choice either way.

n00b1n8R
November 7th, 2008, 03:54 AM
Out of curiosity, is this that uncle who was all "hurf durf republicans ftw deomcrats are all comunits durr"?

Also, I'd do to them what they've done to other people. No sympathy.

Dwood
November 7th, 2008, 04:22 AM
Out of curiosity, is this that uncle who was all "hurf durf republicans ftw democrats are all communists durr"?



FTFY.


Oh, and the uncle is only 50% right. Socialists would be a better description of a Democrat.

Bodzilla
November 7th, 2008, 04:45 AM
she's a republican aint she!

Dump that hoe.
But man been there done that shit, had some crazy ass cousins in my time......
never fun but you just stick with them because what else do they have?

ExAm
November 7th, 2008, 04:56 AM
Out of curiosity, is this that uncle who was all "hurf durf republicans ftw deomcrats are all comunits durr"?

Also, I'd do to them what they've done to other people. No sympathy.My uncle is a staunch republican and has been kind of pissed at me for some reason after seeing McCain lose. He has that same attitude :v:

n00b1n8R
November 7th, 2008, 05:40 AM
I might have been thinking about him then..

ExAm
November 7th, 2008, 06:13 AM
I don't think i ever mentioned him to you though. Did I?

Hotrod
November 7th, 2008, 06:28 AM
I'd be there for them when they most need it, but besides that, I'd try to stay away from them.

n00b1n8R
November 7th, 2008, 06:49 AM
I don't think i ever mentioned him to you though. Did I?
Someone mentioned having a backwards and forwards debate/argument with a republican relitive who was passing off right wing propaganda sights as "legit" while bashing any referenced and well written sight he was presented which disagreed with his views. It was either you or Rob, can't remember who..

ExAm
November 7th, 2008, 07:00 AM
Someone mentioned having a backwards and forwards debate/argument with a republican relitive who was passing off right wing propaganda sights as "legit" while bashing any referenced and well written sight he was presented which disagreed with his views. It was either you or Rob, can't remember who..It was me then.

Heathen
November 7th, 2008, 07:04 AM
have a family get together and bring it up.

StankBacon
November 7th, 2008, 07:05 AM
or stop worrying about it

Mass
November 7th, 2008, 10:13 AM
I dunno, you could either do nothing and stop thinking about it, or you could ask him if he really wants to keep living that way, and suggest something good he could do with his filthy money and time.

Dwood
November 7th, 2008, 01:53 PM
I dunno, you could either do nothing and stop thinking about it, or you could ask him if he really wants to keep living that way, and suggest something good he could do with his filthy money and time.


Yeah. He can keep the soon-to-come welfare from you. That's the best use he'll ever put his money to. LD

SnaFuBAR
November 7th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Dwood stop being such an ass. Bawww McCain lost let me slander dems more bawww.

Huero
November 7th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Yeah. He can keep the soon-to-come welfare from you. That's the best use he'll ever put his money to. LD
e: nvm sorry phopo :C
ps happy birthday <:

:words:

I would distance myself from him; he'd notice, and ask, and then you could explain the situation without looking like an asshole.
If he's close to you, he should take your opinion to heart.

Phopojijo
November 7th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Guys... please... he never even said what family member and why.

All you're doing at this point is speculating.

((Huerosam... please keep it civil))

n00b1n8R
November 7th, 2008, 03:58 PM
That's because it really depends on the situation. :/

Needles
November 7th, 2008, 04:23 PM
I'm facing a moral dilemma, and I wonder what the internet thinks of it. I won't go into specifics, as it's pretty personal.


What if you had a family member who you felt really close to but who stubbornly held onto some really stupid ideas, even though in general they were an intelligent person? What if you found some of those ideas morally objectionable? What if you started to realize that this person led a really morally questionable life? What if you found out that this person had hurt many of their close family members in pursuit of personal gain? What if you found out that, far from having regret about doing these things, this person felt absolutely no sympathy for anyone who failed to accomplish as much in life as they did, regardless of initial wealth or upbringing?


In other words, what if there were somebody in your life who you had loved since you were a baby but now that you're an adult you're starting to realize that if you didn't already know and love them and were to meet this person on the street today you would despise them?


I'm really torn here. I have a family member like this, who has always been very close to me, and to whom I owe a lot, but who I'm starting to realize is kind of a bad person.
If they hurt other members and were morally questonable?

I would not like them, but I don't really like my family that much, they're not normal nice people, so I don't know much about a "normal", "loving" family.

Gwunty
November 7th, 2008, 05:32 PM
FTFY.


Oh, and the uncle is only 50% right. Socialists would be a better description of a Democrat.
Halomaps is that way :gtfo:

n00b1n8R
November 7th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Halomaps is that way :gtfo:
Yes, it is.

ICEE
November 7th, 2008, 06:05 PM
In all honesty rob, it depends on how old this person is. If theyre still adolescent, then its possible that their just immature. If they're an adult, then im not sure.

il Duce Primo
November 7th, 2008, 06:57 PM
Rob.. now.. come over here and sit on my lap. You should do what you think is right. Deep down inside you I know there is good and you will know what to do when the time is right.:p

TeeKup
November 7th, 2008, 09:48 PM
In all honesty rob, it depends on how old this person is. If theyre still adolescent, then its possible that their just immature. If they're an adult, then im not sure.

Adults can be immature as well. :downs:

Rob Oplawar
November 8th, 2008, 02:53 AM
Thank you all for your thoughtful responses. I'm glad to see that we can have a (mostly) mature conversation at least some of the time.

Like I said, it's personal, so I still won't get specific, but I will say that this person is considerably older than me and isn't going to change too easily.

I think I may have been a bit melodramatic. "Bad person" is definitely too far; I think "person who did some questionable things in the past" is a better description.

I considered what you said, and perhaps more importantly, I talked to my mom about it. Mom knows best. :) I've come to the conclusion that family comes first and that I owe this person the benefit of the doubt. After all, the rest of the family has been putting up with this person's stubborn, silly ideas since before I was born. I don't have to feel like I have to change my family members; that's what family's for, anyway. So, I'm gonna stick it out, and do my best to roll my eyes and smile instead of getting angry.


I'll leave the thread open a little while longer in case you guys have anything you'd like to add.

Bodzilla
November 8th, 2008, 05:34 AM
Theres many things you can choose and manipulate in your life rob.

Family is not one of them, you got to play the hand that your dwelt and sometimes even the grey areas get murky.

ICEE
November 8th, 2008, 01:16 PM
Adults can be immature as well. :downs:
yeah but the point was if their a child, its not as big of a problem because they will probably grow out of it.

armoman92
November 8th, 2008, 01:28 PM
honestly you cant do anything. Fu*k them and keep on going.

maybe joe the plumber can give some better advice.