Stop idling

[Sel]

Faggots (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11092467&postcount=1)

[Ganon]

You are all no better than aimbotters.

[Bodzilla]

fuck off!

i only just got my first hat
the absence of a hat >:U

angel faced scout lol

[Bodzilla]

no but seriously if the hats whernt so ridiculously hard to come by we wouldnt have this shit in the first place.

every 4 hours and 20 minutes you roll for a 1/64 chance to get a hat?
then theres the one that you want to get, so add another what 1/21 chance of getting it?

Fucking ridiculous.
unlocks in a multiplayer game is super fucking gay, i thought you knew that valve >:U

[Mass]

ummm

tough shit

it's a hat

: l

[Ganon]

OH MY FUCKING GOD A HAT

/thread!

[Sel]

I don't have a hat wahhhhhh

lol.

[Needles]

no but seriously if the hats whernt so ridiculously hard to come by we wouldnt have this shit in the first place.

every 4 hours and 20 minutes you roll for a 1/64 chance to get a hat?
then theres the one that you want to get, so add another what 1/21 chance of getting it?

Fucking ridiculous.
unlocks in a multiplayer game is super fucking gay, i thought you knew that valve >:U

If they weren't rare they wouldn't be special -_-.

Now stare at my demoman's fro in awe :iamafag:

[Heathen]

lol, how pathetic srsly.

and the idlers cant get mad at me for saying so, they know it to be true.

[Pooky]

Fucking ridiculous.
unlocks in a multiplayer game is super fucking gay, i thought you knew that valve >:U

Worked really well in Modern Warfare so uhhhh

[Ganon]

Worked really well in Modern Warfare so uhhhh
Especially considering you could just use the insta lvl 55 hack :downs:

[Bodzilla]

whats the point of it being locked in the first place?









?

[Pooky]

whats the point of it being locked in the first place?
?
in Modern Warfare, the point is to slowly introduce new players to all the crapload of different options and choices without overwhelming them.

[Cortexian]

But most people just used the insta-55 hack so they can actually play well. :downs:

[n00b1n8R]

If it was a 50% chance you got one every 2 hours, I wouldn't mind so much and I think everyone would be happy. There's still so many hats that nobody is likely to get them all in a hurry (nobody with a life anyway vOv).

[p0lar_bear]

Bod I bet you're also mad that you can't has recon either!!

[Bodzilla]

halo 3 is 4 fagots.

no but seriously whats wrong without having to play for 200 hours to get a 50% chance of having 1 hat.

a hat thats purely for aesthetic reasons, that doesnt effect gameplay.... at all, or have any positive or negative inpact of the game.
If they where unlockable i wouldnt have a problem with it, but this random chance thing is fucking bullshit.

i have currently got 264.2 hours of gameplay on tf2, going by this system
divide that by 4.2 (the amount of hours per roll)
then divide it by 1.56 (the percentage chance of getting a hat per roll)
i'd have a 38% chance of having 1 hat.

after 264 hours.........
the entire thing is babies.

[Bodzilla]

also are we sure this effects idlers and not the other guys that just unlock them all at once?

[Jelly]

also are we sure this effects idlers and not the other guys that just unlock them all at once?
The people who unlock them all at once have idled then joined a real server.

Idler.

[Bodzilla]

no there are exploits.

[Rook]

Milestones??

[Jelly]

Idling is an exploit.

Idler.

[n00b1n8R]

Fucking idlers.

[CN3089]

hey valve maybe if your unlock system wasn't complete shit people wouldn't use the idler??? some food for thought, well, cya

[Bodzilla]

troll's trolling trolls WITH LEGITIMATE HELPFUL SUGGESTIONS?



i just dunno man, i dunno what to think anymore.

[Ganon]

i dunno what to think anymore.

tf2 sightjacker and HIV banlist idlerlist

[Syuusuke]

yelo battery for tf2

so hoe does check foridle

[neuro]

dno, but after playing the gema casually for about a year, all i have unlocked are the backburner and the spy watch thing, and don't even play spy because i suck at it.

i always play engineer, but he's got no unlockables at all apparently.

i'm really not wondering why people are idling, because this unlock system is just toal bullshit imo.

[Jelly]

dno, but after playing the gema casually for about a year, all i have unlocked are the backburner and the spy watch thing, and don't even play spy because i suck at it.

i always play engineer, but he's got no unlockables at all apparently.

i'm really not wondering why people are idling, because this unlock system is just toal bullshit imo.
You can grind achievement milestones if you want weapons. Everyone's just idling for hats.

[Heathen]

dno, but after playing the gema casually for about a year, all i have unlocked are the backburner and the spy watch thing, and don't even play spy because i suck at it.

i always play engineer, but he's got no unlockables at all apparently.

i'm really not wondering why people are idling, because this unlock system is just toal bullshit imo.

srsly?

I have like every weapon except for the FAN and I have only been playing like once a week for a few months.

E: well I have a good bit of them. The KGB, Flaregun, Spy watches (all), Razorback, and a few others.

[Ganon]

srsly?

I have like every weapon except for the FAN and I have only been playing like once a week for a few months.

E: well I have a good bit of them. The KGB, Flaregun, Spy watches (all), Razorback, and a few others.

lol the fan was the first thing I got

[Rook]

I'm cool cos I'm with valve so it was fair to give the items to myself right??

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197960563532
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197960435530

[p0lar_bear]

I think a hat should be awarded when a milestone is met, in addition to random drops.

Though the hatless Scout, Engineer, and Sniper would be special cases.

[Rook]

New blog post say bye to your afro fro CN

http://www.teamfortress.com/


Meanwhile, everyone who took the moral high road will soon be finding a new hat in their inventory. We've also significantly increased the chance of finding any of the existing hats.

lolo.


Double edit:


We've also significantly increased the chance of finding any of the existing hats.

[CabooseJr]

I knew this was coming sooner or later.

[CN3089]

I think a hat should be awarded when a milestone is met, in addition to random drops.

this would be perfect as well as giving everybody the unlockable weapons off the bat



get rid of the random drop system it is dumb as fuck, well, cya

[Aerowyn]

Meanwhile, everyone who took the moral high road will soon be finding a new hat in their inventory. We've also significantly increased the chance of finding any of the existing hats.

YAY! :D Maybe I can actually get the hats I want this time! .... I'm still waiting for a trade system though. D:

[Heathen]

If your to lazy to open the link:

Over the next few days we'll be removing all TF2 items that were earned using external idling applications. We're going to adopt a zero tolerance policy for external applications used to manipulate the persistent item system. Due to us not having a policy in place prior to today, this time we're only removing the items earned through cheating the system. Going forward, if we find users using external applications, we'll remove all of their items. If you're interested, only about 4.5% of the players in TF2's community will be affected by this cleansing process.

Meanwhile, everyone who took the moral high road will soon be finding a new hat in their inventory. We've also significantly increased the chance of finding any of the existing hats.

We realize there is a high level of demand for items, and we're still working on systems to allow you to find them in new ways (via Trading, and crafting duplicates into desired items). However, we need to draw the line at running external applications.


Sucks for you guys. I on the other hand get a free hat!

[Aerowyn]

HEY GUYS!!! I JUST FOUND OUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING!

Everyone who didn't idle gets a new hat--an "Honesty Halo" which can be used for ALL classes :)

[CN3089]

HEY GUYS!!! I JUST FOUND OUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING!

Everyone who didn't idle gets a new hat--an "Honesty Halo" which can be used for ALL classes :)

yo can we get devil horns or something valve is fucking us again!!!



also in case you haven't heard they also gave out the community items today to the guys behind the community maps i've seen mangycarface's and acegikmo's they are Pretty Cool!!



e: lol (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197961366266)

[Botolf]

:awesome:

[CN3089]

HEY GUYS!!! I JUST FOUND OUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING!

Everyone who didn't idle gets a new hat--an "Honesty Halo" which can be used for ALL classes :)

It's actually called the "Cheater's Lament" :allears:

[Needles]

and the spy watch thing, and don't even play spy because i suck at it.

Needs moar dead ringer whoring.

[CN3089]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Gaems/achievement_idle_arenafix0000.jpg


:golfclap:

[Needles]

I didn't get a halo :gonk:

[Rook]

That's cute. yeah ok

In other news our RAGE server has this plugin where the admin can wear any hat we want, well lata.

[Sel]

what a faggot lol

ALSO HALO HALO HAALO HALO HALOA HALHYALHALO HALO

[Rook]

Fallback plan:

http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/96284?qpost=5152611


what a faggot lol

ALSO HALO HALO HAALO HALO HALOA HALHYALHALO HALO

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4349/idleserveriroic.png

kawaii

[itszutak]

fffff

I idled once, when the program came out. For half an hour. I deleted the jarate I got from it.

And now I can't get some halo thing because of it :smith:

[rossmum]

Owned, faggots

*resolves to play some tf2 with bodie just so i can wave my halo in his angry pisspot face*

[Sel]

lol

http://i30.tinypic.com/9ih3eh.jpg

[n00b1n8R]

Owned, faggots

*resolves to play some tf2 with bodie just so i can wave my halo in his angry pisspot face*
I'll join you. :downs:

Hey zilla look at my halo it's sweet, where's yours oh that's right you're a failure at life, sorry~ :realsmug:

[p0lar_bear]

lol

http://i30.tinypic.com/9ih3eh.jpg

Somebody's mad that they got pwned. :smug:

(Not you. At least I hope not.)

e:

ps is says "fag" because he's using the force a nature

[Sel]

oh dont worry

Im good man

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197987812857

[neuro]

i want some goddamn engineer unlockables.

[ExAm]

This shit makes me sick. (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/HealersAgainstHalos)

Bunch of ungrateful bastards. Valve has done more for us than any other company without asking anything in return, and this is how they repay them? I have zero respect -- ZERO RESPECT for these fucks. They deserve to die in a fire.

[p0lar_bear]

This shit makes me sick. (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/HealersAgainstHalos)

Bunch of ungrateful bastards. Valve has done more for us than any other company without asking anything in return, and this is how they repay them? I have zero respect -- ZERO RESPECT for these fucks. They deserve to die in a fire.

Making a parody group.

I need a good avatar for it.

[Phobias]

fffff

I idled once, when the program came out. For half an hour. I deleted the jarate I got from it.

And now I can't get some halo thing because of it :smith:

Same here :smith:

The halos are awesome, they still show up on cloaked spies :neckbeard:

[ExAm]

http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/175

Krei some more.

[p0lar_bear]

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/whatyougetforidling

I may not actually admin any TF2 servers but I'll be damned to pass up on trolling trolls and/or crybabies.

[Botolf]

lol
I'm not gay, but I fail to see the humour in this. These HaH people sound like real fucking douchebags.

[Bodzilla]

dont give a shit about a halo tbh, all i want is a booze hat and a camera beard.

[flibitijibibo]

Apparently Valve listens to Podacity, because I got flagged despite never actually using the idler. :[

[CN3089]

It is better to have worn a hat and lost it, than to have never worn a hat at all~


This shit makes me sick. (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/HealersAgainstHalos)

Bunch of ungrateful bastards. Valve has done more for us than any other company without asking anything in return, and this is how they repay them? I have zero respect -- ZERO RESPECT for these fucks. They deserve to die in a fire.

you are dumb, valve is dumb, heal no halos forever

[PlasbianX]

I got all my items removed. FML.

[Botolf]

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/whatyougetforidling

I may not actually admin any TF2 servers but I'll be damned to pass up on trolling trolls and/or crybabies.
Lot at dude with too much time on his hands flooding the comments sections.

[DEElekgolo]

Just lost everything I had. Even the items that I didn't get from idleing.

[Sel]

Lot at dude with too much time on his hands flooding the comments sections.

p0lar get valve to ban the little faggot

lol

[Sel]

I cheated, I cheated for no reason, I have no interest in hats or items, I cheated because I wanted to cheat, I deserve what happened to me, and I fully accept the responsibility that was bestowed upon me. I am just thankful Valve DIDN'T BAN MY ACCOUNT SINCE IT WAS CLEARLY WITHIN THEIR POWER TO DO SO as I did break the ToS by using third party software to manipulate the game to my advantage. Thank you Valve for not banning me.

^^

[p0lar_bear]

^^

p much.

Also, their argument about not having any warning is null and void.

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2293

Not Valve's fault you can't remember stuff.

[Heathen]

Lol actually.

[Heathen]

Just lost everything I had. Even the items that I didn't get from idleing.

thats what it said in the article

[sdavis117]

He should have taken ALL of their items, even the default ones. He should have made the idlers run around without anything but their fists to defend themselves.

[ExAm]

Just an FYI, Valve will be fixing legitimately attained items soon. The removal of those was an honest mistake on their part.

[CN3089]

He should have taken ALL of their items, even the default ones. He should have made the idlers run around without anything but their fists to defend themselves.

you are dumb



yo so who's all with me in the cool kid's group aka [HEAL NO HALOS]

[Jelly]

I am with you except in servers where my halo doesn't show up.

[Rosco]

you are dumb



yo so who's all with me in the cool kid's group aka [HEAL NO HALOS]

It appears HEAL NO HALOS is not popular over here CN3089 :saddowns:

[CN3089]

It appears HEAL NO HALOS is not popular over here CN3089 :saddowns:

that's cool join its sister group, [HACKERS AGAINST HALOS]

[Mass]

Instead of giving out halos and making the decent players look like trolling assholes, they should have just put a KICK ME sign on the back of every idler, so that we can get down to the real matter here, how we can possibly laugh at idlers more.

[p0lar_bear]

Instead of giving out halos and making the decent players look like trolling assholes, they should have just put a KICK ME sign on the back of every idler, so that we can get down to the real matter here, how we can possibly laugh at idlers more.

This. Give all idlers kickme signs.

...then I'll wish I had idled. :saddowns:

[Sel]

I get no greater thrill out of tf2 than walking up to people and askin where their halo is!

[Rook]

Instead of giving out halos and making the decent players look like trolling assholes, they should have just put a KICK ME sign on the back of every idler, so that we can get down to the real matter here, how we can possibly laugh at idlers more.

Idlers are not decent people?

looks like ETERNAL DAMNATION IS ASSURED

[Jelly]

No he said they're not good players. I bet I could beat any idler 1v1.

because I have a backburner.

[Bodzilla]

jelly...... u is trollin.

[p0lar_bear]

No he said they're not good players. I bet I could beat any idler 1v1.

because I have a backburner.

backburner worst burner

I bet you use the fire axe too.

[=sw=warlord]

I love how i reinstall TF2 earlier for the first time in what 3 months to find the only thing i have is the flare gun.
I actualy didn't use the idling app i used the ingame idle servers.
And caboose, shirayuki, church what ever you want to call yourself, don't even think about lying about you idling.:v:
I only reinstalled to see if i got the halo or not.

[klange]

http://cad-comic.com/comics/20090904.jpg

kthxbye

[CN3089]

B^U

kthxbye

get out

[Jelly]

CAD in terrible comic shocker.

[klange]

get out
lol wut

why you -rep me

it was relevant

Buckley lost his edge over a year ago, and then murdered the damn thing with his :dramabomb:

[Jelly]

WAIT
I'VE GOT ONE

About as relevant as THAT LAST PANEL

[Botolf]

Motion to ban CAD from the forums forever.

[flibitijibibo]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fa/Second.jpg

[Sel]

I hate ctrl alt destroy too guys!!

[InnerGoat]

Haha maybe you shouldn't cheat at video games

[Rook]

Haha maybe you shouldn't cheat at video games


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[Sel]

:downs::downs:
Haha maybe you shouldn't cheat at video games

:downs::downs: :downs::downs:

[`CaSs!~]

:downs::downs:

:downs::downs: :downs::downs:


lol please explain to me how sitting afk in a server is cheating

[ExAm]

lol please explain to me how sitting afk in a server is cheating
It isn't. Using the idle program to manipulate the system is. The people who used the program are the ones being punished.

[CN3089]

It isn't. Using the idle program to manipulate the system is. The people who used the program are the ones being punished.

you're dumb, hth

[Sel]

lol please explain to me how sitting afk in a server is cheating

its not

gosh youre dumb

[n00b1n8R]

you're dumb, hth
You mad? :realsmug:

[`CaSs!~]

It isn't. Using the idle program to manipulate the system is. The people who used the program are the ones being punished.

How is it manipulation?

All the idler did was put you in an idling server set up by Drunken Fool. That's the same thing as opening TF2 and going in an achievement_idle server, except it uses less resources thus lowering my power bill and using less power. The idler was an economically and environmentally friendly program.

[Mass]

The idler was an economically and environmentally friendly program.

As opposed to turning off your computer and dealing with a naked head?


(hth)
tGfJ0_KMiro

[`CaSs!~]

As opposed to turning off your computer and dealing with a naked head?


(hth)


1) My computer is on anyways..hth

2) If there is something that I want, and a (relatively) easy way to get it, I'm going to do it...hth

[Timo]

I wouldn't call it cheating, but you didn't get the hats the way valve intended you to (which should be obvious) so they got rid of the items you got for doing nothing.

[CN3089]

I wouldn't call it cheating, but you didn't get the hats the way valve intended you to (which should be obvious) so they got rid of the items you got for doing nothing.

if they wanted to take away items you got for doing nothing they should have removed everything except for achievement items and medals

e: and community items

[PlasbianX]

if they wanted to take away items you got for doing nothing they should have removed everything except for achievement items and medals

e: and community items

Thats what they did. I did indeed use the idler, and I kept every single achievement unlock weapon. The rest are all gone.

[Timo]

He's talking about the random drop system.

[Sel]

you dont randomly get dropped community weapons cn

[CN3089]

you dont randomly get dropped community weapons cn

I know?? Maybe you should learn how to read??

[=sw=warlord]

In terms of cheating how exactly is the idler any different to idling in random servers?
Your effectively doing nothing in both, and i dont know about you lot but i can just run TF2 mimimised and continue with what ever im doing.

[Bastinka]

Cheater's Lament FTW.


Although Valve does suck fat sweat dripping horse dick for making the chance of getting a hat nearly 1% every 4 hours and 20 minutes.

[Ganon]

I'd like to thank valve for the giant faggot-attractor above my head. It flocks the butthurts right towards me! They all seem so ready to die.

[sdavis117]

I wear the Halo on my Scout, and so far I have not had any backlash. Healers heal me, no one singles me out as a target, etc. I have not heard any of these butthurt players, probably because they are so small in number.

[Heathen]

That's the same thing as opening TF2 and going in an achievement_idle server

and thats not cheating?

I'm afraid you just fucked your own argument.

[InnerGoat]

It isn't. Using the idle program to manipulate the system is. The people who used the program are the ones being punished.

the idle app is not cheating. people still get all worked up over it if you call them cheaters though which is hilarious. it's just a game you nerds :realsmug:

[ExAm]

Although Valve does suck fat sweat dripping horse dick for making the chance of getting a hat nearly 1% every 4 hours and 20 minutes.
PROTIP: Valve has increased the hat drop rate as of the last update

[`CaSs!~]

and thats not cheating?

I'm afraid you just fucked your own argument.

lol I hope you're joking

[p0lar_bear]

I think the whole point of this is, if you're going to fuck with the system, at least do it within hl2.exe and not an external app.

The hats are supposed to be a reward for dedicated players (yes I know the drop rate sucked that's not the point). In my eyes, idling on an achievement_idle server is borderline "cheating" as it is, if you're not even going to start up the damn game, I fail to see why you should get items.

But, in the end, it's just a fucking game and hats are a useless cosmetic. People need to shut the fuck up about them and forget they exist until they have one.

[Rosco]

the idle app is not cheating. people still get all worked up over it if you call them cheaters though which is hilarious. it's just a game you nerds :realsmug:

I laughed the moment people got worked up over doing no work for something and then it got taken away, hurf.

[sdavis117]

The only hats I have ever seen were the Russian Winter Hat for the Heavy and the Cheaters Lament. Everyone else I have played with has worn the default "hats".

[n00b1n8R]

Idle servers are cheating as well, same as achievment servers. :downs:

[Heathen]

lol I hope you're joking

uhh...fraid not.
If you don't think getting achievements you didn't "achieve" isn't cheating...
I'm afraid your just a fucking idiot. Not you directly cass, so don't get all snippy.


Idle servers are cheating as well, same as achievment servers. :downs:

amazing.

[Heathen]

You only lost what you didn't earn.

[InnerGoat]

Idle servers are cheating as well, same as achievment servers. :downs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTxUcsK2grM

[CN3089]

You only lost what you didn't earn.

ahahahahaha look how dumb you are

[InnerGoat]

ahahahahaha look how dumb you are

yeah man some people lost a bunch of crap they had gotten before the app was even made. Others were lucky and kept a hat or two they idled for :raise:

[Heathen]

yeah man some people lost a bunch of crap they had gotten before the app was even made. Others were lucky and kept a hat or two they idled for :raise:

yeah, but goat your smart, you know those people are getting their stuff back.

And the funny thing is, I didn't idle and nothing was taken away from me. Fancy that. I mean, being the devil's advocate just to justify your anger for losing the stuff you didn't work for isn't really sound logic. It was within Valve's rights to downright ban them for breaking/disobeying/whatevering the EULA, so losing a few item's isn't a big deal...

And anyways, like they are that hard to get jeez.

and kyon, its not cute anymore, you troll you. You know you don't even care.

[`CaSs!~]

uhh...fraid not.
If you don't think getting achievements you didn't "achieve" isn't cheating...
I'm afraid your just a fucking idiot. Not you directly cass, so don't get all snippy.

I'm sorry, but the last time I checked, the hats were not achievements. idgi

E: Not directly at you, but every time an anti-idle person criticizes an idler all they say is "WHO CARES IT'S JUST A HAT", but now you (and others) are going as far as to say that idlers are cheating because they randomly found an item in a server. It's ironic that you put a phrased the "oh so meaningless" hat as such a prestigious word as "achievement", when anti-idlers normally try to criticize and say that idlers are stressing out over something that is not worth anything. I over exaggerated, but you get the point -- don't contradict yourself.

[Heathen]

I'm sorry, but the last time I checked, the hats were not achievements. idgi

bhaha, read your own posts.

Okay, that gave it away man. You guys are acting dumb on purpose and I guess I fell for it.

E: because someone asked me what I meant by the first part:

How is it manipulation?

All the idler did was put you in an idling server set up by Drunken Fool. That's the same thing as opening TF2 and going in an achievement_idle server, except it uses less resources thus lowering my power bill and using less power. The idler was an economically and environmentally friendly program.
And I said "and thats not cheating?"
or something to that effect.

I mean guys, these things are so easy to unlock, who cares if you have to start over. I mean...SINCE YOU WORKED SO HARD THE FIRST TIME lol.

[`CaSs!~]

bhaha, read your own posts.

Okay, that gave it away man. You guys are acting dumb on purpose and I guess I fell for it.


lol please explain to me how sitting afk in a server is cheating


How is it manipulation?

All the idler did was put you in an idling server set up by Drunken Fool. That's the same thing as opening TF2 and going in an achievement_idle server, except it uses less resources thus lowering my power bill and using less power. The idler was an economically and environmentally friendly program.


1) My computer is on anyways..hth

2) If there is something that I want, and a (relatively) easy way to get it, I'm going to do it...hth


lol I hope you're joking

Where did I call the hats achievements? I know I did not "earn" them, as neither did any single person in the game, no matter how they obtained them. I simply stated that I wanted them...not that they would make me cooler,better at the game, or a more important person than you.

Also, see edit of last post.

E:

I mean guys, these things are so easy to unlock, who cares if you have to start over. I mean...SINCE YOU WORKED SO HARD THE FIRST TIME lol.

I did not lose a single hat from the "cleansing". I actually just found my first hat ever yesterday.

[Heathen]

Lol, thats cool. I have yet to find my first hat, save my halo. But I did finally get my flare gun.

[=sw=warlord]

Lol, thats cool. I have yet to find my first hat, save my halo. But I did finally get my flare gun.
Tell me how do you "earn" anything if it is all given randomly?

[Jelly]

You trade gametime for a chance to get a hat/weapon.

[p0lar_bear]

Tell me how do you "earn" anything if it is all given randomly?

In theory, dedicated players are rewarded with items.

[=sw=warlord]

In theory, dedicated players are rewarded with items.
in theory but as i said if you get 1% chance every 4 1/2 hours then how is it a reward its just a very bad lottery joke.

[Sel]

in theory but as i said if you get 1% chance every 4 1/2 hours then how is it a reward its just a very bad lottery joke.

It's been upped to 3%, and there's only so man fucking hats, jesus.

[=sw=warlord]

It's been upped to 3%, and there's only so man fucking hats, jesus.
Oh im really feeling the love 3% really?
Wow big spenders!

[Bodzilla]

valve forgets that 4h and 20 min is a long time.
needs to be more like 20%

[Heathen]

Tell me how do you "earn" anything if it is all given randomly?

...by actually playing the game.
Putting in minimal effort...
Are you guys kidding? Seriously?

[=sw=warlord]

...by actually playing the game.
Putting in minimal effort...
Are you guys kidding? Seriously?
Did you even read my question?
If certain items are given out RANDOMLY then how doe's that equate to earning it?
Dosnt matter if your actualy playing or sitting in a idle server it is still random.
So i ask again:
How do you earn something if it is given out RANDOMLY.
I hope the caps, bold and underline makes it a bit clearer for you.

[Jelly]

Imagine playtime as a currency.

4 hours and 20 minutes of play buys you a lottery ticket with the chance of winning a lovely shiny new (maybe) hat, and 25 minutes of play buys you a lottery ticket with a chance of getting a weapon drop.

Idle players receiving drops is almost certainly not what Valve planned to happen, although it's probably pretty difficult to design a suitable system to define when a player is idling.

Alternatively: pyro is a terrible class and anyone who plays it should never get a hat.

[=sw=warlord]

Imagine playtime as a currency.

4 hours and 20 minutes of play buys you a lottery ticket with the chance of winning a lovely shiny new (maybe) hat, and 25 minutes of play buys you a lottery ticket with a chance of getting a weapon drop.

Idle players receiving drops is almost certainly not what Valve planned to happen, although it's probably pretty difficult to design a suitable system to define when a player is idling.

Alternatively: pyro is a terrible class and anyone who plays it should never get a hat.
Ok it seems as though i was not clear enough.
How doe's randomly winning a hat mean you earn it?
Usualy earning something involves you doing a specific thing to earn said item for instance you work to earn money, you do certain things ingames to earn achievements.
Winning something and earning are not the same.

[sdavis117]

Ok it seems as though i was not clear enough.
How doe's randomly winning a hat mean you earn it?
Usualy earning something involves you doing a specific thing to earn said item for instance you work to earn money, you do certain things ingames to earn achievements.
Winning something and earning are not the same.
You earn it by playing the game more.

[Heathen]

Did you even read my question?
If certain items are given out RANDOMLY then how doe's that equate to earning it?
Dosnt matter if your actualy playing or sitting in a idle server it is still random.
So i ask again:
How do you earn something if it is given out RANDOMLY.
I hope the caps, bold and underline makes it a bit clearer for you.

By actually playing the game.
You must not have read the post you quoted...lol.
I had already answered that question twice before.

Its a simple mistake when people are to hasty and cant read well. I can tell your too hasty because you make so many errors. Just try to read my posts at least.

[=sw=warlord]

By actually playing the game.
You must not have read the post you quoted...lol.
I had already answered that question twice before.

Its a simple mistake when people are to hasty and cant read well. I can tell your too hasty because you make so many errors. Just try to read my posts at least.
I did read actualy.
Everyone here has said the longer you play more chances of winning hats.
You get 3/100 chance of winning a hat ever 4 and half hours.
Winning doe's not mean earning.
As i have said, how you earn something by it being given randomly.
With those odds you could win a hat within 4 and a half hours or you could spend 40 hours+ and still not get a single hat.
You are misinterpreting what i am saying either that or you are trying to twist what i say to suit your point.
Which i might add is failing terribly.

[Heathen]

I did read actualy.
Everyone here has said the longer you play more chances of winning hats.
You get 3/100 chance of winning a hat ever 4 and half hours.
Winning doe's not mean earning.
As i have said, how you earn something by it being given randomly.
With those odds you could win a hat within 4 and a half hours or you could spend 40 hours+ and still not get a single hat.
You are misinterpreting what i am saying either that or you are trying to twist what i say to suit your point.
Which i might add is failing terribly.

lol?

You earn it by playing...
If you don't play you aren't earning it...
Re-read over the last few pages because I think you mean well, but you are just missing the points.

[`CaSs!~]

...by actually playing the game.
Putting in minimal effort...
Are you guys kidding? Seriously?

How about answering a fucking question instead of just saying "LOL R U GUYS SRS". I'm eager to see the insight you have on this subject.



Imagine playtime as a currency.

4 hours and 20 minutes of play buys you a lottery ticket with the chance of winning a lovely shiny new (maybe) hat, and 25 minutes of play buys you a lottery ticket with a chance of getting a weapon drop.

Idle players receiving drops is almost certainly not what Valve planned to happen, although it's probably pretty difficult to design a suitable system to define when a player is idling.

Alternatively: pyro is a terrible class and anyone who plays it should never get a hat.

Ok let me make this clear for YOU. Getting a hat is like winning the lottery after finding a ticket on the floor. You did nothing to earn it, it merely fell into your hands. Idlers simply "walk around more" (in my example), thus have more of a chance of finding a winning lotto ticket (aka hat).

[sdavis117]

You earn the chance to win a hat by actually playing the game. These people did not play the game to earn their chances, they just ran a background app.

[=sw=warlord]

Ok let me make this clear for YOU. Getting a hat is like winning the lottery after finding a ticket on the floor. You did nothing to earn it, it merely fell into your hands. Idlers simply "walk around more" (in my example), thus have more of a chance of finding a winning lotto ticket (aka hat).
Thus proving my fucking point....:suicide:

[Heathen]

You did nothing to earn it

Wrong. We played the game, which is more than the idlers did.

And I was saying "are you serious?" because some of them are acting stupid on purpose and I was wondering if they were gonna insist on keeping the act up.

It's still not funny cass and you can quit trying.

[sdavis117]

Idlers simply "walk around more" (in my example), thus have more of a chance of finding a winning lotto ticket (aka hat).
It's more like sitting down and running a vacuum that sucks up all of the tickets in the area.

[Heathen]

Dude, how is this argument still going on?

Its cheating. Is that the issue? Are you guys arguing that its not cheating? Because it most definitely is and there is no way you can say it isn't cheating. And even if you could, Valve said to stop using idling programs and you obviously didn't. You were warned and now the hammer has come down and you don't want to accept that your wrong for cheating.

Grow up and take the hit. You didn't earn them, why would you miss them? Be glad you weren't banned all together.

[Heathen]

and their just hats.

[=sw=warlord]

Dude, how is this argument still going on?

Its cheating. Is that the issue? Are you guys arguing that its not cheating? Because it most definitely is and there is no way you can say it isn't cheating. And even if you could, Valve said to stop using idling programs and you obviously didn't. You were warned and now the hammer has come down and you don't want to accept that your wrong for cheating.

Grow up and take the hit. You didn't earn them, why would you miss them? Be glad you weren't banned all together.That's all fine and dandy unless you've not played TF2 in like 3 months and even then the closest to cheating was sitting in a idle server ingame and still get penalised saying i used a application which i didnt.
But there you go again.
Saying you earn items given out ramdomly well done heathen.

[Heathen]

well done heathen.
You finally understand.
You DO earn them by playing the game, instead of sitting in idling servers or using the idling program.

[=sw=warlord]

You finally understand.
You DO earn them by playing the game, instead of sitting in idling servers or using the idling program.
:smithicide:
No.
You spend several hours to earn a chance to win the hats you do not earn the hats directly.
Thus brings me to my point yet again.
Damn heathen i thought you was smarter than this either that or your trolling.

[Heathen]

If you don't play, your percentage to get them is lower than someone who does.
Therefore you earn the higher percentage to get them by playing more.
When you do something to gain a higher percentage, even though your not playing, thats cheating.

Someone help me because only one kid is left that doesn't understand yet.

[=sw=warlord]

If you don't play, your percentage to get them is lower than someone who does.
Therefore you earn the higher percentage to get them by playing more.
When you do something to gain a higher percentage, even though your not playing, thats cheating.


So sitting in idle servers is classed as cheating.
I understand your stance and have done from the beginning but my issue is that you claim people in idle servers dont earn and yet people who do play the game earned hats.
Correct?
Well my issue is that if the fucking system is so fucking random then you dont earn anything its a fucking lottery.

You buy a ticket for the national lottery and then tell me you earned your loss.
It is pure luck[algorithms actualy but yeah]

[flibitijibibo]

This has been going on for way too damn long. It seems I'll have to bring in the forbidden game.

In WoW, there are certain items that drop as low as 1% per boss kill. Most of these items are at the end of a raid, and raids can take hours upon hours to clear. Let's examine the Warglaive of Azzinoth, a weapon that drops from the final boss of the Black Temple 25-man raid. At a 1.8% drop rate, distributed among a possible 25 people who split the loot, has a 0.072% rate of 1 person obtaining the item per completed raid.

So, how do you get it? Play the damn game instead of bitching about the numbers. Like the hats, there is a possibility of never getting it, but that's for a reason: Rarity. If every schmuck grinder can get the most unique items, they would cease to be any type of status symbols. This applies to the hats. Whether you're new or not, the odds are the same for everyone, so if you really gave a fuck about the oh-so-special hats, you'd be patient rather than just expect the item just for being the imaginary pro everyone knows. If you don't play the game enough to get the hat, you don't deserve it. Simple as that. Realize that the hat is an indicator of time, not skill. The weapons would be that if they were to remove them from the random distributor (I still dunno why they're in that system at this point).

TL;DR: To those complaining that you have to play a lot to get the item: That's the fucking point.

That said, the key phrase in this system is "play the game more". Idling in any form does not count as playing. It's fucking idling. They're two different words for a reason.

Cheating in video games involves a player of a video game creating an advantage beyond the bounds of normal gameplay, usually to make the game easier.The hats are meant to be earned in normal gameplay. Idling, once again, is not normal gameplay. If you can't make the inference here, save yourself the trouble and format your C: drive to benefit all of us.

If Valve can figure out who used achievement_idle servers, they should apply the same rule to them. If they can't, then the least they can do is change the purpose of the halo. The two forms of idling are both cheating, but the program breaks the EULA, so the halo should only indicate that they didn't break contract, not that they didn't idle (which, for a lot of people, is an outright lie).

Please, before this becomes an even longer internets argument :lock:

[CN3089]

Dude, how is this argument still going on?

Its cheating. Is that the issue? Are you guys arguing that its not cheating? Because it most definitely is and there is no way you can say it isn't cheating.

It wasn't cheating and you're stupid as h*ck hth


Valve said to stop using idling programs and you obviously didn't. You were warned and now the hammer has come down and you don't want to accept that your wrong for cheating.

ahahaha no they didn't they said it was fine until the day they posted that retarded blog post so gfy tia



You don't earn shit they just give out randomly you guys are retarded


:frogwords:

tf2 isn't wow mods can we get a ban on this chucklefuck

[Heathen]

ahahaha no they didn't they said it was fine until the day they posted that retarded blog post so gfy tia


Yeah, they did Kyon. Your trolling now because it was linked in this thread that they had said it month(s) before doing it.
If you didn't cheat, you wouldn't be penalized.

[CN3089]

Yeah, they did Kyon. Your trolling now because it was linked in this thread that they had said it month(s) before doing it.
If you didn't cheat, you wouldn't be penalized.

that blog post was put up a few hours before the halos were given out and idled items were taken away http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-milk.gif

[`CaSs!~]

This has been going on for way too damn long. It seems I'll have to bring in the forbidden game.

In WoW, there are certain items that drop as low as 1% per boss kill. Most of these items are at the end of a raid, and raids can take hours upon hours to clear. Let's examine the Warglaive of Azzinoth, a weapon that drops from the final boss of the Black Temple 25-man raid. At a 1.8% drop rate, distributed among a possible 25 people who split the loot, has a 0.072% rate of 1 person obtaining the item per completed raid.

So, how do you get it? Play the damn game instead of bitching about the numbers. Like the hats, there is a possibility of never getting it, but that's for a reason: Rarity. If every schmuck grinder can get the most powerful item, the weapon would cease to be a status symbol. This applies to the hats. Whether you're new or not, the odds are the same for everyone, so if you really gave a fuck about the oh-so-special hats, you'd be patient rather than just expect the item just for being the imaginary pro everyone knows. If you don't play the game enough to get the hat, you don't deserve it. Simple as that. Realize that the hat is an indicator of time, not skill. The weapons would be that if they were to remove them from the random distributor (I still dunno why they're in that system at this point).

TL;DR: To those complaining that you have to play a lot to get the item: That's the fucking point.

That said, the key phrase in this system is "play the game more". Idling in any form does not count as playing. It's fucking idling. They're two different words for a reason.
The hats are meant to be earned in normal gameplay. Idling, once again, is not normal gameplay. If you can't make the inference here, save yourself the trouble and format your C: drive to benefit all of us.

If Valve can figure out who used achievement_idle servers, they should apply the same rule to them. If they can't, then the least they can do is change the purpose of the halo. The two forms of idling are both cheating, but the program breaks the EULA, so the halo should only indicate that they didn't break contract, not that they didn't idle (which, for a lot of people, is an outright lie).

Please, before this becomes an even longer internets argument :lock:

Are you dumb? Hats don't fucking increase your stats or anything. The reason that WEAPON is so rare in WoW, is because it's "the most powerful item". Don't be a fucking dumbass.

"Cheating in video games involves a player of a video game creating an advantage beyond the bounds of normal gameplay, usually to make the game easier."

Hats do not give any advantage beyond the bounds of normal gameplay, nor do they make the game easier. NICE QUOTE! IT REALLY SUPPORTS YOUR MY ARGUMENT.

[flibitijibibo]

1: What the item actually does is not the point. There are several epic quality items in the game that don't do a damn thing, just like the hats.

In fact, I shouldn't have used "most powerful item". That was wrong, and I apologize. I should have said "most unique". There are plenty of rare items that are pieces of shit when compared to other, more common gear. It's really just the collector's value that hardcore nerds get moist over, be it WoW or TF2.

2: The hats are not cheating, the idling is.

[Heathen]

that blog post was put up a few hours before the halos were given out and idled items were taken away http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/CN3089/Emoticons/emot-milk.gif

idc anymore I won :realsmug:

[Sel]

sucks to be an idler now doesnt it~

[n00b1n8R]

ITT: Scrubs gettin mad over a useless piece of random loot. You've all got your Halo's, stop crying. :downs:

Seriously though, if I were to design the system it'd be a 5% chance every 50 points

[p0lar_bear]

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2293

A third-party app meant to unlock achievements without actually doing the criteria for them and get players items faster than someone getting them the intended way caused all players who used it to get their items taken away for a period of time.

A third-party app meant to idle in a server and get players hats faster than someone getting them the intended way caused all players who used it to get their items they gained with it taken away permanently.

Everyone crying about the lack of notice is too short-sighted or mentally handicapped to see that there was notice. About six months of it, in fact.

[=sw=warlord]

Polar, seeing as you seem to like, and are good at making long ass detailed post's please point out the dodo's of society how winning a lottery is dfferent to earning rewards.:smithicide:
The idler servers were never my issue, the idle applications i could not care less about as i never used them, my gripe is about how people can continue saying you earn random give outs when it is exactly that random.

[p0lar_bear]

Polar, seeing as you seem to like, and are good at making long ass detailed post's please point out the dodo's of society how winning a lottery is dfferent to earning rewards.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reward


2. a stimulus administered to an organism following a correct or desired response that increases the probability of occurrence of the response

Play the game, you may win a hat.

The hat isn't the reward, per se. The chance to get one is. By giving us the chance, players are encouraged to play more, and for longer. Thus, it is a reward.

[Jelly]

Ok let me make this clear for YOU. Getting a hat is like winning the lottery after finding a ticket on the floor. You did nothing to earn it, it merely fell into your hands. Idlers simply "walk around more" (in my example), thus have more of a chance of finding a winning lotto ticket (aka hat).
You did something to earn the ticket; you played the game. Idle players, by definition, are not playing the game. People who are playing the game should get drops and idle players shouldn't, in a perfect world.

However, a system to detect idle players would probably be extremely difficult to design and would probably also add to TF2's already considerable bloat, not to mention it would create an arms race between Valve and idlers. It's entirely possible for maps to run scripts that simulate player activity and movement, and removing those may affect community maps and server plugins. There's no guaranteed way of finding people who are idling ingame, so Valve have decided "welp, might as well leave it."

(This is what I think to be that case, but it's by reading way too far in between the lines. This obviously can't be taken as fact; it's more a combination of speculation and common sense.)

But the one guaranteed way to find if a player is (or has been) idling is if they've been on DF's server. There's no way to interact with the game in that server (ex server) since the only way to connect to it is using steamstats, so they've removed all the items that the idle server gave out.

[Bodzilla]

Seriously though, if I were to design the system it'd be a 5% chance every 50 points

removed the spoiler because we have at least 1 good idea in a cavalcade of shit that was this thread.

http://www.ubercharged.net/2009/05/14/the-somewhat-almighty-god-of-pie-fixes-everything-ever/
Go here For truth.

[Heathen]

ITT: Scrubs gettin mad over a useless piece of random loot. You've all got your Halo's, stop crying. :downs:


yeh, lol.

[`CaSs!~]

You did something to earn the ticket; you played the game. Idle players, by definition, are not playing the game. People who are playing the game should get drops and idle players shouldn't, in a perfect world.

However, a system to detect idle players would probably be extremely difficult to design and would probably also add to TF2's already considerable bloat, not to mention it would create an arms race between Valve and idlers. It's entirely possible for maps to run scripts that simulate player activity and movement, and removing those may affect community maps and server plugins. There's no guaranteed way of finding people who are idling ingame, so Valve have decided "welp, might as well leave it."

(This is what I think to be that case, but it's by reading way too far in between the lines. This obviously can't be taken as fact; it's more a combination of speculation and common sense.)

But the one guaranteed way to find if a player is (or has been) idling is if they've been on DF's server. There's no way to interact with the game in that server (ex server) since the only way to connect to it is using steamstats, so they've removed all the items that the idle server gave out.

Technically, you get a chance at a hat for being in a server, not for playing the game. If Valve wants to they can release a patch that forces you to be moving around and shooting to get a chance to "earn" the hats. But as it stands you get hats for being in servers, not playing.

[Sel]

ITT: Scrubs gettin mad over a useless piece of random loot. You've all got your Halo's, stop crying. :downs:

Seriously though, if I were to design the system it'd be a 5% chance every 50 points

^

[Heathen]

Lol, look at cass still trying.

[`CaSs!~]

Lol, look at cass still trying.

Trying to do what? Simply declaring that you win doesn't prove anything other than you obviously can't continue to debate with actual arguments.

[NullZero]

http://hivclan.net/hivshack/images/r74c8u6hw6dgyhdq4hng.jpg

this thread: tl;dr

[flibitijibibo]

http://hivclan.net/hivshack/images/r74c8u6hw6dgyhdq4hng.jpg

this thread: tl;drAgreed. Can we PLEASE get this locked?

Yes, I did take part of it, hypocrisy blah blah.

[InnerGoat]

Yeah so i've talked it over with several admins across a number of TF2 servers and we are making it official with our No Halos plugin.

Basically, this plugin takes your Steam ID and checks Source OP for your bacpack. If it detects the Cheater's Lament, the plugin warns you in-game that you have 5 minutes to delete the Halo. If you delete it, you're free to keep playing. If you don't delete it in the 5 minutes, you are automatically perma-banned from the server.

halo havers are literally scrubs. well, cya

[p0lar_bear]

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