North Korea has a successful nuclear test (North Korea's Nuclear Weapons)

[Agamemnon]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KOREAS_NUCLEAR?SITE=PASUN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_Korean_nuclear_test


Oct 8, 11:59 PM EDT

North Korea Says Nuclear Test Successful
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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea said Monday it has performed its first-ever nuclear weapons test and the blast had been successfully set off underground with no radioactive leakage from the site.
An official at South Korea's seismic monitoring center confirmed a magnitude-3.6 tremor felt at the time North Korea said it conducted the test was not a natural occurrence. The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition his name not be used, because he was not authorized to talk about the sensitive information to the media.
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said that information still needs to collected and analyzed to determine whether North Korea truly conducted its first nuclear test.
South Korea's Defense Ministry said the alert level of the military had been raised in response to the claimed nuclear test.
The North said last week it would conduct a test, sparking regional concern and frantic diplomatic efforts aimed at dissuading Pyongyang from such a move. North Korea has long claimed to have nuclear weapons, but had never before performed a known test to prove its arsenal.
The North's official Korean Central News Agency said the underground test was performed successfully.
"It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the ... people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," the KCNA statement said.
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"It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."
South Korean intelligence officials said the seismic wave had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency. It said the test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (9:36 p.m. EDT Sunday) in Hwaderi near Kilju city on the northeast coast, citing defense officials.
North Korean scientists "successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions," the KCNA report said, adding this was "a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation."
The U.S. Geological Survey said it had detected no seismic activity in North Korea, although it was not clear whether a blast would be strong enough for its sensors.
On Sunday night, U.S. government officials said a wide range of agencies were looking into the report of the nuclear test, which officials were taking seriously.
South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun has convened a meeting of security advisers over the issue, Yonhap reported, and intelligence over the test has been exchanged between concerned countries.
Kyodo News agency reported that the Japanese government has set up a taskforce in response to reports of the test.
The North has refused for a year to attend international talks aimed at persuading it to disarm. The country pulled out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 2003 after U.S. officials accused it of a secret nuclear program, allegedly violating an earlier nuclear pact between Washington and Pyongyang.
Speculation over a possible North Korean test arose earlier this year after U.S. and Japanese reports cited suspicious activity at a suspected underground test site.

This does not bode well at all. You can bet South Korea is shitting bricks left and right.

[Atty]

Well...That is just great.:suicide:

[Nic]

YAY


Another nation with nuclear weapons in their hands

[mined]

It had to happen sooner or later. I honestly have no fears that North Korea would attempt to launch an ICBM at us. The ramifications would be to severe and I believe they know this. The question now is will North Korea put its technology up on the auction block to help fund the "building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation."

[Random]

gg world, we do not need another world war, let alone a nuclear one.

[Zeph]

The US has most likely allready given them a good compliment of ABMs. They're screwed if someone comes in by sea/foot. I dont really see North Korea using a nuclear warhead offensively though. They cant afford to. Their nuclear armament is to stregnthen them defensibly and economically. Do you have any idea how much a nuclear power plant would benefit them?

By allready going to the farthest step, they can work on their power problem without other countries bitching about it.

[Chewy Gumball]

I don't see why people are worked up over this. No one is stupid enough to launch a nuke at someone, let alone the US. The rest of the world would destroy them.

[jcap]

I don't see why people are worked up over this. No one is stupid enough to launch a nuke at someone, let alone the US. The rest of the world would destroy them.
You underestimate the corruption of North Korea and their hidden agenda.

[~A.]

I want to see some action against this. Either that, or no action against Iran IF they produce a nuclear weapon.

[Zeph]

There never were any sanctions against Iran, there never were any sanctions against N. Korea's missile test, and there most likely wont be any sanctions against this.

[Chewy Gumball]

You underestimate the corruption of North Korea and their hidden agenda.

Only an insane person would dare do that, and if some countries thought NKorea had an insane leader who would have any chance of launching a nuke, they would have him taken out of power.

[Boo Diddly]

don't forget that nkorea could also sell their weapons to organizations that would not hesitate to use such a destructive weapon, aka terrorists. they really don't have a country to defend, so they don't have to worry about being nuked without other innocent people being killed.

[Chewy Gumball]

Good point.

[PenGuin1362]

Welcome to a whole new kind of warfare. It's not really a fight for good vs. evil anymore. and it sure as hell won't be the same kind of fight. I'll give it about a year till we're going into world war 3.

p.s. jcap i hope you get drafted and get shot and the guy will be like think you're so good at pacman eh? and i'll shoot you...errr he'll shoot you again.

[Agamemnon]

Only an insane person would dare do that, and if some countries thought NKorea had an insane leader who would have any chance of launching a nuke, they would have him taken out of power.
If someone wants to strike at a country on a nuclear level of course they're not insane enough to launch it...unless, that is, you had a fanatic had one, such as a rogue North Korean general. You can definitely bet the North Koreans are still looking to retake South Korea, and though they might not launch it against them, I have a feeling they will use it against them in some way. Nowadays all it takes is a truck to park behind the capital of South Korea and let that baby go off undetected. That's the real scare nowadays, because every country knows that launching one against another country would be instant nuclear holocaust. Despite the horror of Ben Affleck's acting, The Sum of All Fears portrays what could very much happen next.

[Emmzee]

They crazy.

[Chewy Gumball]

Which is why you ban missiles and guns, and bombs for ever. I still don't know why they sell guns to the public.

[Nic]

To hunt for food silly, wai no let the chinese slaughter dolphins meat, and sell it to us.

Man, restart the world kthnx.

[Boo Diddly]

ya, in a way the world is in a large halo match. occasionally the game type changes.

Currently we are on a gametype that is a cross between plots and assault >.<

we need a new gametype, I think race *to the next solarsystem* would be a great one.

[Teroh]

GoS.

[rossmum]

k, needs less fail.

Don't worry guys... for the moment, they'd be more likely to nuke themselves by accident. NK isn't known for its highly-trained, elite military and supreme scientists...

[Agamemnon]

Which is why you ban missiles and guns, and bombs for ever. I still don't know why they sell guns to the public.
How will that solve anything? You honestly don't think other countries/terrorists/your friendly neighborhood not-Spiderman still won't be able to go out and get himself a shotgun or an assualt rifle?

If anything that will just make it even easier for a government take over. We have the right to bear arms in America simply because it won us our independence from Britian. Our forefathers forecasted that if something like that happened (i.e. oppressive militaristic government or takeover from another country) that we could band together as a militia and retake it. It's our right as a citizen.

Seriously Chewy, if you heard on the news of the country being invaded, you wouldn't go out to your nearest gun store and pick something up? "Nah, that's ok. I'd rather be unprotected when the soldiers come a'knockn at my door to kill my family and I in our sleep." :confused:

[mech]

North Korea is threatening to use nukes again, and a south korean vessel was mysteriously sunk.


http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=171883

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/26/south.korea.ship.sinking/index.html?hpt=T2


btw, bump.

[flibitijibibo]

Holy shit, for a minute I thought Aggy was back. Talk about a bump.

[Good_Apollo]

k, needs less fail.

Don't worry guys... for the moment, they'd be more likely to nuke themselves by accident. NK isn't known for its highly-trained, elite military and supreme scientists...Though Kim does have an elite force of sexy ninjas at his disposal...with this nuke his arsenal becomes endless!

[Spartan094]

What the. This thread deserves this
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc286/Brandon094/20851_1195715008978_1111536670_3052.jpg

[Warsaw]

I coulda sworn I had registered before this thread started, because I remember it. Damn son...

Anywho, how about that treaty to get rid of nukes, Mr. President? How's that workin' out for ya?

[Anton]

The START treaty is with Russia, not North Korea, right..?

[PopeAK49]

(pic)

LOL

[Atty]

Good bye world, was nice to know you.


(puts on Lead suit and climbs into bunker)

[Warsaw]

The START treaty is with Russia, not North Korea, right..?

Yes, but the point is that as we get rid of ours, North Korea starts cranking out more for itself. Eventually the disparity would shift in their favour.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

Oh shit we will all die!!!

Oh wait - this was months ago

[DarkHalo003]

YAY


Another nation with nuclear weapons in their hands
Basically, now it's a psycho will a nuclear warhead in his hands. In other words, crap.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

North Korea psycho? America was the only country to ever use them in war. Nice one calling them psycho...

Get an objective view about this and not the suggested subjective view you learn about communists countries from the media and/or class.

[CN3089]

Are you suggesting that North Korea isn't psychotic (http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm)? Or that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were somehow insane things to do? I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but at least they had a rational justification behind it.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

had a rational justification behind it.

...????

Then North Korea has a rational justification to has them as well. Doh. America has caused more damage in the past and present than they have so America is a bigger threat. Don't talk in theory and talk about the facts.

[ICEE]

You need to research shit.

Don't get me wrong though, I love watching you be incorrect.

[CrAsHOvErRide]

I actually pity you for being brought up in a close minded environment. Empty words, nothing more.

Did you actually know that "D-Day" is an unknown term for all non-American citizen? It never got translated into any other language, nor do other countries teach it in school. This sums this whole topic about North Korea perfectly up.

[ICEE]

what does landing at normandy have to do with this

[Cortexian]

Did you actually know that "D-Day" is an unknown term for all non-American citizen? It never got translated into any other language, nor do other countries teach it in school. This sums this whole topic about North Korea perfectly up.
Hello I live in Canada and we were educated about "D-Day" in school.

[Good_Apollo]

You speak English and your country was directly involved, if I understand what he's trying to infer...

But yeah, I'm a little lost...

[SnaFuBAR]

US: Used atomic warfare to end conflict over the entire pacific and save millions of lives, though we did it with great remorse. Please note the atomic bombs we used were fairly small scale and did less damage than the firebombings. The use of the atomic weapons on the Japanese mainland BROKE THEIR IDEA OF TOTAL INVINCIBILITY AND STOPPED THEIR CONQUEST OF THE PACIFIC AND CHINESE TERRITORIES. The US, as a result of the cold war, went on to do SALT I and SALT II treaties.

NK: Threatens the use of nukes to initiate warfare and uses them as a threat. Nukes are their intended first resort.

figure it out. who's more dangerous.

[Good_Apollo]

Not to mention the numerous warnings we gave to the Japanese Generals and they refused to surrender, no matter the cost. They initiated the war and caused millions of lost lives, we did what we thought was right to end the conflict swiftly and save more lives. It was, by all means, a last resort.

Despite having one of the largest stockpiles we've never used one since or even threatened to use one to gain leverage against other countries. Plus what Snaf said, we've initiated tons of programs to cease production and cut current stockpiles.

The differences are huge.

[DarkHalo003]

North Korea psycho? America was the only country to ever use them in war. Nice one calling them psycho...

Get an objective view about this and not the suggested subjective view you learn about communists countries from the media and/or class.
North Korea is ruled by a dictator who brainwashes his civilians into thinking he is a god, threatens the world with nuclear warfare to gain supplies, and is one of the most unsafe regions on the entire planet due to their "policies." It's safe to say that the leader is nearly psychotic and that the country's motives aren't beneficial nor in any ways benevolent. Please do some research before saying something so misguided. The U.S. didn't want to use the nuclear warheads in WW2 against the Japanese, but had to due to the need of ending the war fast and to save many more lives, both U.S. and Japanese.

[Warsaw]

Hello I live in Canada and we were educated about "D-Day" in school.

And Canada was invaluable during that invasion, too. Without you guys, it probably wouldn't have been a success.

As for nuking Japan, well...everything's been said. Crash, learn the meaning of "objective viewpoint" and research the two sides before making such a rash statement. From a purely technological standpoint, yes, the US is indeed a bigger threat. Add the ideological and political standpoints, and I'd definitely say North Korea is worse.

[Cortexian]

And Canada was invaluable during that invasion, too. Without you guys, it probably wouldn't have been a success.
I know, I'm just saying, all the Allied states are made aware of the "D-Day" meaning... It's taught in lots of British schools as well so I don't know what CrashOverride is on about.

[SnaFuBAR]

He just takes every opportunity he can to say something about how crazy Americans are and how much depravity they unleash upon the world. :ohdear: It's all rhetoric coming from him and it's sad that he doesn't understand what an ignorant jackass he always looks like in regards to his America-rants.

Don't you live in Germany? Think about that for a second.

[English Mobster]

I talked about this today with my friend, a German exchange student from a hard-to-spell town a little bit east of Berlin (it has an umlaut or five in it, I can tell you that much).

He told me that his school taught him all about D-Day, as well as every other little detail of World War II to keep it from happening again, from the invasion of Poland to the Battle of the Bulge.

I don't know if you're full of shit, Crash, or you didn't pay attention in history, or if your school just didn't teach you about it, but it's definitely something local to you, because you seem to be the only European I've talked to who says that you weren't taught about D-day.

[Spartan094]

NK: Threatens the use of nukes to initiate warfare and uses them as a threat. Nukes are their intended first resort..
North Korea is a bunch of pussies for using Nukes for a first attack, shows how bad they are and can't fight with real guns (oh wait thats right, what kind of military do they have?)

He told me that his school taught him all about D-Day, as well as every other little detail of World War II to keep it from happening again, from the invasion of Poland to the Battle of the Bulge.
Thou this has nothing to do with the topic but isn't Battle of the Bulge (except on my great grandpa's veteran metal its spelled Battle of Bulge), wasn't it like the the bloodiest battle the americans faced during ww2?

[CrAsHOvErRide]

Don't you live in Germany? Think about that for a second.
Half-German. Living in America for 4 years and 15 years in Germany. For my appearance, the Nazis would have probably killed me as well. Talk about making a biased decision, because I have one.


North Korea is ruled by a dictator who brainwashes his civilians into thinking he is a god, threatens the world with nuclear warfare to gain supplies, and is one of the most unsafe regions on the entire planet due to their "policies." It's safe to say that the leader is nearly psychotic and that the country's motives aren't beneficial nor in any ways benevolent. Please do some research before saying something so misguided. The U.S. didn't want to use the nuclear warheads in WW2 against the Japanese, but had to due to the need of ending the war fast and to save many more lives, both U.S. and Japanese.


It's taught in lots of British schools as well so I don't know what CrashOverride is on about.

I am more or less aiming at the posts like the one I quoted above yours.

Who THE FUCK cares what ideology or what leader is living in country XYZ. Only important is the OUTCOME. Most of you seem so infiltrated with propaganda that you cannot even make a biased decision.

You call the Kim Jong Il a psychopath? Just look at the America government and its past leaders. To me Bush is much more of a psychopath than Jong Il because he ACTUALLY WENT INTO WAR. UNLIKE Jong Il who just talks all day long. Yes he is a psychopath but he did NOTHING in comparison to the USA.

America has many more nuclear warheads than North Korea. America is in war, North Korea is barely harming anybody compared to the US. They are torturing people? Just look at Guantanamo. He wants to make his country believe he is god? Just look at America and their so called separation of church and state.

You see from an EXTERNAL point of view the US is a much bigger threat than North Korea or at least not ANY better.


The U.S. didn't want to use the nuclear warheads in WW2 against the Japanese, but had to due to the need of ending the war fast and to save many more lives, both U.S. and Japanese.
Yeah that quote sums everything I said perfectly up. Let's kill some more terroristst in the middle east to save more lives.

I'm going to end this. It's stupid to argue on an all American, war loving forum. Trust me, I am not alone with my "Anti-American" attitude as you call it.

[Good_Apollo]

Have you seen pictures of North Korea? The guy is insane, he devotes all of his power into making himself look like a god while spending the rest on military and propaganda power. His people live in poverty and disease and many starve, while he's busy making movies and trying to develop nukes to retake South Korea. He tortures journalists who report the country's terrible conditions and imprisons anyone who breaks censorship. Anyone even heard making insults pr heard disagreeing with their 'glorious' leader can be put to death.

I find these comparisons to the U.S. because we invaded Iraq and have nukes to be pretty baseless and laughable.

[ICEE]

:allears:

[flibitijibibo]

Seconding CrAsH. It's like everyone forgot about the Bush administration already.

SUPPORT ARE TROOPS 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING GOD TOLD ME SCIENCE AND TOWELHEADS ARE BAD

[Good_Apollo]

Comparing George Bush to Kim Jong-Il.

I may have officially heard it all on these forums. Then again, he's already been compared to Hitler so I guess there isn't much further anyone's posts can go.


Seconding CrAsH. It's like everyone forgot about the Bush administration already.

SUPPORT ARE TROOPS 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING GOD TOLD ME SCIENCE AND TOWELHEADS ARE BADIf you're going to bother posting, make it something intelligible, at least as a courtesy.

[flibitijibibo]

I HATE THIS PLACE SO MUCH, I SHOULD KEEP VISITING AND POSTING. THAT'LL LEARN 'EM >:C

[Warsaw]

I'm going to end this. It's stupid to argue on an all American, war loving forum. Trust me, I am not alone with my "Anti-American" attitude as you call it.

Wait, what? I dare say there are quite a few members on this "all-American forum" that are, in fact, not very America-sympathetic.

[ICEE]

CRASH ISNT AMERCAN!? BAN HIM NOW

[Ifafudafi]

It's stupid to argue on an all American, war loving forum. Trust me, I am not alone with my "Anti-American" attitude as you call it.

You know I'm American and I still think that most of the shit our government does is stupid; American != pro-American policy.

Unfortunately most of the people who aren't all (as p0lar so eloquently put it) SUPPORT ARE TROOPS FREEDOMLAND SPREAD DEMOCRACY WOO are in the very quiet minority so there's only so much we can do :haw:
I normally don't get involved with stupid political threads but the AMERICAN = PRO-NUEK thing really gets to me

[ICEE]

I agree with you up until the SUPORT ARE TROOPS FREEDOMLAN part. Its possible (and necessary imo) to support the troops without supporting the war, or its cause(s/ers). I think one of the worst things we can do as the citizens of a nation is what we did to the Vietnam vets (slander them, call them baby killers, jane fonda, etc). The soldiers we have in Iraq sure don't want to be there any more than we want them to be there.

[DarkHalo003]

I'm just concerned about the whole gimmick of the Middle East. Iran's motives are predictable, but there is no legal evidence to hold them against conspiring to use Nuclear items for weaponry and at the same time the region is completely unstable. If anything, we need to help Pakistan from collapsing with all of that crazy rebellion going on.

[bravo22]

the region is completely unstable.

I live in the UAE (when not in university) and there's no instability there afaik.

I would say the same for Egypt, Oman, Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar, and Bahrain.

Don't generalize an entire region based on what's going on in one country. That's like saying the entire eastern side of Asia is a communist dictatorship just because of North Korea.

[Warsaw]

The vast majority of eastern Asia by landmass is a communist dictatorship though...:downs:

I wouldn't say the entire region is unstable, but I would say that it brews a great deal of trouble.

[ICEE]

I think we need to get the fuck out of everyone else's business and fix our own shit first. Unless theres a vital necessity (such as kim jong il being a massive nukefag), we should leave people the fuck alone. I think that would allow us to focus our resources on our current economical issues and such, and probably bring the world's opinion of us up quite a bit.

[Warsaw]

The problem with that type of policy is that everyone starts ragging on us for not doing anything to help out the other countries...it's basically lose-lose for the USA. :saddowns:

[Dwood]

I say do what we can to prevent enemies from forming alliances strong enough to fight us and forget what their opinion of us are, they arent helping the situation

[TeeKup]

The problem with that type of policy is that everyone starts ragging on us for not doing anything to help out the other countries...it's basically lose-lose for the USA. :saddowns:

That's something I believe we need to just bear with. Personally I wouldn't mind a good 10 years of isolation to reform some things in this country.

[sleepy1212]

That's something I believe we need to just bear with. Personally I wouldn't mind a good 10 years of isolation to reform some things in this country.

agreed. besides, 90% of the haters would die of starvation if we left.

[thehoodedsmack]

agreed. besides, 90% of the haters would die of starvation if we left.

I don't think you fully understand the consequences of cutting off all trade ties. America is in no position to make economic threats.

[sleepy1212]

I don't think you fully understand the consequences of cutting off all trade ties. America is in no position to make economic threats.

I don't think you fully understand sarcasm.

I doubt anyone is seriously suggesting total isolation. More likely it's just the idea that we should deal with problems at home.

[ICEE]

Not trade isolation, we just need to stop throwing our weight around.

I don't think we should be concerned about people bitching about us not helping people either. Seems like everybody wants to bite the hand that feeds anyways.

[Roostervier]

i can't say this for certain, but i'd have to think we've got some forms of agreement going on with occupied places that prevent us from just packing up and leaving. not to mention we use these places as a way to extend our military influence and response time in other regions of the world (leaving would then, therefore, be much more difficult). simply saying "let's leave" without thinking about the consequences isn't that great of an idea, although i think weaning ourselves off of foreign entanglements would be an alright idea (refusing to get involved in any future places, and finishing up where we are now).

[mech]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/19/south.korea.ship/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Oh my, this could get ugly.

[ICEE]

oh dear. United states allied with south korea. China possibly allying with north korea. World fucking war three. Being on the US coast nearest to North korea definitely doesn't make me happy.

[English Mobster]

Oh, fuck fuck fuckidy fuck.

WWIII, here we come.

[CN3089]

This isn't going to start a war you big dumb babies, calm down



They'll get sanctioned to fuck, though

[English Mobster]

All things considered, if North Korea does do something fucking retarded, Russia and China probably wouldn't destroy their ties with the U.S to help them. They're both too involved in the United States economy to risk going to war with us.

Then again, everyone's economy IS in the shitter, and WWII DID get us out of the Great Depression...

[Cojafoji]

S. Korea isn't willing to risk war over one ship. There's too much at stake. Out of the economy's that took a hit, Seoul wasn't that badly affected.

/story.

[Spartan094]

:ohdear:

Just talk's for now.


All things considered, if North Korea does do something fucking retarded, Russia and China probably wouldn't destroy their ties with the U.S to help them. They're both too involved in the United States economy to risk going to war with us.

Then again, everyone's economy IS in the shitter, and WWII DID get us out of the Great Depression...

Only because of the War Factories that the US did and most of the women helping to fill in mens jobs for the time during WW2. Only because of war factories helped boost the economy to get us out of it. And there were more people back then that worked harder then today, since today most (not all) people want their stuff just handed to them and not working as hard.

And all the lazy people not wanting to get a job too is why the economy is doing bad. But that's off topic from Korea.

[rossmum]

All things considered, if North Korea does do something fucking retarded, Russia and China probably wouldn't destroy their ties with the U.S to help them. They're both too involved in the United States economy to risk going to war with us.

Then again, everyone's economy IS in the shitter, and WWII DID get us out of the Great Depression...
why the fuck would russia want to support north korea in any way

it's not the 50s anymore

[n00b1n8R]

They'll get sanctioned to fuck, though
>Implying NK isn't already sanctioned to fuck
>Implying NK gives a flying shit about anything anybody thinks or says or does about them

Also what's this about KJII going to china? I thought he was seriously ill. I'm clearly living under a rock.

[CN3089]

>Implying NK isn't already sanctioned to fuck
>Implying NK gives a flying shit about anything anybody thinks or says or does about them

Also what's this about KJII going to china? I thought he was seriously ill. I'm clearly living under a rock.

>posting like this is 4chan



Get out.

[SnaFuBAR]

knock it off guys.

[Cojafoji]

This just in:


"Our army and people will promptly react to any 'punishment' and 'retaliation' and to any 'sanctions' infringing upon our state interests with various forms of tough measures including an all-out war" - North Korean National Defence Commission statement

S. Korea might not be wanting to go to war, but it looks like the North is gearing up for it. Perhaps their resources are nearing an end? I've seen hundreds of photos smuggled out of N. Korea, as I'm sure all of you have, and shit looked like their belts were pretty tight. Japanese pre-ww2 mentality? Start local and then hit the big boys? Or will someone step up and help them, defying UN sanctions?

Fuck.

[paladin]

I heard, theyll declare war if SK retaliates for the sunken ship last March.

[CN3089]

I heard, theyll declare war if SK retaliates for the sunken ship last March.

No need, they've been at war for 60 years now :hist101:


e:


north korea can basically do whatever the fuck it wants minus crossing the DMZ and nothing will happen because

1.Seoul won't exist anymore along with the 2 million people in it
2. China

*edit*
3. North Korea straight up does not give a fuck

[paladin]

isnt seoul within artillery range anyway?

[n00b1n8R]

You'd think they'd move the capital some time in the 50(?) year ceasefire.

[thehoodedsmack]

Tension brewing, but not yet war.

N. Korea severs all ties with S. Korea (http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/msnbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=24354164)

I don't know if this is the right thread for it, but it seemed close.

[Kornman00]

Isn't NK's military pretty much its entire population? If it went to war, wouldn't everyone would be fair game in that retrospect (no collateral damage)?

Someone give NK's boss a fucking bottle already.

[=sw=warlord]

Isn't NK's military pretty much its entire population? If it went to war, wouldn't everyone would be fair game in that retrospect (no collateral damage)?

Someone give NK's boss a fucking bottle already.
"North Korea's leader ordered its 1.2 million-member military to get ready for combat."
That sounds about right.
That said, Kim Jong Il hasn't been seen in public for a pretty long time.
So it's entirely possible the leadership is getting edgy maybe due to ill health which would probably compromise or at least undermine the leaderships power.
Last I was told by a friend from near there, the population see their leader as all that is good in humanity and would do anything to protect him, always referencing to him as their "dear leader".
If the numbers above to be believe and the the entire military doe's in fact get mobilized there will not be a single chance the US can have any hope of protecting the S. Koreans as well as fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That's my personal take on all this anyway.

[Kornman00]

I'm sure the UN would be sending in troops if the North did go south. The US wouldn't be the only ones to provide military support

[CN3089]

"North Korea's leader ordered its 1.2 million-member military to get ready for combat."
That sounds about right.
That said, Kim Jong Il hasn't been seen in public for a pretty long time.
So it's entirely possible the leadership is getting edgy maybe due to ill health which would probably compromise or at least undermine the leaderships power.
Last I was told by a friend from near there, the population see their leader as all that is good in humanity and would do anything to protect him, always referencing to him as their "dear leader".
If the numbers above to be believe and the the entire military doe's in fact get mobilized there will not be a single chance the US can have any hope of protecting the S. Koreans as well as fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That's my personal take on all this anyway.

The South Koreans could probably handle North Korea by themselves, even without American aid (which would primarily be provided by the Navy and Air Force, branches which aren't as strained by your current conflicts). The problem is that North Korea has enough artillery pointed at Seoul to annihilate it (and the 25 million people living in it, about as much as the entirety of the North) far more quickly than either the ROK or the USA could take them out.



Anyways unless somebody in the DPRK really goes off his rocker this isn't going to be a war, neither side is that stupid/insane, stop fantasizing

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I'm sure the UN would be sending in troops if the North did go south. The US wouldn't be the only ones to provide military support

China has a permanent seat and veto on the security council, so no, hth

[rossmum]

It wouldn'tbe the UN, but I can definitely see at least some neighbouring nations (and probably us too) going in as well should everything go to absolute shit

[rossmum]

Not sure if someone's posted it already, but a friend linked me to this (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes!-%282009%29). Very interesting assessment of NK's capabilities.

[paladin]

That was interesting, with lots of pretty pictures