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Bodzilla
January 22nd, 2009, 02:02 AM
VERY IMPORTANT: READ EVERYTHING IN THIS POST.


Detailed in this post is extremely important regarding your PC's security. Recently, a very potent, and malicious worm [a type of virus] has been discovered. This worm goes by several aliases, including Downadup, Conficker, or Kido; most commonly known as Downadup or Conficker.

This isn't your typical virus or worm. It can mask itself as anything it sees fit, and can go directly into Root directories. Method of infection can be anything from an infected file you downloaded such as a WMV or MP3, or as sinister as plugging in your USB drive (if it was infected from a public location like the library or school/work) and Windows auto running the device. Disabling AUTO RUN is not effective in stopping Downadup.

You ARE AT RISK if you use Windows XP or Windows Vista, especially if you do not have Auto Updates on, or update frequently via manual updating. Downadup can mask itself and you may not even know you are infected. Once it infiltrates your system, it will edit your Windows Registry. After this is completed, the worm begins to override your firewall settings, allowing it to download malware from any number of hosts. This malware will only increase the damage to the PC. However, the creators of Downadup have yet to activate the second stage of the worm. Once they do, Downadup will do one of two things:

1). It will retrieve all your confidential files, personal information, passwords (online banking especially), and logins and send them to any numbers of hosts.

2). It will combine your PC into its botnet and attempt to hack (by brute force) anything it is targeted to. This is the fear of the Department of Homeland Security. With the current infection rate, it has the capability of hacking some of the most important data centers in the country if given the chance and enough time.

This worm is now being monitored by US-CERT as well as the FBI Cyber Crimes unit. They have moved this into a possible cyberterror attack, and they are quite serious about it. According to newly released figures, 1 in every 16 Windows XP/Vista PCs are infected with Downadup.

If you are not concerned about this virus, and do not take efforts to mitigate your risk of infection or to remove the worm if you are already infected, you may not only endanger your PC, but many others. The virus has a very advanced code, and can "mutate" to adapt to threats and increase its potency. The worm will spread from your PC to your friends, and it has a very high potential to destroy your life, enjoyment, and safety on the internet.

Here is information taken directly from Symantec regarding the method of infection of the worm (thanks to Symantec for the info):

http://www.symantec.com/security_res...408-99&tabid=2 (http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2008-112203-2408-99&tabid=2)

(the threat level is listed as low, because the article is dated from November when the first variations of the worm were spotted. Do not be fooled, it is not a minor threat anymore)

How can you stop this worm from affecting you? Good question, and here are the best methods.

Update your Windows install immediately. Do it manually. The worm actually disables Auto Updates, so, this will prevent reinfection.
Update your Anti Virus software, and be sure you are using a good antiviral software. Do this manually as well.
Run a FULL SYSTEM SCAN on your PC after updating your Anti Virus software library.
Disable System Restore (Windows XP users)
[U]To do this follow these steps:



Click Start, right-click My Computer, and then click Properties.
In the System Properties dialog box, click the System Restore tab.
Click to select the Turn off System Restore check box. Or, click to select the Turn off System Restore on all drives check box.
Click OK.
When you receive the following message, click Yes to confirm that you want to turn off System Restore:You have chosen to turn off System Restore. If you continue, all existing restore points will be deleted, and you will not be able to track or undo changes to your computer.

Do you want to turn off System Restore?
After a few moments, the System Properties dialog box closes.

You can also check your registry for the worm's entries:



Click Start > Run.
Type regedit
Click OK.
Navigate to and delete the following registry entry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\netsvcs\Parameters\"ServiceDll" = "[PATH OF WORM EXECUTABLE]"


Exit the Registry Editor


Just because you do not have the registry key above, doesn't mean you are not infected. Keep that in mind. It may just not have reached that stage yet. You still need to do a FULL DEEP SCAN of your computer, including all your hard drives and your USB media.F-Secure has developed a tool to remove Downadup, but the above should also be used in conjunction with the tool. There is no one thing that makes you secure. It is using your logic, a good software suite, and even a router firewall to protect yourself.

HERE IS THE REMOVAL TOOL FROM F-SECURE (http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001588.html)

For additional reading see these articles or Google search "Downadup" or "Conficker":

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...ry_16_pcs.html (http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/158085/downadup_worm_eats_into_1_of_every_16_pcs.html)

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9126478 (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9126478)


We at Guild Wars Guru take your PC security seriously, and this warning is not intended to scare you, but make you knowledgeable about a very serious situation. I am taking personal responsibility to inform as many guru users of this threat as possible. I would encourage you to inform your family and friends of this threat, and to direct them in testing and removing if necessary, Downadup from their systems and home networks.got linked to this from another forum, anyone else heard about this? is it a real threat or not?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4459541&postcount=1

E: Seems legit.

ExAm
January 22nd, 2009, 02:38 AM
Well, I checked my registry, I don't even have a netsvcs directory there, so I'm clean. Cool.

I'm glad I only download from trusted sites :v:

E: I need to l2readpostthoroughly
*deep scans computer*

SnaFuBAR
January 22nd, 2009, 02:59 AM
i guess it's a good thing i just bought new antivirus today @_@

ExAm
January 22nd, 2009, 03:05 AM
F-Downadup found nothing on my machine. Cool.

Bodzilla
January 22nd, 2009, 03:50 AM
dammit.

looks like no Porn for me tonight >_<

ExAm
January 22nd, 2009, 05:07 AM
FYI this virus appeared in '08. If you're not infected now, chances are you're doing everything right so far :v:

Bodzilla
January 22nd, 2009, 05:13 AM
really?

Porn it is then.

The articles are all recent though? you come across this already?

E: Discovered: November 21, 2008

i c.

Rook
January 22nd, 2009, 05:57 AM
Damn, hope everyone here keeps up regular maintenance on their computers... and tbh if my PC became infected with something like this I'd be so paranoid that I would have to reformat.

Sel
January 22nd, 2009, 07:21 AM
E: Discovered: November 21, 2008

i c.

That's still pretty recent :S

e: However, the worm only really took off about a week ago (https://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9125737) as newer variations struck users and resulted in millions of infections.

Bodzilla
January 22nd, 2009, 07:23 AM
not for a viris.
it's 2 months old, If this was such a Massive problem that infected 1 - 16 computers WORLD WIDE do you really think they'd still wouldnt have figured it out and had all the base's covered with Anti-virus protection?

Sel
January 22nd, 2009, 07:35 AM
not for a viris.
it's 2 months old, If this was such a Massive problem that infected 1 - 16 computers WORLD WIDE do you really think they'd still wouldnt have figured it out and had all the base's covered with Anti-virus protection?

Correction, the first version is 2 months old. The article says that newer variations started causing massive attacks a week ago :S

Donut
January 22nd, 2009, 01:01 PM
so hey, im turning my internet off :U

ExAm
January 22nd, 2009, 05:46 PM
I think everybody's taking this way too seriously. All you need is the latest windows update, and to remove the worm if you are infected :|

Limited
January 22nd, 2009, 05:49 PM
Pfft, Windows released a patch, I patched this 4 days ago.

Reaper Man
January 22nd, 2009, 07:54 PM
so hey, im turning my internet off :U
And nothing of value was lost :v:

MetKiller Joe
January 22nd, 2009, 08:07 PM
And nothing of value was lost :v:

QFT.


Also, just ran AVG (updated it first). Nothing.

Then an hour ago it caught something incoming and deleted it. I'm going to take a wild guess and say people are overreacting.

DrunkenSamus
January 22nd, 2009, 09:20 PM
This is not going to affect my life in any way I see.....what an effing waste of time reading that post, gosh. :downs:

Donut
January 23rd, 2009, 04:20 PM
And nothing of value was lost :v:
:(

Phopojijo
January 23rd, 2009, 04:22 PM
Pfft, Windows released a patch, I patched this 4 days ago.Yeah, according to "Security Now!" netcast... the patch for this was back in October.

Yeah... October.

Limited
January 23rd, 2009, 09:00 PM
Yeah, according to "Security Now!" netcast... the patch for this was back in October.

Yeah... October.
Yeah it was released in October, however back then it wasnt as wide spread. Its literally exploded within a few days.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-067.mspx
^ Link to patch

Llama Juice
January 24th, 2009, 02:14 PM
*looks at my macbook pro*

Am I safe? haha

Syuusuke
January 24th, 2009, 02:47 PM
*also looks at my macbook pro*

I guess we are.

*looks at Asus laptop*

Hey we are safe!

I thought this was a dumb hoax, but I remember some of my friends getting some variant of this...pretty nasty.

Phopojijo
January 24th, 2009, 03:42 PM
*looks at my macbook pro*

Am I safe? haha
No.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212902080&cid=iwhome_art_Macin_mostpop

:p

Though to be fair if you run Vista... the virus would need to brute-force your password on your PC. It's very secure... fundamentally it's pretty Unix-worth.

Btw -- that's why you REALLY need have a good password on your PC. If something wants to remotely access your PC... it needs your password. In fact, this specific worm attempts to brute-force attack your network password.

Needles
January 24th, 2009, 04:17 PM
It's a good thing my free version of mcAffe removes tojans instantly. I think I may have almost got that virus when trying to find and infinite ammo cheat for dead space (that was over a week ago, I think I'm fine). How long does it usually take? I got something strangely named (can't remember), and I remember it having .32 at the end. I think it was removed, but could it bypass the removal?

Also:

Origin of name

The name is a German hacker pun, meaning "program that manipulates the configuration", consisting of the abbreviation con for configuration and the nominalized form of the German verb ficken which is a German verb for sexual intercourse.

From wikipedia, lol.

Phopojijo
January 24th, 2009, 04:49 PM
Ohhhkay.

1) How long does it take?

To what? Install itself, instantly... be noticed? Ideally a good virus would never be noticed. And these viruses are more and more frequently being developed by corporations with Research and Development Budgets... seriously.

2) Could it bypass the removal?

That's a loaded question. Could it bypass the removal if the Antivirus successfully removes it? No. However

A) Was it alone?
B) Did it identify the virus correctly?
C) Did the virus open up security holes in your computer for other viruses by the same author?
D) Did the virus unpatch your system?
E) Did the virus cause damage to core system files?
F) Did the virus move to other computers in your network.
G) Did the virus corrupt Windows to identify itself as the root administrator... using Windows' built in security features to lock YOU out of finding it (let alone removing it).
H) You can see this list build...

3) Good thing McAfee removes trojans instantly...

Yeah it tries... credit for that I guess... but once you think you get an infection -- if you have a need to keep your PC 100% virus free... you need to format and reinstall Windows. Reasons are above.

Needles
January 24th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Ohhhkay.

1) How long does it take?

To what? Install itself, instantly... be noticed? Ideally a good virus would never be noticed. And these viruses are more and more frequently being developed by corporations with Research and Development Budgets... seriously.

2) Could it bypass the removal?

That's a loaded question. Could it bypass the removal if the Antivirus successfully removes it? No. However

A) Was it alone?
B) Did it identify the virus correctly?
C) Did the virus open up security holes in your computer for other viruses by the same author?
D) Did the virus unpatch your system?
E) Did the virus cause damage to core system files?
F) Did the virus move to other computers in your network.
G) Did the virus corrupt Windows to identify itself as the root administrator... using Windows' built in security features to lock YOU out of finding it (let alone removing it).
H) You can see this list build...

3) Good thing McAfee removes trojans instantly...

Yeah it tries... credit for that I guess... but once you think you get an infection -- if you have a need to keep your PC 100% virus free... you need to format and reinstall Windows. Reasons are above.

I guess it was removed. Near 1 and 1/2 weeks with no effects.

Llama Juice
January 24th, 2009, 07:27 PM
No.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212902080&cid=iwhome_art_Macin_mostpop

Psh, I have iLife'08 I dun care about '09.

Interesting though.

Phopojijo
January 24th, 2009, 10:57 PM
I guess it was removed. Near 1 and 1/2 weeks with no effects.Uhm... no.

If it is a virus, and it's hush... that's the most dangerous type.

Jelly
January 25th, 2009, 04:31 AM
Uhm... no.

If it is a virus, and it's hush... that's the most dangerous type.
He obviously hasn't lost any personal details or passwords, so I'm inclined to believe he isn't actually infected.

Llama Juice
January 25th, 2009, 06:00 AM
define "lost"

It's not like a car... it doesn't have to take it from you entirely... digital stuff is copyable brother.

Needles
January 25th, 2009, 11:25 AM
Uhm... no.

If it is a virus, and it's hush... that's the most dangerous type.
A trojan virus. It popped up 3 times (the same one), but I did click on remove.

Phopojijo
January 25th, 2009, 12:06 PM
A trojan virus. It popped up 3 times (the same one), but I did click on remove.Doesn't mean anything.

Yeah you're probably clean but... probably is not definitely. In fact, you can never say definitely unless you install Windows from a trusted source and have everything properly locked down.

ExAm
January 25th, 2009, 03:47 PM
So what if crap's left behind? Tiny, benign pieces, what's the big deal?

Phopojijo
January 25th, 2009, 10:12 PM
So what if crap's left behind? Tiny, benign pieces, what's the big deal?
1) Programs could fail to respond/crash if part of Windows is broken.
2) Updates to Windows could brick it (if it partially updates a broken file)
3) You could open yourself up to new infections.
4) You're not sure if they are benign.

etc etc etc.

If viruses aren't a big deal to you though... then that's fine. However -- if they are... only way to get rid of them for sure is to wipe Windows and reinstall. (Your DOCs, MP3s, etc are fine).

ExAm
January 26th, 2009, 12:10 AM
Well, I'm not one to wipe my drive and spend hours and hours installing every last bit of software I have, some of which I have deleted the installers for. And I have a lot of software. There needs to be a way to back up your already installed programs. Some way to copy over the program files folder and restore the registry entries, because wiping and reinstalling is utter bullshit.

Phopojijo
January 26th, 2009, 08:33 AM
There is.

You can take a harddrive snapshot of the drive and restore from it.

The problem is you would need to have made the image *before* you got the virus.

Because, you see -- if you restore your registry and program files... you restore the virus.

If you don't have a backup before you got infected... you either got to:

A) Take your chances that you aren't still infected.
B) Work with a virus and hope it's not too obtrusive.
C) Wipe your drive and live with not having a good enough backup solution.

Living with a virus isn't too bad... the majority of people don't know they have it (which is the problem). However, I wouldn't trust putting passwords for like -- online banking on it... and you may get spurts of lag if the virus (should it still exist) tries to self-replicate or be part of a botnet and DDoS some poor sap.

P.S. -- Windows System Restore images can also be infected, so that doesn't count as a backup method. Windows System Restore is mostly designed if something breaks and you need to go back to a fixed state. If your system is infected with a virus... it's not broken... it's working exactly as intended ... ... unfortunately. (Unless the virus was buggy or your AV software/you damaged some system files trying to remove it)

ExAm
January 26th, 2009, 04:13 PM
I'm not talking about restoring the whole registry, just the entries for the programs I select to be restored from my program files. The virus can't be in every one of my legitimate installs, now can it?

Phopojijo
January 26th, 2009, 04:22 PM
I'm not talking about restoring the whole registry, just the entries for the programs I select to be restored from my program files. The virus can't be in every one of my legitimate installs, now can it?Well no, but you'd spend more time trying to find out each and every registry key each and every program installed... as well as each and every library file it installed into System32 or similar directories... etc.

You'd literally need to open up the installer program to see what it exactly does. (If possible? Never did it). At that point you'd already have the installer :-\

Of course it's easier on Linux where just about everything is self-contained in the application's folder... however that has other usability issues.