So fucked up...

[Joshflighter]

These are the images they show:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/Joshflighter/05.jpg

These are the images they DON'T show:

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/Joshflighter/1.jpg
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/Joshflighter/2.jpg


http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/Joshflighter/3.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/Joshflighter/4.jpg

[Masterz1337]

yeah, internet sux.

[dark57]

Uh lol wut?

[Inferno]

I see 2 white blocks and 2 grey blocks...

[dark57]

I see 2 white blocks and 2 grey blocks...
i dont see the white ones.

[klange]

Screencap please, we can't see what you're linking to.
Is this Live Mail blocking some images, but not all? That's what I get from view-sourcing.

[Masterz1337]

Jeeze guys, wait till he fixes the pictures. You think he's not aware no one can see the images?

Edit: Damn your ninjapost Bacon.

[InnerGoat]

What. Just link to the page where the images are..

[klange]

What. Just link to the page where the images are..
They're in his email, all of the image links are ...mail.live.com...SafeRedirect... etc. Screencap is the best way to go.

[InnerGoat]

You can probably view it online like some email.. you never know :haw:

[Joshflighter]

Fixed

[dark57]

D: all i get are air softs and look at those kids... what like 6-13 years old and they get real ak-47's mp5's and m16's ........ wtf.

[Jean-Luc]

Ah, national news.

Honest, unbiased, factual. :haw:

[Rentafence]

Screwed up as it is, I kinda wanna see these kids in action

[NuggetWarmer]

@Dark

You don't get it, do you?

[dark57]

@Dark

You don't get it, do you?

Ya i do get it. Basically there showing the things that make them look nice and Innocent and dont show the things that make them look bad.

[Sel]

So the media is not giving the whole story, in an attempt to make us think differently about world events. This is nothing new. And unfortunately probably never will be.

[Heathen]

They show them helping the children at once, but in another instance they show them arming the children to get fucked up like in the first picture.

Thing is...what are our guys supposed to do? Seem like the bad guys and shoot up some 6-12 year olds or get shot up.

[blind]

Ya i do get it. Basically there showing the things that make them look nice and Innocent and dont show the things that make them look bad.
I don't think you do.

[Limited]

The top two are from the recent Gaza conflict, the others are library pictures, in other words not from this conflict.

The news does have to filter some things because any one can watch it day or night. They probably should show a bit of how the children are in the war.

[dark57]

I don't think you do.

Then please correct me.

[Phopojijo]

Yeah go figure, the media only telling the side of the story that'll bring in ratings.

It works that way for both sides.

[Masterz1337]

but wait, according to these forums,


ISRAELIS CALLING FOR THE HOLOCAUST OF THE PALESTINIANS. This has nothing to do with peace resolutions, etc, because the Israeli's don't want that.

[p0lar_bear]

63
That one bugs me the most.

"...Those guys actually belive that if they martyr themselves like that, there'll be 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise-"
"Well April Fools, dumbass! If there are virgins waiting for ya, it'll be 72 guys, just like you!" -Jeff Dunham & Walter

[Dwood]

but wait, according to these forums,


http://fc88.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/115/b/1/_by_doodleplex.gif


It's like Vietnam.

[Rob Oplawar]

jackie chan is awesome.

[SnaFuBAR]

but wait, according to these forums,
The fuck is your point? You getting heated now that the Israelis are getting highlighted for who they really are?

The difference, Palestine seeks to defend itself, and the Israelis want to wipe them out. Yeah, when you face such an enemy, who wouldn't encourage their children to take up the mentality of defense against an insidious, unrelenting enemy? It's like the ancient times, Rome and all it's neighbors.

The Israeli aggression has created this "enemy". All I see is something that is Israel's fault.

Great thread.

[Sel]

Who gives a flying fuck anymore, both sides are doing disgusting shit and both are blameworthy. There really isn't any point in taking sides, in a fight for second last in the dumbasses can not get along diplomatically awards.

[Joshflighter]

The fuck is your point? You getting heated now that the Israelis are getting highlighted for who they really are?

The difference, Palestine seeks to defend itself, and the Israelis want to wipe them out. Yeah, when you face such an enemy, who wouldn't encourage their children to take up the mentality of defense against an insidious, unrelenting enemy? It's like the ancient times, Rome and all it's neighbors.

The Israeli aggression has created this "enemy". All I see is something that is Israel's fault.

Great thread.


You sicken me. Really, you want to become a terrorist like the rest of the guys that think like you?

Israel didn't have an intent to wipe out a nation. On the other hand, palatinates seem to have been doing what CN has been saying. "Death to Israel"

But I guess to you, that is just defense. They just want their land back, nothing to do with the nation.

If you say yes, ur made of bullcrap.


Also, lets keep the thread with out a whole arguement like last time. Shall we?

[Bodzilla]

you can only defend yourself if the other person actually attacks.
therefore Israel has been the aggressor and has stemmed all this shit. Havn't we already established all of this? multiple times.

and calling someone a terrorist is subjective. Pretty fucking low blow to label snaf that way.

[Sel]

One man's terrorist, another man's freedom fighter.

[SnaFuBAR]

You sicken me. Really, you want to become a terrorist like the rest of the guys that think like you?

Nice blanket statement, you sardonic fucking asshole.

Israel didn't have an intent to wipe out a nation. On the other hand, palatinates seem to have been doing what CN has been saying. "Death to Israel"

Israel exceeded the landgrab allowed by the UN in their war of independence, and, to this day, continue to impose themselves on the bits of land Palestinians control. They continuously shell and raid refugee camps, etc.

What RIGHT does Israel have to exist? Because of WW2 and Hitler's Germany and the holocaust? Because back in the biblical ages they had a small settlement there? Was it right to destroy a people's spirit, prosperity, strength, peace and well-being for the Jewish state of Israel?

Israel has no right to exist.

But I guess to you, that is just defense. They just want their land back, nothing to do with the nation.

Yes, the nation, and the government controlling it and making aggression against Palestinians and their land since the decade of its creation. They want their land, their prosperity and their peace, and the Israeli government and military.

If you say yes, ur made of bullcrap.

Your head is filled with bullshit.

Also, lets keep the thread with out a whole arguement like last time. Shall we?

Get fucked.
.

[Joshflighter]

you can only defend yourself if the other person actually attacks.
therefore Israel has been the aggressor and has stemmed all this shit. Havn't we already established all of this? multiple times.

and calling someone a terrorist is subjective. Pretty fucking low blow to label snaf that way.


Orly?

Israel wasn't harassing the palatines were they? No.

Also to sel, ones man fight is another mans freedom.

Not: Ones man killings and blowing up other people, is another mans freedom.

That's just morally fucked.

[SnaFuBAR]

Not: Ones man killings and blowing up other people, is another mans freedom.

That's just morally fucked.
Oh so Israel justifying it's attacks with sovereignty and security and freedom is fucked.

[Sel]

Not: Ones man killings and blowing up other people, is another mans freedom.

That's just morally fucked.

Go watch V for Vendetta, great movie perfectly emphasizing my point.

[Joshflighter]

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Wow, don't be an ass about it snaf. Ur acting like a fuck right now.

You are saying that America shouldnt exist? Just because they took it over from the natives? Then no one should exist.

Don't tell me shit about how people are fucked over from Israel. I pretty much see it the other way around. Seems that the biased opinion of the palatines got to their head. Tell, me.. is that the only place they are allowed to live? Do they not have huge land or not? Also, Israel even gave them fucking land. They are whiners and complainers. Those pics at the front of my page show what they really believe in. There is no piece.

One last thing.. Thinking a nation should exist, is on the most fucked up things I have heard. Jewish people don't say: Muslims should exist.



You have already been proven wrong about the right for Israel to exist in that long thread a few days ago. Go re-read it if you feel like arguing.

[Masterz1337]

Actually in the last thread it was discovered that Israel did not break the cease fire.

[mech]

Palatines :tinfoil: ? Typo right?

[SnaFuBAR]

Sir, you likened me to a terrorist, therefore showing your true colors and opinions. Your voice on the matter is uneducated and null.

[Joshflighter]

Sir, you likened me to a terrorist, therefore showing your true colors and opinions. Your voice on the matter is uneducated and null.

Wipping a people off the map cause you think they shouldn't be there.. is not a sort of act of terrorism?

[TeeKup]

Following the end of world war 2 the leading powers sought to create a nation for the Jewish people as means of forgiveness. Over 6 million people died in the Holocaust and the majority of them were jewish people. The UN essentially stole that land from the surrounding islamic nations in order to quell the bickering. Millions of jewish people died for no good reason, they weren't going to sit by and just accept an apology.

We had no right to take that land from the Arab people, Israel had no right to expand its borders after the limit set by the UN. (Wasn't like we could do anything, we were just in a World War). Israel has NO RIGHT to caste war on ANY surrounding nations or people.

Why?

Because the state has no right to exist.

[Masterz1337]

Israel exceeded the landgrab allowed by the UN in their war of independence, and, to this day, continue to impose themselves on the bits of land Palestinians control. They continuously shell and raid refugee camps, etc.

What RIGHT does Israel have to exist? Because of WW2 and Hitler's Germany and the holocaust? Because back in the biblical ages they had a small settlement there? Was it right to destroy a people's spirit, prosperity, strength, peace and well-being for the Jewish state of Israel?

Israel has no right to exist.
Israel gained the land durring the 6 days war, when the neighboring nations intentionally diverted their water supply. They didn't start a war to gain new land.

Also, to say they don't deserve to exist, you open the doors to debate why any country created after WW2 has a right to exist. The difference between Israel and all those other countries was that the newly created countries and their neighbors learned to co-exist, while in Israel all the neighboring nations were aggressors.

[Masterz1337]

The difference, Palestine seeks to defend itself, and the Israelis want to wipe them out. Yeah, when you face such an enemy, who wouldn't encourage their children to take up the mentality of defense against an insidious, unrelenting enemy? It's like the ancient times, Rome and all it's neighbors.


So you're ok with parents teaching their children it's alright to strap bombs to their chests to attack civilians? Defense and training your children to be suicide bomber terrorists is a totally different thing. If you have no problem with the Palestinians giving the children weapons then you shouldn't have a problem with Israels shooting and bombing them.

[SnaFuBAR]

Wipping a people off the map cause you think they shouldn't be there.. is not a sort of act of terrorism?
Who said that? Iranian president didn't, unless you missed the news that that was a horrible horrible misquote.

[SnaFuBAR]

So you're ok with parents teaching their children it's alright to strap bombs to their chests to attack civilians? Defense and training your children to be suicide bomber terrorists is a totally different thing. If you have no problem with the Palestinians giving the children weapons then you shouldn't have a problem with Israels shooting and bombing them.
Desperate people doing all they can to inflict harm on the aggressors. It's called "asymmetric warfare". You should look that up. FYI, if you look closer at the photos, they're toy guns (hence the orange tips and being made of fucking plastic).

[Sel]

Cool I get to make another post about why the fuck does it matter, both countries have been at each other's throats for a while now and have done various unacceptable acts to one another. Everyone is trying to pin blame on one of them, but they're both to blame, so why the fuck does it matter whose right here and whose wrong?

Both sides are to blame for this war, and quite frankly I don't give a flying shit who started it, quite easily because it does not fucking matter. The end result is a war, and both sides have been trying to push the other into it for quite a while, it was only a matter of time until one side got pissed enough to start a shitstorm.

These bullshit wars should be left in video games where it's all in good fun.

[Masterz1337]

That kid doesn't have toy explosives hooked to his belt does he?

If you think it's acceptable to use these tactics, well then you should also find any tactics to combat it as legit as well. If you're going to kick bellow the belt it's no incentive for the other side to fight with morals either.

[SnaFuBAR]

Conventional military forces are bound by international rules of combat and engagement, such as the IDF (though they commit numerous war crimes and never are brought to answer). Perhaps if the Palestinian children were actually blowing themselves up on Israeli busses, I'd care. Truth is, it's not the kids, it's the adults.

If you're so disgusted by this, are you disgusted by Israelis shelling with white phosphorous inside civilian centers, breaking international law in the process?

The kids with toy guns and such is political saber rattling, it is defiance, it is signaling that they have been driven to such extremes. I'm more concerned that their living condition is so bad that they have to resort to such senselessness. What's to say that those are not mock bombs strapped to the teen for that demonstration?

Since when has Israel ever fought with morality?

[p0lar_bear]

Following the end of world war 2 the leading powers sought to create a nation for the Jewish people as means of forgiveness. Over 6 million people died in the Holocaust and the majority of them were jewish people. The UN essentially stole that land from the surrounding islamic nations in order to quell the bickering. Millions of jewish people died for no good reason, they weren't going to sit by and just accept an apology.

We had no right to take that land from the Arab people, Israel had no right to expand its borders after the limit set by the UN. (Wasn't like we could do anything, we were just in a World War). Israel has NO RIGHT to caste war on ANY surrounding nations or people.

Why?

Because the state has no right to exist.

^THIS.

This is the point you're all missing. We're not saying that we think that Palestinians going jihad and teaching their kids how to do war is cool, awesome, or even right.

The Jewish community was lucky as hell and should have been damn grateful that the U.N. YANKED the Arabian land from then current owners and gave it to them.

Let's try something a little more close to home, shall we?

You decide to come back to check on your childhood home, and perhaps move back into it if it's unoccupied, after living your life for a while. Your parents moved out a while ago, and it's been knocked down and taken over by two houses with yards expanding into whre your house was. You head to city hall and demand that you get that land back since your family's lived there for generations, and have the documents to prove it. The mayor reluctantly agrees, and gives you the land back. The house is rebuilt, and you're happy for a time.

The house on your left runs a daycare center, and the loud, rowdy kids disrupt your work constantly during the day. The house to your right is literally party central, and host rowdy parties all night right up until the time defined by law where you have to quell the noise or face the consequences.

You talk to your neightbors ever few days and ask them to bring it down a notch. They can't; it's their set lifestyle and livelihood; to tell them to stop is essentially firing them from life. Since your talks don't do anything, they keep up, and your stress level goes up and up. Eventually you can't take it anymore and call the local housing authority to report your neighbors in hopes of getting them moved out.

In this scenario, who is right?

[Donut]

That kid doesn't have toy explosives hooked to his belt does he?

If you think it's acceptable to use these tactics, well then you should also find any tactics to combat it as legit as well. If you're going to kick bellow the belt it's no intensive for the other side to fight with morals either.
do you mean incentive, or am i learning a new use for intensive?

[Donut]

Let's try something a little more close to home, shall we?

You decide to come back to check on your childhood home, and perhaps move back into it if it's unoccupied, after living your life for a while. Your parents moved out a while ago, and it's been knocked down and taken over by two houses with yards expanding into whre your house was. You head to city hall and demand that you get that land back since your family's lived there for generations, and have the documents to prove it. The mayor reluctantly agrees, and gives you the land back. The house is rebuilt, and you're happy for a time.

The house on your left runs a daycare center, and the loud, rowdy kids disrupt your work constantly during the day. The house to your right is literally party central, and host rowdy parties all night right up until the time defined by law where you have to quell the noise or face the consequences.

You talk to your neightbors ever few days and ask them to bring it down a notch. They can't; it's their set lifestyle and livelihood; to tell them to stop is essentially firing them from life. Since your talks don't do anything, they keep up, and your stress level goes up and up. Eventually you can't take it anymore and call the local housing authority to report your neighbors in hopes of getting them moved out.

In this scenario, who is right?
spoiler'ed for length
i didnt really understand the situation until now. thanks for clearing it up

[SnaFuBAR]

Uh, Polar, the house isn't abandoned, it's been lived in and become something better by the current occupants, and you demand their eviction and hand over of the deeds to the property, and then you fence in your neighbor's yards with your own. When the city says give back the yard, you do it, but maintain an armed presence outside his door and sign for his ups packages and federal mail.

[KiLLa]

Wipping a people off the map cause you think they shouldn't be there.. is not a sort of act of terrorism?
Isn't that what the US does?
Isn't america founded on bullying any country around we feel isn't doing things right?
There's NO right side in any kind of war, or conflict.
Anyone who sides with any side, is just fueling the hatred and ignorance that war is founded on.
Killing because conflict of beliefs, morals, lifestyles, or what you feel is rightfully yours.. will always in my book be, arrgoant, retarded, and pointless.
But then again that's pretty much a brief discription of humanity...lawl
No body owns the earth, and that's just how it is.
This retarded never ending battle for land, and power has been going on since for fucking ever..
Can we say crusades?

[Masterz1337]

Conventional military forces are bound by international rules of combat and engagement, such as the IDF (though they commit numerous war crimes and never are brought to answer). Perhaps if the Palestinian children were actually blowing themselves up on Israeli busses, I'd care. Truth is, it's not the kids, it's the adults.

If you're so disgusted by this, are you disgusted by Israelis shelling with white phosphorous inside civilian centers, breaking international law in the process?

The kids with toy guns and such is political saber rattling, it is defiance, it is signaling that they have been driven to such extremes. I'm more concerned that their living condition is so bad that they have to resort to such senselessness. What's to say that those are not mock bombs strapped to the teen for that demonstration?

Since when has Israel ever fought with morality?

I'm disgusted at both sides. What I'm also disgusted at is the perception that the Palestinians seem to be perceived as an innocent people who have been oppressed by genocidal regime, because that is simply not the case. Isreal is defiantly a country with a fucked up strategy on how to wage a war, but I see people hear using propaganda to justify the initial attacks on Israeli civilians.

[jngrow]

There's NO right side in any kind of war, or conflict.


This is completely untrue.

[CN3089]

There's NO right side in any kind of war, or conflict.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-godwin.gif

Actually in the last thread it was discovered that Israel did not break the cease fire.
they did, also,

death to israel

[Donut]

not COMPLETELY untrue, disputes over land, government etc. that arise between two civilized countries could be... um... equal, for lack of better words
i wish i could think of a decent example, but i dont know the details of any wars that fit this example

[jngrow]

Saying there is absolutely NO right side in any conflict is completely untrue. If he said most of the time, then it would in fact be true.

[Masterz1337]

they did, also,



http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13786&page=4
Post 159 downwards. We already discussed this.

[Phopojijo]

I'm disgusted at both sides. What I'm also disgusted at is the perception that the Palestinians seem to be perceived as an innocent people who have been oppressed by genocidal regime, because that is simply not the case. Isreal is defiantly a country with a fucked up strategy on how to wage a war, but I see people hear using propaganda to justify the initial attacks on Israeli civilians.Uhm... no... no I don't justify attacks on Israelis.

I'm just pointing out that there's a big f'ckin problem... and most people seem to side with Israel because the only news they get of Palestine is when one of them blew themselves up at a Coffee shop.

Most people don't realize the problems that led up to it.

Stating Israel is screwed up and is not innocent is not the same as stating I agree with everything Palestine does.

Israel and Palestine both have serious issues... however... they both have serious issues.

[Masterz1337]

The post wasn't directed towards you phopo.

[ExAm]

So the media is not giving the whole story, in an attempt to make us think differently about world events. This is nothing new. And unfortunately probably never will be.
This does not mean that these kids deserve what's coming to them right now.

[Sel]

This does not mean that these kids deserve what's coming to them right now.

Never said it did.

[Dwood]

Never said it did.

He's simply stating the ironies.

[KiLLa]

Saying there is absolutely NO right side in any conflict is completely untrue. If he said most of the time, then it would in fact be true.
o rly?
The fact of the matter is, it's all in your perspective. You may think it's right, but the people your MURDERING, I'm pretty sure don't.
That's the bottom line. Until we learn to see things from BOTH sides of the fence, sensless killing, will continue to happen, and history will repeat over and over and over...
How long has this battle for land and power been going on?
Uh, as far back as history books can record.
THERE IS NO RIGHT SIDE, there's just YOUR perspective, that doesn't make ANYONE right.

[jngrow]

You said any war or conflict... Conflict..
Ever heard of Civil Rights (conflict, where yes, people died)? Or any other time an innocent country was being invaded (not applying that to here) and defended themselves?

[KiLLa]

and then?
There's no right side. Did you even read my post?
It's all a matter of persective..the invaders thought they were right in invading, with whatever fucked logic, and the invadee's thought they were right in defending themselfs.
Now you understand the logic that no ones right?

[jngrow]

and then?
There's no right side. Did you even read my post?
It's all a matter of persective..the invaders thought they were right in invading, with whatever fucked logic, and the invadee's thought they were right in defending themselfs.
Now you understand the logic that no ones right?

It's pretty obvious who is right here, you yourself called one side having "fucked logic". The point you are making is a semantic one, and of course when you put it that way nobody is right. Or, you could look at generally accepted human beliefs and ideals about what is right and wrong (it varies quite a bit, but quite a few things are pretty damn universal), and look at a situation from the perspective of the rest of the world (while it is most of the time conflicted, there have been instances where opinion on something is pretty universal).

But when you kept saying YOUR perspective, in a response to one of MY quotes, I thought you were directly addressing me.

[CN3089]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13786&page=4
Post 159 downwards. We already discussed this.
And you were wrong soooo

[KiLLa]

But you see, their logic is fucked from MY perspective ;)
My point is, if 1000 people call me a zebra, I'm still not a zebra.
So if there's a "universal" opinion that makes something right, doesn't mean it's right.
There is no right or wrong in war, or conflicts. There's death, and rightous power, one both sides.
That's all there is to it.

[jngrow]

Ok, now you are getting on the topic of reality and metaphysics, with the Zebra thing, like 2 + 2 = 5. I could argue that "Yes, you are, you are a Zebra that suffers from a mental illness and thinks he is a human. You created those false memories of friends and family." If everyone else in the world agreed with me, what is the truth?

I get what you are saying, but when you add the whole "only death, suffering" stuff at the end it sounds like you are saying the right and wrong don't even exist. I get it, good and evil, right and wrong are relative, it depends on perspective and who you ask.

[CN3089]

There is no right or wrong in war, or conflicts.

alright I sort of implied it in my last post but are you saying the nazis weren't wrong or what dude

[Joshflighter]

alright I sort of implied it in my last post but are you saying the nazis weren't wrong or what dude


Same thing goes for terrorists.

EDIT: You know why I think ur fucked CN? You believe killing is OK as long it has a reason.

No on has a right to take a life of anyone. I dont care if someone called you a f word, you simple dont take his life. But some people on this planet dont believe in that.

[SnaFuBAR]

And you were wrong soooo
Yeah... all the links provided show are an Israeli representative (yeah that's not skewed at all) with him lying that there has been no Israeli presence in Gaza since the last pullout, and the other link showed Hamas stating that Israel never abided by terms of the cease fire, such as easing restrictions on humanitarian aide.

[CN3089]

No on has a right to take a life of anyone.

look how dumb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot) you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin) are (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler)

[Joshflighter]

look how dumb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot) you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin) are (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler)

Hurr, I typed to fast. I mean:

No one has a right to take anyone elses life.


This is going in circles. Clearly Snaf wont change his mind, and we wont. CN really though, you should get a hobby. We dont want to see you become a terrorist.