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ExAm
November 9th, 2008, 12:42 AM
So, a doctor has accidentally cured AIDS (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122602394113507555.html) by performing a bone marrow transplant from a naturally immune donor to an infected man.

The treatment was for cancer.



The startling case of an AIDS patient who underwent a bone marrow transplant to treat leukemia is stirring new hope that gene-therapy strategies on the far edges of AIDS research might someday cure the disease.
The patient, a 42-year-old American living in Berlin, is still recovering from his leukemia therapy, but he appears to have won his battle with AIDS. Doctors have not been able to detect the virus in his blood for more than 600 days, despite his having ceased all conventional AIDS medication. Normally when a patient stops taking AIDS drugs, the virus stampedes through the body within weeks, or days.


http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-AT824_CUREph_D_20081106184135.jpg
Sixten KoerperDr. Gero Hütter isn't an AIDS specialist, but he 'functionally cured' a patient, who shows no sign of the disease.






"I was very surprised," said the doctor, Gero Hütter.
The breakthrough appears to be that Dr. Hütter, a soft-spoken hematologist who isn't an AIDS specialist, deliberately replaced the patient's bone marrow cells with those from a donor who has a naturally occurring genetic mutation that renders his cells immune to almost all strains of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
The development suggests a potential new therapeutic avenue and comes as the search for a cure has adopted new urgency. Many fear that current AIDS drugs aren't sustainable. Known as antiretrovirals, the medications prevent the virus from replicating but must be taken every day for life and are expensive for poor countries where the disease runs rampant. Last year, AIDS killed two million people; 2.7 million more contracted the virus, so treatment costs will keep ballooning.
While cautioning that the Berlin case could be a fluke, David Baltimore, who won a Nobel prize for his research on tumor viruses, deemed it "a very good sign" and a virtual "proof of principle" for gene-therapy approaches. Dr. Baltimore and his colleague, University of California at Los Angeles researcher Irvin Chen, have developed a gene therapy strategy against HIV that works in a similar way to the Berlin case. Drs. Baltimore and Chen have formed a private company to develop the therapy.
Back in 1996, when "cocktails" of antiretroviral drugs were proved effective, some researchers proposed that all cells harboring HIV might eventually die off, leading to eradication of HIV from the body -- in short, a cure. Those hopes foundered on the discovery that HIV, which integrates itself into a patient's own DNA, hides in so-called "sanctuary cells," where it lies dormant yet remains capable of reigniting an infection.
But that same year, researchers discovered that some gay men astonishingly remained uninfected despite engaging in very risky sex with as many as hundreds of partners. These men had inherited a mutation from both their parents that made them virtually immune to HIV.
The mutation prevents a molecule called CCR5 from appearing on the surface of cells. CCR5 acts as a kind of door for the virus. Since most HIV strains must bind to CCR5 to enter cells, the mutation bars the virus from entering. A new AIDS drug, Selzentry, made by Pfizer Inc., doesn't attack HIV itself but works by blocking CCR5.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-AT825_CURE_NS_20081106180821.gif


About 1% of Europeans, and even more in northern Europe, inherit the CCR5 mutation from both parents. People of African, Asian and South American descent almost never carry it.
Dr. Hütter, 39, remembered this research when his American leukemia patient failed first-line chemotherapy in 2006. He was treating the patient at Berlin's Charité Medical University, the same institution where German physician Robert Koch performed some of his groundbreaking research on infectious diseases in the 19th century. Dr. Hütter scoured research on CCR5 and consulted with his superiors.
Finally, he recommended standard second-line treatment: a bone marrow transplant -- but from a donor who had inherited the CCR5 mutation from both parents. Bone marrow is where immune-system cells are generated, so transplanting mutant bone-marrow cells would render the patient immune to HIV into perpetuity, at least in theory.
There were a total of 80 compatible blood donors living in Germany. Luckily, on the 61st sample he tested, Dr. Hütter's colleague Daniel Nowak found one with the mutation from both parents.
To prepare for the transplant, Dr. Hütter first administered a standard regimen of powerful drugs and radiation to kill the patient's own bone marrow cells and many immune-system cells. This procedure, lethal to many cells that harbor HIV, may have helped the treatment succeed.
The transplant specialists ordered the patient to stop taking his AIDS drugs when they transfused the donor cells, because they feared the powerful drugs might undermine the cells' ability to survive in their new host. They planned to resume the drugs once HIV re-emerged in the blood.
But it never did. Nearly two years later, standard tests haven't detected virus in his blood, or in the brain and rectal tissues where it often hides.
The case was presented to scientists earlier this year at the Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections. In September, the nonprofit Foundation for AIDS Research, or amFAR, convened a small scientific meeting on the case. Most researchers there believed some HIV still lurks in the patient but that it can't ignite a raging infection, most likely because its target cells are invulnerable mutants. The scientists agreed that the patient is "functionally cured."
Caveats are legion. If enough time passes, the extraordinarily protean HIV might evolve to overcome the mutant cells' invulnerability. Blocking CCR5 might have side effects: A study suggests that people with the mutation are more likely to die from West Nile virus. Most worrisome: The transplant treatment itself, given only to late-stage cancer patients, kills up to 30% of patients. While scientists are drawing up research protocols to try this approach on other leukemia and lymphoma patients, they know it will never be widely used to treat AIDS because of the mortality risk.
There is a potentially safer alternative: Re-engineering a patient's own cells through gene therapy. Due to some disastrous failures, gene therapy now "has a bad name," says Dr. Baltimore. In 1999, an 18-year-old patient died in a gene therapy trial. Even one of gene therapy's greatest successes -- curing children of the inherited "bubble boy" disease -- came at the high price of causing some patients to develop leukemia.
Gene therapy also faces daunting technical challenges. For example, the therapeutic genes are carried to cells by re-engineered viruses, and they must be made perfectly safe. Also, most gene therapy currently works by removing cells, genetically modifying them out of the body, then transfusing them back in -- a complicated procedure that would prove too expensive for the developing world. Dr. Baltimore and others are working on therapeutic viruses they could inject into a patient as easily as a flu vaccine. But, he says, "we're a long way from that."
Expecting that gene therapy will eventually play a major role in medicine, several research groups are testing different approaches for AIDS. At City of Hope cancer center in Duarte, Calif., John Rossi and colleagues actually use HIV itself, genetically engineered to be harmless, to deliver to patients' white blood cells three genes: one that inactivates CCR5 and two others that disable HIV. He has already completed the procedure on four patients and may perform it on another.
One big hurdle: doctors can't yet genetically modify all target cells. In theory, HIV would kill off the susceptible ones and, a victim of its own grim success, be left only with the genetically engineered cells that it can't infect. But so far that's just theory. All Dr. Rossi's patients remain on standard AIDS drugs, so it isn't yet known what would happen if they stopped taking them.
In 1989, Dr. Rossi had a case eerily similar to the one in Berlin. A 41-year-old patient with AIDS and lymphoma underwent radiation and drug therapy to ablate his bone marrow and received new cells from a donor. It is not known if those cells had the protective CCR5 mutation, because its relation to HIV hadn't been discovered yet. But after the transplant, HIV disappeared from the patient's blood. The patient died of his cancer 47 days after the procedure. Autopsy tests from eight organs and the tumor revealed no HIV.
Write to Mark Schoofs at mark.schoofs@wsj.com

Corrections and Amplifications:
The Foundation for AIDS Research, which uses the acronym amFAR, is the name of the nonprofit group cited in this article. The name of the group was incorrectly given as the American Foundation for AIDS Research.


:awesome:

Con
November 9th, 2008, 12:53 AM
wow, neat. That would have been :awesome: if he cured cancer at the same time too.

Rob Oplawar
November 9th, 2008, 12:55 AM
Neat.
Although as I understand it, bone marrow transplants are extremely painful.
This idea of gene therapy is getting close to the concept of deliberate human evolution. How long before this sort of treatment regularly occurs before birth?

also,

some gay men astonishingly remained uninfected despite engaging in very risky sex with as many as hundreds of partners.
*blinks*

wow... er...

e: heh, hooray for "neat"

n00b1n8R
November 9th, 2008, 01:00 AM
in before mass rapes /idiot

:aaaaa:

Also, pain > DIED OF AIDS LOL

Bad Waffle
November 9th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Heh, i had bone marrow sucked out of my hip and jammed into my half-way-fixed cleft palette. As a baby, my mouth looked like this:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-09/22/xin_1809031811352942451028.jpg

which is common from where i was born, cleft palettes etc are said to be caused by pollution affecting the pregnant mothers, and statistics from that area back that up. But i was particularly lucky, because one of the best surgeons available for clefts was around and fixed all the tissue up.

They did the bone-marrow-jammed-into-the hole thing when i was like 14 or so, and it was so painless that i could walk after the surgery even though they expected me to be in pain. I think it just varies on the doctor doing the marrow transplant.

SnaFuBAR
November 9th, 2008, 01:06 AM
Neat.
Although as I understand it, bone marrow transplants are extremely painful.
This idea of gene therapy is getting close to the concept of deliberate human evolution. How long before this sort of treatment regularly occurs before birth?

i'd much rather be in extreme pain from bone marrow transplant than fucking AIDS.

rossmum
November 9th, 2008, 02:54 AM
Nice to see some good news. And yeah, temporary discomfort beats the permanent variety with a side of looming death.

ultama121
November 9th, 2008, 03:00 AM
I better break the news to Llama... :(

ExAm
November 9th, 2008, 03:01 AM
^idgi

L0d3x
November 9th, 2008, 04:07 AM
Does lama have aids or something?

thehoodedsmack
November 9th, 2008, 07:14 AM
That's awesome. If I was immune, I'd be heading out to donate bone marrow right now. That is so fucking awesome.

Sel
November 9th, 2008, 07:31 AM
Shit guys this means that white people need to make another
disease to kill the coloured people!

Hotrod
November 9th, 2008, 07:57 AM
Damn, that's quite impressive, and a bone marrow transplant is one of the last thing I would have expected to cure AIDS.

flibitijibibo
November 9th, 2008, 08:01 AM
Sweet. Now they just need to find a way to find mass amounts of a rare gene. Think it can be artificially generated?

Jelly
November 9th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Sweet. Now they just need to find a way to find mass amounts of a rare gene. Think it can be artificially generated?
They did it with insulin, so I guess.

flibitijibibo
November 9th, 2008, 08:20 AM
Oh, didn't see that. I just saw the CCR5 thing and went, "damn, it's rare."

Roostervier
November 9th, 2008, 08:51 AM
Wow, that's pretty awesome.

Chainsy
November 9th, 2008, 09:16 AM
Wow, I am surprised they did not realize this earlier, bone marrow makes white blood cells.

Con
November 9th, 2008, 10:46 AM
It's all about the stem cells in the bone marrow, maybe they can be grown in cultures.

Siliconmaster
November 9th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Very cool. Glad there has been some breakthroughs, even if it is a preliminary case. Hope it turns out to be reproducible in other patients.

Pyong Kawaguchi
November 9th, 2008, 11:28 AM
Well, even though this is done, it will be difficult to cure all the people who have the virus, and also by the time everyone is immune, a new virus will come to kill people.

Zeph
November 9th, 2008, 11:55 AM
lol

Syuusuke
November 9th, 2008, 12:05 PM
Well, even though this is done, it will be difficult to cure all the people who have the virus, and also by the time everyone is immune, a new virus will come to kill people.

It'll be called CUREs

Mass
November 9th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Neat.
Although as I understand it, bone marrow transplants are extremely painful.

Hey, we've got drugs for pain...

Lot's of us take them without the pain anyway vOv

Heathen
November 9th, 2008, 01:31 PM
Heh, i had bone marrow sucked out of my hip and jammed into my half-way-fixed cleft palette. As a baby, my mouth looked like this:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-09/22/xin_1809031811352942451028.jpg

which is common from where i was born, cleft palettes etc are said to be caused by pollution affecting the pregnant mothers, and statistics from that area back that up. But i was particularly lucky, because one of the best surgeons available for clefts was around and fixed all the tissue up.

They did the bone-marrow-jammed-into-the hole thing when i was like 14 or so, and it was so painless that i could walk after the surgery even though they expected me to be in pain. I think it just varies on the doctor doing the marrow transplant.
No way?

I know someone who had a cleft pallett as a baby but its still quite obvious.

You dont look it at all.

Heathen
November 9th, 2008, 01:48 PM
Shit guys this means that white people need to make another

Bird flu affected chicken right?

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 02:24 PM
Bird flu affected chicken right?

dont taint mah fuckin chickens

Sel
November 9th, 2008, 02:34 PM
dont taint mah fuckin chickens

And you wonder why we fucking stereotype you.

LlamaMaster
November 9th, 2008, 02:39 PM
I better break the news to Llama... :(
Now I have to change my steam name. :(

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 02:56 PM
And you wonder why we fucking stereotype you.
It was a fucking joke jesus christ. I know I'll probably get an infraction for this but PLEASE get off my dick. Find a new team to hop on (and no i'm not mad selentic's just annoying).

Anyways to be on-topic, hopefully this "cure" should be distributed faster than the virus.

FluffyDucky™
November 9th, 2008, 02:59 PM
^ lul...

AND OMGZ, I'VE ALMOST BEEN CURED! :awesome:

ExAm
November 9th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Wow, I am surprised they did not realize this earlier, bone marrow makes white blood cells.The white blood cells aren't the problem, the problem is that the white blood cells can't make antibodies for AIDS, due to its highly irregular surface.

`CaSs!~
November 9th, 2008, 05:06 PM
It was a fucking joke jesus christ. I know I'll probably get an infraction for this but PLEASE get off my dick. Find a new team to hop on (and no i'm not mad selentic's just annoying).

Anyways to be on-topic, hopefully this "cure" should be distributed faster than the virus.

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 05:20 PM
http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

HEY! Fuck you cam'ron :mad:

Heathen
November 9th, 2008, 06:00 PM
maybe its an I am Legend cure...

Zombie Vampire future ftw.

teh lag
November 9th, 2008, 06:03 PM
The transplant treatment itself, given only to late-stage cancer patients, kills up to 30% of patients. While scientists are drawing up research protocols to try this approach on other leukemia and lymphoma patients, they know it will never be widely used to treat AIDS because of the mortality risk.

Am I the only person who noticed this? Transplant of bone marrow is not an ideal solution. Beyond this and the pain that can come from the surgery as has been discussed, it's probably expensive as hell, so no way will it be available where it is most needed. Is this a breakthrough? Yes. Is it the breakthrough? No.



Anyways to be on-topic, hopefully this "cure" should be distributed faster than the virus.

Did you even read about how it works?

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 06:10 PM
Did you even read about how it works?Can't they transplant cells from these supposedly immune people and inject into others where the cells would then reproduce causing you to have at least some immunity but not completely? or am I understanding wrong?

teh lag
November 9th, 2008, 06:28 PM
Can't they transplant cells from these supposedly immune people and inject into others where the cells would then reproduce causing you to have at least some immunity but not completely? or am I understanding wrong?

http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/medicine/bonemarrow/bmtinfo.html

Read up. It's not an easy thing to do.

Dwood
November 9th, 2008, 06:47 PM
I'm reluctant to believe that story is as good as they make it to be.

If it were so, then the thing would be all over the place, not just WSJ.

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 07:00 PM
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/medicine/bonemarrow/bmtinfo.html

Read up. It's not an easy thing to do.
Ok so far i'm reading they basically have to be immune AND the marrow has to be nearly identical.....interesting. Still a breakthrough nonetheless. Hopefully there's more people with this immunity than we think so theres a wide arrange of marrows to donate and narrow down AIDS. Hmmmm I'll read on.

SnaFuBAR
November 9th, 2008, 07:51 PM
Shit guys this means that white people need to make another
You know what, Selenshit? FUCK YOU. You take every opportunity you can to make an offhand comment about black people. You don't have the courage to say this to someone's face in private or public, and I can guarantee you I'd handle your ass just like the last person to make the mistake of being a condescending racist fucking asshole cock sucker.

Get fucked, you lowlife piece of shit.

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 07:58 PM
Thank you snaf seriously.....I'm not alone. I figured the mods would jump on me for retaliation, but im glad i'm NOT the only one who noticed that. He's probably a sheltered dumbfuck who's internet badass thinks he's funny. Selentic no one thinks ur funny. I won't get in trouble talking to an ignorant fuck so I'll just end this with.....
^IAWTP and get raped.

PopeAK49
November 9th, 2008, 08:13 PM
[quote=Rob Oplawar;322487]Neat.
Although as I understand it, bone marrow transplants are extremely painful.
This idea of gene therapy is getting close to the concept of deliberate human evolution. How long before this sort of treatment regularly occurs before birth?[quote]

Well when i was 10 my whole body was shutting down because of my heriditary speherisitosis disorder. This disorder made my blood cells more diffrent then everyone elsesm, thus allowing my splene to consume the blood cells and swell to about 7 time bigger then it originally is. My bone marrow system was about to shut down and i was about to die. I got the transfusion and from what i remember i didnt really feel pain. I guess its because i was so close to death i couldn't really identify pain that well.

Anyways this is really cool that aids cant really kill people because of there cells not having that little something. Hmm maybe i should put my blood up for research to see if it is the care to malaria since my blood cells are diffrent from others. Even though it may require a loss splene.

Sel
November 9th, 2008, 08:49 PM
Oh didnt know quoting obamas (ex) pastor was offensive.

FlyingStone
November 9th, 2008, 08:53 PM
RAAAAGE


AGREEMENT RAAAAGE

I must join this RAAAAAGE TO SEL

Gwunty
November 9th, 2008, 08:54 PM
Oh didnt know quoting obamas (ex) pastor was offensive.
Then your some sort of idiot, how is posting a comment on how a specific race needs to be killed according to your racist way of thinking, not offensive? Just becuase some other idiot said it dose not make it right for you to do the same. Seriously your not funny half the time and your starting to get on most peoples nerves.

StankBacon
November 9th, 2008, 08:59 PM
i think hes pretty funny tbh.

`CaSs!~
November 9th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Oh didnt know quoting obamas (ex) pastor was offensive.

LOL I love you

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Oh didnt know quoting obamas (ex) pastor was offensive.And your point is.....that shit has NOTHING to do with the thread. For some reason you throw blacks in every thread you post in. Why don't you make a useful post once in a while...owait that would require logic.

I'm sorry continue on with the topic plz.

StankBacon
November 9th, 2008, 09:06 PM
For some reason you throw blacks in every thread you post in.


well, aids and black people kind of go hand in hand...

Sel
November 9th, 2008, 09:06 PM
And your point is.....that shit has NOTHING to do with the thread. For some reason you throw blacks in every thread you post in. Why don't you make a useful post once in a while...owait that would require logic.

I'm sorry continue on with the topic plz.

Actually if you did your research, my post was making a reference to obamas pastor, who said AIDS was created by white people to kill black people.

This topic is about AIDS, Obama's pastors speech was about aids, wheres the lack of relevance?

`CaSs!~
November 9th, 2008, 09:07 PM
And your point is.....that shit has NOTHING to do with the thread. For some reason you throw blacks in every thread you post in. Why don't you make a useful post once in a while...owait that would require logic.

I'm sorry continue on with the topic plz.

He's clearly stating that Obama's pastor is a fucking racist.

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 09:07 PM
well, aids and black people kind of go hand in hand...AIDS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH EVERYONE!!! It's not race specific.

Gwunty
November 9th, 2008, 09:08 PM
Actually if you did your research, my post was making a reference to obamas pastor, who said AIDS was created by white people to kill black people.

This topic is about AIDS, Obama's pastors speech was about aids, wheres the lack of relevance?
Please tell me your fucking kidding me, those are hair thick strings of relavence. This thread is about how this breakthought can help cure aids. NOT ABOUT obamas pastor who amde a comment about aids.

StankBacon
November 9th, 2008, 09:08 PM
LOL





also...















troll'd

LlamaMaster
November 9th, 2008, 09:10 PM
Good thread, would read again.

LinkandKvel
November 9th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Actually if you did your research, my post was making a reference to obamas pastor, who said AIDS was created by white people to kill black people.

This topic is about AIDS, Obama's pastors speech was about aids, wheres the lack of relevance?
I know what the hell he said.....but by bringing that up your obviously trying to start trouble.

He's clearly stating that Obama's pastor is a fucking racist.Okay but that was a stupid unfunny joke. You guys are acting like this is new. Would you be racist if u lived through segregation??? owait......

TeeKup
November 9th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Selentic I believe you passed the line of "disgusting parasite" ages ago, right now you're just digging deeper into the flesh of the community and sooner or later an admin is going stab you with a burning metal rod. Why don't you go ahead and do EVERYONE a favor and LEAVE.

ZeRk`
November 9th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Selentic hahahaha.

WHY SO SERIOUZ

Timo
November 9th, 2008, 09:18 PM
...............

Timo
November 9th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Nice successful troll Selentic, you managed to kill a thread. But it wasn't just his fault - you guys need to just warn a stupid post like that and not comment about it, if it was just ignored it would've been warned and the topic would've carried on.