What now macfags

[=sw=warlord]

Security experts have discovered two novel forms of Mac OS X malware.
OSX/Tored-A - an updated version of the Mac OS Tored worm - and a Trojan called OSX/Jahlav-C... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096822.stm)

I guess those adverts saying macs don't get viruses are now invalid.
Macs maybe based on media editing but porn is the most lucrative media of them all.

[klange]

Sweet. We've reclaimed our position as the only virusless OS appropriate for a desktop environment! Until BSD works on that last part... ~ linux

[Mr Buckshot]

Macs have always suffered from malware, it's just that those creators target Macs far less often than they target PCs, but it doesn't mean no one targets Macs. I remember back in middle school when a virus crashed the entire network of iMacs for the whole day.

[Llama Juice]

lol if you download stuff from a porn site you deserve to get a virus

[LlamaMaster]

lol if you download stuff from a porn site you deserve to get a virus
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, HUH? :mad:

You have to be smart enough to know when you are on an attack site. I mean, it's blatantly obvious 99% of the time

[Sel]

Sweet. We've reclaimed our position as the only virusless OS appropriate for a desktop environment! Until BSD works on that last part... ~ linux

Wait what

I infect linux systems with viruses all the time sir

I will have you know, linux is shit!

[Arteen]

Sweet. We've reclaimed our position as the only virusless OS appropriate for a desktop environment! Until BSD works on that last part... ~ linux
The downside, of course, is that it's linux. :p

From what I understand, there have always been ways to exploit Macs, but not much of a reason to bother. Macs may (or may not) be harder to exploit, but the market share of Windows makes writing viruses for that OS much more 'rewarding'.

[Advancebo]

Step 1 after getting a virus:
Disconnect your computer from the internet.

[Llama Juice]

I find it funny how when there's another virus for the mac it's news, if someone were to say there's a new virus on PCs nobody would give a shit.

[=sw=warlord]

I find it funny how when there's another virus for the mac it's news, if someone were to say there's a new virus on PCs nobody would give a shit.
Conficker :v:

[RecycleBin]

Nobody ever said that macs don't get viruses. They just don't get as many viruses.

[Roostervier]

There is no shortage of commercials that seem to imply that Macs don't get viruses, not to mention an overwhelming majority of Mac using fuckheads who have nothing better to do than flaunt the "fact" around.

[Heathen]

I find it funny how when there's another virus for the mac it's news, if someone were to say there's a new virus on PCs nobody would give a shit.
because supposedly that's one of their positives. The supposed lack of viruses.

The reason there are so few is because no one cares about macs.

[Llama Juice]

Well comparatively... I mean... according to that article there's been around 70 mac viruses... whereas there's how many tens of thousands of viruses for Windows?

[Advancebo]

Just goes to show how much Mac fails. Fail that even a virus doesnt want to be a Mac.

[klange]

At least I have the balls to admit my operating system has had viruses written for it.
Two*. And they were both proof of concepts to force action on security holes. And they worked.

* Legitimate viruses that actually were capable of taking out a system. All others do jack shit and fall under the same category as tracking cookies on your virus scanners.

@Llama: There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of pieces of malware for Windows.
There are ~1000 for Linux, none of which have ever propagated, and far more for OS X, many of which have propagated.

[Bodzilla]

Well comparatively... I mean... according to that article there's been around 70 mac viruses... whereas there's how many tens of thousands of viruses for Windows?
i smell a fanboy :p

[rossmum]

my os is better than yours - retards on the internet, 2009

[RecycleBin]

I use a Unix based OS meaning I am better then all of you. -Rossmum 2009

joking.

But it was only a matter of time before this happened.

[Rook]

Well the only reason macs aren't targeted is because no one uses them... if everyone goes to Macs for that reason I'm pretty sure those will be targeted more often.

~windows supremacy~

[RecycleBin]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/9/f/89f0392526451f73d5bb1da0dedd0022.jpg

[Phopojijo]

Sweet. We've reclaimed our position as the only virusless OS appropriate for a desktop environment! Until BSD works on that last part... ~ linux
Yeah because rootkits were totally named co-incidentally...

[Atty]

You know what the first thing I do when I re-install Windows or set up a Windows machine for the first time is? Install a anti-virus/spyware/adware/etc. You know what the first thing I do when it starts to slow down is? Run one of those programs, if not all.

You know what the first thing I did when I got my Macbook Pro? Installed Firefox. Want to know what I do when it starts to slow down? Well, I'll tell you as soon as I experience a slow down. :)

[Llama Juice]

i smell a fanboy :p

lul as if the thread title wasn't already trying to start a war.

I was just saying that this "news" is silly.

And I happen to own a mac.

Which I like :3

[rossmum]

You know what the first thing I do when I re-install Windows or set up a Windows machine for the first time is? Install a anti-virus/spyware/adware/etc. You know what the first thing I do when it starts to slow down is? Run one of those programs, if not all.
Pretty much the only way you can get something nasty if you're sensible is through previously trustworthy sites which have been hijacked and used as attack platforms (FPSB, looking at you). That rootkit was the only genuinely malicious piece of software I've had for about five years.

[Phopojijo]

Well the only reason macs aren't targeted is because no one uses them... if everyone goes to Macs for that reason I'm pretty sure those will be targeted more often.

~windows supremacy~That's somewhat correct...

Windows came into the market with the mindset that the computer is for your usage and you can do whatever you want with it. Apple came in with that mindset too... Unix (sort of) did not and designed their OS around security.

Windows: Performance enhancements and convenience of lack of "barriers" are now found to be full of security holes... and Microsoft spends a LOT of time trying to make old stuff work -- just not be exploitable. They're becoming secure as the holes disappear or become separated from places the bad guys can access.
**Very profitable because there's a lot of users who simply wouldn't know if they had a virus even IF it was obvious...**

Apple: Performance enhancements and convenience of lack of "barriers" were found to be not secure... so they dumped their OS and let their consumers take the expense of upgrading to a secure OS made by University of California -- Berkley Institute ((BSD))... there were a few shims to allow OS9 software to work, but they're gone shortly after. They've become more secure by telling all their customers to jump from plane to plane while in flight.
**Not very profitable because there's not a lot of users... and the users who are there typically understand a BIT about computers**

BSD/Unix: Pretty much rock solid... few holes here and there but they get fixed fairly quickly.
**Very profitable because while there's not a lot of users... what they're used for is worth a lot**

And guess what...

With all the organized crime?
It's all about profits... virus manufacturers actually have development budgets.


You know what the first thing I do when I re-install Windows or set up a Windows machine for the first time is? Install a anti-virus/spyware/adware/etc. You know what the first thing I do when it starts to slow down is? Run one of those programs, if not all.

You know what the first thing I did when I got my Macbook Pro? Installed Firefox. Want to know what I do when it starts to slow down? Well, I'll tell you as soon as I experience a slow down. :)There's your problem... if you get a virus -- AV software will not clean it. It can get too far into your PC to clean. Reinstall Windows and keep it up to date.

To keep a PC reasonably secure:

-Keep Windows up to date
-Keep a firewall, preferably hardware (read router with only safe ports forwarded and no DMZ)
-Keep a hard-to-guess logon password (vista only... XP and below does not enforce passwords on remote-execution... Windows 7 generates a password for you)
-Don't click on or do anything stupid


Pretty much the only way you can get something nasty if you're sensible is through previously trustworthy sites which have been hijacked and used as attack platforms (FPSB, looking at you). That rootkit was the only genuinely malicious piece of software I've had for about five years.Within reasonable doubt you mean... you can't *prove* that true... otherwise you're terribly complacent.

[MetKiller Joe]

http://defaultprime.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/macs.jpg

It has been posted at least ten times.

Neither Mac nor Linux have many viruses because it isn't profitable, period.

[Phopojijo]

It has been posted at least ten times.

Neither Mac nor Linux have many viruses because it isn't profitable, period.Like I said above, Linux is profitable... hence rootkits... but that's usually in the targeted attack space... not mass infection space.

Windows has the advantage of getting a few million clueless people duped... Linux it's more about like -- targeting one or two clued people.

[klange]

Yeah because rootkits were totally named co-incidentally...
Rootkits were named for Unix, not Linux.
And the meaning's kinda been lost on Windows...

[Bodzilla]

lul as if the thread title wasn't already trying to start a war.

I was just saying that this "news" is silly.

And I happen to own a mac.

Which I like :3

i have a keen nose :P

[Masterz1337]

Fuck Windows, I'm only using OSX once I'm done with halo modding.

[Heathen]

This is how bad it is:
I was about to make a longpost about why mac's are unimportant and how PC has already "won" and then I remembered..."macs are unimportant and PC has already won"

So I deleted it and sent this explaining why I didn't send it.

[=sw=warlord]

Fuck Windows, I'm only using OSX once I'm done with halo modding.
Right...
Well we already knew it was to late to help you with your problem condition so...:party:

[Llama Juice]

the battle between macs vs pcs is just silly, use em both, get both's benefits.

It's like saying that 3Ds Max is entirely useless, so I'm only going to use Maya. They both have their uses, learn both.

[Atty]

the battle between macs vs pcs is just silly, use em both, get both's benefits.

It's like saying that 3Ds Max is entirely useless, so I'm only going to use Maya. They both have their uses, learn both.This is true.

I prefer my Mac for everyday things, chatting, web surfing, music, etc, and my Windows PC for my games (mainly Steam, 360 for everything else) and technical work.

I love the fact that I can put my mac to sleep and open it up 2 hour later on a plane and it works just as well as it did when I had it at home, close it after a few hours on the flight, and open it up once I get to my destination hours afterwords and still have full use. I've never had a Windows Laptop that performed similar. I always had to completely shut them down and restart them. It's got perfect hardware/software relationships becuase they're both put out by the same company. If there was a similar Windows machine I'd probably enjoy it just as much.

Just to point out, I'm not a Mac fanboy nor a PC fanboy, I like them both equally, and invest in both (build my own PC, over pay for my own Mac's.)

[kid908]

LMao i like that last statement Atty.

I find mac with a one button mouse bad. new macs are awesome. still don't like the Upgrade? throw it out!

PC for me since I get more variety of choices to choose from (like I actually choose which one I "buy," parents still alive and still using over last oz. of it as i can so buying cheap computer every few years is working for me right now).

[Warsaw]

The only Mac computer I'd consider getting is one of those new 13" MacBook "Pros," since they cost just a little more than a laptop with similar specs. I play games a lot, so I need a PC, but if I needed a notebook that was light, transportable, and didn't need to play games, I'd get the Mac.

Otherwise, I want this. (http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9850-built-clevo-m980nu-gaming-laptop-order-p-2586.html)

[Heathen]

I might go through the painful and difficult process of getting OSX on my PC.

[leorimolo]

I might go through the painful and difficult process of getting OSX on my PC.
Depends on the computer really, but its rather fun and once you have it working its pretty cool. Intel Pcs make amazing macs (since you know our hardware is probably superior and WAY cheaper)

[Masterz1337]

I might go through the painful and difficult process of getting OSX on my PC.

Best off getting a Mini 9 and putting OSX on it. Everything runs perfect down to the sleep mode, bluetooth, wireless, fn keys, and supposedly even multitouch.

Mine cost me around 560$ total, but you could shave that down to around 400$ if you needed it to be, plus you can save at least 15$ using your student discount.

[Llama Juice]

I find mac with a one button mouse bad. new macs are awesome. still don't like the Upgrade? throw it out.

Most macs don't come with a 1 button mouse anymore... they come with a 3 button mouse (or 5) but it looks like a 1 button mouse.

Or if you were talking about the trackpad on a macbook... put two fingers on the touchpad and hit the button... right click. Sounds weird but after about fourteen seconds you get used to it and love it.

[Warsaw]

Depends on the computer really, but its rather fun and once you have it working its pretty cool. Intel Pcs make amazing macs (since you know our hardware is probably superior and WAY cheaper)

Look at Heathen's specs duder...those are pre-Intel/Apple partnership. He might have a hell of a ride trying to put OSX on that machine.

The best way to put OSX onto any machine is to first have largely compatible hardware, then buy a retail copy and use a bootloader to install. Other methods are available, but the functionality is crippled, i.e. iDeneb, Kalyway, etc.

[Phopojijo]

Most macs don't come with a 1 button mouse anymore... they come with a 3 button mouse (or 5) but it looks like a 1 button mouse.

Or if you were talking about the trackpad on a macbook... put two fingers on the touchpad and hit the button... right click. Sounds weird but after about fourteen seconds you get used to it and love it.Except for it being a trackpad.

Also the Mighty Mouse can only register one button at a time... which is why people stick a standard 3 button mouse in their Mac as soon as they can.

[ICEE]

The newest mac I ever used had a wierd mouse. Granted I never use macs, so i was bound to be confused anyways, but it was really irritating. It had two buttons that seemed to do exactly the same thing, and one "scroll wheel" in the middle. However it wasnt a scroll wheel. It was a ball. the ball did absolutely nothing. I rolled it in hopes of scrolling through long windows, but no luck. Pressing it down did exactly the same thing the other two buttons did. I quickly got sick of that shit and left. Can anyone explain to me exactly what happened?

[Warsaw]

It was a an Apple Mighty Mouse...replace that shit with a Razer Pro 1.6. :caruso: