What on earth is going on?

[Dwood]

No matter what I do, I am making Tool screw up.

I'm so frustrated right now because it's not accepting the shaders I've defined no matter what I do. This is for a simple, 2- material BOX MAP what the heck?

E: Sel helped me out, now I know (kinda) what to do. I'm going to revisit this tomorrow b/c I'm too annoyed to continue lol.

[Limited]

You sure you converted it to an editable mesh before exporting?

[Dwood]

You sure you converted it to an editable mesh before exporting?

I'm using editable poly. Does Tool not compile meshes or something?

[Maniac]

I think when exporting, bluestreak prefers mesh, blitzkreig does not care.

[t3h m00kz]

What I usually do is convert to editable patch, then mesh, then export. Be sure to save before you do so, it unhides every edge.

[Dwood]

Yeah I managed to get it so that it SHOWS the bsp in game, now the problem is that the map comes out completely white lol.

[teh lag]

Then you (most likely) don't have properly set-up shaders.

Make sure your BSP is referencing shaders that have actual bitmaps referenced in them (check in guerilla).

[Dwood]

Then you (most likely) don't have properly set-up shaders.

Make sure your BSP is referencing shaders that have actual bitmaps referenced in them (check in guerilla).

Why doesn't it just autocreate the shaders and compile my bitmaps? Or does it do that and I'm just missing something?

[t3h m00kz]

Shaders are a pain in the ass.

what you need to do is set up a multimaterial, and use that to texture the BSP. Name each one of the sub-materials to the shader you want it to use. Once you export and run it through tool, it will auto-search your /tags folder for the shaders to use.

[Higuy]

Why doesn't it just autocreate the shaders and compile my bitmaps? Or does it do that and I'm just missing something?
Halo's engine was made in 2000. What do you expect? Nothing next gen of course. You have the run the commands to convert the tifs to bitmaps, go into guerrilla and create your shaders. Long procces, but it works and is worth it.

[Dwood]

Halo's engine was made in 2000. What do you expect? Nothing next gen of course. You have the run the commands to convert the tifs to bitmaps, go into guerrilla and create your shaders. Long procces, but it works and is worth it.

Yeah that's a step the official tutorial seemed to miss. :| I can't wait until Formlesstree finishes his tool # completely such that it streamlines this mess a bit more hopefully.

[Higuy]

Yeah that's a step the official tutorial seemed to miss. :| I can't wait until Formlesstree finishes his tool # completely such that it streamlines this mess a bit more hopefully.
It wouldn't be a mess if you knew what you were doing. What you normally do when putting a bsp ingame is to convert all the bitmaps and set them up properly, and shaders before putting the bsp ingame. Put them in there designated folder so that tool will automatically pick them up. If there not in the levels shader folder, it'll keep looking for a shader with that name from your materials in max. If it dosent find one, it makes one itself which is white.

[Dwood]

It wouldn't be a mess if you knew what you were doing. What you normally do when putting a bsp ingame is to convert all the bitmaps and set them up properly, and shaders before putting the bsp ingame. Put them in there designated folder so that tool will automatically pick them up. If there not in the levels shader folder, it'll keep looking for a shader with that name from your materials in max. If it dosent find one, it makes one itself which is white.

Yeah that's what I did, now that I know what I'm doing. :P

[sleepy1212]

Shaders are a pain in the ass.

what you need to do is set up a multimaterial, and use that to texture the BSP. Name each one of the sub-materials to the shader you want it to use. Once you export and run it through tool, it will auto-search your /tags folder for the shaders to use.

yes, and like higuy said, compile your bitmaps first and make your shaders put them in the map folder mapname/shaders before you run tool structure. during the structure compile the shader locations are set. if you don't have them made already then it defaults to the tags folder and any settings/changes you make in the shaders wont take....unless you run structure again.

[Dwood]

All right so I've set my level to 0,0,0 and it goes off to the middle of no where in sapien. :/

[Higuy]

All right so I've set my level to 0,0,0 and it goes off to the middle of no where in sapien. :/
make a box in your level in max. write down the coordinates. open level in guerrilla, make a new scenery, place it at those coordinates. open sapien, go into scenery and double click the object. you'll move to the location.

that, or you just didn't run lightmaps?

[Dwood]

make a box in your level in max. write down the coordinates. open level in guerrilla, make a new scenery, place it at those coordinates. open sapien, go into scenery and double click the object. you'll move to the location.

that, or you just didn't run lightmaps?


I ran lightmaps. that's for sure. my reference frame is right underneath the map... would that cause a problem?

[Vicky]

I'm sure you could find a video-tut on how to make a level...

[Sel]

Why doesn't it just autocreate the shaders and compile my bitmaps? Or does it do that and I'm just missing something?

The shaders are created, you have to run seperate commands for bitmaps, and then reference them in the shader in guerilla.


Shaders are a pain in the ass.


Not really :\

Compared to most other engines, the shader creation and setup is relatively simple.

[Geo]

The shaders are created, you have to run seperate commands for bitmaps, and then reference them in the shader in guerilla.



Not really :\

Compared to most other engines, the shader creation and setup is relatively simple.


The difficulty lies with tweaking them too look good. It is an old game after all.

[sleepy1212]

I ran lightmaps. that's for sure. my reference frame is right underneath the map... would that cause a problem?

nah, are you able to move the camera to your level while in sapien or is it completely gone?


make a box in your level in max. write down the coordinates. open level in guerrilla, make a new scenery, place it at those coordinates. open sapien, go into scenery and double click the object. you'll move to the location.

could he just place scenery in sapien, set its coordinates to 0,0,0 manually and then doubleclick?

[Geo]

Yeah if you box modeled the map then you should set it on 0,0,0 but if you started with a plane then it should at least spawn the camera over that starting plane, provided its on 0,0,0. I would try seeing where your map is located at in Max.

[Higuy]

could he just place scenery in sapien, set its coordinates to 0,0,0 manually and then doubleclick?
You can't place scenery out of the skybox! :cop:

[sleepy1212]

You can't place scenery out of the skybox! :cop:

lolz sry officer

[Vicky]

Of course you can :P

Btw, isn't he making a skybox of 0.2x0.2x0.2 ? Unlikely he'll get a decent level if he is...

[Dwood]

^^^ - What?

[Vicky]

What what?