Hey North Korea. Yeah. You. Shut the fuck up already.

[FRain]

SEOUL, South Korea – South Korea's president ordered his top security officials Sunday to deal "resolutely and squarely" with new North Korean warnings of a nuclear war on the eve of his U.S. visit. In Washington, Vice President Joe Biden said "God only knows" what North Korea wants from the latest showdown.
President Lee Myung-bak travels to Washington on Monday for talks with President Barack Obama that are expected to focus on the North's rogue nuclear and missile programs.
The trip comes after North Korea's Foreign Ministry threatened war with any country that stops its ships on the high seas under new sanctions approved by the U.N. Security Council in response to its May 25 nuclear test.
It also vowed Saturday to "weaponize" all its plutonium and acknowledged a long-suspected uranium enrichment program for the first time. Both plutonium and uranium are key ingredients of atomic bombs.
A commentary published Saturday in the North's state-run Tongil Sinbo weekly claimed the U.S. was deploying a vast number of nuclear weapons in South Korea and Japan.
North Korea "is completely within the range of U.S. nuclear attack and the Korean peninsula is becoming an area where the chances of a nuclear war are the highest in the world," it said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear

Sorry for the jacked formatting.

Discuss.

[klange]

Ug... God damn it, North Korea. No one likes you. Shut up and go away.

[Jean-Luc]

Shut up and go away.
If they actually go ahead and launch an attack, you can bet your ass that's exactly what will happen.

[FRain]

Except their country would just be one giant crater.

[Jean-Luc]

Except their country would just be one giant crater.
That's pretty much what I meant.

[FRain]

Sure you did. I just dramatized it.

[klange]

Mmm... "North Korean Crater", a monument to all the idiots who try to start a nuclear war with the US.

[FRain]

Hope they have some CLEAN nukes because I don't want to be feelin any fallout here.

[TVTyrant]

Im pretty sure there aren't any clean nukes. I think thats a misnomer...

And North Koreas nuclear arsenal is pathetic anyways. Its not like they have H-bombs or anything. They have fucking Little Boy. Seoul would be destroyed, Russia and the US would be very, VERY angry, fuck the hell out of their military, and then let the Asians clean up the mess. N.K. using a nuke is not a strategic option for them.

[Cagerrin]

Hope they have some CLEAN nukes because I don't want to be feelin any fallout here.
Pretty sure you mean kinetic bombardment.

[Longshot]

Im pretty sure there aren't any clean nukes. I think thats a misnomer...

And North Koreas nuclear arsenal is pathetic anyways. Its not like they have H-bombs or anything. They have fucking Little Boy. Seoul would be destroyed, Russia and the US would be very, VERY angry, fuck the hell out of their military, and then let the Asians clean up the mess. N.K. using a nuke is not a strategic option for them.
This. They would be wiped off the face of the Earth. A possible invasion of North Korea I might be able to support - not that the US or any of us could afford it, though.

[Phopojijo]

Im pretty sure there aren't any clean nukes. I think thats a misnomer...Uhm... if you do things like detonate a thermonuke in the air and such -- you can get the fallout VERY VERY minimal. It's not like the Hiroshima days...

Thermonukes aren't about irradiating land with fallout... it's about pure explosive and thermal destruction.

[flibitijibibo]

Taken and modified from my Taliban code (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?p=397109#post397109):


import java.util.Scanner;
public class bombThreat {
static Power axisPower;
static Power superPower = new Power("Super Power", true, false, false);
public static void main(String[] str){
System.out.println("Welcome to the Axis of Evil Threat Interpreter. Written by flibitijibibo");
System.out.println("");
getData();
System.out.println("");
System.out.println("And heeeeeeeeeeeere we go...");
System.out.println("");
interpretThreat();
System.out.println("TEH EDN");
}
public static void getData(){
Scanner sc = new Scanner(System.in);
System.out.println("What country/group is it? Enter its name below:");
String name = sc.nextLine();
System.out.println("Do they have bombs? (\"true\" for yes, \"false\" for no)");
boolean bombs = sc.nextBoolean();
System.out.println("Have they said that they will bomb someone? (\"true\" for yes, \"false\" for no)");
boolean intent = sc.nextBoolean();
System.out.println("Have they attempted to bomb someone? (\"true\" for yes, \"false\" for no)");
boolean bombed = sc.nextBoolean();
axisPower = new Power(name, bombs, intent, bombed);
}
public static void interpretThreat(){
if (axisPower.hasBombs){
if (axisPower.hasBombed){
superPower.counter(axisPower);
superPower.bomb(axisPower);
}
else if (axisPower.saysBomb)
superPower.bomb(axisPower);
}
}
}

public class Power {
public String powerName;
public boolean hasBombs;
public boolean saysBomb;
public boolean hasBombed;
Power(String name, boolean bombs, boolean intent, boolean bombed){
powerName = name;
hasBombs = bombs;
saysBomb = intent;
hasBombed = bombed;
}
public void bomb(Power victim){
System.out.println(powerName + ": " + "See you in hell, " + victim.powerName + ".");
saysBomb = true;
System.out.println("*Launching noise*");
hasBombed = true;
}
public void counter(Power threat){
System.out.println(powerName + ": *Catch bomb* Fuck you, " + threat.powerName + ".");
}
}Though, with North Korea, that "if (axisPower.saysBomb)" would have to point to something like "world.mock(axisPower);", but I don't feel like giving them the dignity of adding that into the code.

[TVTyrant]

Uhm... if you do things like detonate a thermonuke in the air and such -- you can get the fallout VERY VERY minimal. It's not like the Hiroshima days...

Thermonukes aren't about irradiating land with fallout... it's about pure explosive and thermal destruction.
They dont have thermonuclear bombs though. They have Plutonium based Atomic bombs. Think Fat Man.

[n00b1n8R]

How much of a milatery does NK have?
I know they've got the terrain to hold their own (for a time) but is any of their kit particularly modern?

If it came to taking them out, I'd much rather see a clean removal of their government (or even an invasion) over nuking them. Nuclear wars don't do anybody much good and (to my mind anyway) making them a more commonly used weapon would be one of the worst things you could possibly do (minutes to midnight anyone?).

[neuro]

the world needs another good war.

not a pussy-war like in the middle east, i'm talking a PROPER war.

[L0d3x]

the world needs another good war.

not a pussy-war like in the middle east, i'm talking a PROPER war.

STFU man. I don't care if you were being sarcastic or not.

[neuro]

I'm sorry, i wasn't aware that i wasn't allowed to post my personal opinion on these public forums. after all, i do recall reading a certain agreement when i registered here, and i was unable to find any specific indication that it is against the rules, or acceptable posting policy that i, or in fact, anyone else is not allowed to post their opinion about any topic whatsoever. However, should you feel the need to discuss my opinion in greater detail, i'm all open for a little debate about any topic in general.

[p0lar_bear]

the world needs another good war.

not a pussy-war like in the middle east, i'm talking a PROPER war.

Not really, given the current state of the world's economy.

[neuro]

Good point, though history would claim otherwise. Fire up the warmachine, convert car-plants gone bankrupt to war-plants, and you've got a heap of jobs for people. heck, the converting alone would yield a good amount of jobs. It would go a lot further than just jobs in the tank-manufacturing for example though.

[L0d3x]

I'm sorry, i wasn't aware that i wasn't allowed to post my personal opinion on these public forums. after all, i do recall reading a certain agreement when i registered here, and i was unable to find any specific indication that it is against the rules, or acceptable posting policy that i, or in fact, anyone else is not allowed to post their opinion about any topic whatsoever. However, should you feel the need to discuss my opinion in greater detail, i'm all open for a little debate about any topic in general.

Alright then, please go ahead and explain why the world needs another REAL WAR, and not a PUSSY WAR like in the middel east.

Honestly, you seem to have no idea what horrors war brings with it.

[SnaFuBAR]

I'm sure you do because you've been there right? You're no more well informed than anyone, Lodex.

I can see neuro's point about a real war. The horrors of massive scale wars reminds us (or would) of the use of diplomacy rather than direct action.

[neuro]

Nowadays, people search for any kind of bad news like flies looking for some shit to engorge themselves on. people have a craving for bad news almost. why do you think so many people actually WATCH fox, it's not because it's accurate news, it's because they blow everything out of proportion, btut hey give people what they want, bad news, worse news.

Intolerance and disrespect and crime everywhere.
The amount of sheer inhumanism in this area is disgusting.
Neighbors don't even trust each other. fathers, murdering their kids, kids shooting each other in the streets, in school.

ask yourself, what is freedom, if you can't even walk over street at night without being afraid. what is freedom if you basically can get shot/stabbed/mugged/spat/etc at every street corner.
what is freedom, if everyone is free to make other people's life miserable in any way.
what is freedom, if everyone is free to shoot anyone they like.
that's no freedom, that's IDIOCY!

War unifies.
war cleanses.
war gives people/countries a fresh start.

yes, war is horrible and terrible.
so why do we still wage wars? why can't we all just get along?
it's obvious people have a craving for war.

if this world were to get in a proper war, maybe people would wake the fuck up, and see what's going on.

this world is slipping down a shithole, which it refuses to get out of because everyone is so comfy in their habits and pseudo-happiness.

I'm afraid this post did end up going slightly off track, but i think it still expresses my opinion, and why i feel the way i do fairly.

your turn.

edit:
Just for clarity, i don't condone war in any way.
I'm just saying, a good war will clean stuff up, and we're in dire need of some cleaning up.

more edit: i don't mind raking in the neg-rep here, but sheesh, why all the insulting and profanity.

[L0d3x]

I'm sure you do because you've been there right? You're no more well informed than anyone, Lodex.

I can see neuro's point about a real war. The horrors of massive scale wars reminds us (or would) of the use of diplomacy rather than direct action.

Did you consider that perhaps I may have relatives who fought in the war, and told me their stories? I guess you didn't eh...so please quit making assumptions.

Neuro, I agree that war does unify. It's also great for technological advancement etc. Though it won't stop street corner murders, kids killing their parents, etc...

I don't know about where you live, but where I'm at, people do trust each other. Nobody here lives in fear of getting stabbed or whatever.

[SnaFuBAR]

maybe you didn't consider the fact that there are many people who have heard war stories from relatives who served in the second world war, vietnam, korea, and the likes? you're not as exclusively informed as you're making yourself out to be. not trying to be an ass, but if you're going to make a post about knowing about the horrors of war, try not to sound so assertive that someone couldn't know the horrors of warfare from a post on the internet. Anyone with a basic history education knows some significant horrors of war. The knowledge is pretty broad with everyone. You know no more about it from hearing stories than someone having read a book or watching the military/history channel with war survivors.

even if you've had a life-or-death situation between yourself and an aggressor you're hard pressed to say you even really know the horror of war and all that goes with it.

[L0d3x]

maybe you didn't consider the fact that there are many people who have heard war stories from relatives who served in the second world war, vietnam, korea, and the likes? you're not as exclusively informed as you're making yourself out to be. not trying to be an ass, but if you're going to make a post about knowing about the horrors of war, try not to sound so assertive that someone couldn't know the horrors of warfare from a post on the internet. Anyone with a basic history education knows some significant horrors of war. The knowledge is pretty broad with everyone. You know no more about it from hearing stories than someone having read a book or watching the military/history channel with war survivors.

even if you've had a life-or-death situation between yourself and an aggressor you're hard pressed to say you even really know the horror of war and all that goes with it.

You like to look into posts a little too deep don't you. I did not make a post about "knowing the horrors of war", I made a post saying that someone who does know these, would never wish for another proper war. Ask any old war veteran.

But I know how you can drag these things way off topic, and like to imply things that support your argument. So I'm just going to drop this here.

Neuro elaborated his original post,and this discussion about who knows the horrors of war is no longer relevant.

[=sw=warlord]

Lodex, i personaly know someone who is currently in a military who feels the same as neuro, he may be slightly morbid but he does have a point, everyone is complaining about petty crime, their complaining about the resession but lets put it this way, what is the easiest way of getting money flowing from the big wigs? weapons themselves arnt exactly cheap nor in the ammo.
And with the real prospect of danger to then selves and their friends humans start to try to help each other out instead of saying "oh that guy looks funny because hes got slanted eyes, lets mug him"

I seriously hope your not trying to pull off what i think your trying to because i've had the same old stories but from a grandmother of mine who saw the end of 2 centuries, the begining of a whole new millenium and lives through both great wars to tell the tale about them so i would say she had alot more experience with war than alot of people.

I will agree war is a horrible thing and war is by no means the perfect escape for what is going on currently, you want a great big crater? wait untill the large hadron collider is finished and see if it goes bang or not.

[L0d3x]

I don't know what you mean with "what I'm trying to pull off"...

I agree though that a common threat will somewhat unite people, though I find it frustrating that young lads have to give their life to achieve such a goal. And tbh, petty crimes would of course still exist. And what happens after another big war? It's all a bit of a vicious circle I think.

[Sel]

That's pretty much what I meant.

It'd be preferable at this point.

God damn they're gay

[rossmum]

How much of a milatery does NK have?
I know they've got the terrain to hold their own (for a time) but is any of their kit particularly modern?
They have one of the largest standing armies in the world and they're absolute fanatics; they're decked out with old Russian kit, but don't forget that old Russian kit is practically indestructible and does what it says on the box.

Basically, should they decide to invade the South again, there is absolutely nothing anybody could do short of nuking them which could stop them.


Not really, given the current state of the world's economy.
WWII.

As for war... I'm sure as hell not hoping for one - particularly one with a country that gives no fuck about anything or anyone but itself, and has nukes - but neuro makes a point. Virtually every war since the Korean War has been either a localised conflict or some huge army trying to curb-stomp a bunch of angry guerillas with booby traps and old equipment, and then running off with their tails between their legs (Vietnam) or getting bogged down with no clear opening for an exit (Iraq, Afghanistan). While progress is being made in the latter two, soldiers are still dying. That'll do me for 'bogged down'.

IF another war HAD to happen, I agree, it should be a proper war. One where we know who the fuck we're fighting and can trust our friends not to turn out to be our enemies the next day. One where overwhelming firepower and superior training actually makes the blindest bit of difference. One which is clearly justified and easily understood. WWII was bloody horrible but look at the way it united countries which were in the depths of political and economic strife and gave them a common purpose. Look at the way tech rocketed along - thanks to WWII, we have the computer, the jet fighter, the guided munition, radar, sonar, spacecraft, and stealth bombers. We were fighting for a side that was plainly right (even if they employed questionable methods at times), we knew who was fucking who, and even though it dragged on for six years, it had a definite start and end point.

Compare that to these shitty modern wars where inordinate amounts of people die for no particularly good reason and nothing is learned. Which do you prefer?

[TVTyrant]

I'd prefer if we didn't have either tbh Ross. If that were a choice, I think everyone would take it.
But if I had to pick between the two, I'd definitely pick WWII over Iraq.

[rossmum]

You're preaching to the choir, since it'd directly affect me

[TVTyrant]

You're preaching to the choir, since it'd directly affect me
This whole thing IS completely infuriating though. I hope it doesn't happen, but we all know that KJI's going to pull some stupid crazy shit, and its gonna hit the fan. At this point, I dont think its speculation: Its gonna happen.

[=sw=warlord]

This whole thing IS completely infuriating though. I hope it doesn't happen, but we all know that KJI's going to pull some stupid crazy shit, and its gonna hit the fan. At this point, I dont think its speculation: Its gonna happen.
reason tells me within the next 3 or so years, something is going to happen and north korea will either pull some stunt to get attention or something will be said and feathers will fly.

[nooBBooze]

I think Kim Jong Il is a pretty cool guy eh kidnaps and starves director to make godzilla film and doesn't afraid of anything.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4299325314122049461

I take it it's not piracy if the IP holder is NK.

[RecycleBin]

Attention whores.

[Jean-Luc]

I think Kim Jong Il is a pretty cool guy eh kidnaps and starves director to make godzilla film and doesn't afraid of anything.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4299325314122049461

I take it it's not piracy if the IP holder is NK.

That was made in 2007? :ohdear:

[Cojafoji]

Lemme throw a couple things out into the ring here...

Clean bombs: The thought of an 'E' bomb back in the sixties and seventies was kind of like the holy grail in weapons research. Kill all of the humans, but leave the industrial infrastructure intact. That's why bio-weapons have been so heavily developed. Until we realized that it'd be a lot harder to control than it would have been when travel was so limited in, oh say, world war 2.

A full scale war: Is great for the economy. It creates jobs, and we'd probably be utilizing all of those empty factories in Detroit within four months of our entry into a full blown world conflict.

The downside to a full scale war, I mean, besides the obvious billions of casualties that would ensue (and it would be in the billions), it garners a lot of hate, not to mention a survivalist mentality (kill them all or be killed), and that can be kind of dangerous.

L0dex, before you jump down my throat, I know what war is all about. My grandfather brought home pictures of the American POW's in Japanese hands. I still remember the picture of the man who was decapitated with his removed genitalia stuffed into his mouth. Trying stuff.

As for nuking Korea? Do it.

[klange]

I think we should nuke them from orbit.

Just so we can say we've nuked someone from orbit.

Remember, it's the only way you can be sure.

[Cojafoji]

I think we should nuke them from orbit.

Just so we can say we've nuked someone from orbit.

Remember, it's the only way you can be sure.
MEN! Break out the LOIC.

[PopeAK49]

the world needs another good war.

not a pussy-war like in the middle east, i'm talking a PROPER war.

Ya well my cousin just died in this so called pussy war 2 years ago. It's to bad he couldn't fight in a good war, right asshole?

[TVTyrant]

Good point, though history would claim otherwise. Fire up the warmachine, convert car-plants gone bankrupt to war-plants, and you've got a heap of jobs for people. heck, the converting alone would yield a good amount of jobs. It would go a lot further than just jobs in the tank-manufacturing for example though.
If you think this is true, then join the military and tell them.

[ultama121]

Jesus, Kim Jong Il is a fucking crazy bastard.

[Boba]

Ya well my cousin just died in this so called pussy war 2 years ago. It's to bad he couldn't fight in a good war, right asshole?
My grandfather died in the second world war defending his country, and your cousin died occupying a failed state.

There's a bit of difference there.

:mech:However, I do respect any person that serves to defend their country, regardless of where they're fighting

[=sw=warlord]

Ya well my cousin just died in this so called pussy war 2 years ago. It's to bad he couldn't fight in a good war, right asshole?
Your cousin joined the military knowing full well what could happen.
No one here killed your cousin so don't go looking here to troll...
I feel the same as many others, the iraq war is pretty much a game of ping pong against a world war which is like a day long game of chess.

[jngrow]

My grandfather died in the second world war defending his country, and your cousin died occupying a failed state.

There's a bit of difference there.

:mech:

There's no evidence to suggest that your grandfather or his cousion was any more or less educated in their decision on joining the army. Yeah, I see the ninja, and regardless of the possible unseriousness of the post, it still doesn't really nullify what you are implying (because there are people out there who will take this shit seriously), that one person is worth less or more as a human being than the other, and IMO that's not cool. At the same time, I don't think that's what you really mean anyways.


ANYWAYS, regardless, if North Korea tries any bullshit, I think it's safe to say the world will FUCK THEM UP.

[PopeAK49]

My grandfather died in the second world war defending his country, and your cousin died occupying a failed state.

There's a bit of difference there.

:mech:However, I do respect any person that serves to defend their country, regardless of where they're fighting

How did your grandfather die? You don't have to answer if it's too personal, but my grandfather is still alive and fought in WW2. Sad thing is that his health isn't to great and he probably won't make it to July 4th. Where did your grandfather fight btw?

'
Crap and guess what's the closest major city for North Korea to launch missiles. Anchorage, Alaska :eek:. I better dig my bomb shelter.

[SnaFuBAR]

How did your grandfather die? You don't have to answer if it's too personal, but my grandfather is still alive and fought in WW2. Sad thing is that his health isn't to great and he probably won't make it to July 4th. Where did your grandfather fight btw?

'
Crap and guess what's the closest major city for North Korea to launch missiles. Anchorage, Alaska :eek:. I better dig my bomb shelter.

actually iirc they're probably more interested in wiping out Seoul, not alaska.

[Boba]

Honestly I don't know how he died, but I know he was in the SS and fell during the Ardennes Offensive.

[=sw=warlord]

actually iirc they're probably more interested in wiping out Seoul, not alaska.
yeah...especialy since the koreans seem to like their fish.

[Xetsuei]

Honestly I don't know how he died, but I know he was in the SS and fell during the Ardennes Offensive.

So he was fighting for the Germans?

...

[Terry]

Nowadays, people search for any kind of bad news like flies looking for some shit to engorge themselves on. people have a craving for bad news almost. why do you think so many people actually WATCH fox, it's not because it's accurate news, it's because they blow everything out of proportion, btut hey give people what they want, bad news, worse news.

Intolerance and disrespect and crime everywhere.
The amount of sheer inhumanism in this area is disgusting.
Neighbors don't even trust each other. fathers, murdering their kids, kids shooting each other in the streets, in school.

ask yourself, what is freedom, if you can't even walk over street at night without being afraid. what is freedom if you basically can get shot/stabbed/mugged/spat/etc at every street corner.
what is freedom, if everyone is free to make other people's life miserable in any way.
what is freedom, if everyone is free to shoot anyone they like.
that's no freedom, that's IDIOCY!

War unifies.
war cleanses.
war gives people/countries a fresh start.

yes, war is horrible and terrible.
so why do we still wage wars? why can't we all just get along?
it's obvious people have a craving for war.

if this world were to get in a proper war, maybe people would wake the fuck up, and see what's going on.

this world is slipping down a shithole, which it refuses to get out of because everyone is so comfy in their habits and pseudo-happiness.

I'm afraid this post did end up going slightly off track, but i think it still expresses my opinion, and why i feel the way i do fairly.

your turn.

edit:
Just for clarity, i don't condone war in any way.
I'm just saying, a good war will clean stuff up, and we're in dire need of some cleaning up.

more edit: i don't mind raking in the neg-rep here, but sheesh, why all the insulting and profanity.

LMFAO. You sound just like Pain from Naruto.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/436/06/ and onwards is just him sounding just like you, especially page 11 onward.

[Sel]

Oh you mean like

-WrUroSPpjo

Also who negged that post lol..

[Maniac]

I see a lot of westerners who wanna kill people because they are scared of what might happen.

[L0d3x]

Honestly I don't know how he died, but I know he was in the SS and fell during the Ardennes Offensive.

My canadian grandpa flew some bomber in over Keulen I believe, and was part of the lucky 50 percent that survived the offense.

Ardennes, is so close to where I'm at. It gives me goose bumps to see the pieceful terrain there and to imagine what occured there all those years ago.

[PwN Lone]

Well, if war breaks out, it isn't gonna last long.

[kid908]

War with North Korea... I think is a total, in a strategic sense, utterly stupid. Tsu Bomba anyone (yes i know that's a USSR bomb but...)? 50 MEGA TONNE payload and is the cleanest Nuclear Weapon detonated. That thing would literally erase that peninsula off the face of the map. On the other hand, we would also issue South Korea a Death Sentence. I think that's what North Korea has an upper hand on. I think we really can't use nuclear weapon on them, but our missiles can do the job.

[Maniac]

Honestly its really got fuck all to do with us, let Russia, China and Japan figure it out.

[Sel]

Yes, let the commies do it.

[kid908]

-.- Japan isn't communist. And what's wrong with communism?

[Sel]

-.- Japan isn't communist. And what's wrong with communism?

I'm quite aware japan isn't communist, but they're not going to do shit all anyway.

The other two countries are, and both are shining examples of why communism doesn't work.

[klange]

I'm quite aware japan isn't communist, but they're not going to do shit all anyway.

The other two countries are, and both are shining examples of why communism doesn't work.
But neither of them are actual examples of Communism :confused2:

[rossmum]

Yes, let the commies do it.
actually neither of them like nk at all these days

[Sel]

actually neither of them like nk at all these days

I didn't say they did lol.

[PopeAK49]

Isn't Cuba still a communist country?

[kid908]

Isn't Cuba still a communist country?
a dieing communist country.

[English Mobster]

Wait. Isn't Russia capitalist now? I swear I read somewhere that it became democratic after the fall of the Soviet Union...

Excuse my ignorance if I'm wrong.

[rossmum]

Yeah.

[neuro]

democratic != kapitalist.

[ICEE]

Honestly its really got fuck all to do with us, let Russia, China and Japan figure it out.
Aren't we still Japan's military anyways?

[TeeKup]

Japan as the Japan Self Defense Force (JSDF).

"The "Japan Self-Defense Forces" (自衛隊, Jieitai?), or JSDF, occasionally referred to as JSF or SDF, are the military forces in Japan that were established after the end of the post-World War II US occupation of Japan. For most of the post-war period the forces were confined to the islands of Japan and not permitted to be deployed abroad. In recent years, they have been engaged in international peacekeeping operations.[2] Recent tensions, particularly with North Korea[3] have reignited the debate over the status of the SDF and its relation to society."

The way the current situation looks I'm all for Japan having its own independent military again, and not just some defense force. Japan is one of our major allies anyway, I don't think things can go sour between us anytime soon, so why not. Let them have the rest of their identity back.

[Sel]

gundams beating the shit out of north korea would be awesome

[TeeKup]

That it would.

[English Mobster]

I agree. Let Japan have their military back. They pose no threat to us anymore, why do we still repress them?

[klange]

Japan is totally capable of making a robot army to take out NK with. Let them.

[Warsaw]

I agree. Let Japan have their military back. They pose no threat to us anymore, why do we still repress them?

Because they are racist to the point of making non-Japanese have special license plates to distinguish them and upper echelons still bear a lot of resentment for getting owned in 1945? There's a kind of superiority complex going on in Japan. Give it a couple more decades, and then we'll probably let them have full independence again.

[SnaFuBAR]

Honestly its really got fuck all to do with us, let Russia, China and Japan figure it out.

iirc we are allied with south korea and have troops stationed there soooo....

[=sw=warlord]

Because they are racist to the point of making non-Japanese have special license plates to distinguish them and upper echelons still bear a lot of resentment for getting owned in 1945? There's a kind of superiority complex going on in Japan. Give it a couple more decades, and then we'll probably let them have full independence again.
The japanese i talk to don't seem to be racist infact their very anti racist sooo...:bunchies:

[Huero]

japanese society is still fairly xenophobic
give them time, they'll get over it

[sevlag]

Anchorage, Alaska :eek:. I better dig my bomb shelter.

>insert fallout 3 joke/pun/reference here<

im sorry, i couldn't help pointing this out seeing as if they invaded or bombed Anchorage, we'd have to send dudes in power armor to kick their asses xD

and yes i know in Fo3 it was communist china

[PopeAK49]

Why did you change my 49 to 47? Meh, I never played Fallout 3, but I heard parts of it from friends like the new Anchorage expansion thing or w/e.

[sevlag]

Why did you change my 49 to 47? Meh, I never played Fallout 3, but I heard parts of it from friends like the new Anchorage expansion thing or w/e.
well because i couldn't find the original quote and yeah...sorry for the name mess up :\

and anchorage is the first one, kinda ol by know but it was a fun add-on

[PopeAK49]

It's okay. Damn that would suck if a communist china took over Alaska.

[sevlag]

It's okay. Damn that would suck if a communist china took over Alaska.
thats why the US would build THIS:

http://video.xfire.com/42686-1.jpg

liberty prime

[kid908]

nah we don't need japan to have its own army. just take some scientists back (not that hard to find in japan i bet) and allow them to make gundams on American soil under our all so watchful eyes.

[Cojafoji]

Flaming, I'll wire you 10 bucks if you lock this thread. Seriously.

[Heathen]

quit being a pussy korea. Nuke me.

What coja said

[Maniac]

iirc we are allied with south korea and have troops stationed there soooo....
soooo, maybe get your troops the hell out of there.
Im sure they have allies closer and more directly involved, and if not, they better fucking make some, soon.

[SnaFuBAR]

Yeah that's really reasonable thing to do politically with an ally.

Sup guys I know we've been keeping diplomatic relations and helping enforce the DMZ and being a deterrent ever since we liberated Seoul in the 50's, but um, peace the fuck out, bai!

[Maniac]

Yep thats exactly what you should do.

[rossmum]

The japanese i talk to don't seem to be racist infact their very anti racist sooo...:bunchies:
Yes, because I am sure that a few people from more or less the exact same demographic are an accurate representation of the population as a whole!

None of the Japanese people I know are racist, but I've witnessed myself the aforementioned superiority complex in action and it is by no means rare. Aside from that, I really don't see how we should give them 'the rest of their identity' back when the overwhelming majority still fervently deny the atrocities committed in their POW camps against not just soldiers, but women and children - and that's not even considering what was done to China.


Yep thats exactly what you should do.
Please be kidding.

[SnaFuBAR]

Yep thats exactly what you should do.

Are you French? You're French.

[Maniac]

Yes i am obviously French, as my avatar would suggest.

[PwN Lone]

I've got one action to sum up this page, this topic, and NK.

*facepalm*

[rossmum]

Yes i am obviously French, as my avatar would suggest.
I think that was a shining example of mockery rather than a statement of belief...

[Maniac]

I know what it was.
It was a poke at a people who would rather exhaust every other avenue rather than go to war.
Generally i dislike the port blocking French but they do make sense at times.

[rossmum]

The problem is that the US now has an obligation to help the ROK. Whether it's truly any of their business or not is no longer a valid subject for debate, as the deed has been done and they are now stuck there. To suddenly withdraw right as NK starts rattling its cage would be a diplomatic nightmare, and would not only lose the friendship of the ROK but also many other countries who would feel like they could no longer trust the US. To stay would mean potentially getting very much involved in another war. Either way, it's a pretty grim situation, but there's nothing much anyone can do. NK has put the world in a pretty helpless position, because there's not really any opportunity at all to go sort their shit out if they start brandishing nukes and hinting at future acts of aggression.

[Maniac]

Good points, and i agree withdrawal now is not really an option.
America should concentrate on making sure that missile defense thing works.

[UrKungFuSux]

Nuke the bastards. Who gives a shit. Nobody has their back (as far as I know), and most of the world would be very pleased with the removal of the pain in the ass known as North Korea.

@Whoever said Communism is good, I question your economic understanding as well as your common sense.
Not that I'm against sharing, but it's something that will not work on a large scale.

[Jean-Luc]

Communism is one of those things that sounds good on paper, but fails miserably in practice.

[rossmum]

Nuke the bastards. Who gives a shit. Nobody has their back (as far as I know), and most of the world would be very pleased with the removal of the pain in the ass known as North Korea.

@Whoever said Communism is good, I question your economic understanding as well as your common sense.
Not that I'm against sharing, but it's something that will not work on a large scale.
I'm sure Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, and most of Southeast Asia will be real fucking happy with the fallout!

Christ, I hope you never get into any position of power or responsibility.

[RecycleBin]

That was a pretty stupid thing to say. Not you ross.
Besides, I doubt we would fire off some nukes again seeing as though what happened the first time.

[Cojafoji]

Yeah, so about how a Japanese news agency is saying that N. Korea may be launching a 'test' missle in the general direction of Hawaii.

Hard hitting stuff.

If they did, they'd be going way past the generally established precedent of international nuclear brinkmanship. Not sure if the USSR was even ballsy enough to do that.

[RecycleBin]

They said something about that on my local news.
It said if they make minor adjustments it could reach san fransisco.

[Cojafoji]

They said something about that on my local news.
It said if they make minor adjustments it could reach san fransisco.
not really. their missiles are said to only have a capable range of 4000-4500 miles. san francisco is like 5k.

[UrKungFuSux]

I'm sure Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, and most of Southeast Asia will be real fucking happy with the fallout!

Christ, I hope you never get into any position of power or responsibility.

Fall out= radioactivity, right? I don't know much about radiation and whatnot, but out of curiosity, how many nukes would it take for the fall out to reach aforementioned countries? (If the nuke landed in the center mass of North Korea.)

[Jean-Luc]

You'd really only need one with a wind to carry the radiation, which could easily sicken/kill a large amount of people.

With respect though, I'd advise you learn about the subject matter at hand before blurting out what you said on the previous page.

[Needles]

Communism is one of those things that sounds good on paper, but fails miserably in practice.

If you can provide everyone enough money for a decent standard of living that meets everyone's need, is very fair/equal, and provides a decent amounts of their wants with no corruption or dictators then you have something that works...but that won't happen.

[UrKungFuSux]

You'd really only need one with a wind to carry the radiation, which could easily sicken/kill a large amount of people.

With respect though, I'd advise you learn about the subject matter at hand before blurting out what you said on the previous page.

My apologies.

[PenGuin1362]

I don't think anyone realizes if we go to war with korea, we'll find our selves in the same situation we did 50 years ago. We pushed NK back so far all they had left was china. China didn't like that so they pushed the US all the way the hell back to SK (the short of it). And seeing as how china isn't exactly on poor terms with NK atm, it would be in our best interest to avoid another conflict with NK.

[FRain]

Fall out= radioactivity, right? I don't know much about radiation and whatnot, but out of curiosity, how many nukes would it take for the fall out to reach aforementioned countries? (If the nuke landed in the center mass of North Korea.)


Fallout = radioactive ash that falls from the sky after a nuke is detonated. Basically, the nuke irradiates anything that is granular (or something like that), irradiates it, brings it into the atmosphere, and then drops it back down later. It spreads radially so it kinda pisses some people off.


They said something about that on my local news.
It said if they make minor adjustments it could reach san fransisco.

Also, their nukes are cheap rip offs of the Topol Russian series, and have failed so far at every test launch that there has been in the past 4 years. (1 in 2006, two in 2009)

[rossmum]

It only spreads radially in theory. In practice, it spreads whichever way the wind blows it.

I should also state that their missiles are by no means an accurate representation of the Topol series in terms of reliability. Topols work. Taepo-Dongs or whatever they're called aren't so dependable.

[=sw=warlord]

I don't think anyone realizes if we go to war with korea, we'll find our selves in the same situation we did 50 years ago. We pushed NK back so far all they had left was china. China didn't like that so they pushed the US all the way the hell back to SK (the short of it). And seeing as how china isn't exactly on poor terms with NK atm, it would be in our best interest to avoid another conflict with NK.
Even china is getting pissed off at north korea, as far as i know, the only reason their friends with north korea is that if it imploded all the koreans would jump boarders to china and china is already over populated as it is.
All the USA needs to do is detonate a hydrogen bomb in the atmosphere and hope the EMP has a big enough radius to knock out all of north koreas electronics.
Send them back to the stone age as far as electronics goes.

[Ifafudafi]

We don't need to go all the way and nuke NK, we just need to go in and bitch slap them around a bit to show 'em they're not as tough as they'd like to think. An occupational force or merely a forced shutdown of their nuclear reactors and missile silos would do the trick easily.

[FRain]

It only spreads radially in theory. In practice, it spreads whichever way the wind blows it.

I should also state that their missiles are by no means an accurate representation of the Topol series in terms of reliability. Topols work. Taepo-Dongs or whatever they're called aren't so dependable.


That's why i used the term "cheap rip offs" :)

[rossmum]

Even china is getting pissed off at north korea, as far as i know, the only reason their friends with north korea is that if it imploded all the koreans would jump boarders to china and china is already over populated as it is.
All the USA needs to do is detonate a hydrogen bomb in the atmosphere and hope the EMP has a big enough radius to knock out all of north koreas electronics.
Send them back to the stone age as far as electronics goes.
wow that'd make a huge difference to anything other than the ruling few!!!


We don't need to go all the way and nuke NK, we just need to go in and bitch slap them around a bit to show 'em they're not as tough as they'd like to think. An occupational force or merely a forced shutdown of their nuclear reactors and missile silos would do the trick easily.
good luck getting a force large enough into nk without them doing something rash or just generally fighting tooth-and-nail

[Xetsuei]

All the USA needs to do is detonate a hydrogen bomb in the atmosphere and hope the EMP has a big enough radius to knock out all of north koreas electronics.
Send them back to the stone age as far as electronics goes.

LOL

That's a great idea!

[Dwood]

All the USA needs to do is detonate a hydrogen bomb in the atmosphere and hope the EMP has a big enough radius to knock out all of north koreas electronics.
Send them back to the stone age as far as electronics goes.

If you didn't know, most of North Koreans don't have electronics. Just as many don't own cars. fact. of. life.

In the end, because China is a commie gvt. NO ONE can say who the Chinese are backing until the very end when their real colors have to show.

[FRain]

A decent sized EMP can knock out power for a pretty good chunk of the east coast, I'm sure it can knock out north korea's technology.

[Xetsuei]

The big problem with that is (besides fallout of the bomb) you'd knock out a lot more than just North Korea's electronics.

[Cojafoji]

Xets right. If you detonate an hbomb in the athmosphere, you'd probably take out a big portion of it. Ever heard of that meteor strike in siberia? the one with a 100 mile crater or what not? yeah, same size.

[TVTyrant]

My four part plan:
1.Wait for them to do more tests
2.Bomb the test centers (missile launch centers, nuclear powerplants, etc.)
3.Make this face :|
4.Profit

[=sw=warlord]

The big problem with that is (besides fallout of the bomb) you'd knock out a lot more than just North Korea's electronics.
If the detonation was in the higher atmosphere the majority of thw radiations would be help in orbit in a radiation belt.
Unless of course all the articles on this that i've read and watched are all wrong.

[PenGuin1362]

Even china is getting pissed off at north korea, as far as i know, the only reason their friends with north korea is that if it imploded all the koreans would jump boarders to china and china is already over populated as it is.
All the USA needs to do is detonate a hydrogen bomb in the atmosphere and hope the EMP has a big enough radius to knock out all of north koreas electronics.
Send them back to the stone age as far as electronics goes.


Wrong. China literally controls NK. They supply them with food, among a million other things. In order to stop North Korea, all that has to happen is for china to cut of trade with korea. China is basically NK's life source. If china was so pissed at them they would have done that already.

[=sw=warlord]

Wrong. China literally controls NK. They supply them with food, among a million other things. In order to stop North Korea, all that has to happen is for china to cut of trade with korea. China is basically NK's life source. If china was so pissed at them they would have done that already.
Oh right... (http://www.cfr.org/publication/11097/)
"China is North Korea's most important ally, biggest trading partner, and main source of food, arms, and fuel. In the hope of avoiding regime collapse and an uncontrolled influx of refugees across its 800-mile border with North Korea"
That's exactly what i said penguin.

[rossmum]

I don't think many of you grasp just what the situation is.

If you try and attack their missile sites, you've just performed an act of war and pity bloody help you if you missed any.

If you try to knock out their electronics, it will make bugger all difference to anyone but KJI and his buddies. Few North Korean civilians have electricity and it'd take more than that to put their military out of commission. Soviet gear is more reliable than American gear under adverse conditions because it's simple, and there are backup systems for virtually everything. The MiG-29 uses mechanical control rather than fly-by wire, for instance, so it would be unaffected. An American plane is in serious trouble if all the electronic systems fail.

If you invade overland, you not only risk them doing something extremely rash, but you also risk getting whooped by their far larger army. It makes no difference that they're not that well-trained or that they're equipped with 50s and 60s Eastern Bloc equipment, they have sheer numbers and the terrain to work with.

Assassinating KJI will simply create a power vacuum which may well end up being more dangerous than an all-out attack.

[Xetsuei]

If the detonation was in the higher atmosphere the majority of thw radiations would be help in orbit in a radiation belt.
Unless of course all the articles on this that i've read and watched are all wrong.

You completely ignore the main thing I was talking about, the electro magnetic pulse. Good job reading the parenthesis and nothing else.

[Ifafudafi]

I was being sarcastic about the bitch-slapping thing :gonk:

As it is, it's merely a matter of who's going to shoot first, if at all. NK shoots, they're wiped off the map; anyone else shoots (see: U.S.), they risk an open global conflict, something we want to avoid at all costs, even if it means letting NK make a dick out of itself. My personal theory is that KJI's about to kick it and hand the throne over to his son, so he wants to go out in a blaze of glory. What he doesn't seem to realize is that the second he goes beyond ambiguous "tests" and makes a blatant attack on foreign soil, there won't be a country left to hand over.

He's like the little kid on the school playground who tries his best to convince everyone he's the toughest guy around; when they keep ignoring him, he resorts to more drastic methods. Let's just hope they don't get too drastic.

[TVTyrant]

I was being sarcastic about the bitch-slapping thing :gonk:

As it is, it's merely a matter of who's going to shoot first, if at all. NK shoots, they're wiped off the map; anyone else shoots (see: U.S.), they risk an open global conflict, something we want to avoid at all costs, even if it means letting NK make a dick out of itself. My personal theory is that KJI's about to kick it and hand the throne over to his son, so he wants to go out in a blaze of glory. What he doesn't seem to realize is that the second he goes beyond ambiguous "tests" and makes a blatent attack on foreign soil, there won't be a country left to hand over.

He's like the little kid on the school playground who tries his best to convice everyone he's the toughest guy around; when they keep ignoring him, he resorts to more drastic methods. Let's just hope they don't get too drastic.
This guy's got the right idea. I've said it before, if they hit someone else first, they wont be fucking with America, they'll be fucking with everyone, and no one is happy about this right now.

[PenGuin1362]

Until China declares their separation from NK, there is nothing any one can, nor should do.

[FreedomFighter7]

The thing about nuclear proliferation is, the more countries that have nukes the more likely a nuclear war is to break out. I don't think that NK would be able to harm my area of the country, and it bothers me less that if any nuke launched by NK were to hit the country it wouldn't be me being bombed (just another part of the country).

[Jean-Luc]

I don't think that NK would be able to harm my area of the country, and it bothers me less that if any nuke launched by NK were to hit the country it wouldn't be me being bombed (just another part of the country).

Glad to hear how much you care about the part of the country getting nuked :hay:

[Dwood]

Until China declares their separation from NK, there is nothing any one can, nor should do.

/thread

[rossmum]

The thing about nuclear proliferation is, the more countries that have nukes the more likely a nuclear war is to break out. I don't think that NK would be able to harm my area of the country, and it bothers me less that if any nuke launched by NK were to hit the country it wouldn't be me being bombed (just another part of the country).
chances are you'll still get fallout, so don't get to comfy under that table

maybe even cancer. Easy rossy, dont wanna see ya get spanked for pointing out somone's stupidity now do we
zilla~

[FRain]

It seems now that its not so much a question of if a nuclear war will happen, its a question of when will it happen?

[rossmum]

sweet let's get the old cold war paranoia going again

can't wait to have to carry a gas mask around everywhere with me because people are dumb and actually think there's a bigger threat of general nuclear exchange than there really is

[=sw=warlord]

The thing about nuclear proliferation is, the more countries that have nukes the more likely a nuclear war is to break out. I don't think that NK would be able to harm my area of the country, and it bothers me less that if any nuke launched by NK were to hit the country it wouldn't be me being bombed (just another part of the country).
Don't worry youl be one of the first to die.:mech2:

[Cojafoji]

sweet let's get the old cold war paranoia going again

can't wait to have to carry a gas mask around everywhere with me because people are dumb and actually think there's a bigger threat of general nuclear exchange than there really is
My parents lived through the Cuban missile crisis, and most of the other stupid/retarded/simpleminded/hurpdurpstupid things that the CCCP and USA did during the 50-80's. So, let's take a break on the paranoia thing. They've earned a little rest without a world teetering on the brink of nuclear war for a while. All of our parents do.

Please, someone please think about the parents.

Fuck the children.

[Teroh]

I'm pretty sure we all can agree that Kim is an attention whoring little kid, but I think he's smart enough to realize that if he actually does anything he's fucked beyond relief. While his actions are stupid from our point of view, they make SOME sense from his in the fact that he wants to gain power... albeit in a very risky fashion. He's not going to nuke anybody unless he's suicidal and wants to lose everything he's gained... And the only reason I think the latter matters to him (when he'd be dead) is that he wants to leave a legacy, something to be remembered by. If his ass is nuked to hell, anything he did is gone.

[Dwood]

sweet let's get the old cold war paranoia going again



Cold War propaganda/paranoia has been translated into Global Warming Propaganda/paranoia.

[Dotkito92]

We should just carpet bomb the NKs with our most powerful non nuclear weapons.

[Encoded]

The way I view it, there is no way for the United States to win anything from here on out.

No matter what actions it takes, there will be repercussions, and its status as the "World Police" will have it be criticized by many.
Just my 32kb on the issue.

[Teroh]

The way my receptors view it, there is no way for the United States to win anything from here on out.

No matter what actions it takes, there will be repercussions, and its status as the "World Police" will have it be criticized by many.
Just my 32kb on the issue.
32 kb exactly? Not any bytes left over? Impressive.