I Should totally buy this, but I want your opinion

[RobertGraham]

^Pretty much stated.

I want to get this: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini

Its pretty powerful for a Mac Mini [Don't worry, I will install windows :rolleyes:] and its Graphics aren't bad and its processor is alright, better then this shitty 1.6GHz processor I have right now and this shitty Integrated Intel chip. It has 2 GB RAM, which is better then this 1GB system I am using. Other then that, I want your opinion.

Is it worth getting?

P.S. It saves electricity, OH BOY! :awesome:

[InnerGoat]

The specs are crap for an 800 dollar box. You can get better gaming laptops for that price if you look around.

[RobertGraham]

Or, should I get this?
Mac Book 2.4GHz (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook)

[Mr Buckshot]

All Macs are overpriced, avoid them unless you genuinely want the Mac Operating System and hate Windows. Otherwise, you can build your own Windows desktop for a fraction of the price, or buy a Windows laptop for half the price of the Macbook Pro. With the same performance too, might I add.

[Xetsuei]

Lol, macs.

[Rook]

Hehe... go with windows my man, your wallet will love you.

[Terin]

^Pretty much stated.

I want to get this: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini

Its pretty powerful for a Mac Mini [Don't worry, I will install windows :rolleyes:] and its Graphics aren't bad and its processor is alright, better then this shitty 1.6GHz processor I have right now and this shitty Integrated Intel chip. It has 2 GB RAM, which is better then this 1GB system I am using. Other then that, I want your opinion.

Is it worth getting?

P.S. It saves electricity, OH BOY! :awesome:I built a computer that easily outclasses it for $200. Don't do it.

[Amit]

Build a good PC and use windows. Then, buy Leopard and use haxx to install it.

[RobertGraham]

Build a good PC and use windows. Then, buy Leopard and use haxx to install it.If it comes to that, I will not get an Intel board. Mac OS X doesn't support Intel products

[Cortexian]

Mac OS X doesn't support Intel products
Nvidia chipsets > Intel chipsets. So it doesn't really matter.

[ThePlague]

Lol, macs.
This.

All Macs are overpriced, avoid them unless you genuinely want the Mac Operating System and hate Windows. Otherwise, you can build your own Windows desktop for a fraction of the price, or buy a Windows laptop for half the price of the Macbook Pro. With the same performance too, might I add.
And this.

[Mr Buckshot]

If it comes to that, I will not get an Intel board. Mac OS X doesn't support Intel products

What are you talking about? All Macs run with Intel CPUs (which means Intel motherboards). But like I said, never buy a Mac unless you really want to quit Windows altogether.

Don't even buy a pre-built desktop PC for that matter, hop on www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com) and order parts online and build it yourself. You save $$$ (which can be used to buy cool games), and you learn something very rewarding in the process (it's not difficult either).

If you want a laptop instead, stay far, far away from the Macbooks. The standard Macbook (not Pro) only has integrated graphics (it may be Nvidia but it's not great being an IGP), yet it costs the same as some Windows laptops that offer superior performance. The Macbook Pro is great for games (good graphics card and all) but it costs twice as much as a similarly-spec'ed Windows laptop.

[Xetsuei]

Also like to add to ^ if you want to build a computer, that there's a stickied thread which has the best parts for the price for a whole range of prices.

[Mr Buckshot]

Its pretty powerful for a Mac Mini [Don't worry, I will install windows :rolleyes:] and its Graphics aren't bad and its processor is alright, better then this shitty 1.6GHz processor I have right now and this shitty Integrated Intel chip. It has 2 GB RAM, which is better then this 1GB system I am using. Other then that, I want your opinion.

Is it worth getting?

P.S. It saves electricity, OH BOY! :awesome:

Mac Mini is the least worthwhile of the Mac desktops. If you really need to save space, get a laptop. Saves electricity? ROFL. Try turning off your computer when you're not using it, that saves more electricity, not that computers consume much electricity anyway (compared to major household appliances). The specs are adequate for low-end gaming (you can run everything, even COD4 can run playably on it, not bad), but low-end PC gaming means under $300, not twice-the-price-of-a-PS3.

Come to think of it, all Mac desktops except the Mac Pro tower really use higher-clocked laptop components, hence they have such a slim form factor.

[DEElekgolo]

Lol, macs.
.

[RobertGraham]

I just found out recently that Mac now supports the Intel chipsets. I don't know why the people at a Windows Vista forum told me that Mac OS X Doesn't support the Intel chipsets, only certain boards. I went on an apple forum and they told me the same thing.

I was looking through a catolog last night with my parents and there is the really nice gaming laptop for $650.

Intel i7 Dual Core Processor
4GB RAM
250GB HDD
nVidia GeForce 8800GTX

Its nice, but the only thing is, is the Graphics is going to be outdated soon :(

[Sel]

Macs blow.

Mac OSX blows.

why are you even considering it.

[RobertGraham]

Macs blow.

Mac OSX blows.

why are you even considering it.



Its pretty powerful for a Mac Mini [Don't worry, I will install windows :rolleyes:] ^

Found something I like Better:

http://store.psystar.com/home/desktops/windows/open-windows.html

Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit
Monitor: 19" Widescreen Monitor (DVI)
Processor: 3.0 GHz Core2Duo E8400
Memory: 4GB DDR2 800
Hard Drive: 320GB 7,200RPM SATA
Additional Hard Drive: 750GB 7,200RPM SATA
Optical Drive: 20x DVD±RW DL
Additional Optical Drive: 6x Bluray Burner/16x DVD±RW DL
Graphics Card(s): GeForce 9500GT 512MB
Keyboard & Mouse: Multimedia Keyboard & Optical Mouse
Firewire: 3 Port Firewire 400 (PCI) Wireless802.11n (PCI-E 1x)
Bluetooth: USB Bluetooth Adapter
Vista Home/Ultimate Multimedia RemoteWindows Media Center Remote
Warranty: Standard One Year Parts and Support
Grand Total $ 1,836.01

So much cheaper and a hell of a lot better, thanks for talking me out of it

[RobertGraham]

Bump

[DrunkenSamus]

Bump

In the same minute? Just.....why?

[Amit]

In the same minute? Just.....why?

Um, clear your eyes a bit? 11:06 AM and 1:06 PM are not the same thing.


I just found out recently that Mac now supports the Intel chipsets. I don't know why the people at a Windows Vista forum told me that Mac OS X Doesn't support the Intel chipsets, only certain boards. I went on an apple forum and they told me the same thing.

I was looking through a catolog last night with my parents and there is the really nice gaming laptop for $650.

Intel i7 Dual Core Processor
4GB RAM
250GB HDD
nVidia GeForce 8800GTX

Its nice, but the only thing is, is the Graphics is going to be outdated soon :(

The graphics won't be outdated soon. Jesus man, that should last you another 2 years at least.


^

Found something I like Better:

http://store.psystar.com/home/desktops/windows/open-windows.html

Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit
Monitor: 19" Widescreen Monitor (DVI)
Processor: 3.0 GHz Core2Duo E8400
Memory: 4GB DDR2 800
Hard Drive: 320GB 7,200RPM SATA
Additional Hard Drive: 750GB 7,200RPM SATA
Optical Drive: 20x DVD±RW DL
Additional Optical Drive: 6x Bluray Burner/16x DVD±RW DL
Graphics Card(s): GeForce 9500GT 512MB
Keyboard & Mouse: Multimedia Keyboard & Optical Mouse
Firewire: 3 Port Firewire 400 (PCI) Wireless802.11n (PCI-E 1x)
Bluetooth: USB Bluetooth Adapter
Vista Home/Ultimate Multimedia RemoteWindows Media Center Remote
Warranty: Standard One Year Parts and Support
Grand Total $ 1,836.01

So much cheaper and a hell of a lot better, thanks for talking me out of it

No, just no. That PC is both crap and overpriced.

Monitor: In this day and age anything less than 20" is just wrong for gamers. You can get good monitors for hella cheap these days...even in Canada :iia:
Operating System: You must buy the 64-bit edition if you want to use all 4GB of the RAM.
CPU: The Processor is a joke. You want at least an E8500.
Memory: You do know that you can't use more than 3GB of RAM with a 32-Bit operating system, right?
HDD: Why do you have such a large difference in hard drive sizes. Unless you partition the 750GB into about 2 or 3 parts I'd make the two drives the equal size and partition them accordingly.
Optical Drive: The Blu-Ray drive should not even be in your configuration. +$350 for Blu-Ray makes no sense on a 19" Monitor. Unless you plan on buying blank Blu-Ray discs, creating 1080p content, and have a Blu-Ray player attatched to a 1080p HDTV, you are wasting your money which could be used for a better video card.
GPU: You were complaining that the 8800GTX would be outdated soon? What makes you think the 9500GT would outlast the 8800GTX even were they to become outdated soon?
Wireless Card: Why pay for a Wireless Network adapter when you don't even know the brand? DO you even have a Wireless N Router to take advantage of it? Oh, and it's wayyy overpriced.
Bluetooth Adapter: Do you really need this? It just adds more onto the final cost.

Go with the laptop, it'll easily outperform the desktop any day of this century. Make sure the laptop has a 64-bit operating system, though; to use all 4GB of the RAM.
And for the price of the laptop YOU CANNOT GO WRONG. However, linx us to it so we can look it over first.

[SnaFuBAR]

within 2 hours, bro.

[RobertGraham]

Alright, thanks for the tips. I am not very good at shopping for PC's, so I will look into it a little more. Does anyone know any good sites that sell cheap "GOOD" PC's?

[Xetsuei]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13689

Buy from Newegg and build your own.

[Warsaw]

Though Newegg does sell some decent pre-builts.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Does newegg sell parts to build a custom laptop though?
With switchable gfx cards?

[Mr Buckshot]

Does newegg sell parts to build a custom laptop though?
With switchable gfx cards?

No, it does not. You can't build a laptop. The closest you can get to that is buying a barebones one that includes a screen, case, mobo, CPU, GPU, and integrated whatever like sound, and you add the RAM, disc drive, and hard drive yourself.

An increasing number of laptops are offering switchable GPUs, but it's best to view them as replaceable rather than upgradeable.

[legionaire45]

Actually, you can get barebones laptops off of newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=%2040000773&Description=OCZ&bop=And&Order=PRICE).

@OP: Use this list (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?t=13689) and build your own computer. It isn't very difficult.

[Warsaw]

That barebones laptop already has the GPU included though, for good reason. Finding MMX III graphics cards is hard.

[RobertGraham]

I think this looks nice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856172003

Thanks for that legionaire45 (http://modacity.net/forums/member.php?u=32)

[Mr Buckshot]

Yes that barebones laptop legionaire posted is a good one.

Just make sure you read carefully so you know exactly what type of RAM to buy for it, and as for HDDs you can get at least 200GB 5400rpm 2.5" these days for a decent price. It's nice to see that the CPU bay supports several types of laptop CPUs which you can find here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&SubCategory=759&N=2010340759&SpeTabStoreType=1).

[Amit]

Rob, if you could post that $650 8800GTX laptop please.

[RobertGraham]

Rob, if you could post that $650 8800GTX laptop please.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856172003

[Amit]

I just found out recently that Mac now supports the Intel chipsets. I don't know why the people at a Windows Vista forum told me that Mac OS X Doesn't support the Intel chipsets, only certain boards. I went on an apple forum and they told me the same thing.

I was looking through a catolog last night with my parents and there is the really nice gaming laptop for $650.

Intel i7 Dual Core Processor
4GB RAM
250GB HDD
nVidia GeForce 8800GTX

Its nice, but the only thing is, is the Graphics is going to be outdated soon :(


This is what I asked for. ;)

[RobertGraham]

It was a Navy Exchange Catalog, we throw those away after were done with them :(

[Amit]

Jesus, that laptop beat anything else you're gonna find out here for that low price.

[Warsaw]

That's because it is completely empty save for the GPU...and there's a version of the same notebook with an HD3850 in it. The HD3650 is actually not very good for games.

[Amit]

That's because it is completely empty save for the GPU...and there's a version of the same notebook with an H
D3850 in it. The HD3650 is actually not very good for games.

Did you even read the specs of the laptop in the quote I made of his earlier post?

[Xetsuei]

Apparently not.

[Warsaw]

I must have missed it, unless you are referring to the Core i7, 8800 GTX, etc. If that's the case, those are certainly not the specs of the laptop linked, and nor can you make it have those specs.

[Amit]

I must have missed it, unless you are referring to the Core i7, 8800 GTX, etc. If that's the case, those are certainly not the specs of the laptop linked, and nor can you make it have those specs.

Does anybody ever fully read posts anymore? I was referring to the Core i7 laptop. However, nowhere did I state that I thought it was the laptop which I was linked to. I have a post right on this page that asks for the link to the i7 laptop and I was provided with the link to some newegg laptop. Then I quoted the specs of core i7 laptop.

[Warsaw]

I have been following the thread since it started.

I was referring to the Newegg laptop when I made the previous statement. Besides, your quoted specs for the i7 laptop are off-canter anyways. No new laptop has an 8-series GPU in it; it's either Intel GMA, Radeon HD3 or better, or GoForce 9 or better.

-Core i7 CPU
-GoForce GTX280M, 9800M GTX+, or Quadro FX3700 (all 1GB VRAM)
-Up to 8GB of DDR3 RAM
-Up to three 500GB Hard drives (stock will be one 250GB 7200rpm, as usual with Clevos)

Link Here (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=4466379#post4466379)

This is the only Core i7 laptop coming out before late Q3 of 2009. It uses desktop components.

[Amit]

I have been following the thread since it started.

I was referring to the Newegg laptop when I made the previous statement. Besides, your quoted specs for the i7 laptop are off-canter anyways. No new laptop has an 8-series GPU in it; it's either Intel GMA, Radeon HD3 or better, or GoForce 9 or better.

-Core i7 CPU
-GoForce GTX280M, 9800M GTX+, or Quadro FX3700 (all 1GB VRAM)
-Up to 8GB of DDR3 RAM
-Up to three 500GB Hard drives (stock will be one 250GB 7200rpm, as usual with Clevos)

Link Here (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=4466379#post4466379)

This is the only Core i7 laptop coming out before late Q3 of 2009. It uses desktop components.

That is fine if what you say is true. But are you saying that Rob made up those specs?

[Warsaw]

I'm saying I've never seen a Core i7 laptop planned that has those specs, and believe me I've looked, because I'm in the market for a laptop right now (be it desktop replacement or something more portable). The 8800M GTX was discontinued a long time ago in favour of the 9800M GTX and 9800M GT, the latter of which was also discontinued in favour of the 9800M GTS. Soon even these will be discontinued as the GTX260M and GTX280M take their place. The GT120M, GT130M, and GT105 will all phase out existing nVidia notebook graphics solutions along with the GTX200s, albeit very slowly.

Aside from the linked Clevo D900F, the most I've heard about i7 laptops is that Apple will be switching to i7 once Intel moves to 32nm process for their next lineup of MacBooks and MacBook Pros, which will supposedly come late this year, and I daresay that Apple would be adverse to the idea of ruining the profile of their notebooks with such a powerful internal setup as a GeForce GTX or 9800 series card.

First notebook to use the GTX280M (http://www.notebookcheck.net/Hands-On-Clevo-M980NU-Notebook.14554.0.html)

Edit: The D900F was originally slated for dual 9800M GTX like its predecessor, known as the Sager NP9262. This may have caused some confusion.
(http://www.notebookcheck.net/Hands-On-Clevo-M980NU-Notebook.14554.0.html)