[WIP] Halo 1 Hog

[Lord Ned]

(Military) (Wire (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/Lordned/Warthog_800x600_Military_Wireframe.jpg))
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/Lordned/Warthog_800x600_Military-1.jpg

(Civilian) (Wire (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/Lordned/Warthog_800x600_Civlian_Wireframe.jpg))
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/Lordned/Warthog_800x600_Civlian-1.jpg
Editor Screen Grab. (http://hailaeros.com/ZScreen_Uploads/SS-20081214163216.png)

14,000 Triangles.

Working on the turrets texture now, nothing worth showing yet. Will let you guys tear into what I have so far though.

[DEElekgolo]

hehe. I saw you over at poly count. It looks pretty good. Topology is awesome.

[DaneO'Roo]

Looks good, welcome to the forums :)

[Disaster]

Heh looks pretty good mate. Theres a few uneeded edge loops here and there but nice work :awesome:

[Anton]

Welcome to the forums!

The warthog looks good, I can't wait to see it textured.

[Lord Ned]

About that.... I really need more practice texturing. (No better place to start I guess). Here's what I've got so far:

http://hailaeros.com/ZScreen_Uploads/SS-20081218181209.png
(Ignore the green base texture on everything else) Was playing with two textures, one a more "dry" (?) version (left) and the other more green.

[Corndogman]

I like the version on the left better, the details are more subtle, which is good. Model looks good, but as Disaster said there's a few extra edge loops.

Welcome to the forums also.

[killer9856]

Nice warthogs. Welcome to the forums.

[Con]

Welcome to the forums, nice work.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5750/warthog800x600military1an8.jpg

[BobtheGreatII]

I demand a render of the front.

:toughguy:

[SnaFuBAR]

Welcome to the forums. I think that your hog is ok, but could stand to be much better in topology to describe the surface changes. Could you post an unsmoothed render, and not clay so we can actually see how max calculates your topology?

[Lord Ned]

Finally, some real feedback.
I dunno where I got the idea for the shape on the wheel. Might be a side effect from using the Halo 1 hog as a reference.

Valid point on the side things too short.
On the side panel (upper top) I assume you mean the part that sticks out is too thin?

Not sure why they arn't evenly spaced, I didn't do it by hand. Will re-do it though and look.

Any suggestions on a different render then?


Welcome to the forums. I think that your hog is ok, but could stand to be much better in topology to describe the surface changes. Could you post an unsmoothed render, and not clay so we can actually see how max calculates your topology?


Depends, can you say that in english? Just duplicate the mesh and take off all the smoothing groups?


I demand a render of the front.

:toughguy:

Why's that?

[Bad Waffle]

Hey, welcome to the forums. I'm your friendly moderator, and i'd like to just quote some rules for ya to make everything go smoothly, parts important to this specific topic in bold:



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You must state how many triangles the model is.





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Ooh, but i do like the hog. I love the tires.

I have no idea how you managed to make that 14,000 tris--take a look at my hog, and mines about 13k but it has a bunch of crap on there.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7200/page1ij0.jpg

[Lord Ned]

I read those, and I'm pretty sure I followed them.

Do all the additional WIP shots have to be 800x600 too? Other then that, I have 2 renders (800x600) + Wireframes.

[SnaFuBAR]

I think that your mesh, unsmoothed, could possibly be dimpled or crinkled. So yeah, take off all the smoothing groups for one mesh and also remove the lighting so we can see the actual quality of your mesh.

Rendering the "clay" style renders very much disguises modeling and smoothing errors.

[Bad Waffle]

Oi, didn't see your wireframe. Next time just [IMG] it all.

All shots posted must be below the shot tag threshold, which is 800 wide i believe. You can post anything, but if its over 800, shot it.

Also, in your case its not sufficient to post just one frame. From what i can tell, most of your detail is in the interior, and we don't even know what that looks like.

[Lord Ned]

Didn't want to IMG it all as it clutters up the OP/leaves lots of scrolling.

Anyways, is it fine to smaller then 800x600 images, like I did with the textured part?
As Requested: Unsmoothed Render. (Slightly outdated mesh,was the mesh used for wireframe)
[IMG]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/Lordned/Unsmoothed_Render.jpg

And Interior:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/Lordned/Unsmoothed_Interior.jpg
Not terribly happy with it. Obviously need to remove the symmetry and add a proper dashboard.

[Chainsy]

I lol'd when I saw the cup holders in the military hog.

[Lord Ned]

So did I. It's based off of the orginal texture sheet having two depth-looking spots there, and I'm like "Hmmn. I wonder what this is. Upon futher inspection/creative liscence, I concluded they were cupholders.

[Geo]

The model is a bit too bright to tell what it looks like to the full extent. But I would say the model itself is good. Although I think that things such as the gas pedal, and the extrusions on the arm rest are not necessary, unless you plan on making the hog in a fp view. (which would be pretty cool if you ask me)

[Chainsy]

No, that was when the obese marine wanted a ride but there were no more seats so he had to sit in the middle.

[Lord Ned]

That's part of the reason there is detail in there. I'm not sure if I'm going to go with a first person, or a third person.

It really depends what Engine this goes into. If it goes into Source, then first person all the way. Dunno what other engine I could put it into though.

Side Question: Can avatars not be PNG?

[Heathen]

The model is a bit too bright to tell what it looks like to the full extent. But I would say the model itself is good. Although I think that things such as the gas pedal, and the extrusions on the arm rest are not necessary, unless you plan on making the hog in a fp view. (which would be pretty cool if you ask me)
Yus

[NuggetWarmer]

Hah, dude, it's me! I didn't know you'd ever find Modacity. :p

I haven't progressed much on the texture since I've been busy with a lot of stuff lately, but for those who haven't seen what I had:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/foxymccloud/Turretpreview-2.jpg
Yes, I obviously need to fix the part you stand on. :V

[Lord Ned]

Green color is off, but looks better then my attempt.

[Bad Waffle]

Don't worry about cluttering up, the sole reason we have the studio is to give artists topics to post everything and anything with a bit more freedom. so yea, go nuts mate.

Your renders are a bit cloudy, lucky for you, both me and peng made two separate tutorials with the same name, covering rendering!

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6173
http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9328

you see to have a problem with detailing. You focus on little tiny objects, but skip out about defining the bigger shapes--like the seats, the area under the dash, the front of the hog (cable winch, headlights, etc), the whole rollcage and the T-bar, the whole underside. You REALLY gotta get those down, it will look a lot better than a few little knobs or extrusions or cupholders.

EDIT:Nugget, i think the diamond plating would look nicer with a smaller tile.

[SnaFuBAR]

Non-uniform and excessively high poly areas need to be remodeled. You have pretty much pointless details.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2/crit1hv1.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1189/crit2nx9.jpg

[Lord Ned]

Why would I omit 90% of the detail if I use it in a FP environment?

What do you mean by non-uniform, just un-even distribution of polygons?

[Limited]

Um, wheres the gear stick and clutch pedal? (Considering you modeled most of inside I thought I'd ask)

[SnaFuBAR]

well for a fp model, your interior is good, but you don't need anything behind the seat, and for a 3p model (as if you're approaching the car) 90% of your interior is completely unneeded. So figure out what it is, FP or 3P and fix it.

And by non-uniform i mean that your surfaces are all buckled like crumpled/creased paper, and you need to really fix your polygon flow because it's totally wrong.

[Lord Ned]

Fixed the wheels having the wrong detail on them.
Dropped the high-poly winch, went with simple cylinder + bump/normal map.
Removed some over-detailed areas on the hood.
Fixed mirroring on the headlights.

//Todo:
Redo interior. Pay more detail/attention to the driver seat area/realism for driver and passenger side. (Removing the silly details)
Redo exterier. Edgeflow is all wrong.

Can anyone help/provide input on the edgeflow of the sides?
http://hailaeros.com/ZScreen_Uploads/SS-20081218212621.png

[il Duce Primo]

I guess it's a good thing you came. ;)
Like others said, it would be best to work on your poly distribution. Could recycle useless polys here and there and use them for more important things like the windsheild.

[Lord Ned]

How is the windshield more important? If it's rendered in game, as glass, then the edges shouldn't really be noticeable.

[il Duce Primo]

I'm not sure what game you are using this for, but I would imagine that if you look at it from a side view the glass wouldn't be too round.

[SnaFuBAR]

How is the windshield more important? If it's rendered in game, as glass, then the edges shouldn't really be noticeable.
Well the thing is that you've got too few polies there to make the correct shape, so when it's in game and reflecting light, environment, etc, it's going to look very wrong. Don't you see how messed up your windshield mesh is when it's not smoothed?

[TeeKup]

Not bad. I believe everyone has already stated what needs to be done. Listen to Snaf, Peng, and Wave of Lag and they should be able to help you, they've been doing this for quite sometime, especially Snafubar and Tweek.

You're one of the few new members who haven't exploded in our faces for giving proper criticism, that gives you a plus here already. Remember we're a community of artists so we try and work off each other, to do this we all need to pay attention and listen to each other clearly.

Do this and you will do just fine here.

I'm TeeKup, I used to model myself but no longer due to unfortunate hardware problems. Welcome to the Modacity Forums.

[Hotrod]

I agree with everything that TeeKup says. I love that civilian Warthog, since I have always had a thing for civilian versions of Halo vehicles. Keep up the nice work, and welcome to the forums.

[Lord Ned]

Haven't gotten much done. Starting to think the edgeflow of the outside is mostly okay, but the interior still needs to be re-done.

[SnaFuBAR]

Your mesh on the body is ok, except for where i circled in that render. Just remember to redo your windshield. Good luck with it, I hope to see it turn out to the best of your abilities.

[Lord Ned]

This is a bit on hold, working on GameArtistan's Sackboy's competition.

Might snag some time/take a break from the Sackboy(Girl in my case) to work on this.

Edit:
Anyone own a truck/jeep? Could you give some input about what should be on the dash board/feeting area? (Pictures would be nice)

Thanks.

[Kalub]

Which style of jeep? The older ones were extremely simplistic, not much more than a gauge and a bit of wood/metal to mount it to. Vice versa for the newer ones. I would actually turn my inspiration from a H1 Military Hummer.

[Apoc4lypse]

To further help you get an idea of how to fix your edge flow, when using editmesh or edit poly mess around with the "Triangulation" tool, on your windshield the triangulation is way off. (when its smoothed you don't see it but when its unsmoothed its clear that your triangulation is off) Triangulation meaning which direction your triangles are pointing, I guess you could call it within the poly's... idk how else to explain that xD. Listen to Snaf on that, but the trignulation tool can help you fix your edge flow.

[SnaFuBAR]

yeah but making triangles just fucks your smoothing.

[Mass]

You should just move your verts around with smoothing off to fix edge flow. Drag them up and down or left and right until you can tell the surface is more coherent, but make sure you do it on both sides. It's a simple matter of dickering.

[Lord Ned]

There converted to triangles when they go in game anyways...

[SnaFuBAR]

so let the game triangulate it. model in quads so you can see your surfaces correctly. this also allows you to make high res models for normal mapping, but it's more than just modeling in quads. quads sets your mesh up for it, though.