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[Btcc22]

Hell, I got a 128 GB Crucial M4 and it still died on me. :(

Wasn't just the ~5,000 hours firmware bug? Unlucky.

[Warsaw]

You know, it might have been that. At the time, I simply yanked the drive and re-installed everything onto my 10k because I needed my computer up and running. I never bothered to look into it after that. The symptoms sound right.

[Cortexian]

If it was that, you could of still updated the firmware and got it working after it crapped out. That's the only wide-spread issue that effected the Crucial M4's that I ever saw.

@Rosco, the Prodigy cases are definitely already for LAN and mobility use... However lots of people complain that the feet/handles aren't sturdy enough for them. Case will wobble when it's just sitting there and I don't really trust the top handles to carry a fully loaded case.

[Warsaw]

At the time, I wasn't aware there was a bug. I still have the drive, it's even still in the computer. I just need to reconnect it and update the firmware, that's all.

[Rosco]

If it was that, you could of still updated the firmware and got it working after it crapped out. That's the only wide-spread issue that effected the Crucial M4's that I ever saw.

@Rosco, the Prodigy cases are definitely already for LAN and mobility use... However lots of people complain that the feet/handles aren't sturdy enough for them. Case will wobble when it's just sitting there and I don't really trust the top handles to carry a fully loaded case.

Interesting thing about the case.. no even if it was stated as super reliable i'd be more inclined to carry it like a normal pc only because of the expensive stuff inside it haha. The reason I actually went for that case is more of an appealing design thing, it's not very expensive so if it doesn't work I'll replace it with something stronger if I have to :)

nothing a little reinforcing can't fix if the build quality isn't too good! :)

[Bodzilla]

PC keeps crashing without showing hte blue screen of death.

Is it more likely to be a hard drive problem or a GPU problem?

[Dwood]

PC keeps crashing without showing hte blue screen of death.

Is it more likely to be a hard drive problem or a GPU problem?

Well, GPU typically wouldn't cause it to crash unless it has a short, but to be sure, pull out your GPU and start your computer. See if it crashes. Is there a certain time it crashes or program you're using?

[Dwood]

On a completely other note:

Dell prices it's 24" 4k monitor at.... $1,399 (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-4k-up2414q-ultrahd,25256.html) BANG.

[Patrickssj6]

PC keeps crashing without showing hte blue screen of death.

Is it more likely to be a hard drive problem or a GPU problem?
Start->Eventviewer->Windows->System and look for critical events

[Zeph]

On a completely other note:

Dell prices it's 24" 4k monitor at.... $1,399 (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-4k-up2414q-ultrahd,25256.html) BANG.

Anyone paying close attention to the manufacturing of these? Are the non-Dell ones overly expensive because they're the only ones or because the fabs are set up for them?
Would really like to compare these 4k displays to the LCD price drop curves of old.

[Dwood]

Anyone paying close attention to the manufacturing of these? Are the non-Dell ones overly expensive because they're the only ones.

It is essentially that. I can find screens that are 2560x1440 on the net for decent pricing, and a controller board and you have yourself a diy high-res monitor for ~$450. (note: NOT 4K) The only place that's got any competition right now are the smartphone screen providers. If it were price per pixel, the 4k monitor i drooled over a few pages ago would be outrageous if the same price-per-pixel made its way into phone land. The past 2 years have been the industry orgasm-ing over HDTVs and it's only now that it's starting to fade. The size of the 23" monitor i bought on black friday fits me JUST fine, despite desperately wanting 4k res.

But also, that Dell is for artists and extreme enthusiasts like Freelancer who spends $5,500 per computer. It supports adobe RGB and sRGB color ranges, so that's also a part of the reason for the increase in price. (note that the lag is 8ms, which may create a ghosting effect while gaming due to the enhanced color precision)

[Bodzilla]

Start->Eventviewer->Windows->System and look for critical events
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/bodzilla_1/Fucked_zps0350b9e2.jpg
Maybe a Power supply problem?

[Zeph]

details tab

[Warsaw]

It is essentially that. I can find screens that are 2560x1440 on the net for decent pricing, and a controller board and you have yourself a diy high-res monitor for ~$450. (note: NOT 4K) The only place that's got any competition right now are the smartphone screen providers. If it were price per pixel, the 4k monitor i drooled over a few pages ago would be outrageous if the same price-per-pixel made its way into phone land. The past 2 years have been the industry orgasm-ing over HDTVs and it's only now that it's starting to fade. The size of the 23" monitor i bought on black friday fits me JUST fine, despite desperately wanting 4k res.

But also, that Dell is for artists and extreme enthusiasts like Freelancer who spends $5,500 per computer. It supports adobe RGB and sRGB color ranges, so that's also a part of the reason for the increase in price. (note that the lag is 8ms, which may create a ghosting effect while gaming due to the enhanced color precision)

You know, my monitor is also supposedly 6 ms GTG with 12 ms typical, 16 ms tested by Anand. If it's ghosting, I'm usually too busy having fun or oogling at the visuals to care. A bigger issue is the input lag that results when you enable VSYNC. In Battlefield, it's enough to get you killed.

[Bodzilla]

details tab
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/bodzilla_1/fucked2_zpsd736acb9.jpg

[Btcc22]

It is essentially that. I can find screens that are 2560x1440 on the net for decent pricing, and a controller board and you have yourself a diy high-res monitor for ~$450.

You can get non-DIY 2560x1440 screens for less than that. For example, this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/27-Ultra-Slim-Crossover-27QW-LED-IPS-2560x1440-QHD-Monitor-DVI-D-/321219398318?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Mo nitors&hash=item4aca2b0aae).

[Patrickssj6]

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Look for some (probably non-critical) suspicious events right before the critical one. Is your computer running hot? HWMonitor should give an answer.

[Bodzilla]

nope.

It was a while back because i had a warped fucked CPU heatsink and fan, but i now run a MASSIVE cpu fan, which keeps it at 35 degrees under load.

[Donut]

No more milk carton?

[Amit]

That thing was legendary.

[Dwood]

You know, my monitor is also supposedly 6 ms GTG with 12 ms typical, 16 ms tested by Anand. If it's ghosting, I'm usually too busy having fun or oogling at the visuals to care. A bigger issue is the input lag that results when you enable VSYNC. In Battlefield, it's enough to get you killed.

That's what I'm talking about. I always equated the ms with response time between updates with hertz/refresh

My old samsung syncmaster had an advertised 75 hertz refresh rate, but when we went to the full Rez of the monitor of 1900x1200 it would drop to 60. False advertisement, or misleading, rather.

What sucks about all of this, is that 4k monitors in less than 27" screens are only making a comeback JUST NOW (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_T220/T221_LCD_monitors) those monitors are $1,200 on eBay currently, and were released in 2001. TWO THOUSAND AND ONE. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE 4K monitors for 12 FREAKING YEARS. IM PISSED.

[Patrickssj6]

And what did you want to do with 4k Monitors in 2001? Watch a DVD? Play a game with your GeForce 8600 GT? ^^

I cannot understand why you one want right now either. In the future maybe yes but now?

[Warsaw]

There were no 8600 GTs in 2001. Radeon 9800 Pro and Nvidia FX 5900 Ultra were in vogue, though. :)

[Dwood]

And what did you want to do with 4k Monitors in 2001? Watch a DVD? Play a game with your GeForce 8600 GT? ^^

This has nothing to do with that. I'm pissed because we've moved backwards, not forwards, in monitor screen-tech. It's akin to going from an octo-core cpu back to dual core, or from 28nm architecture to 56 nm or larger.


I cannot understand why you one want right now either. In the future maybe yes but now?

See above.

[Warsaw]

Or going from having a multi-window workspace to being limited to two windows...

[Patrickssj6]

Sorry idgi. If I am completely missing the point, would you please elaborate?

Where have we gone backwards or do you mean we have not-gone-as-fast-forward in terms of screen resolution? 3nm Transistors already existed back in 2006, so being at 28nm Technology right now does not mean we have gone backwards...there is a lot more to a product to be commercially available than just "having the technology to do it".

Foremost is the demand and for instance for me, 4k is not really interesting right now because it also does not seem like a leap forward in technology than just another "nice-to-have". My demand for a new monitor (I have been looking for one) was just 1200p (because I prefer 16:10) and this is more important: Being pre-calibrated with 100% sRGB coverage. I have a dual-monitor setup because I often work with 2 windows simultaneously. If 4k would allow me to do this conveniently on one screen I would welcome and consider using it, I am just not sure it does.

Also just to give you an example from another tech branch: Do you know how many Megapixels the top-of-the-line $5500 DSLR from Nikon has? 16. They have cheaper DSLRs with up to 42 but they decided to use 16 on their best camera. There is always more to something than it might appear at first and in some cases, less is just more.

[Dwood]

I'm upset because, I honestly think the average standard for a computer monitor that's sold at a place like best buy should be a minimum of 1440p. But no, there are still 1080 models. 1900x1440 is the high-end that's on display, and TV's utterly demolish the computer screens in display area.

Sure, it's great for you- the IBM T220 and T221 were commercially available in mass production in 2001. More than that, the reasons why we've gone backwards, or stagnated, are more dumb than i'd like. There was a time when computer monitors murdered TV's in terms of quality (and a lot of the times, they still do), but since the hd tv hype has subsided a bit, we've gone not just down from the T220+221, but we've stayed at the same exact ratios as TV's ever since the entering of 'hd' as a television standard.

[Warsaw]

2560x1440 is 1440p.

Where we went backwards on PC displays is moving from 16:10 to 16:9 and from having the common 14" and 15" display resolution go from 1440x900 to 1366x768. It's atrocious and, while I'm glad to see this resolution is fading away, the market is still over-saturated with garbage computers so equipped. Why? All because panel vendors could simply scale production of their 720p panels to fit the PC market, the cheap fuckers.

1600x900 is also a step down from those 1680x1050 16:10 monitors that used to hold their position on the market, but since 1080p monitors have become so inexpensive I don't mind as much.

Also, Dell's replacements for the U2711/U3011 are shit. I got a hell of a lot more for $900 with my U2711 than you get for the same price out of the U2713. Way more connectivity, CFL backlighting be damned.

[Patrickssj6]

e: warsaw posting too fast. this is @dwood

Well you should probably not compare apple with oranges; for obvious reasons TVs have a bigger display area and we stuck at this aspect ratios because they are the golden ratio after all. You also should look more at the back-end of things: The content which will be displayed is surely as important than the display itself. I know in America they are further ahead with HDTV but over here we just barely switched over to it and it is still just picture with 720p which then gets upscaled to 1080p so why should people now buy 4k TVs if there is no standard for it? No console, no BluRay and no TV Channel can output that resolution.

To me, display development has gone into the wrong direction. Everyone just wanted to have a smaller response time (which is just gamer elitism really...), a higher resolution and a bigger screen, the usual "bigger is better" mentality. Why not focus on stuff we all would benefit from for instance pre-calibration so we can all -this sounds very banal- at least see the same picture, which after all, is the point of a display? Why own a huge car with 500bhp if it cannot get you from A to B.

I welcome every new form of technology but if 1440p or 4k means down-scaling my games so my gfx card can handle them, to upscale movies to fit the resolution and Windows not being practical at doing multi-window work on one display, I just don't see the need for it and I wait for the point in time when there will be technology to truly support this.

@warsaw 16:10 supremacy.

On a side note, maybe I am just not experiencing these controversies. My Computer has 1200p, my Laptop has 1080p, TV has 1080p and my smartphone has 720p. Pretty much all standard.

[Tnnaas]

Technology pushes technology. You mentioned your graphics card would struggle with 4k resolutions and more to the point - I quote:


I just don't see the need for it and I wait for the point in time when there will be technology to truly support this.
Had we had 4k monitors a decade ago and they were being pushed to become the new standard back then, then nVidia, AMD, and Intel would all have put forth the effort to make their graphics support these greater resolutions. Imagine if my little GT 630 was built to push that many pixels? I imagine it would still perform as it does now with 1080p in terms of speed, but it would have been built with the intent to drive full 4k resolutions if that were the case. Now, I'm not saying it can't, but there would be a massive performance impact. That impact wouldn't exist if it was built in a time when 4k is and has been the standard since before its previous gen counterparts were manufactured.

A similar thing is if fiber internet had been set up across Europe and the Americas ten years ago. We wouldn't really be talking about it now in all our excitement because we've had it for a good long while. Hell, we would probably be pushing something more powerful at this point if that's even possible. Attempting to break physics and getting ansible-like communication maybe? And all our TVs would be reaching 8k or something. vOv

[Warsaw]

e: warsaw posting too fast.

I have no life...actually I do, but I'm ignoring it at the moment.




On a side note, maybe I am just not experiencing these controversies. My Computer has 1200p, my Laptop has 1080p, TV has 1080p and my smartphone has 720p. Pretty much all standard.

The size ratio and resolution issues have impacted laptops more than anything else, since the displays are integrated. Sure, you could always get 1920x1200 or 1920x1080, but these are generally regarded as premium options and were so even on laptops 17" and up until fairly recently. Even then, you still paid for it. It's the mainstream end of the spectrum that really got the shaft. My laptop from 2005 has a 14", 1440x900 16:10 screen, standard. Even today, a 14" or 15" laptop comes with a 1366x788 16:9 screen as standard. This is unacceptable, and it's not like consumers had a choice or a chance to influence company decisions (I love broken economics) because the entire industry went that way except Apple, but Apple's 13" screen was 1280x800, so it wasn't not really any better.

[Patrickssj6]

Technology pushes technology.

This is of course true but one should not make things appear that simple since there are lot of factors that go into the equation.

This is also a reason I don't like considering Moore's "law" as a law, it is just an observation in a short time span. What should be a law is, that technology will stop when it meets with human limits. In case of resolution when we reach the point, where our eyes cannot differentiate between resolutions anymore. When harddrive space gets so big we cannot put enough data on it because our lives are to short to view of all of it. When CPUs are that fast that human reaction is the bottleneck. When the DPI of your mouse is so high, the movement of a muscle always is too rough for precision.

And I think with resolution we soon will have hit the limit, on an average computer screen (24'? , also a human limitation obviously) there is more potential for pixel density right now but I doubt the difference between 4k and 8k will have any significance. To be able to use more screen space you would have to make everything smaller until you cannot read text anymore (another human limitation). On a TV this is obviously another story because of the screen size / pixel density.

This is a topic where we have a lot knowledge of / daily practice that is why it is hard to debate but if you take a look at other technology branches where there are similar discussions (which are far worse tbh, this here is pretty factual) you will find these human limitation much faster. Can you see the difference between a 16MP or 36MP picture printed out? Can you see if the picture was taken with a 16-28 Nikon 2.8 ($2800) or a 18-105mm 3.5 ($150) lens? Can you hear if an electric guitar was recorded on a solid state amp or a valve amp? For you this seems a small difference but people make a HUGE deal of it (and pay a lot of $$$). Would you pay 10 times the money for a guitar amplifier, something you can barely hear the difference? I did just because of the "bigger is better" mentality :P

I just brought these examples up because I think these topics can be very well compared to computer technology.



The size ratio and resolution issues have impacted laptops more than anything else, since the displays are integrated. Sure, you could always get 1920x1200 or 1920x1080, but these are generally regarded as premium options and were so even on laptops 17" and up until fairly recently. Even then, you still paid for it. It's the mainstream end of the spectrum that really got the shaft. My laptop from 2005 has a 14", 1440x900 16:10 screen, standard. Even today, a 14" or 15" laptop comes with a 1366x788 16:9 screen as standard. This is unacceptable, and it's not like consumers had a choice or a chance to influence company decisions (I love broken economics) because the entire industry went that way except Apple, but Apple's 13" screen was 1280x800, so it wasn't not really any better.

Hmm well it is difficult to say where the diversity comes from, maybe it is just a time where companies compete with form factors until it it balances out and a standard is established? Or it is the gfx card which is not very powerful in netbooks or it is like I said, you don't see any difference or screen space would be too big / items too small. Do people even care? Would you care if you don't know the individual screen resolutions? Progress comes with the need of improvement. Laptops are either too heavy, too slow, too large or battery life too short but I never heard people saying, "the screen resolution could be a lot higher".

There are also people like my dad who do not the best eyesight and turn down resolution to be able to see text on screen.

[Warsaw]

I would notice not being able to have as many windows up or having to scroll more. My sister noticed these things when she went from her 14" with the 144x900 resolution to a Lenovo U410 with the garbage resolution, and she's not a tech savvy individual like we are. Most people don't really know about pixels, but they do think a larger screen means you should have more work-space. Unfortunately for them, it doesn't work that way.

It's a shame DPI-scaling isn't very well implemented, because your dad having to turn down the resolution to read the text is a sad state of affairs for computing.

[Patrickssj6]

Being able to change DPI while keeping the UI size at a given resolution (and being able to change that as well of corse) would be brilliant idea!

[Dwood]

Being able to change DPI while keeping the UI size at a given resolution (and being able to change that as well of corse) would be brilliant idea!

It certainly is. Those are the kinds of features we need in computer displays, so our ui can actually scale with increasing pixel density. It sounds like the concepts of vectors. Though, the os or graphics drivers would need to know either the dimensions of the display or the pixel density as well. That way, size could theoretically stay the same but the overall details could be more crisp, too.

Let's look around and see if there are any solutions to that question/problem.

[Warsaw]

Pfff, that's nothing a few questions at set-up can't fix. And a vecor-based UI would be perfect.

[Amit]

Watch this and feel inadequate!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=ihh3yKnnPO0

[Cortexian]

As someone with a $5,000 system.

Challenge accepted.

I haven't had TIME to sit down and figure out what customer water-cooling stuff I'm going to put in my system yet... I know it's probably going to total about $800 - $1,000 based on other builds I've seen. The reason I got this case was for the water-cooling upgrade potential it has, would be a shame to never put that to use!

I'm probably going to pickup another used Titan in the future as well, because I already have the triple-SLI bridge and the board can do PCI-E 3.0 x8 on 4 lanes just fine, so I have the bandwidth... But not until I need it, because I'm running BF4 on Ultra at 5760x1200 without any issues, and every other game on max settings at the highest resolutions they can do, and getting solid 60 FPS with adaptive VSYNC.

[Patrickssj6]

You need more screens, just in case you decide to turn your head

[Tnnaas]

If I were going to build a computer within the next 12 months (it could be next month, next December, or somewhere in between ), and it was going to last me at least 5 years after it was built (with various upgrades on the side of course), should I wait until DDR4 memory and the motherboards to support it are manufactured or just go ahead and build with the hardware that's available now?

[Btcc22]

I'd recommended not to bother waiting but it's difficult to predict the future.

[Dwood]

If I were going to build a computer within the next 12 months (it could be next month, next December, or somewhere in between ), and it was going to last me at least 5 years after it was built (with various upgrades on the side of course), should I wait until DDR4 memory and the motherboards to support it are manufactured or just go ahead and build with the hardware that's available now?

how desperate are you for a new computer? If you want a top tier computer, wait. Ddr4 comes out this month apparently. If a midrange computer, no biggie. ddr3 8gb single stick isn't a bad option tbh.

[Tnnaas]

how desperate are you for a new computer? If you want a top tier computer, wait. Ddr4 comes out this month apparently. If a midrange computer, no biggie. ddr3 8gb single stick isn't a bad option tbh.I was thinking about midrange. Something that will give me good fps on decent settings for most yet-to-be-released games. I'm certainly not going to dump ten grand on it, lol. Certainly something under $1000 with some room to add on in the near future.

I suppose DDR4 memory would be a better buy five years down the line after it has had time to improve. The only reason I wonder is because I'm gearing back towards 2D and 3D digital art (maybe some video editing too, but I'm not sure), so I would like some of the best memory in terms of price/performance available. There are more than plenty of options DDR3 wise that will fit the bill, but curiosity was just catching my attention.

And for the first question: I'm not terribly desperate for a new system, but if you had the box sitting next to me, you would want to replace it too.

[Patrickssj6]

RAM Clock speed barely affects performance. It will take some time until price / performance for DDR4 will be right. Right now you are just better off spending your money on DDR3.

Just get yourself a good GFX Card with CUDA cores and you can enjoy hardware acceleration in Adobe products.

[Dwood]

I was thinking about midrange. Something that will give me good fps on decent settings for most yet-to-be-released games. I'm certainly not going to dump ten grand on it, lol. Certainly something under $1000 with some room to add on in the near future.

I suppose DDR4 memory would be a better buy five years down the line after it has had time to improve. The only reason I wonder is because I'm gearing back towards 2D and 3D digital art (maybe some video editing too, but I'm not sure), so I would like some of the best memory in terms of price/performance available. There are more than plenty of options DDR3 wise that will fit the bill, but curiosity was just catching my attention.

And for the first question: I'm not terribly desperate for a new system, but if you had the box sitting next to me, you would want to replace it too.

Okay, then. I upgraded from a laptop with dual-core processor and integrated graphics, that could only play halo pc on low settings. It's not that desperate, i hope?

The motherboard is really the key for any computer's upgradeability. If you don't mind waiting, what you CAN do in the meantime, is purchase a nice gfx card and a super-nice psu, then save up some more, buy a nice new case, wait/save up a bit more, etc. There are no motherboard announcements that I have seen for DDR4, so your computer had ought to be fine with DDR3 for the next year at least. Make sure, for upgradeability, you buy the NICEST mobo you can, as well as the NICEST PSU you can, and go from there. You can port old hdd's, cd drives, even the case, until you're ready for a new one.

If you were buying a new computer, and there were at least announcements for high-end motherboards in DDR4, i would say wait, but Crucial's the only producer that's announced rolling out any DDR4 chips. No point

[Amit]

If I were going to build a computer within the next 12 months (it could be next month, next December, or somewhere in between ), and it was going to last me at least 5 years after it was built (with various upgrades on the side of course), should I wait until DDR4 memory and the motherboards to support it are manufactured or just go ahead and build with the hardware that's available now?

If you're going to be building a new PC within a year, then you'll definitely want to wait and see what DDR4 pricing is like half a year from now. If this (http://www.crucial.com/promo/DDR4.aspx)is any indication, you definitely want DDR4. It's just too much of a step up from DDR3 if it is affordable.


Just get yourself a good GFX Card with CUDA cores and you can enjoy hardware acceleration in Adobe products.

OpenCL on AMD will do well, too: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/photoshop-cs6-gimp-aftershot-pro,3208-13.html

[Patrickssj6]

CUDA != OpenCL. Both ATI and Nvidia use OpenCL but some things are CUDA accelerated. Not that it makes a huge difference because only some 3rd party plugins use it but if you don't care and the price is right you might as well go with CUDA.

Some native plugins in Premiere use CUDA which are marked.

[Warsaw]

On the flip side, if you plan to mine any cryptocurrencies stay far away from Nvidia.

[ThePlague]

On the flip side, if you plan to mine any cryptocurrencies stay far away from Nvidia.Not worth mining though, because cost outweighs income, especially with bitcoins.

[Warsaw]

Depends on the currency. LTC is doable. BTC? Ha, no.

[Amit]

I need an uninterrupted power supply after all these power outages in the GTA. Someone recommend me a good, basic one for less than $100 CAD.

[Dwood]

Sorry, got nothing to recommend... but, in other news:

Dell planning on a 28" ultra-high-definition for sub-$1000:


Coming Soon: Dell 28 Ultra HD Monitor– Expected to be The Industry’s Most Affordable Ultra HD Monitor
The Dell 28 Ultra HD Monitor will be available in early 2014. Offering the same incredible Ultra HD screen performance as the Dell UltraSharp 32 and Dell UltraSharp 24 Ultra HD Monitors, but priced at under $1,000, this 28-inch monitor can help boost user productivity with its multiple adjustability features, including the ability to pivot to portrait mode, plus multi-task applications. The energy efficient monitor has multiple input ports that allow users to display content from smartphones and tablets on the larger screen, and conveniently connect laptops, PCs and essential accessories. Dell expects this monitor will be the most affordable Ultra HD monitor in the industry when it is launched.

Look here (http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/uscorp1/secure/2013-12-2-dell-ultrasharp-ultra-hd-monitors) about halfway down.

!!!!

[Warsaw]

I'm still waiting for this curved prototype they showed us to go into production. I would buy the shit out of this:

msLKbeVvteU

[Btcc22]

Sorry, got nothing to recommend... but, in other news:

Dell planning on a 28" ultra-high-definition for sub-$1000

Great. This means we can expect Korean versions for a third of the price.

[Zeph]

I'm still waiting for this curved prototype they showed us to go into production. I would buy the shit out of this:

msLKbeVvteU

An LCD version of that will never make it to consumers. It had some serious problems. LED might fix that, but who knows

[Btcc22]

An LCD version of that will never make it to consumers. It had some serious problems. LED might fix that, but who knows

I think you're confusing terms. LED (99% of the time) refers to backlighting for an LCD display. If you watch the video, you'll see that it's DLP rear-projection anyway.

[InnerGoat]

I'm still waiting for this curved prototype they showed us to go into production. I would buy the shit out of this:

msLKbeVvteUi recall that piece of garbage was actually for sale for a short time? it's projection lol

[Warsaw]

The concept is still awesome. OLED, make it happen!

[Zeph]

I think you're confusing terms. LED (99% of the time) refers to backlighting for an LCD display. If you watch the video, you'll see that it's DLP rear-projection anyway.
They abandoned the DLP because it was as heavy as a television. They tried LCD panels, but it had horribly noticeable banding due to how the backlights were set up along the curve. LED might have alleviated that.

[Btcc22]

They abandoned the DLP because it was as heavy as a television. They tried LCD panels, but it had horribly noticeable banding due to how the backlights were set up along the curve. LED might have alleviated that.

It sounds like the problem was using typical LED edge-lighting with a reflector rather than a more expensive LED matrix directly behind the panel, not that it's anything more than a guess.

[Dwood]

The concept is still awesome. OLED, make it happen!

Yeah, it's p. Neat. I'd be interested in a flat-panel curved, but that thing's pretty thick and the resolution isn't that great.

I'm hoping the korean vendors will come out with a ultra-hd at 24" for less than $600. I'd be heavily tempted to buy one.

[Higuy]

Question:

I currently have a ATI 7850 as my current GPU. I see the new r9 series have come out, at the pricey cost of roughly 400~ for one of the "better" models like the R9 280x.

I was wondering if it'd rather be worth getting the R9 280x or simiply another 7850 to run in crossfire with. I'm assuming if I got the 7850 and run it in crossfire, by the time I can't really play games on ultra anymore it'd be time to upgrade and the R9 series will already be much lower than what it is now. But is CrossFire worth it? I'm mainly considering that option since I have a triple monitor setup now.

[=sw=warlord]

From what I recall. the 280X is effectively a re-badged card so I'm not sure you'll get that much of a big difference.

[Tnnaas]

But is CrossFire worth it? I'm mainly considering that option since I have a triple monitor setup now.
Most AMD cards anybody here would buy support AMD's Eyefinity which allows you to do up to six screens on certain cards and setups. For your setup and with any R9 series card, you would probably use one if not two of the DVI ports (if you don't want HDMI) and DisplayPort for three monitors (DisplayPort is required as the third display for triple-monitor setups vOv). You can check out the Eyefinity page (http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/amd-eyefinity-technology/for-consumers/Pages/what-is-eyefinity.aspx) AMD has for more in-depth explanation, but it's clearly a bit aged.

If you're actually considering using CrossFire, you should probably at least check to make sure your motherboard is built for the CrossFire setup you want. Most motherboards won't have 4 PCI-E x16 slots all at x16 speeds. They'll be at maybe x16 x8 x4 x4. If you plan to only use say, dual CrossFire, then you only need your first two PCI-E slots at x16 and x16 and you can disregard the others, if any, assuming you won't use them for anything as demanding as graphics. This is certainly important if you want to jump up to an R9 290 or 290x where CrossFire is actually done through the PCI-E slots rather than a CrossFire bridge. If you want four full PCI-E x16 slots at x16 speeds, you'll have to do a lot of searching around, and I'm sure your wallet wouldn't take too kindly to it either.

Oh, and just another thing, the stock R9 270 performs about as well as the GTX 660 and also supports the Mantle API. Just look at benchmarks and see how things will stack against one another at stock clocks.

[InnerGoat]

280x is just a 7970 with a small overclock but it's still a fast card for the price. All the higher end AMD gpus have jacked up prices thanks to the litecoin / altcoin miners right now so maybe you should wait a month or two.

[Higuy]

Yeah I plan on waiting a few months - but if I did crossfire it'd be with just two 7850's, and I'm assuming it'd be with the bridge (my mobo does support all this, and also just has two pci-e slots anyway)

I currently run trip monitors how you explained NneYaTano, I'm just thinking it'd be nice for the extra graphical power now, and that I might be able to actually play games decently across all 3 monitors if I wanted too. Right now my FPS gets down pretty low (in the teens, sometimes when I'm lucky 20's) when I try, I'm assuming two GPU's will help increase the power for that.

[InnerGoat]

It really depends on what game you want to play with the cards. Support comes and goes as games get updated, unfortunately. For example EA broke BF4's SLI support with a previous patch because they suck I guess??

[Cortexian]

because they suck I guess??
mostly this.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

anyone looking for i7 3770 cpus?
pm me

[Rook]

Needing a price check on my current PC that I'm gonna be selling. Have two possible buyers already but need to find a fair price and I've been out tune with PC parts for a long while.

Processor AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.42GHz
Memory 4GB DDR3
Hard Drive 500GB
Video card AMD Sapphire 6870 1GB DDR5

And the case is an Antec 300 if that matters at all. Thanks niggers.

http://i.imgur.com/77wFSlc.jpg

[Warsaw]

Hard to know what to ask without more specific information on what you have (make, model for each part). Going off of what you provided:

CPU: $90
GPU: $125
HDD: $30
Case: $15 (it's used and they were as low as $30 new)
Motherboard: $50
Memory: $30

Total: $340

Knowing what your motherboard is could boost it quite a bit.

[Tnnaas]

I-er, um, I have a used Intel CPU with some thermal paste on the connectors.

What's the best possible way to remove it without damaging the processor?

I mean, the paste is in a corner. It's not slathered all across the bottom or anything.

[Siliconmaster]

Perhaps use a credit card or something similar to scrape it off. Something that will not react with the surface or the goop but will only take it off. That being said, might want a second opinion.

[Warsaw]

Coffee filter and alcohol. Use a toothpick for hard to reach areas.

[Tnnaas]

Got it cleaned, thanks.

[Amit]

Do dis: http://forum.coolermaster.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=16112

[Cortexian]

Those are cool, you know, if you never want to move it again.

[Rook]

Hard to know what to ask without more specific information on what you have (make, model for each part). Going off of what you provided:

CPU: $90
GPU: $125
HDD: $30
Case: $15 (it's used and they were as low as $30 new)
Motherboard: $50
Memory: $30

Total: $340

Knowing what your motherboard is could boost it quite a bit.
Ended up selling for $450 and building a slick new system. Giving intel a try for the first time.

[InnerGoat]

good job that it a good price for what it was :)

hope u got a wykd syk posting station now :)

[Rook]

good job that it a good price for what it was :)

hope u got a wykd syk posting station now :)

20% better shit posting :cool:

[Cortexian]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/customavatars/avatar1637_135.gif

[Tnnaas]

Who's doing custom loop water cooling?
Anybody doing custom loop water cooling?

Is it fairly straightforward? Would you recommend for systems that would benefit from custom loops?
I'm asking for... future me. Future me wants to do some wykd syk water cooled shitposting.

[InnerGoat]

Don't bother with it. For the cost of a good loop you can buy another GPU and that's a noticeable performance improvement :mech:

[Warsaw]

But a custom loop will also be far less noisy than running two video cards with blowers and probably cooler, too. That being said, it's not really worth it unless you've got a multi-card setup.

[Tnnaas]

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Nvidia, watrudoing (http://www.digitalstormonline.com/unlocked/nvidia-unveils-geforce-gtx-titan-z-dual-gpu-titan-z-idnum211/)?

http://videocardz.com/images/2014/03/GeForce-GTX-TITAN-Z-1200x852.jpg

I had a rant but then Modacity ate it. I just genuinely want to know why?

EDIT: I mean, I know the Titans are the middle-ground between the GeForce cards and the Quadro cards, but this looks like it's almost trying to get rid of the Quadros entirely, albeit at $1k more than the highest-end card.

[InnerGoat]

hahaha the price of that thing

[Btcc22]

Freelancer's preordered four.

[Tnnaas]

Yo dawg, I heard you like computers so we put a computer in your computer so you can compute with a computer while you're on your computing computer (http://www.techpowerup.com/199305/axiomtek-debuts-the-shb230-picmg-1-3-half-size-single-board-computer.html).


Axiomtek, one of the world's leading designers and manufacturers of innovative, high performance and reliable PC-based industrial computer products is pleased to introduce SHB230, its high-performing PICMG 1.3 half-size single board computer.

Main Features:

LGA1150 socket for 4th Generation Intel Core i7/i5/i3/Celeron processors with Intel Q87 PCH, up to 45W
Two 240-pin DDR3-1333/1600 SO-DIMM sockets up to 16 GB memory capacity
Two SATA3 ports with data transfer rate up to 6 Gbps
Dual-view display via DVI-I or LVDS interface
Four USB 2.0 ports and two USB 3.0 supported
Supports one CFast socket
Intel Active Management Technology 9.0 (AMT 9.0) supported

Not sure if it's new thread worthy, but what sort of applications do you think this would be good for? It's pretty interesting to say the least.

EDIT: If it came with its own M.2 port, it could utilize those wicked cool M.2 SSDs directly onboard and have its own OS staying with the card without requiring SATA connectors to separate drives.

[InnerGoat]

Not sure if it's new thread worthy, but what sort of applications do you think this would be good for? It's pretty interesting to say the least.
It is a computer so you can do the same thing an Intel NUC could do really, but that would be dumb . Have fun paying for a current gen SBC.

I have a dead Pentium 3 based one and it's worth quite a bit if it worked today.

[Warsaw]

Current gen SBC...current gen Small Block Chevy?

[InnerGoat]

superior bitcoin cruncher

[Bodzilla]

looking at getting a new computer

Whats a good CPU to go with these days?
looking for something thats not top of the line, but will hold up fine for the next 3 years or so.

[=sw=warlord]

I personally have an i5 3470 which runs perfectly fine for everything except rendering in C4D, but that's mostly down to core count rather than processing speed.
Got mine for £125 last year so it's not mega expensive.

[Cortexian]

+1 for Mid-High range Core i5 processor. They're still the best for general usuage / gaming. If you start adding stuff on top of gaming like live streaming or recording then that's when you move up to an i7, but a higher end i5 will still handle that stuff fairly well.

[Bodzilla]

is the 4570 a good choice?

[stunt_man]

If you have the cash, go for the Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz. AFAIK it's got the best bang for your buck.

[Tnnaas]

A friend of mine had a complaint about his PC in a Skype group I'm in.


[10:13:12 AM] tipsta: can we talk about how my computer can run dark souls 2 better than trials fusion?
[11:56:42 AM] mads.kongsbak: no
[12:19:46 PM] tipsta: dang
[12:24:04 PM] Nne ya Tano: ur PC sux m8 download more ram
[12:24:24 PM] desmondh2os: delete ur system 32 noob
[12:25:53 PM] Nne ya Tano: U need a 30hz monitro 60hz or more is too hasty 4 ur hard drive
[12:27:20 PM] onypae_ominiondae: Clearly you don't have enough of the GRU, need all five dude
[12:27:30 PM] Nne ya Tano: supercharge ur PC by walking on carpet in ur socks or by rubbing a balloon on ur hed. Touch you motherboard. If ur finger didn't get zapped, keep trying.
[12:27:40 PM] desmondh2os: You need to clean your motherboard/
[12:27:47 PM] desmondh2os: go put it in the dishwasher
[12:27:55 PM] desmondh2os: that should speed that thing up
[12:28:17 PM] onypae_ominiondae: powerwash your hard drive it might have a layer of dust blocking it up
[12:28:27 PM] Nne ya Tano: Replace thermal paste on CPU with toothpaste. Paste is paste, and thhothpaste works better
[12:29:32 PM] onypae_ominiondae: If you put four magnets on your hardrive each making a cube if you drew lines betweem it'll increase the RPM
[12:29:47 PM] onypae_ominiondae: its a neat trick but makes a bit of noise
[12:30:48 PM] Nne ya Tano: Fans work better when underwater, this is how propellers work. Put ur PC in a fish tank to improve fan performance
[12:31:36 PM] onypae_ominiondae: Paint the case of your pc red becuase, according to orks, "red is the fastest color"
[12:31:58 PM] onypae_ominiondae: thats should make your processor 10-15% faster
[12:32:06 PM] desmondh2os: then add speed lines
[12:32:09 PM] onypae_ominiondae: ya
[12:32:22 PM] desmondh2os: lol overclociking is for noobs
[12:32:28 PM] onypae_ominiondae: now if you want a low profile pc paint the front purple, its the sneakiest color
[12:33:06 PM] Nne ya Tano: Get mobile gpus for ur comp. they are mobile so that means they run faster and longer than lazy desktop gpus
[12:34:07 PM] onypae_ominiondae: put gun sillouette stencils on your pc, itll make you do more damage and have more health in FPS games
[12:34:57 PM] tipsta: thanks guys
[12:35:04 PM] tipsta: knew i could count on you
Any legitimate tips though to help him? He hasn't posted PC specs though, so let's assume with a budget of $1,000: what would be the best bang for the buck l33t g4m1n6 m4sh33n? Not including peripherals of course. I'm sure he has those already.


Operating System
Microsoft Windows 8 64-bit
CPU
AMD A8-5600K
Trinity 32nm Technology
RAM
8.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)
Motherboard
MSI 2AE0 (P0)
Graphics
W2040 (1600x900@60Hz)
AMD Radeon HD 7560D
Hard Drives
932GB Western Digital WDC WD10EZEX-60ZF5A0 (SATA)
Optical Drives
DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
hp CDDVDW SH-216BB
Audio
IDT High Definition Audio CODEC

[=sw=warlord]

"HD7560"

:gonk:

There's your problem!

[InnerGoat]

lol

e: get a new gpu right away. the cpu would be the next thing to replace down the road.
maybe trials fusion is buggy with his current gpu drivers or maybe the game is just a mess?? :iiam:

Anyways since you want a l33t gaymenz pc that means you want something similar to the following:


haswell CPU like the 4670k or 4770k
SSD like the samsung 840 evo (lots of options to pick from here)
at least 8GB (2 x 4GB sticks) of DDR3 1600 or faster
AMD r9 280x or nvidia gtx 770? The 280x will probably be usable longer as it has 3GB of vram compared to 2GB on the 770. There are 4GB 770s but they cost a bit more.
a good psu :downs:
tl;dr - go to pc parts picker and look at what others built


is the 4570 a good choice? It is if you're not planning on overclocking, since it can't be overclocked at all. If you think you will mess with overclocking some time down the road, get the 4670k.

[InnerGoat]

Put a 750ti in there and you'll be running much faster than that onboard amd gpu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487025

[Bodzilla]

nah i dont really fuck around with overclocking tbqh. as long as it's not being a bottle neck i leave the CPU alone.
i do have that massive noctura CPU fan, but it'd probably be years before the 4570 would be the bottle neck in a system ya?

with current generational stuff i'm finding i'm wearing them out before games catchup to them.
what do ya reckon?

[InnerGoat]

You'll love it. I just like to overclock things for the fun of it lol.

[Bodzilla]

Puters are for pray gaem.

OC is nerd stuff

(but seriously with current gen CPU's, i'd be looking at the least at a couple of years before the CPU bottle necks the system ya?)

[Donut]

If it's any help, I bought an i5-2500k just about 3 years ago and I've never needed to overclock the thing. I've never seen it be a bottleneck in anything, and if it ever is, I'll just drop 20 bucks on an aftermarket cooler and OC that bitch.

[Cortexian]

Yeah my 2500k is still going strong, really great CPU, but IMO you're always better off buying the current or last generation of CPU/motherboard. Never older than that.

There are certain situations in which cost savings is the primary focus, but performance usually isn't a factor in those situations (ex: If you want to build your own hardware router).

[Bodzilla]

Well i had the i7 860, and i never got close to peaking it.
i really cant see a reason to throw money at something ... cause.

[samnwck]

I've recently built a new computer, and for the first month everything was working great with no hang ups. But as of two days ago I started getting resets, and on the bios screen on startup it said it was due to a power surge and it shut down to protect itself. I opened the case up to look for some source of the issue, no dice. So I plugged everything back in and what do you know, it died once again after about 3 hours in to playing a game. Except this time it seems to have taken out my graphics card as there seems to be no video out at all from it. Does anyone have any clues?

[Cortexian]

Were you overclocking anything?

[samnwck]

No, nothing was overclocked. Here's a parts list

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($334.98 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX2 30g Thermal Paste ($21.73 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($198.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($334.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($249.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Dual FTW ACX Video Card ($519.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($122.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($22.94 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)
Monitor: Asus VH236H 23.0" Monitor ($146.58 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VH236H 23.0" Monitor ($146.58 @ Newegg)

And no critical system settings had been changed in the recent days leading up to me ultimately losing video. No programs either besides unigine heaven though I doubt that would have had anything to do with it.

All the video cards outputs have now been checked and no dice with any, the monitor is working though. Onboard video is not working as well. Though I don't know if I would have had to activate something to get that to work but I know all intel cpu's have onboard. So now on top of my gfx card not working(which now I'm not sure if it is or isn't) I'm now thinking it could be my motherboard or possibly CPU?

[Cortexian]

Alright, I'd recommend taking out everything non-essential.

Strip that system down to the basics: CPU, cooler, motherboard, 1x memory DIMM, both your HDD's should be fine to leave in, case, PSU.

Unplug the GPU, Optical drive, your other 3 x memory DIMM's, and your second monitor (just use one from onboard).

Try booting at that point, you may need to enter BIOS to enable the onboard GPU and GPU outputs instead of the discrete GPU. This should happen automatically when you take out the distrete GPU though.

If you can't even get into BIOS because there's no signal, you might be out a motherboard or CPU. Or worst case scenario you might be out a motherboard, CPU, memory, GPU, etc...

If you have another computer available to you that has similar componenets (ex: same socket motherboard, DDR3 memory, PCI-E motherboard, etc) then you can try all of the parts you have in that known-good system one by one to weed out what broke.

[Btcc22]

Not so sure that it's such a smart idea to keep testing with a PSU that potentially just fried his machine.

[=sw=warlord]

^This.

Get yourself a power supply tester or multimeter and check the plugs are kicking out the correct voltage and amperage.
A good PSU tester will tell you straight off the bat if something is wrong.
If it is throw the power supply away and get a new one, it's not worth risking blowing more parts.

[samnwck]

Ok, I will pick up a PSU tester today. Also I have never had to go through a manufacturer to warranty computer parts. Would I blow my warranty if I mention I had these issues leading up to the failure or do you think they'd still take it?

[Cortexian]

Just tell them it stopped working and you have no idea why.

Once you identify the problematic component of course.

@Others: He mention power surges, those are usually not caused by the PSU, but by the electrical source. The PSU is likely what saved whatever components are left, but testing it can't hurt I suppose.

[samnwck]

Tested the PSU, all good, though it is difficult to tell if it is really the case because it was an intermittent issue. and at one point one while testing the PSU something began to smell very... Burny... But I quickly shut it off and was unable to replicate the event later...

At this point I suspect the easiest course of action would be to complain to ASUS (mobo) and Corsair (PSU) to try and warranty them out/have them test them for functionality and then go from there. Maybe complaining it's hurting my business will quicken the process of RMA'ing them.

[arbiter901]

Anyone's opinion on these?
I'm trying to keep a hot AMD FX 8350 as cool as possible for the already hot days here, while on a budget.

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Black-Gaming-Computer-CHALLENGER/dp/B003YVJJ5Y
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Contact-Heatpipes-RR-T4-18PK-R1/dp/B00BSKY1M4/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_i
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Bearing-Computer-Radiators/dp/B000O8JZIG

[Warsaw]

Giant HSF on motherboards has always bothered me. I like the closed-loop water cooling system I bought for my PC; idles a little high at 35, but under load it never breaches 50 and rarely goes above 47.

[Tnnaas]

I bought a Titan, am I cool now??

It's going on my G41 board with a Pentium 4.
But for reals, it'll be on my B85 board with an i5.

[InnerGoat]

Oh, ok.

[Dwood]

Anyone's opinion on these?
I'm trying to keep a hot AMD FX 8350 as cool as possible for the already hot days here, while on a budget.

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Black-Gaming-Computer-CHALLENGER/dp/B003YVJJ5Y
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Contact-Heatpipes-RR-T4-18PK-R1/dp/B00BSKY1M4/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_i
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Bearing-Computer-Radiators/dp/B000O8JZIG

Did you pick which HSF combo to go with? I got the Cooler Master with the 4 heatpipes on it. The CPU stays cold as ice.

[Dwood]

As a bit of a PSA announcement, if you're building a new computer, DDR 4 has an official launch date, and according to newegg crucial is the first stick brand to market. Obviously, it's really expensive right now but it does seem as DDR3 is on its way out.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%204811&IsNodeId=1&Description=DDR4%20ram&name=Pre-order&Order=BESTMATCH

[Bodzilla]

how good is the DDR4 comparatively?

I've been doing trial and error to solve my PC problem. the only thing is i've had to buy the parts to do it ;(.

Next stop is either mobo, Ram or CPU which basically means i gotta do a full upgrade sigh.

so is the DDR3 worth waiting for?

[Dwood]

According to the spec sheet DDR4's speed bottoms out right about where DDR3 tops out at, and consumes like half the power while allowing for 16 GB single sticks. It's hella expensive per stick right now though.

Other than that, I have yet to hear of any reviews. I assume arstechnica or techreport will have a benchmark for DDR4 as soon as it launches later this month.

[Zeph]

how good is the DDR4 comparatively?

I've been doing trial and error to solve my PC problem. the only thing is i've had to buy the parts to do it ;(.

Next stop is either mobo, Ram or CPU which basically means i gotta do a full upgrade sigh.

so is the DDR3 worth waiting for?
Bandwidth increases, but latency also increases for these launch modules. It's a good thing for servers looking for higher density.
As always with RAM transitions, don't buy new things just because of new memory. If the CPU/mobo that you're looking at has a DDR4 chipset, get DDR4. The theoretical higher clockspeeds are nice, but they aren't exactly here yet at what would be considered a decent latency.

[arbiter901]

I really hope this is the reason why AMD hasn't released a new desktop FX processor in quite a while (hopefully building a new architecture behind the scenes with strong single threaded performance, etc). If that's the case I'd expect them to wait a bit for the prices to come down, while further improving their new architecture (if there is any). Just hope they don't drop out of the CPU/APU market.

The only good thing about the APUs are their GPU and HSA (that doesn't seem to be going anywhere).

[Zeph]

I really hope this is the reason why AMD hasn't released a new desktop FX processor in quite a while (hopefully building a new architecture behind the scenes with strong single threaded performance, etc). If that's the case I'd expect them to wait a bit for the prices to come down, while further improving their new architecture (if there is any). Just hope they don't drop out of the CPU/APU market.

The only good thing about the APUs are their GPU and HSA (that doesn't seem to be going anywhere).
Nah, AMD just messed up. They made a good preforming chip, but it had a very high TDP and they didn't want to sell it with their FX line. They haven't released a new FX chip because the high TDP one greatly outpreformed what they've had.

[arbiter901]

Wouldn't that mean something new is in the works? I have a 8350 and it performs pretty good in heavily threaded tasks. It's the single threaded tasks that kinda suck. I would expect for them to atleast bring the APUs up to or very close to intel speeds.

[Dwood]

Wouldn't that mean something new is in the works? I have a 8350 and it performs pretty good in heavily threaded tasks. It's the single threaded tasks that kinda suck. I would expect for them to atleast bring the APUs up to or very close to intel speeds.

Yeah, as soon as the die size per chip gets reduced for AMD, which GlobalFoundries (who makes the chips) i'm sure a new chip would be released. I, too, am hoping on an amd enthusiast chip but as long as they can't get the die smaller, they're kinda stuck. If GF had a 24 nm architecture up and running i'm sure AMD would still be competitive with intel. I'd even expect that their APU's would kick intel's integrated trash.

[arbiter901]

AMDs APU intergrated graphics already kick intels intergrated junk. The faster the RAM in your system the faster the graphics on the APU will be.

[Cortexian]

On Intel's side we should see DDR4 with X99 launching soon™

[arbiter901]

I'd probably go Intel if AMD doesn't show signs of releasing another (improved) enthusiast CPU by mid next year. Or at least having more cores on their APUs with much improved IPC and a few other things. Right now it seems the latest APUs gpu takes up about 47% of the chips die.

Plus, if HSF takes off as AMD hopes it would then that combined with a couple strong cores could scare intel.

[arbiter901]

Sorry for the double post but I need an opinion.

Will I really benefit much from going Intel (not getting anything below a 4770k) compared to my current system? Or would I benefit more in spending my money on a much better GPU?

FX 8350 (OC'd pretty significantly on air)
8GB of 1600MHz RAM, OC'd to the max the system will allow (1866)
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev. 4
Gigabyte Geforce 750ti Windforce 2GB (doesn't draw power from just the PCI express interface like the original design)
750watt PSU

[Zeph]

Games are more GPU limited nowadays than anything else. Wait a month and nab a GTX 870.

[PopeAK49]

I'm just sitting here with my GTX 580. Man, I can't wait until I get to build my next computer.

[Tnnaas]

Parts list guys. I was thinking about waiting for some good X99 parts, but here's what I have so far. Tell me what you think? ;)

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=r5VYw4Cj

[Zeph]

Good idea on the video cards.

[InnerGoat]

not enough gpus imo. good luck playing console port with those gpus lmao

[Cortexian]

Even in a joke build, you're still a fool to buy an extreme edition CPU. Especially if water cooling. That's how overpriced and dumb they are.

[Dwood]

If anyone wants an r9 290 or full PC build, I'm trying to downsize my PC to be more portable. Will sell to you for bitcoin or cash. I don't trust paypal.

[Zeph]

If anyone wants an r9 290 or full PC build, I'm trying to downsize my PC to be more portable. Will sell to you for bitcoin or cash. I don't trust paypal.
Offering 100k Doge.

[InnerGoat]

that's like 16 dollars zeph lol

[Dwood]

Offering 100k Doge.

Lel

[Zeph]

that's like 16 dollars zeph lol
:( It used to be worth a 290

[Dwood]

R9 295 x2 going for a clean 999 - http://techreport.com/news/27014/radeon-r9-295-x2-gets-a-500-price-cut-to-999

If you want to game at 4k resolution.... You'd be an idiot not to get this card.

[Cortexian]

GeForce GTX 900 series comes out this month so yeah...

[Rentafence]

:( It used to be worth a 290

It's ok at least you didn't drop $1000 on doge like me.

[InnerGoat]

at least you didn't actually make money on it and then lose it all in mt.gox pwnage

[Dwood]

at least you didn't actually make money on it and then lose it all in mt.gox pwnage

You lost btc in mt gox? Poor soul.

[Bodzilla]

Righto boy's i'm cashed up, and i'm living the dream so it's time for a sick new puter.

I'm looking at the 4790k for a CPU however the brand new 5series has just came out, is it worth the wait? i wanna have something awesome up and running by christmas.
I'm also looking at doing an SLI setup by getting a second gigabyte 670, so i'd need a good motherboard and a good amount of ram to go with it. and i'm gunna go for 3 screen gaming

I stream from time to time as well, so would that have a big effect on waiting or not?

[Zeph]

I'd go ahead and get a 5 series processor for quad channel support. DDR4 is still at the beginnings of the speeds it can reach, but you can find some motherboards that support DDR4-3000 and CAS at that speed is starting to drop. If you're wanting to stream seriously, go nuts and get an Extreme Edition for those extra two cores.

[Cortexian]

Have had zero issues streaming even the most intensive games using OBS with my Hexacore. Don't think the Octacore Extreme Edition is worth the money personally. And this is coming from someone that bought two TITANs.

If you have the disposable income, definitely get the 5 series setup for DDR4 but I'd stay Hexacore because of previous comment unless you are 100% sure that something you use your PC for could utilize 8 cores/16 threads that much more than a 6/12 setup.

[InnerGoat]

I'm also looking at doing an SLI setup by getting a second gigabyte 670, so i'd need a good motherboard and a good amount of ram to go with it. and i'm gunna go for 3 screen gaming

I stream from time to time as well, so would that have a big effect on waiting or not?
Are those 2GB GTX 670s you plan to run? If so, you're going to run out of vram constantly when you run 3x screens [source: have 2GB GTX 670 in SLI ]

Replace that gpu with GTX 970 SLI or AMD 290 crossfire. The 290s are actually a really good deal with the price drops going under $250 each on sales.

[Bodzilla]

Heres a link to 2 different system builds i'm looking at
4790k Build (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BMM8zy)

5930k build (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7h2RCJ)

I already have one 4gb 760, so thats the main reason i was looking at another, because for bugger all i can get pretty good performance

[InnerGoat]

Sure SLI will give you good performance, but it is only as fast as one 970 with an overclock. Just keep that in mind because SLI doesn't always work with new games at launch, or outright unsupported. ┐(ﾟ∀ﾟ)┌

[Bodzilla]

so looking at that theres no major issues you guys can see for my setup?

[InnerGoat]

computer is computer and either one will run anything out there. the 6 core will just last a bit longer in games with good multithreading support

[STLRamsFan]

So I'm thinking of putting my macbook pro up for sale. We'll say I get about $400 for it and I'll be willing to put in an additional $200 in something.

Now I don't have a mouse, screen, or ANYTHING anymore due to my previous move and older computer dying. So, I'm wondering if I could get a laptop that'll be worth my while for that price (good graphics card, enough to play Halo and maybe some video editing for fun would be nice)? Or should I just say screw it and go with plan B and get each part of a computer one piece a time (trying to budget)?