Threat level Alpha

[Dwood]

Obama supports the RIAA (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/obama-sides-wit.html)fine of 750 to 150,000 dollars per music track pirated off internet.

For shame.

[MetKiller Joe]

Punish potential customers. Don't innovate. Avoid the problem.

*thumbs up* to RIAA and this latest Obama move.

Really, thumbs up. their asses

[TVTyrant]

I love how they sued 30,000 over 5 years. Yeah, thats a big impact. Just how many are downloading? Probably over 5 mil.

[Limited]

RIAA doesnt have jurisdiction over UK right? Thank god.

[Sel]

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/images/2009/03/23/commiepics_2_2_2.jpg

haha

[=sw=warlord]

RIAA doesnt have jurisdiction over UK right? Thank god.
No their an American firm/group so luckily they don't have any jurisdiction over here, but we are still fucked over by international treaties...
i think the main threat over here is with the BBC and their damned TV licences...

[CN3089]

Michelle Bennett, a Department of Justice trial attorney supports the RIAA (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/obama-sides-wit.html)fine of 750 to 150,000 dollars per music track pirated off internet.

For shame.

sup i fixed your post http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-allears.gif

[TVTyrant]

Lol, I bet Obama pirates music all the time. "Oh yeah, gotta get some of that Soul Train goin..."

[DarkHalo003]

Some attorneys and law firms are stupid. They're a bunch of conniving weasels.

"HEY KIDS BECAUSE YOU FEEL A LITTLE PAIN HOW ABOUT WE MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER BY FUCKING OVER THE LIVES OF OTHER PEOPLE AND GET YOU THE BIG BUCKS! MONEY GUARANTEES HAPPINESS! *TIGGER LAUGH*"

Alright, it IS pirating, but a fine that huge with so many piratings could get the bailout out of debt.

*No offense to anyone who plans to create a law firm, but this is just by deeply expressed opinion.

I'm more overly talking about Law Firms in general here. My unnecessary rant of the week. If anyone wants me to remove this I will.

Yeah, it's the suer's fault, but technical the firms are living off of others' misery.

[=sw=warlord]

Attorneys and law firms are stupid. They're a bunch of conniving weasels.

"HEY KIDS BECAUSE YOU FEEL A LITTLE PAIN HOW ABOUT WE MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER BY FUCKING OVER THE LIVES OF OTHER PEOPLE AND GET YOU THE BIG BUCKS! MONEY GUARANTEES HAPPINESS! *TIGGER LAUGH*"

Alright, it IS pirating, but a fine that huge with so many piratings could get the bailout out of debt.

*No offense to anyone who plans to create a law firm, but this is just by deeply expressed opinion.
The reasons the fines are so high is to deter people from pirating in the first place.
The people you need to bitch about are the ones sueing but then, i don't really blame the artists themselves its the record companies i dislike.
as far as i am aware, the artists get less money from sales than the recording companies themselves.
Oh and if you have a court case comming up where you are defending, good luck defending yourself without a thourough knowledge of the law system:)

[legionaire45]

The artists really should pull a Trent Reznor and just start publishing their own work via stuff like youtube, internet radio, etc. Publishing this stuff isn't as hard as it used to be and the artists would probably do better without the record companies eating all their profits.

Record Companies are an anachronism; not only are they continuing to push tired, worn out business models but they are trying to force their will on consumers. Fuck them.

[ThePlague]

Yeah, let's make sure every person pirating music gets a fine that they can't pay for! Because they're pirating music because they have no money in the first place!

Honestly, can the US Government start to make improvements that don't screw anyone over, and aren't completely retarded. Shit like this just proves that they can't think of how to get out of recession, because they spend all their time on shit as stupid and ineffective as this.

[DarkHalo003]

The artists really should pull a Trent Reznor and just start publishing their own work via stuff like youtube, internet radio, etc. Publishing this stuff isn't as hard as it used to be and the artists would probably do better without the record companies eating all their profits.

Record Companies are an anachronism; not only are they continuing to push tired, worn out business models but they are trying to force their will on consumers. Fuck them.
QFT. I also hate how some music industries restrict the expression of the bands (Christian and some others do this).

[DarkHalo003]

The reasons the fines are so high is to deter people from pirating in the first place.
The people you need to bitch about are the ones sueing but then, i don't really blame the artists themselves its the record companies i dislike.
as far as i am aware, the artists get less money from sales than the recording companies themselves.
Oh and if you have a court case comming up where you are defending, good luck defending yourself without a thourough knowledge of the law system:)
I was stating law firms in general, not about pirating music. Either way, I still find the fine over the top, regardless if it's trying to keep people from pirating. Chances are, people don't have $750 - 150,000 in there pockets. You'll basically be sending someone to jail for a while for taking a single track illegally. Whether or not that's justified beats the full out of me. I'm not too keen with the commercial nonos that get you in jail. I've only learned of the really serious stuff that does.

Edit: Thsi post was supposed to be an edit to my post above.

[Heathen]

I am glad that he supports this.

Whether you do it or not you KNOW its illegal.

Its justly illegal.

As a person who downloads entire discographies and saves them on my almost full multi-terabyte external hard drive, I support Obama's support.

[rossmum]

Attorneys and law firms are stupid. They're a bunch of conniving weasels.

"HEY KIDS BECAUSE YOU FEEL A LITTLE PAIN HOW ABOUT WE MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER BY FUCKING OVER THE LIVES OF OTHER PEOPLE AND GET YOU THE BIG BUCKS! MONEY GUARANTEES HAPPINESS! *TIGGER LAUGH*"

Alright, it IS pirating, but a fine that huge with so many piratings could get the bailout out of debt.

*No offense to anyone who plans to create a law firm, but this is just by deeply expressed opinion.
Guess whose fault it is that we lack an R18+ rating for games

(hint: SA's attorney general who seems to think he's some sort of Jack Thompson)


The artists really should pull a Trent Reznor and just start publishing their own work via stuff like youtube, internet radio, etc. Publishing this stuff isn't as hard as it used to be and the artists would probably do better without the record companies eating all their profits.

Record Companies are an anachronism; not only are they continuing to push tired, worn out business models but they are trying to force their will on consumers. Fuck them.
Agreed, record labels are obsolete. Any idiot can post a promo video on Youtube and have it get millions of views, it's not hard; without the labels, more money goes to the people who actually put in the hard work creating the music and there aren't as many shitfights in the industry.

Also, I love how they're so desperate to stop piracy over the internet when every single person I know routinely swaps songs with their friends, either through simply plugging in MP3 players and transferring them across, or burning CDs. I'd love to know how they intend to police that - or if they don't, why the internet gets attention but physical swapping doesn't.

[Jean-Luc]

Also, I love how they're so desperate to stop piracy over the internet when every single person I know routinely swaps songs with their friends, either through simply plugging in MP3 players and transferring them across, or burning CDs. I'd love to know how they intend to police that - or if they don't, why the internet gets attention but physical swapping doesn't.

You just answered your own question. Internet gets attention because you CAN police it.

[Maniac]

A percentage of every blank cdr/cdrw/dvdr/dvdrw/w/e sale gets paid to the recording industry i believe, somewhat Hippocratic imo (i wonder how many sales are for backup purposes).
The thinking behind this is crazy, its like busting kids for having a gram of weed, instead of finding the main dealers, but i guess they do that too.

[rossmum]

You just answered your own question. Internet gets attention because you CAN police it.
...Yet since you can't police the other, you may as well not bother.

Unless the sole aim is to make revenue, of course. The sort of thing the NSW 'State Government' (heh) would do.

[Joshflighter]

What is funny, apart of movies, the actual artists in Music dont make much money at all. A few cents from a album sold.

They rely on the big crowds at there concerts. So with out the Internet, they wouldnt even have that big of a following. That's if you think about it that way. :p

[Bodzilla]

...Yet since you can't police the other, you may as well not bother.

Unless the sole aim is to make revenue, of course. The sort of thing the NSW 'State Government' (heh) would do.

ALCOPOPS DESTRYOING GENERATION HERF DERP
MUST RAISE TAX'S IT"S THE ONLY WAY!!!!!


:tinfoil:

[Masterz1337]

I actually pay for my music so this doesn't really bother me. When you can DL a song for 99c a piece these days and things like Pandora radio I don't see why anyone would need to pirate music.

[Jean-Luc]

I actually pay for my music so this doesn't really bother me. When you can DL a song for 99c a piece these days and things like Pandora radio I don't see why anyone would need to pirate music.

There are only a couple half-way decent possibilities as to why someone would need to.

1) Original CD is bust and they don't want to go through the rigmarole of buying a new copy.
2) Copy Protection
3) Music no longer available in stores.


Bout it.

[Mr Buckshot]

I don't listen to music very much (classicalfag here, I mostly listen to old CDs that my parents bought way back in the 1990s and which are easy to rip to my cell phone), but yeah I think the giant fine thing on music piracy is going a little too far, it's a bit out of proportion.


Yeah, let's make sure every person pirating music gets a fine that they can't pay for! Because they're pirating music because they have no money in the first place!

I disagree with this. If you can't afford the music, then you shan't have it. I'm sure you can live without it. While I am certainly not poor, I still can't afford to just go out any time I like and slap down fifty bucks for a new video game - in such circumstances, do I torrent the game illegally? No, I simply wait until I do have an opportunity to buy it, and by then there might even be a price drop. Sometimes it takes me over half a year before I can get my hands on the latest cool game, I can live with that, no need to pirate it. Same thing should be said for music. I don't have the cash for the music? Simple, I just don't buy it, if I really want it that badly I save up and wait my turn (better late than never).

[Dwood]

There are only a couple half-way decent possibilities as to why someone would need to.

1) Original CD is bust and they don't want to go through the rigmarole of buying a new copy.
2) Copy Protection
3) Music no longer available in stores.


Bout it.

I've done that before, I'm not going to lie- If I lose a cd, I'm not going to re-buy my album, in fact, if I did I would rather most of my money go to the artist so they will produce more good music. But since that is not the case then record labels don't get more of my money (after the initial purchase that is).

What's the worst is if you lose your Itunes back-ups. Now that's a screwey way things Apple works over the internet if I may say so myself.

[Jean-Luc]

What's the worst is if you lose your Itunes back-ups. Now that's a screwey way things Apple works over the internet if I may say so myself.

That's why I like Steam's method of purchase. You buy it once, and you can download it again whenever you like.

[=sw=warlord]

all the music i listen to either my father has on on the original CDs or are on kerrang random music CD's so i get it from there but sometimes if i cant be bothered searching for the CD il look up on youtube and find a music video there.

[sdavis117]

1) Original CD is bust and they don't want to go through the rigmarole of buying a new copy.


When you buy a CD you should always burn a copy, store the original CD somewhere safe, and only use the copy.

I have never had to replace lost CD's, because I know where all of my Originals are.

[Mr Buckshot]

Heh, I never use iTunes, or any Apple product for that matter.