Missing Link Found?

[flibitijibibo]

These guys say so (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Missing-Link-Scientists-In-New-York-Unveil-Fossil-Of-Lemur-Monkey-Hailed-As-Mans-Earliest-Ancestor/Article/200905315284582?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15284582_Missing_Link:_Scientists_In_N ew_York_Unveil_Fossil_Of_Lemur_Monkey_Hailed_As_Ma ns_Earliest_Ancestor)

[teh lag]

Those who still deny evolution based on the "missing link" argument will not stop doing so unless every skeleton of every individual that was part of the transition from ape to man was found.

[Heathen]

Those who still deny evolution based on the "missing link" argument will not stop doing so unless every skeleton of every individual that was part of the transition from ape to man was found.

Lol, denial is a pathetic thing.

No one honestly believes that evolution is a myth.
No one on earth is that stupid and oblivious.

Oh, hello religious majority. I didn't know you were listening.

[Jean-Luc]

Look at all this religious intolerance in here :nsmug:

[Corndogman]

Wow, this is really quite interesting.

And being raised in a Christian church, I have come to the conclusion that the bible is meant to be metaphorical, and if you believe in god, you should consider the possibility that god could have created evolution and that's how man came to be. Adam and Eve is just a parable designed to teach a lesson.

/beliefs rant.

Seriously though, I hope this opens up some peoples eyes.

[Jelly]

Seriously though, I hope this opens up some peoples eyes.
Some people have invested so much time and effort into anti-evolution propaganda that they will never change their mind, no matter what evidence is discovered. I'm sure there's a name for it.

[Heathen]

Look at all this religious intolerance in here :nsmug:

Nah, I tolerate it. I live in Louisiana. I have to tolerate LOTS of other idiots too.

[MetKiller Joe]

Does the human being reason? No; he thinks, muses, reflects, but does not reason...That is, in the two things which are the peculiar domain of the heart, not the mind,--politics and religion. He doesn't want to know the other side. He wants arguments and statistics for his own side, and nothing more.
- Mark Twain's Notebook (http://www.twainquotes.com/Reasoning.html)

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[Heathen]

enough about religion tho. I never got the whole missing link thing. Aren't our bodies close enough to some monkeys already?

[Joshflighter]

So wait. If this is true, then that must mean that monkeys must of evolved from something. According to some guys out there, that was this prehistoric fish.

TBH: My theory is we actually came from this guy that mated with the monkeys. His name was Tarzan. :)

[Heathen]

If you really wanna see the missing link go here:

[Donut]

Some people have invested so much time and effort into anti-evolution propaganda that they will never change their mind, no matter what evidence is discovered. I'm sure there's a name for it.
i believe ignorance is the word you are looking for.

[Xetsuei]

i believe ignorance is the word you are looking for.

Because everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. :rolleyes:

[teh lag]

No, but I think maintaining a belief despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary is ignorant (which is, after all, what he was referring to).

[Xetsuei]

Overwhelming evidence.

[teh lag]

Yes, overwhelming evidence.

I fail to see your point; he wasn't saying that people were ignorant just for disagreeing.

[Heathen]

Yes, overwhelming evidence.

I fail to see your point; he wasn't saying that people were ignorant just for disagreeing.

You go girl.
Xet I respect your opinion, but Lag is right because I am right.

You cant deny overwhelming evidence.

[Xetsuei]

My point is that the other side of the argument could say the exact same thing about you guys.

These debates really seem to bring out the idiot in people more frequently than I see anywhere else.

[Heathen]

My point is that the other side of the argument could say the exact same thing about you guys.

These debates really seem to bring out the idiot in people more frequently than I see anywhere else.

Uh...
please please please give me proof that god exists...
The difference between me and most others is that I am TRULY open minded. If you can prove gods existence, I will hop right over to the religious side. I don't say things DONT exist, just that I don't believe in them.
but please please please give me proof that god exists...


or don't because that would save time.

E: and when I say "you" I don't mean specifically you Xet, I mean you as in "you" the reader in which this applies to. Someone that wanted to save me or whatever.

[Xetsuei]

Uh...
please please please give me proof that god exists...

or don't because that would save time.

As I said in the IM I'm not "for" any side. I don't bother searching the web day and night for proof of god/evolution existing/being true.

[teh lag]

Don't take what I said the wrong way either. I just didn't see the connection between what he said and what Donut said. I don't think we'd make any headway with a debate here.

[Heathen]

E: and when I say "you" I don't mean specifically you Xet, I mean you as in "you" the reader in which this applies to. Someone that wanted to save me or whatever.
Edited to fit that.
I know you are not on either side. We had that convo before.
But same could apply to you.
If you could prove to me that evolution isn't the origin of species, I'd more than gladly hop aboard the next wave of thinking.

[Syuusuke]

We've got to dig up the earth some more.

hop into my bulldozer guys

[rossmum]

Wow, this is really quite interesting.

And being raised in a Christian church, I have come to the conclusion that the bible is meant to be metaphorical, and if you believe in god, you should consider the possibility that god could have created evolution and that's how man came to be. Adam and Eve is just a parable designed to teach a lesson.

/beliefs rant.

Seriously though, I hope this opens up some peoples eyes.
whatup :highfive:

[Heathen]

Wow, this is really quite interesting.

And being raised in a Christian church, I have come to the conclusion that the bible is meant to be metaphorical, and if you believe in god, you should consider the possibility that god could have created evolution and that's how man came to be. Adam and Eve is just a parable designed to teach a lesson.

/beliefs rant.

Seriously though, I hope this opens up some peoples eyes.
You know what?

when I WAS religious this is EXACTLY what I believed. You good sir have earned +rep when I can give it.

[TVTyrant]

I believe in the same thing as Corn. I like to read the bible, because its interesting. If you read between the lines, it has alot of allegorical messages. Its stories are supposed to show the difference between right and wrong. Of course, there are some extremely retarded ones, but I usually skip over those (seriously, the book of Job has NO POINT).

BTW, Im agnostic, and the last time I went to church was for my baptism at 2 months old.

[Corndogman]

Aww shucks, thanks guys. It appears I may have made an awesome post.

Anyways, I'm not necessarily saying that's what I believe in, just that any reasonable person should at least consider that. I honestly couldn't tell you what I believe in in under two pages of text.

Let the rep flow~

[Bodzilla]

dear god i hope this thread is open when i get home.

was gunna post this till you beat me to it >:U!
thumbs.

[Jean-Luc]

If you could prove to me that evolution isn't the origin of species, I'd more than gladly hop aboard the next wave of thinking.

You are aware that it's the THEORY of Evolution right? We haven't proven evolution more than we've proven the existence of God, we just appear to have more physical evidence towards evolution.

[blind]

You are aware that it's the THEORY of Evolution right? We haven't proven evolution more than we've proven the existence of God, we just appear to have more physical evidence towards evolution.
imo everything is a theory

[LinkandKvel]

Am I the only one that's NOT seeing the similarities here?

[Reaper Man]

imo everything is a theory
That's an interesting theory.

[SnaFuBAR]

link is no longer missing he's right there.

[Bodzilla]

http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/9/9a/Dark_Link_Knil.jpg/300px-Dark_Link_Knil.jpg
fuck you found me.

Also people that use the "it's just a theory" argument do not know the fundamentals of science!
A theory in science is not a guess but the outcome of some extremely rigorous testing from all sides of the scientific community.
IF i said "I think the sky is actually purple, despite the commonly excepted idea that is blue" that would be a HYPOTHESIS and NOT a theory.

it's a long... LONG road to get from a hypothesis to a theory. Test, repeat and observe!

Also people that still want to believe in this line of logic is acceptable need to start floating around the room.
because after all,
Gravity is JUST A THEORY TOO.

[Bodzilla]

Now Rant aside is this the first fossil thats been found with thumbs?

i cant believe they had this locked away for 25 years in some laboratory doing nothing, what is wrong with these people!

But thats awesome.

[Sel]

Some people have invested so much time and effort into anti-evolution propaganda that they will never change their mind, no matter what evidence is discovered. I'm sure there's a name for it.

Yeah pretty much this

jelly is a bad poster though

he plays eve

[RecycleBin]

I don't belive the adam and eve shit nor do i belive that we evolved from primates. If we did then why do primates still exist?

[Sel]

I don't belive the adam and eve shit nor do i belive that we evolved from primates. If we did then why do primates still exist?

Because evolution is caused by random mutations? It doesn't need to remove the previous race that spawned the new one, it just means (usually) that the new species is less capable, or more capable of surviving, if they are too incapable they become victim of natural selection, and if they are more capable they don't.

The preceding race is still just as capable of surviving as they were before.

[Joshflighter]

Its a theory. Theories can be explained with other new ideas and theories. Yet, they still can be disproved, and then that can be argued with more theories.. lol.

[RecycleBin]

Because evolution is caused by random mutations? It doesn't need to remove the previous race that spawned the new one, it just means (usually) that the new species is less capable, or more capable of surviving, if they are too incapable they become victim of natural selection, and if they are more capable they don't.

The preceding race is still just as capable of surviving as they were before.

Ah, okay.

[thehoodedsmack]

Was doing a Google search today. Lol'd.

http://www.google.ca/logos/missinglink.gif

[kid908]

I don't belive the adam and eve shit nor do i belive that we evolved from primates. If we did then why do primates still exist?

why are there single celled organism if we evolved from them?


Now Rant aside is this the first fossil thats been found with thumbs?

i cant believe they had this locked away for 25 years in some laboratory doing nothing, what is wrong with these people!

But thats awesome.

correction. it was locked away by a collector, and they've been studying it for 2 years.



__________________________________________________ _____________

most fields of science is theory. all it is is theory.


can u see an atom?
nope.
is it there?
science said so.
can you prove it's there?
sure i can, just not the exact place of electrons...they seem to be everywhere, damn bastards fucking with our perfect theory.
hey i have a theory about that!
really?
electrons are multidimensional and aren't solids at all, but vibrating strings
can u prove it?
with numbers and all these weird signs i can =P



everything you're learning about science is a theory -- a proven theory.

also nice google image lawl but it only say g/gle

[Jelly]

You are aware that it's the THEORY of Evolution right? We haven't proven evolution more than we've proven the existence of God, we just appear to have more physical evidence towards evolution.
Nothing ever in the whole world ever will ever be anything more than a theory. Ever. We cannot assume there are no unknowns.

Also as well as a host of physical evidence for evolution, there is psychological evidence, how our (and other species') thought process has changed. Evolution really is a well-proven theory, whereas "God" or "creationism" is not even at the hypothesis level. No predictions, no specific evidence, just a nice story.


Because evolution is caused by random mutations?
No because it isn't. Evolution is a series of adaptations to the local environment. If they have a negative side-effect, they generally die out, if they have an overall positive effect, it survives and the genes get spread around. IF YOU PLAYED EVE YOU WOULD KNOW THIS GOSH SEL.

We did not evolve from monkeys. No scientist says that. Both humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor; the "missing link." There's also other missing links in other species, but they're slowly being filled in (creating two more gaps oh no). Creationism has no more evidence now than it did when it was invented (it has no evidence).

[Maniac]

(it has no evidence).
What about when people see the face of Mary in like their toast or a watermelon?
That's conclusive as far as i'm concerned.

[Bodzilla]

Its a theory. Theories can be explained with other new ideas and theories. Yet, they still can be disproved, and then that can be argued with more theories.. lol.

do you even fucking read.


Also people that use the "it's just a theory" argument do not know the fundamentals of science!
A theory in science is not a guess but the outcome of some extremely rigorous testing from all sides of the scientific community.
IF i said "I think the sky is actually purple, despite the commonly excepted idea that is blue" that would be a HYPOTHESIS and NOT a theory.

it's a long... LONG road to get from a hypothesis to a theory. Test, repeat and observe!

Also people that still want to believe in this line of logic is acceptable need to start floating around the room.
because after all,
Gravity is JUST A THEORY TOO.


Also people that use the "it's just a theory" argument do not know the fundamentals of science!
A theory in science is not a guess but the outcome of some extremely rigorous testing from all sides of the scientific community.
IF i said "I think the sky is actually purple, despite the commonly excepted idea that is blue" that would be a HYPOTHESIS and NOT a theory.

it's a long... LONG road to get from a hypothesis to a theory. Test, repeat and observe!

Also people that still want to believe in this line of logic is acceptable need to start floating around the room.
because after all,
Gravity is JUST A THEORY TOO.


Also people that use the "it's just a theory" argument do not know the fundamentals of science!
A theory in science is not a guess but the outcome of some extremely rigorous testing from all sides of the scientific community.
IF i said "I think the sky is actually purple, despite the commonly excepted idea that is blue" that would be a HYPOTHESIS and NOT a theory.

it's a long... LONG road to get from a hypothesis to a theory. Test, repeat and observe!

Also people that still want to believe in this line of logic is acceptable need to start floating around the room.
because after all,
Gravity is JUST A THEORY TOO.

god dammit

[Bodzilla]

why are there single celled organism if we evolved from them?



correction. it was locked away by a collector, and they've been studying it for 2 years.



__________________________________________________ _____________

most fields of science is theory. all it is is theory.


can u see an atom?
nope.
is it there?
science said so.
can you prove it's there?
sure i can, just not the exact place of electrons...they seem to be everywhere, damn bastards fucking with our perfect theory.
hey i have a theory about that!
really?
electrons are multidimensional and aren't solids at all, but vibrating strings
can u prove it?
with numbers and all these weird signs i can =P



everything you're learning about science is a theory -- a proven theory.

also nice google image lawl but it only say g/gle
i knew it was 2 years they'd been studying it but i didnt know what it was kept in so i just said lab.
sue me vOv

[Heathen]

You are aware that it's the THEORY of Evolution right? We haven't proven evolution more than we've proven the existence of God, we just appear to have more physical evidence towards evolution.

ACTUALLY, your out of date. It has been accepted as fact. But I mean, it'll be a while before its universally accepted.

Like that thing about Earth being round?

And yeah, IMO, the bible isn't supposed to be taken literally.

[SnaFuBAR]

It's about as accepted as fact as the existence of God, bro. You're either totally misinformed or dubiously opinionated. They're still trying to figure it out, and corroborate evidence to solidify the theory.

Before it becomes fact, they have to complete the lineage and do a little more than postulate what could possibly cause the evolutionary steps. By the very nature of what we're dealing with, which are propositions of a series of events, and not actual fact, evolution is a THEORY.

[Heathen]

It's about as accepted as fact as the existence of God, bro. You're either totally misinformed or dubiously opinionated. They're still trying to figure it out, and corroborate evidence to solidify the theory.

Before it becomes fact, they have to complete the lineage and do a little more than postulate what could possibly cause the evolutionary steps. By the very nature of what we're dealing with, which are propositions of a series of events, and not actual fact, evolution is a THEORY.

well thats why I used the word accepted. Doesn't mean it IS fact, just that its offically being called a fact, whatever your beliefs may be.

[Disaster]

And yeah, IMO, the bible isn't supposed to be taken literally.
If there is a god, Science is merely his tool.

E: It would imply a fusion of religious and scientific principle. This is what several scientists have believed. One of the most renown was Sir Isaac Newton.

[Bodzilla]

It's about as accepted as fact as the existence of God, bro. You're either totally misinformed or dubiously opinionated. They're still trying to figure it out, and corroborate evidence to solidify the theory.

Before it becomes fact, they have to complete the lineage and do a little more than postulate what could possibly cause the evolutionary steps. By the very nature of what we're dealing with, which are propositions of a series of events, and not actual fact, evolution is a THEORY.
just as long as you look at the word theory and evaluate it as scientific term instead of a normal term then i'm fine with it being called a theory because it's essentially that.

If you see the word theory and zone out and relate it to a guess your deluding yourself.

See thats the beauty of science if a better theory which fits better with the evidence and furthers our knowledge comes up we will abandon evolution and adapt to the new information.
we wont just stick our fingers in our ears and yell LALALA NOT LISTENING

thats why i'm so against the use of the fictional word "evolutionism" because theres no "Ism" about it. It's not a belief period.
Using it is just an attempt to bring us down with them on equal terms :(
and that makes me a sad panda.

DAM YOU SHORT LUNCH BREAK GOTTA RUN

[Heathen]

If there is a god, Science is merely his tool.

E: It would imply a fusion of religious and scientific principle. This is what several scientists have believed. One of the most renown was Sir Isaac Newton.

Back when I was religious this is what I believed also, and when I heard the word "scientology" I was like "YES, that could be my religion right there!" When I heard the story I realized I was sadly mistaken

[rossmum]

If there is a god, Science is merely his tool.

E: It would imply a fusion of religious and scientific principle. This is what several scientists have believed. One of the most renown was Sir Isaac Newton.
Yeah.

Think about it. You're an all-powerful entity, and you want to create some stuff. Do you just magic it into existence, or make all sorts of cool and overly complicated shit happen over billions of years with things exploding and crashing into each other and generally making the greatest fireworks display ever?

I don't go to church and I don't pray often. Why? God has the whole universe (well, possibly even multiple universes) to worry about. He doesn't need my petty bullshit. If that makes me a bad Christian in the eyes of some people, so be it. I don't take the Bible literally, but I also don't buy the "well one day, all this shit just decided to explode of its own accord and there is no god" theory. Everything has to start somewhere, right? Somewhere down the line, something had to be magicked into existence.

[Disaster]

:downs:

[Xetsuei]

thats why i'm so against the use of the fictional word "evolutionism" because theres no "Ism" about it. It's not a belief period.
Using it is just an attempt to bring us down with them on equal terms :(
and that makes me a sad panda.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evolutionism

:downs:

[SnaFuBAR]

just as long as you look at the word theory and evaluate it as scientific term instead of a normal term then i'm fine with it being called a theory because it's essentially that.

If you see the word theory and zone out and relate it to a guess your deluding yourself.

See thats the beauty of science if a better theory which fits better with the evidence and furthers our knowledge comes up we will abandon evolution and adapt to the new information.
we wont just stick our fingers in our ears and yell LALALA NOT LISTENING

thats why i'm so against the use of the fictional word "evolutionism" because theres no "Ism" about it. It's not a belief period.
Using it is just an attempt to bring us down with them on equal terms :(
and that makes me a sad panda.

DAM YOU SHORT LUNCH BREAK GOTTA RUN

Are you referring to "you" as the reader or specifically addressing me? You know damn well (or should by my post) that I'm talking about the scientific process and theory.

Bolded: 1) you sound like Dano 2) Being theory, it is exactly that, and ism. there is absolutely no way you can argue that because by definition, an ism is a theory, practice, etc.

@ Heathen, NO it is NOT OFFICALLY BEING CALLED FACT. Please get that through your head.

theory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

[Bodzilla]

Are you referring to "you" as the reader or specifically addressing me? You know damn well (or should by my post) that I'm talking about the scientific process and theory.

Bolded: 1) you sound like Dano 2) Being theory, it is exactly that, and ism. there is absolutely no way you can argue that because by definition, an ism is a theory, practice, etc.

@ Heathen, NO it is NOT OFFICALLY BEING CALLED FACT. Please get that through your head.

theory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
i know you snaf was talking about the reader.

remember our LOOOONNNNGGG convo :P

[Bodzilla]

Are you referring to "you" as the reader or specifically addressing me? You know damn well (or should by my post) that I'm talking about the scientific process and theory.

Bolded: 1) you sound like Dano 2) Being theory, it is exactly that, and ism. there is absolutely no way you can argue that because by definition, an ism is a theory, practice, etc.

@ Heathen, NO it is NOT OFFICALLY BEING CALLED FACT. Please get that through your head.

theory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
ahhh but it's what the facts suggest!

everythings a theory and thats the beautiful part of science, just because we leave ourselves open to be proven wrong at a latter date doesnt mean that this hasn't got mountains of evidence to support it, where as religion............

it's just an idea :/
an idea that works for billions of people....
but still an idea.

Which is infinitely worse imo.

[Jelly]

It's about as accepted as fact as the existence of God, bro. You're either totally misinformed or dubiously opinionated. They're still trying to figure it out, and corroborate evidence to solidify the theory.

Before it becomes fact, they have to complete the lineage and do a little more than postulate what could possibly cause the evolutionary steps. By the very nature of what we're dealing with, which are propositions of a series of events, and not actual fact, evolution is a THEORY.
urgh y u troll this thread

Evolution is a theory. One of the strongest theories going, because all the experiments and predictions is has made have not been falsified. Theory is the highest status that anything in science can get, because we cannot say there are no unknowns. There are no scientific facts at all, but there is reasonable doubt. Evolution has a mass of evidence which has proven it beyond reasonable doubt.

There is no controversy in science about the existence of evolution, there's only some evidence which can be explained multiple ways, and some more predictions to be made and verified. If there's a problem with one of the predictions or if new contrasting or inconsistent evidence is discovered, it'll be looked at, the theory or prediction will be modified, and science will continue. It's pretty much here to stay unless god appears one day and says "I did it here's some evidence I was just testing you~~"

Also if you would like to listen to a good podcast which talks a lot about stuff like this you should listen to The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe. (http://www.theskepticsguide.org/)

[Maniac]

There are a lot of scientific facts and laws.

[Jelly]

No there aren't. The "laws" of thermodynamics are still open to be falsified. Science is always self-correcting.

[Maniac]

I said nothing about thermodynamics.
There are many scientific laws that are considered fact.
Can i pass through a brick wall?
Can i fly?
Gravity.

[Jelly]

I said nothing about thermodynamics.
There are many scientific laws that are considered fact.
Can i pass through a brick wall?
Can i fly?
Gravity.

Considered fact because they have been proven beyond reasonable doubt just like Evolution~~~

[Heathen]

Considered fact because they have been proven beyond reasonable doubt just like Evolution~~~

<3

[Bodzilla]

Considered fact because they have been proven beyond reasonable doubt just like Evolution~~~
y u pwn so hard jerry <3

[Donut]

Because everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. :rolleyes:
read the post. people who are FACED WITH FACTUAL INFORMATION that dont change their minds.
not that i agree with it either, im saying in any case, whether it be related to this topic or not, when somebody refuses to change their mind when faced with factual information, what else could that be other than ignorance. im a catholic. flame me all you want, but i still believe in evolution because theres just so much information to back it up. its kind of staggering when you stack it up to the bible, where you have a large percentage of catholics who take it as a metaphorical reference rather than factual

[Bodzilla]

im saying in any case, whether it be related to this topic or not, when somebody refuses to change their mind when faced with factual information, what else could that be other than ignorance.
boom baby

[TeeKup]

I fail to see why people cannot compromise. What if there really is a god? What if that god created everything, including evolution and science. I believe that whatever omnipotent being there is out there gave me the ability to reason, and I will use that ability to help my fellow man everyday, and thank that being everyday for my existence.

[Bodzilla]

people need to grow a pair as well as self esteem tbh.

Your responsible for your own actions and the consequences that arive from it.
if you work your ass off and you achieve greater things in life because of it, it doesnt mean you where gifted by the sky-daddy it just means you YOURSELF and yourself alone worked your ass off for it.
Take the glory for yourself.

and if you fuck up you fucked up and need to bare the consequences of your actions and not put it down to some mysterious plan thats NEVER been coherent or worked out.
All this except jesus and repent your sins and your good to go! bullshit is a dirty get out of jail free card and you all know it.

People use the argument that because atheists dont answer to a higher power and we arnt scared of eternal damnation and torture that we have no reason to guide our selves with basic morals.
A bigger load of horse shit has never been spoken.
We are Ultimately responsible for ourselves which is a much stronger guiding influence.

The now, is much more important then the "could's" "maybe's" "If's" and "possibly's".
Take heart in the things you do, guide yourself, control yourself and above all be responsible for yourself.

[Mr Buckshot]

I'm suddenly reminded of some really old joke picture showing George W Bush with the words "Evolution. Still just a theory." next to him. Can't seem to find it on google images >.<

Cool find, thanks.

[rossmum]

Can i pass through a brick wall?
whatup quantum mechanics

e/ by the way bodie p sure that you're not safe making the assumption people follow religion just to try shirk responsibility~

[Bodzilla]

i'm not saying they do it for that reason.

but that repent and it's all good mentality is fucking bullshit.

[LinkandKvel]

link is no longer missing he's right there.


http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/9/9a/Dark_Link_Knil.jpg/300px-Dark_Link_Knil.jpg
fuck you found me.
you ruined it :fail:


i'm not saying they do it for that reason.

but that repent and it's all good mentality is fucking bullshit.

Sure beats the "when your dead, its eternal darkness and nothing happens" idea.

[Bodzilla]

Sure beats the "when your dead, its eternal darkness and nothing happens" idea.
thats not what i was stating.

i was stating where ultimately more responsible for our decisions because we cant pass our sins off onto a zombie who died a couple thousand years ago.

[Jelly]

I fail to see why people cannot compromise. What if there really is a god? What if that god created everything, including evolution and science. I believe that whatever omnipotent being there is out there gave me the ability to reason, and I will use that ability to help my fellow man everyday, and thank that being everyday for my existence.
Some people believe this, and I much prefer it to fundamentalist christianity.

However, the idea of a God undermines the very purpose of science: To discover natural explanations to natural phenomena through postulation, observation and experimentation. Introducing a god will mean that there are also supernatural explanations for natural phenomena which Science cannot observe, gather evidence of or postulate about. For this reason, god will never be compatible with science.

Also, I found a couple of quotes which pretty much sum up my thoughts about God (quotes make arguments better):
"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan (I love you Carl~~~)

[Bodzilla]

but god can mean a spiritual sense and not a deity in the sky Jelly.

hence why so many people are so fucking backwards on Einstein.

also carl supremecy.
"we are made of star stuff. we are a way for the universe to know itself."
my fav <3

[Joshflighter]

Quick question... Where did our tails go? Lmao.

[thehoodedsmack]

Quick question... Where did our tails go? Lmao.

Quick answer... you still have a tail bone.

[king_nothing_]

and if you fuck up you fucked up and need to bare the consequences of your actions and not put it down to some mysterious plan thats NEVER been coherent or worked out.
All this except jesus and repent your sins and your good to go! bullshit is a dirty get out of jail free card and you all know it.
Anybody who sees repentance as simply a "get out of jail free card" is not truly repenting and is wasting their time. Repentance isn't like a kid muttering a callous "sorry" to his parents in an attempt to get a lesser punishment. You have to truly feel grief deep down for your sins, otherwise it's not really repentance at all.

[Bodzilla]

what about hte countless serial killers and murder's that felt the exact same thing your feeling.
it's a perception of mine nothing more, nothing left and as such holds no scientific benefit..

[ICEE]

Though I am not a religious person, I will never condemn religious people, even when many of them condemn my belief in evolution. There are great amounts of evidence for evolution, and even in the face of all this many religious die hards wont change their minds. Call this ignorance if you want. I mean, really it is. But sometimes thats not really the life religious people choose, but the life they need. Some people just plain need the idea of a god in their lives to accept the world for what it is. A great equalizer of heaven and hell. Some people (consider an old person whose spouse died long ago) need the idea that their loved ones are still out there in some shape or form, and that they can reunite. These people take relief in religion, and in that sense religion has more of a place in our society than evolution ever will. Life is what you make it. The only belief that should ever matter is yours. And that is what I have to say on this issue. take it with an open mind.


but you all do that anyways, right?

[TVTyrant]

thats not what i was stating.

i was stating where ultimately more responsible for our decisions because we cant pass our sins off onto a zombie who died a couple thousand years ago.
Repentance isn't like that. Its symbolism. Jesus is the idea of someone so pure he inspires. I'm not going to way in on if hes 'real or not', but the idea of repentance is that your showing true sorrow for your actions, as Jesus died for all those who would spend eternity in hell. In catholicism, it was first put into the church during the dark ages, when the only people who would repent were serfs, who spent their lives breaking their backs for survival. The idea was to make people lead honest lives, but to make the understanding that people make mistakes, and thus those who do would have something to drop onto.
And as for serial killers making repentance and stuff, its not full repentance. If you believe in the Catholic version of Christianity (FTW!), they'll still burn in purgatory for years.

Though I am not a religious person, I will never condemn religious people, even when many of them condemn my belief in evolution. There are great amounts of evidence for evolution, and even in the face of all this many religious die hards wont change their minds. Call this ignorance if you want. I mean, really it is. But sometimes thats not really the life religious people choose, but the life they need. Some people just plain need the idea of a god in their lives to accept the world for what it is. A great equalizer of heaven and hell. Some people (consider an old person whose spouse died long ago) need the idea that their loved ones are still out there in some shape or form, and that they can reunite. These people take relief in religion, and in that sense religion has more of a place in our society than evolution ever will. Life is what you make it. The only belief that should ever matter is yours. And that is what I have to say on this issue. take it with an open mind.


but you all do that anyways, right?
Exactly. As stated above, religion isn't meant to screw people over. The idea of it stems from people wanting to help other people. While at some points this gets lost from point A to point B, every pastor or priest I've ever met in my life has just wanted to do good for people. I've never met a molester one, btw, so I can't count that in xD

[king_nothing_]

Oh and just to make it clear, when I was talking about repentance in my last post, I wasn't talking about Catholic confession. I was talking about repenting through prayer. Confessing your sins to a guy and doing as many Hail Marys or whatever as he tells you personally does not make sense to me. I'm not Catholic. I'm not any denomination, really. My beliefs aren't set in stone. I'm still figuring things out.

[Maniac]

people need to grow a pair as well as self esteem tbh.

Your responsible for your own actions and the consequences that arive from it.
if you work your ass off and you achieve greater things in life because of it, it doesnt mean you where gifted by the sky-daddy it just means you YOURSELF and yourself alone worked your ass off for it.
Take the glory for yourself.

and if you fuck up you fucked up and need to bare the consequences of your actions and not put it down to some mysterious plan thats NEVER been coherent or worked out.
All this except jesus and repent your sins and your good to go! bullshit is a dirty get out of jail free card and you all know it.

People use the argument that because atheists dont answer to a higher power and we arnt scared of eternal damnation and torture that we have no reason to guide our selves with basic morals.
A bigger load of horse shit has never been spoken.
We are Ultimately responsible for ourselves which is a much stronger guiding influence.

The now, is much more important then the "could's" "maybe's" "If's" and "possibly's".
Take heart in the things you do, guide yourself, control yourself and above all be responsible for yourself.

Marley said it better.



Preacherman, don't tell me,
Heaven is under the earth.
I know you don't know
What life is really worth.
It's not all that glitters is gold;
'Alf the story has never been told:
So now you see the light, eh!
Stand up for your rights. Come on!

Most people think,
Great God will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights. Jah!

Get up, stand up! (Jah, Jah!)
Stand up for your rights! (Oh-hoo!)
Get up, stand up! (Get up, stand up!)
Don't give up the fight! (Life is your right!)
Get up, stand up! (So we can't give up the fight!)
Stand up for your rights! (Lord, Lord!)
Get up, stand up! (Keep on struggling on!)
Don't give up the fight! (Yeah!)

We sick an' tired of-a your ism-skism game -
Dyin' 'n' goin' to heaven in-a Jesus' name, Lord.
We know when we understand:
Almighty God is a living man.
You can fool some people sometimes,
But you can't fool all the people all the time.
So now we see the light (What you gonna do?),
We gonna stand up for our rights! (Yeah, yeah, yeah!)