Airsoft Thread

[RedBaron]

If you don't mind going for a cheaper brand than VFC, echo 1 is releasing a clone of their mk17 model sometime this year. From the looks of the prototype, it'll have a working bolt catch and licensed trades. This makes me angry since I just bought their older mk16 with fugly blocked out trades from dboys. I really can't compare the quality of echo 1 to other guns since I just got into this hobby, but I have to say I'm pleased with their overall build quality (despite my mishap, which would have been easy to fix for anyone with a little bit of experience). They also use the standard V2 gearbox, so you can upgrade the internals as you like. The only limitation is that I think the hopup is unique to the SCAR. They also seemed to have cloned the way VFC hides the battery wire inside the hinge of the folding stock.

E: Scratch that on being echo 1, I'm not completely sure anymore since I lost my source, but I remember reading it was them and how they got the trades. Anyway, some company is releasing one with full trades, and I'm guessing it should be cheaper now that it's gen2(or 3). You can check out evike's facebook album (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#%21/album.php?aid=48477&id=169537669730532). Second and third image shows a new mk16, there's pics of the mk17 in black further down the page.

[Cortexian]

The MK17 is technically a SCAR-H, I want a SCAR-L for the easier to source mags. If I were to go the SCAR-H route I'd get the SSR:
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[RedBaron]

At any rate, I would still wait for that new model, there's a new one for both the mk16 and mk17. Looks to me like the lower receiver has much more detail.

[Cortexian]

Do you have a link to the new versions they're releasing? Photos would be helpful. That said, everyone up here says the way to go is with G&G or VFC if you want a SCAR and I don't think anyone even bothers to bring the Echo 1's into Canada.

[RedBaron]

The only thing I know of it is evike's ominous facebook album labelled as new releases to come in 2011. I posted a link to it in a previous post. There is also a FN2000 with it's unique telescopic scope.

[Cortexian]

oh fuck, if G&G make the FN2000 with integrated scope as seen in the top picture here I'm so down:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs074.snc6/168404_188024067881892_169537669730532_634184_6112 157_n.jpg

I don't see an FN2000 with telescopic stock though... Unless you meant the above, which is just an integrated optic.

[RedBaron]

That's what I meant, though that would be awesome with a telescopic stock:

http://files.xboxic.com/xbox-360/splinter-cell-double-agent/scda-screen-x360-shoot-01-05-06.jpg

Probably won't be possible for AEG's though, that's where the gearbox goes

[Cortexian]

I still need to get down to a store and hold an FN2000, I know they're very bulky and pictures just don't seem to do them justice to that fact. I'll have to see if it's a comfortable fit before locking into an FN2000.

Ares Tavor is out, they're still running $795+ in Canada ($895 for integrated MARS sight version).

[Warsaw]

It's like a P90, but bigger. No, seriously.

[RedBaron]

I have not held either guns, but I feel like the P90 would be too small for my shoulder width, and that the FN2000 would be perfect.

[Cortexian]

It's like a P90, but bigger. No, seriously.
I'm more concerned with how wide the FN2000 is, looks like a whale in comparison to the P90. Not really to concerned with the ergo, but gonna have to try it out and see if I can get used to the bullpup style reloads (Rossmum, give tips you bullpup reloader you!).

[Warsaw]

Width of the gun where you grip it is around an inch and a quarter to two inches, I think. It's also actually very easy to reload a bullpup, unless you want to keep your weapon pointed in the same direction (this takes a bit more practise). I personally don't give a hoot about re-sighting because it's airsoft; precision is shit at any significant range unless sniping. I just rest the butt of the rifle on the bicep of my trigger arm while I remove the magazine, slap in a new one, rack it for the lulz, and presto. You are now reloaded and ready to fire.

[Cortexian]

I do like how the mag release is situated on the FN2000, just grab the mag and slide your hand towards the top of the gun and you fingers will hit the mag release. Then you just grip the mag and pull.

Fake E: It's a modified Ver 6 mechbox in the FN2000 right?

[RedBaron]

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I tried getting a small game going last weekend, but I had a mishap with a screw holding my pistol grip onto my SCAR (shitty Chinese aluminum crap, the head of it actually came off). I was doing some final spray painting for the grip, and also my new mk23 sidearm. I got my friend to get me replacement screws, which he tells me fits well, all should be good for our next attempt at a game... I've had nothing but bad luck with my SCAR so far lol.

[Cortexian]

You mean your front vertical grip came loose? If your "pistol grip" (that houses the motor) came loose you'd have big problems lol. Not to mention it should be stuck to the motor pretty damn good, which should be anchored to the gearbox lol.

If it WAS your front vertical grip, that happens with almost all the really cheap clone grips, those are really only good for show. Magpul/Magpul PTS accessories ftw! If it was your pistol grip, wtf? I've never seen that happen lol.


My VFC SCAR-L CQC should be here today/tomorrow. Coming with 3 tan hi-caps, 1 mid-cap in gray, 2 pmag mid-caps in black and 2 pmag mid-caps in OD. I'm also getting a set of Magpul (probably PTS, didn't ask) MBUS's in tan on the gun and a black ACOG red dot because he couldn't find the actual SCAR iron sights. Will be trying to trade all the mags away for tan mid-caps since those are what I like most for my play style.

Some photos they guy took of it before sending it out:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3980/img00620201102132331.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6784/img00625201102141051.jpg

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9683/img00624201102140915.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/177/img00626201102141051.jpg

I think it looks good without the stock SCAR sights on it, makes it look unique. Adding the ACOG will only add to that factor in my opinion, not to mention all the other accessories from my other SCAR. Gonna look into picking up a barrel extension (maybe go the QD suppressor route) and longer inner barrel (tight-bore obviously).

[RedBaron]

Lol, yes I meant the main grip that houses the motor. It was only attached by two screws on the inside reaching onto the bottom of the gearbox. One of those screws died. The grip was pretty sturdy with only two screws, but obviously only having one presents some issues. My friend said he found replacements, so it's alright. The thing is that the screw that broke, still has it's threads stuck in the hole on the gearbox. Not really a problem, since there are actually 4 screw holes, and only 2 of them were used originally. Hell, I could use all 3 remaining holes now. I also made sure that I didn't touch the motor plate adjustment at all when I dissembled it. The bottom line is that my pistol grip is no longer OD (it came OD stock for some reason?) and is now the same tan color as my vert grip and mags. :neckbeard:Plus the slide of my MK23 is also the same tan color. I wish I took some pictures, I always forget.

E: lol I typed pistol "gripe" on my previous post, fixed

[Cortexian]

Post some pics of the painted stuff, especially the MK23. Would love to see how that looks! :)

Came in the mail about an hour ago and I got all the accessories on it now:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8008/vfcscar01gritty.jpg

[RedBaron]

Jaw dropper right there. Looking fly as hell with that ACOG. I won't get the pics till the next time I go home from university :(

[Cortexian]

I'm going to try and get something CNC'd that will replace the stock front sight that the SCAR comes with and extends the top rail. :)

EDIT: Destroyed the battery the guy shipped with it, 9.6v 1400 MaH. Got it IN the stock just fine, however I think I shoved it to far in because when I went to take it out there was literally no way to get at the cells themselves without pulling on the wires attached to them. Obviously the wires ripped out of the battery.

Oh well, I'll go buy some shrink wrap and turn this "nun-chuck" type battery into a 4x4 block type and build in a "pull cord" that attaches securely to the thing.

DOUBLE EDIT - God this thing is gorgeous! Had to make myself a wallpaper:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5593/vfcscarl.jpg
2560x1707 for you 2560x1600 supremacists.

[RedBaron]

Kind of off topic, but I just finished watching Inception, and it was the first Hollywood blockbuster I've seen that featured the FN SCAR.

1995

[Cortexian]

He imagined the wrong one into existence, shoulda wished for a SCAR-H for the baddies he was trying to take out in that scene!

Also, I thought I remembered seeing some SCAR's in Transformers 1/2...

[Cortexian]

Double posting to bring your brain into overdrive... Try and make sense of some of this why don't you!


So lets see if I'm on the right track here, in D19-13-2 the following is stated (on page 10 of the previously linked PDF for reference):

“Uncontrolled” firearms
5. “Uncontrolled” firearms are those devices that, although falling within the definition of a firearm in the Criminal Code, are exempt from specific legal requirements of the Firearms Act and its regulations, as well as from other legislative provisions. “Uncontrolled” firearms do not fall under Tariff item No. 9898.00.00, and are generally admissible into Canada. “Uncontrolled” firearms should not be subdivided into any of the non-restricted, restricted, or prohibited classes. The following types of firearms are deemed “uncontrolled”:

(a) Irrelevant information removed...

(b) Irrelevant information removed...

(c) Irrelevant information removed...

(d) Low muzzle velocity/energy guns – Any barrelled weapon that is not designed or adapted to discharge projectiles at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 metres per second (500 feet per second) and at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or to discharge projectiles that are designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 metres per second (500 feet per second) and an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules. Both thresholds of 152.4 mps and 5.7 Joules must be exceeded for the firearm to be considered “controlled”. This requirement exempts firearms that fire below the threshold velocity with a standard projectile, but exceed the threshold velocity when fired with a high-velocity projectile.

Note: The term air gun is a colloquial term referring to BB or pellet guns. Such guns operate either as spring-powered, gas-powered, or electrically powered. If the muzzle velocity of the air gun is less than 152.4 mps (500 fps)/5.7 joules but still able to cause serious bodily injury to a person, it may be considered an “uncontrolled” firearm. Most airsoft guns and certain types of paintball guns are considered replica firearms (see “Prohibited Devices” below).In the last paragraph, the underlined concerns me... Airsoft is specifically singled out as being Prohibited... Lets continue to the relevant "Prohibited Devices" information anyways:

Prohibited Devices
General
49. A prohibited device is:

(a) any component or part of a weapon, or any accessory for use with a weapon that is prescribed to be a prohibited device (e.g. any device designed for the purpose of discharging cartridges in rapid succession, bull-pup stocks, etc.);

(b) a handgun barrel that is equal to or less than 105 mm (approximately 4.1 inches) in length, but does not include any such handgun barrel that is prescribed where the handgun barrel is used in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union;

(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm, such as silencers (please note that some silencers attached to airsoft guns may also be deemed prohibited devices if they can be used in real firearms);

(d) large-capacity cartridge magazines prescribed by regulation; or

(e) a replica firearm.

Replica firearms
50. “Replica firearm” is defined as any device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, a firearm, and that itself is not a firearm, but does not include any such device that is designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, an antique firearm.

51. For a device to be a replica firearm it must meet all three requirements:

(a) it cannot be a firearm, meaning it does not discharge a projectile with sufficient energy to cause serious bodily injury or death to a person. If the device is a firearm, then it cannot be a replica firearm (and vice versa);

(b) it must resemble exactly, or with near precision, a real existing firearm of an identifiable make and model. With respect visual examination, note that the maximum observing distance is one at which the equivalent make and model of the firearm can be identified. This distance will vary from one firearm make to the next. For example: A Luger pistol has a very distinctive silhouette as compared to other makes and is therefore more readily identified from further away. The examination of the object is something more than casual, but less than detailed. The device does not need to be so close that markings are identifiable; and

(c) it cannot be designed or intended to exactly resemble, or to resemble with near precision, an antique firearm (see Antique Firearms above).

52. In addition, there are other material considerations that must be considered when examining a device suspected of being a replica firearm. Amongst them:

(a) scale and size;

(b) translucency (i.e. whether light can travel through it). At the time of publication, there are no firearms made of glass or translucent material. However, such a determination is not absolute. Much of this consideration depends on "how translucent" the material is and what are the parts that are translucent. For instance, a transparent firearm-like object made of dark, barely translucent material could resemble a firearm. Also, be aware that certain ammunition magazines may be translucent or made with transparent plastic materials (e.g., the magazine of the SIG 550 assault rifle);

(c) shape (whether all major parts from the original firearm are reproduced-even if they do not move).The underlined sections in the "Replica firearms" category above is most of the relevant information in that section correct?

54. The following are examples of devices that may be considered replica firearms (however, each device must always be assessed on a case-by-case basis and taking into account all the above-mentioned criteria):

(a) Irrelevant information removed...

(b) Most airsoft guns and certain types of paintball guns or markers are considered replica firearms. This is because the muzzle velocity of the projectile does not generally cause serious bodily harm and their external features are clearly designed to resemble a specific and readily identifiable make and model of a firearm. The jurisprudence has established that to consider a firearm within the meaning of s. 2 of the Criminal Code, an airsoft gun must have a muzzle velocity in excess of 124 meters per second (407 feet per second). Therefore, due to their strong resemblance to real firearms and their lack of capacity to cause serious bodily injury, most airsoft guns (and some paintball guns) are generally considered replica firearms.

Exception: The following goods generally do not meet the definition of prohibited weapon, and thus do not fall under tariff item 9898.00.00. Their misuse may nonetheless be punishable under other laws:

(a) an air gun or BB/pellet gun that resembles a real make and model of a firearm may not be a replica firearm if it is an “uncontrolled” firearm (see “Uncontrolled” firearms).The above underlined is basically the "loophole" that allows airsoft guns to be considered Uncontrolled firearms if they're above 407 FPS but below 500 FPS?

This is all so confusing! :confused:

Posted that on Airsoft Canada in the latest discussion thread on importing airsoft guns yourself without a Business Firearms License (BFL). Some people have been having luck importing them by making sure the gun they are importing is shooting between 407-500 FPS or upgraded to do so by the retailer before shipping. Then the retailer includes all of this relevant information in the declaration paper-work so the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) agent that inspects it can be subtly reminded how to do his job properly and release the gun without having to send it to the RCMP for testing and potential destruction/denial.

The thing is, is that if the gun is just upgraded by the retailer (for example; I buy an airsoft gun that shoots 350 FPS from Airsoft GI and have them upgrade it to shoot 430) then there's no visual "proof" that the CBSA agent can look up on their website or the manufacturers website saying that the gun meets the requirements we say it meets. So just saying "430 FPS with .20g BB's, Uncontrolled firearm" on the box won't cut it unless they can see some proof that it's firing at those speeds.

When I get a job here I'm going to call up Airsoft GI about potentially adding a "Canadian Guns" section to their website. Basically it will list all of their airsoft guns and the parts they pre-install to make it fire in the 407-500 FPS range. Then when a Canadian customer orders that gun, the gun is pulled from their stock, upgraded with the required parts, legal declaration documents printed, and box clearly marked that it's "4XX FPS with .20g BB's, Uncontrolled firearm for Canada". Seems simple enough and potentially a big market for Airsoft GI to work. It may then be possible for me to hook Airsoft GI up with the CBSA so they can arrange a more streamlined process for packages coming in from them specifically.

Thoughts?

[Warsaw]

So wait, you have to upgrade it to shoot harder to get it through customs? Am I misunderstanding something?

Also, you would need SKU numbering on the guns so that they know it hasn't been tampered with and that it is what the paper says it is.

[Amit]

So wait, you have to upgrade it to shoot harder to get it through customs? Am I misunderstanding something?

Also, you would need SKU numbering on the guns so that they know it hasn't been tampered with and that it is what the paper says it is.

Couldn't that number be printed prior to a gun being "tampered" with, though?

[Cortexian]

Yeah, basically they need to be upgraded to the point where they're considered an Uncontrolled firearm based on the Low muzzle velocity/energy statement in the first section.

Basically 407 fps with 0.22g bbs. < > 500 fps AND 5.7 joules.

If it meets those requirements and is on the Canadian Firearms Reference Table (the real gun obviously) then it should make it into Canada no problem. When I have some extra cash I'm going to try and bring up a G&G FN2000 I think.

[Cortexian]

Completely awesome bump-worthy double-post!

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I know the design and such has been around but it was unveiled at shot show 2011 in airsoft format from Magpul PTS. I'm gonna be holding off on getting a second AEG until this thing comes out, looks awesome and I'll be able to use my STANAG/M4/M16/AR-15 magazines with it!

[Warsaw]

Couldn't that number be printed prior to a gun being "tampered" with, though?

There are ways to get it mostly fool-proof. Stamp the SKU on the inside of the magazine well (or some other hard to reach spot), perhaps? Would be hard to replicate for someone without the equipment. Airsoft stores also wouldn't want to jeopardize their business, so them faking it is not likely.

E: That gun looks like an FN2000 on cocaine or a P90 on steroids. I don't particularly dig the look.

[RedBaron]

Meh, not really a fan of the skinny width and front rectangular block. Then again, I never liked the P90. I prefer the FN2000 out of the three.

[Warsaw]

If it didn't have that retarded-ass loopy fore-grip, it might look cool.

[Cortexian]

I agree, if they were to make the following detachable via bottom picatinny rail it would be better. You could go without it or stick your own "stubby" vertical grip on it if you didn't like the P90 style ergonomics.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6789/42006000.jpg

[Spartan094]

Ment to tell you guys but I got a "Box of Awesomeness" from Evike thanks to their facebook page on Feb 24. They only had 30 of them and were up for $30 bucks and I got the very last one I was told. And right now it should arrive on Monday or Tuesday. The box has random contents and I just said to heck with it and I'll cash in on it.

It weighs 8.2 pounds so I have high hopes it has some good stuff in it.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=41_562&products_id=31306
Theres the link for more info about it.

[RedBaron]

Wow, 8.2 lb could very well be a full airsoft gun, or a lot of tact gear. It might be a scrap yard gun though. I wish I was around for this deal, $30 for 8.2 lb worth of stuff is a steal.

[Amit]

Ment to tell you guys but I got a "Box of Awesomeness" from Evike thanks to their facebook page on Feb 24. They only had 30 of them and were up for $30 bucks and I got the very last one I was told. And right now it should arrive on Monday or Tuesday. The box has random contents and I just said to heck with it and I'll cash in on it.

It weighs 8.2 pounds so I have high hopes it has some good stuff in it.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=41_562&products_id=31306
Theres the link for more info about it.

ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG. :neckbeard:

[Spartan094]

Wow, 8.2 lb could very well be a full airsoft gun, or a lot of tact gear. It might be a scrap yard gun though. I wish I was around for this deal, $30 for 8.2 lb worth of stuff is a steal.
Just hoping for a brown box tomorrow :parrot:

[Spartan094]

Damn no brown package.....then it should be tomorrow.

[RedBaron]

Let us know what you get! I'll definitely jump on one next time they're available.

[Spartan094]

I r dissapoint....not really :d
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4305/1001986f.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9872/1001987j.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4724/1001988w.jpg
Glock springer
500 .20 g white bb's
Digital Desert Shirt
Awesome Gun case
Some wipes you soak in water and unroll to use(?)
And a wrist band saying Support our troops

and some badass ninja/navy seal dude

no the pen didn't come with it

[Amit]

Ah man, that stuff is cool for so little green.

[RedBaron]

Definitely still worth it. I got that same jacket for $25.

[Cortexian]

Good gun case for an SMG.

[Spartan094]

Good gun case for an SMG.
It does fit my M4 after I remove the stock lol. But yeah it's good for the SMG.

Also evike sent me the RIGHT sized jacket surprisingly and fits me just fine. But what I do want is a actual Digital Camo ACU uniform...meh I'll buy it from Ranger Joes sometime.

E: from 2nd post I deleted
Oh fyi guys this is the next airsoft gun I'm getting next. And I am not changing my mind.
http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AEG_AGM_MP44_WOOD_lg.jpg
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=31134
Real wood, I wanna know about your opinions guys about this.

[Spartan094]

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9831/boame.png

I like this deal for $150. They have 200 boxes as well so dont worry! I want the Magpul Masada :>

They will put this up at 3:30 PM EST (12:30 pm PST) And they will only have 200.

[Cortexian]

Haha, it's like exactly the same as the Airsoft GI boxes they had a couple weeks ago.

There goes Evike again, living up to their stereotype of not being able to come up with anything original themselves. I really like GI as a company better, they seem to be doing a lot of stuff first, and better than other retailers. I can only speak of what I've seen and read online though, since the only stuff I can order from them is things that aren't guns or "scary looking" basically.

[Spartan094]

My problem with Airsoft GI is their prices. Evike prices them lower and I have coupons making it cheap seeing I don't have a ton of money imo.

[Cortexian]

GI has a 5% off coupon 99% of the time, and usually a 10% or 15% off code every month or two.

[Spartan094]

GI has a 5% off coupon 99% of the time, and usually a 10% or 15% off code every month or two.
Evike has a 15% coupon all year round. A 20% every so often. And they send you a 16% coupon if you order something. That's just me. Besides the MP44 I want is $30 cheaper on evike ($220) then on airsoft gi ($250). Plus I'm going to use the 16% coupon evike sent me so it's about almost $205.

Fyi I didn't buy the uh mystery package, don't feel like gambling my money because I need a new AK gearbox because my other one brokeeee.

[Cortexian]

Hmm, I wonder if GI price matches.

I'd probably still shop with them for a few bucks more though, they seem to have better customer service from what I've read (lots of horror stories here in Canada of Evike literally just taking our money and not even shipping the item out).

[Amit]

Hmm, I wonder if GI price matches.

I'd probably still shop with them for a few bucks more though, they seem to have better customer service from what I've read (lots of horror stories here in Canada of Evike literally just taking our money and not even shipping the item out).

Jesus. Got any links?

[Cortexian]

There are a lot on Airsoft Canada (http://www.airsoftcanada.com). Lots are in the Age Restricted discussion though, so you need to be age verified which is only something you can really do if you live in Canada lol.

[Amit]

Snap, haven't been there in years. I already have an account there, but there is only one rep for the Durham region and there's practically no info on him so I probably won't ever get verified D:

[Cortexian]

The Age Verifiers usually respond to PM's pretty quick.

[Amit]

Alright, I'll give him a shout when exams are over. I won't have time to out and find him until May.

[Spartan094]

Welp Freelancer you convinced me to buy MAGPUL mid-cap m4 mags when I order my StG44. I forgot when you told me to get MAGPUL m4 mags but I'm getting some for my m4. Getting two 75rd's to be exact.

[Cortexian]

You mean P-MAGS? Magpul makes a couple different variations now.

[Spartan094]

You mean P-MAGS? Magpul makes a couple different variations now.
Yep P-MAGS.

I thought about it for sometime when you said I should get Magpul P-MAGS back when I was getting the M4 for christmas and I hated the Hi-cap mag that came with the M4

[Cortexian]

PMAGS are godlike, I don't mind regular STANAG mags as long as they have Magpuls on them though. In fact, I probably reload faster with STANAG mags w/Magpuls than I do with the PMAGS lol.

Mid-caps are king though, anywhere from 60-90 rounds and you're ballin'.

[Spartan094]

Yay Evike once again has a 20% off coupon, valid till 4/4/11 better order my stuff now I guess

Coupon: Airsoft

[Cortexian]

Oops, forgot to mention that ASGI had a 20% off cupon that combined with ASGI points and free shipping as well until yesterday...

[Spartan094]

Oops, oh well. I already did money math and my stuff is still cheaper at evike then airsoftgi. And I have no ASGI points because I don't order from them, so I got a better deal on evike. It's just my preference. And this is an overall total if I were to get both stuff from ASGI and Evike.

[FredKrueger]

I have http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_45_252&products_id=3248 (http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_45_252&products_id=32484) and http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=27380.
And a few cheap spring pistols. Have had the rifle for about 3 years I think. Bought the pistol a few months ago. Pretty sweet for the money. Only problem with it is that the slide doesn't want to lock back sometimes.

[Spartan094]

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7941/1002028k.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7818/1002033i.jpg
$42.39 at my local sports store, a hell lot cheaper then ordering from either Evike or ASGI to me, and I got a ton of coupons from them.

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=32_182&products_id=30330
Everything in that description matches the one I bought. Also reticules are not blurry :d

Also its only RED, not both Red & Green

[RedBaron]

Wow that's a steal. If you look back a few pages, I got my eotech replica for $85, and it's pretty blurry in low light.

[Cortexian]

I like the combo dot-cross on my panorama sight optic like that.

[Warsaw]

I always use the ring and dot because it looks like the K-14 reflex sight used on US WWII fighters...

[RedBaron]

I'm SO upset this (http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=34721) came out after I already bought the light version, especially since I've run into several problems with mine. At least I'm family with my insides though, and I guess my version is easier to maintain...

E: IT HAS A WORKING BOLT CATCH ASSEMBLY?!

[Warsaw]

That magazine looks wrong. I could just be imagining things, but it seems to me that is a 5.56 VN magazine painted tan and not a 7.62 magazine. That said, something about that whole gun seems...off.

[Cortexian]

Yeah I don't like the new Echo-1 SCAR-H versions, like Warsaw said something about them is off. The L version is cheaper to source mags for anyways, might as well buy a GBBR if you want to buy H mags at retail.

[Spartan094]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4654/1002055j.jpg
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1362/1002060r.jpg

Finally got back home to try it out and it works like a charm, looks awesome to for only $42 :3

Also that SCAR looks really off, the whole entire thing looks really off.

[Warsaw]

It's been wholly squished length-wise. The magazine is definitely a 5.56 short, or at the very least it's too small in breadth to be a 7.62.

[RedBaron]

Now that I look at it more closely, the bottom rails on the foregrip looks to be the same length as my SCAR-L, which is not possible for a full sized 7.62 mag. Still, a working bolt catch is pretty awesome...

[Cortexian]

The VFC's have a semi working bolt catch.

[Warsaw]

VFC is a sellout. They used to make absolutely gorgeous AKs, and now all they do is make fucking SCARs, M4s, and PMC AKs like every other shitty airsoft company.

[Amit]

Meh, I never liked the look of the AK to begin with.

[Warsaw]

I do. I think it's the sexiest assault rifle ever created. It's the worst weapon of mass destruction on the face of the Earth. It works when you need it, and with the right ammunition it's more than accurate enough. It also has its own range of accessories (scopes, grenade launchers, etc.) on a standard attachment system that makes it competitive with Western systems. The latest in the family is more advanced than the M16, G36, F2000, SCAR, and even the HK416. It (AK-107) is surpassed only by the AN-94. The only downside is the tiny bullet, but even our guns have that problem.

Sure, we have tons of VFC AK clones now, but the only quality AKs out there are either railed pieces of shit or G&G. I like G&G, but what if I want a steel receiver pinned together with a nice laminated wood set? Wouldn't be so bad if real AK-74 furniture didn't cost $750 for a set. It was nice knowing there was a quality manufacturer of Eastern weapons on the block. You can turn to any vendor in the Top 3 and find a good M4, but you try being an AK afficianado and finding a gun that you are completely satisfied with.

[Amit]

The AK is a beast. An outstanding weapon. I want one. But I don't dig the look of it. That's not to say I think it looks bad. There are definitely worse looking rifles. I like the structure of the AK-47, but it's the wood that I don't like. There are only a few weapons that I like that are wooden. Those would be the WWI/WWII era weapons and the M14. I like the modern dark appearance of AK derivatives and new weapons with the AK look.

It's amazing that Kalashnikov is still alive.

[Spartan094]

I own a airsoft AK47 you all guys should know, it shot great I just needed a better battery and now a new gearbox. Which im pestering my parents to order my mags, new battery, and a new ak gearbox. I also decided to withhold buying the airsoft StG44

Also the AK is the most known assault rifle ever. Oh a heads up on AK47 accessories, they can make internal silencers for it now just like the MP5-SD. It also was put through mud, water soaked, sand, and all the standard tests for a AK47 and it worked just fine.

[Warsaw]

Yeah, you see. You need a new gearbox. VFC v.3 gearboxes were second only to Tokyo Marui in reliability. CYMA and D-boys just can't compare. And then they do a shit job on the wooden bits. First they are thin. Second they are usually painted, not stained. Finally, they are not made of laminate.

I want to finish my 1953 Soviet loadout, but nobody makes an AK-47 up to snuff. There is no steel receiver for the AK-47 unless you want to drop $1200 on a terrible Inokatsu kit.

[Cortexian]

Warsaw, why do you care about any airsoft AK except for Real Sword guns... They're easily the best airsoft AK's on the market, most realistic build quality, look and fell, and they operate very well out of the box as well...

[Warsaw]

1.) RealSword AKs are not 100% compatible with standard parts.

2.) They have Chinese markings.

3.) They ARE Chinese.

4.) I hate the Type-56 with it's swing-out bayonet.

5.) Overpriced

6.) Only RS gun I want is the SVD. Classic Army just can't compare.

7.) G&G has that whole gas-tube/piston thing going on theirs and I fucking love that (I have their RK104).

8.) VFC has made the only good AK-74 to date. G&G makes a good polymer '74 (with the wrong magazine), but that's not what I want. They also make a fantastic AKMS, but again that's not what I want. VFC makes the best AK-74M as well. Also the AK-105.

I'm very particular when it comes to AKs. It must be solid. It must have correct markings. It must have as close to correct dimensions as possible while still being after-market-friendly. Why? Because AKs have character. M4s all look the same no matter what you do to it. You can have the most kickass mod system on it, but someone else can replicate it if they want. An AK can be beaten savagely, deliberately worn, and otherwise be made very personal on a level that no plastic black rifle ever can. Some great photos can be found here (http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=11104.0). I'm Lead Ace. I don't have my gun up because it's a.) broken and b.) not customized to my liking.

There are also at least three more "Post your Guns" threads. I haven't browsed that newest one yet, but look for the others.

E: Here's the Post Your Guns v. 4 thread (http://www.red-alliance.net/forum/index.php?topic=6233.1095). More pictures. Better pictures.

[Spartan094]

I so jelly now after those pictures.

Dammit :smith:

[Warsaw]

Some of those guns are actually almost entirely built from scratch. There are a few VSS Vintorez/AS Val rifles in there. There are Jugo AKs, AMDs, and Tabuks. There's even a Bizon. Those were labours of love.

[Amit]

So let me get this straight, Warsaw. You want an airsoft AK-47 that looks exactly like the real thing? How is it that nobody makes such a gun if the AK-47 is the most popular rifle of all time? Also, you say no matter what you do to the M4, somebody else can replicate it. Well isn't that also the case on the AK-47? They are both very generic weapons.

[Warsaw]

You misunderstand. The AK is a base. It's what you do after that makes it unique. And it's a subtle uniqueness that makes it yours. If I were to buy, say, the G&G AK-47 today, I have several things I can do to it right off the bat that you couldn't. I have some out of production , legitimate Polish wooden furniture, for starters, that I have to restain myself and cut up to fit an airsoft receiver. I have a first-generation Soviet side mount (that you can't really find anywhere, this thing is custom) that was used on AK-47 proper for Gen 1 night vision scopes. Then there's my choice of magazines. I can cut up a real slab-side and insert airsoft guts and have something nobody else on the field will have.

Now, if you do the same thing as best you can:
1.) Your stain will never come out the same as mine and your wood grain is different anyways.

2.) You will have to settle for a later generation side mount, which in and of itself is mounted further forward than the Gen 1.

3.) You have to either use the typical ribbed magazine.

4.) The nicks and scratches that inevitably end up on your furniture during this process and during play are yours. They also change the colour of the stain as it pools. As the gun ages and is used, the stain wears away.

5.) The metal bluing/phosphorous coating will also get worn, but M4s don't look good scraped up and they don't scrape up very easily in the first place. Plastic guns like the SCAR or G36 won't scrape at all.

Bottom line is that AKs (or Eastern Bloc guns in general) gain character and Western guns don't. It's that character which makes them unique. Some kid and his bone stock VFC or TM AK does not have a unique gun. Someone who took their VFC or TM and turned modified it will have something special and unique to them. An M4 or SCAR will never be that way because all the bits and pieces are cookie-cutter copies of each other. Now, you see M4s with attachments and different stocks all the time, and those are all appropriate for the way the gun is used in real life. When was the last time you saw an AK that was appropriately modified like the ones you see in my links?

[Amit]

I see what you're saying now. I guess there is more "character" to the AK, as you say it, than the M4 or other modern weapons. Well, if you dig the way the gun ages, that's good, but personally that doesn't appeal to me. What I like in a weapon is one that looks pristine from the day I buy it to a decade later. That's why the M4 is one of my favourite weapons. It's the modularity of the attachments that make it cool to me. Of course, that's all personal preference. Still, I think there is a specific purpose that guns don't use wood parts anymore.

[Cortexian]

I've restrained myself from expressing my true feelings about wood-furniture AK's in this thread so far... I think I need to express it now so you can see my point of view.

I think any AK variant with wood furniture looks like it was cobbled together with bits of leftover parts.

I think any AK variant with more modern "black" furniture looks like some cobbled together machinery trying to look new.

That's just my opinion on AK's. I don't like them at all. I don't like all that "character" that they have. The point of creating a weapon system in my mind is practicality, you put something together that works the way you play. Who cares if someone replicates it? That's a compliment to the original creator in my opinion, it means they liked it so much that they wanted to try out that style as well.

I share your opinion about uniqueness when it comes to computers though. That's one reason I'm looking into water cooling my next build, not many people do it compared to your average PC gaming build. That's neither here nor there in this thread but I'm just saying I understand why you like the character an AK-47 has. My old real steel Remington 700 carbine (18.6" barrel) is like that, I just love it for some unexplained reason. Our new Browning BAR 30-06 Semi and new Thompson/Center Venture just don't do it for me like that Remy does even though they're technically "better" guns. That said, if I got myself an HK MR308, fuck the Remy it can burn in a fire for all I care.

[Warsaw]

Well, the difference is that the AK mods are to make the gun look like the real weapon and M4 mods are simply adding doodads.

The reason guns don't use wood anymore is because it's both heavy and expensive. Wood is still a better material than plastic for a firearm because it does not melt. It can catch fire, but it does so at a higher temperature than polymer melts and if it catches fire, you're doing something very wrong. There are small shops in less developed countries that manufacture AR-10s and AR-15s using wood parts. I always thought that was cool.

Anyways, to each his own. You guys like pristine, I like rugged. All of the guns we mentioned are fine pieces of equipment and do their jobs well. :p I just maintain that VFC is a sellout because they seem to want to manufacture the same shit everybody else does instead of their unique line of AK-74s, so now people like me have to use the shitty Chinese copies.

[Spartan094]

9.6V 2300mAh and 9.6V 1600mAh. What are the difference between the two? I forgot what mAh does.

[=sw=warlord]

9.6V 2300mAh and 9.6V 1600mAh. What are the difference between the two? I forgot what mAh does.

Milli-amps/ hour
higher the number for amps pushed through per hour.

[Cortexian]

Get higher mAh whenever you can, the higher the mAh the longer the battery will last and the longer you can play. I try to keep everything at 2000 or higher when I can depending on the gun.

[Warsaw]

Rule of thumb is 1 BB = 1mAh. So 2000 mAh is roughly 2000 rounds fired.

[Cortexian]

^ That, with a stock gun. Upgrades can throw that off in either direction depending on what you do, if you increase the torque of your gun and throw in a more powerful spring the BB's per mAh will go down. If you throw in a lighter spring with high speed internals the BB's per mAh will go up because there's less stress on the motor and battery.

However you could do a crazy combination of high torque motor and high speed gears with slightly more powerful spring to get a faster ROF, and higher FPs at the same time in which cause your BB's per mAh will really drop.

Basically, more power = worse batter performance. More speed (within reason) = better battery performance. That said, with more speed you fire off BB's at a higher discharge rate so your battery may put more rounds down range but still die in the same time as a high power gun.

Get a LiPO. :)

[Warsaw]

I like to keep my guns firing between 600-800 rounds per minute. Any more and it really feels like a toy.

[t3h m00kz]

I'm finally getting into airsoft. I picked up a gun from a local shop, the owner said it would be decent for beginners. Echo 1 M8A4 CQB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbDpggO8a8c

Also picked up an 80 buck red dot/laser sight combo.. definitely better than that Panther Arms DPMS I picked up about a year ago.

I CANT FIGURE OUT HOW THE FUCK TO TAKE OFF THE REAR SIGHT

[Cortexian]

There should just be one screw/bolt on the rear sight that you unscrew to detach it from the rail. From the looks of it it's the one on the right-side of the gun.

[Spartan094]

I'm finally getting into airsoft. I picked up a gun from a local shop, the owner said it would be decent for beginners. Echo 1 M8A4 CQB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbDpggO8a8c

Also picked up an 80 buck red dot/laser sight combo.. definitely better than that Panther Arms DPMS I picked up about a year ago.

I CANT FIGURE OUT HOW THE FUCK TO TAKE OFF THE REAR SIGHT
I was thinking of getting the red dot/laser sight combo but I didn't feel like spending an extra $40.

Also why do you need to take off the rear sight when you can just flip it down? On the left side I its a hex bolt I think from looking at the video, I think it needs a 2.5 hex screw driver to take the rear sight off.

[RedBaron]

My friend was in a situation just recently where it was absolutely necessary to use his $1,000 ARES M4 in extended long periods of full auto fire. His LiPO basically melted on him. Inside his gun.

[Amit]

My friend was in a situation just recently where it was absolutely necessary to use his $1,000 ARES M4 in extended long periods of full auto fire. His LiPO basically melted on him. Inside his gun.

Holy Fuck. That sucks.

[Cortexian]

Apparently he's an idiot and wasn't using a MOSFET. That or he tried to squeeze a few more shots out a depleted LiPO battery, they have issues when you try an "GIVE HER ALL SHE'S GOT" in comparison to NiMH batteries.

[Warsaw]

S'what he gets for using an M4...

:realsmug:

[Spartan094]

S'what he gets for using an M4...

:realsmug:
Oye mate, hey you, ya you, stfu

[Warsaw]

=þ

All the kiddies use M4s. So what if he spent $1000 on it, it looks just like a $400 M4. Whoopee.

When will people realise that there are other guns out there in the world that do a better job than the M4? G36, G3 (sexy-looking beast), M14, AUG, FAMAS, MP5, P90, MP7...etc. Not mentioning the SCAR because that seems almost as common as the M4 these days. Not mentioning the HK416 either because it looks nearly identical to the M4. I can respect people wanting to look precise, tactica,l and clean, but come on. The M4 in airsoft is like everyone in CoD using the UMP-45 on Hardcore...

[Amit]

=þ

All the kiddies use M4s. So what if he spent $1000 on it, it looks just like a $400 M4. Whoopee.

When will people realise that there are other guns out there in the world that do a better job than the M4? G36, G3 (sexy-looking beast), M14, AUG, FAMAS, MP5, P90, MP7...etc. Not mentioning the SCAR because that seems almost as common as the M4 these days. Not mentioning the HK416 either because it looks nearly identical to the M4. I can respect people wanting to look precise, tactica,l and clean, but come on. The M4 in airsoft is like everyone in CoD using the UMP-45 on Hardcore...

I can respect people wanting a characterized look with personalized aging, but really, not everyone has the same tastes as you. It just so happens that a lot more people like that clean look of a modern gun. There's nothing wrong with that. That doesn't make them less of a person.

[Warsaw]

You missed.

We are talking within the clean look of a modern gun only. There are more clean looking guns than just the M4. Why does EVERYBODY have to have an M4? Just like the AK, it's a substandard piece of shit in real life use. Can't punch through shit, cap'n.

[Amit]

Well, think about it. There isn't much selection is it? I like of the Beretta Rx4 Storm, but only one company makes airsoft versions of it and from what I read, it misfeeds sometimes and the Iron sights are crap (no adjustments). Also, the orange flash hider is glued on which is bullshit. Canadians don't need orange tips on their guns.

[Cortexian]

The airsoft CX4-Storm is utter crap, don't even consider it until a well known GBB company like KWA makes one that will take Beretta magazines from their own Beretta series. Then you can get both a Beretta and a CX4-Storm and only buy one type of magazine!

Just like I'll be buying a KWA KRISS Super-V (Vector) when they release it. It takes KWA Glock magazines so I can get a KWA Glock in the future and use those two as my CQB kit if I want.

[Warsaw]

Well, think about it. There isn't much selection is it? I like of the Beretta Rx4 Storm, but only one company makes airsoft versions of it and from what I read, it misfeeds sometimes and the Iron sights are crap (no adjustments). Also, the orange flash hider is glued on which is bullshit. Canadians don't need orange tips on their guns.

The M4 is not the only clean, tactical gun. It's not even clean. It has just as many greeblies on it as the AK. I mean, you have the Masada, the SCAR, the G36, the FAMAS, the MP5, the L85, TAR 21, AUG A3, and the G3/G33 to chose among. I'm sure I missed a few. Those are all fine weapons (except the L85...gross =þ). I mean, people with similar taste to mine don't have much to choose from, so we have an excuse for having either an AK-47 or AK-74 (IDF Galils are expensive as hell and AMDs come and go).

What I'm getting at is it is statistically improbable that such a large number of the population has the same exact taste in airsoft weaponry. I feel like it's more of a bandwagon thing with the M4 than it is a genuine love of the weapon. If you don't have an M4, you are a nub.

"What do you use?"
"Classic Army MP5A2."
"Ha, faggot. Pros use Systema M4s."

Alternatively:
"What do you use?"
"Classic Army M4A1."
"That's cool. Should look into Systema if you can afford it. Much better quality."


Freelancer, KWA stopped making Glocks a long time ago. I had their G23F, and sold it. It worked well, but the slide was all wobbly. You should be able to use KSC Glock magazines in the Vector, since it's an offshoot of KWA.

[Cortexian]

KWA is an offshoot of KSC actually, KWA is the American version of KSC and technically the same company.

And, when it comes to performance you can't beat a Systema unless you pour thousands of dollars and many hours of work time into an existing AEG. That's why people love the Systema PTW so much. I'm more interested in Celcius CTW's which are basically Systema clones at a more affordable price. Since both the Systema and Celcius platforms are only really great in the M4/M16 style that's what everyone likes to use.

If Systema would make PTW versions of other guns then they could easily wipe the rest of the other manufactures out and lower their own costs... They'd be selling so many guns because they're so much better than regular AEG's that they could theoretically lower the costs of the guns eventually. They won't because like everyone trying to sell something they're greedy corporate suits of course...

[TVTyrant]

People take airsoft that seriously??? Like enough to insult each other's equipment?

[Cortexian]

People take airsoft that seriously??? Like enough to insult each other's equipment?
It's a sport that's trying to REPLICATE warfare. The guy with the most realistic and best performing stuff will always be the idol to be pursued.

Airsoft up here in Canada is less about little skrim games (especially since we can't legally play anywhere that isn't licensed and ensured for paintball style activities) and more about MilSim games with objectives, pyro, etc... People take gear pretty seriously up here. Our retailers don't even bother bringing in the lower end stuff that's sold in the USA, it's not worth it to 90% of our player base. Hell, our guns have to be able to shoot between 407 - 500 FPS even to be imported legally. 420 - 430 FPS is quickly becoming the field standard here.

[TVTyrant]

I get what the point is, I just have never heard of it being so big. That's pretty cool though. I'd be down for that if they had big time matches locally.

Additionally what are some of the best gun companies? I might get interested in this lol.

[Warsaw]

KWA is an offshoot of KSC actually, KWA is the American version of KSC and technically the same company.

And, when it comes to performance you can't beat a Systema unless you pour thousands of dollars and many hours of work time into an existing AEG. That's why people love the Systema PTW so much. I'm more interested in Celcius CTW's which are basically Systema clones at a more affordable price. Since both the Systema and Celcius platforms are only really great in the M4/M16 style that's what everyone likes to use.

If Systema would make PTW versions of other guns then they could easily wipe the rest of the other manufactures out and lower their own costs... They'd be selling so many guns because they're so much better than regular AEG's that they could theoretically lower the costs of the guns eventually. They won't because like everyone trying to sell something they're greedy corporate suits of course...

That's all well and good, but the point was that the guy with the expensive M4 will look down on users of any other gun, but less so on the guy who is at least using some kind of M4. That's how bad this M4 bandwagon is. People aren't gravitating towards ARs because of Systema/Celsius. Classic Army is more than sufficient for 90% of the player base. However, I would kill for a Systema system AK, and not for the performance. I want the tiny motor. Airsoft AK grips are fatter than the real one by a notable margin so they can hold the motor cage. Systema motors can fit into the real grip. If I had a Systema-system AK, I could use my entire furniture set. As it is, I can only use the stock and hand-guards unless I want to splay open my pistol grip and splice a spacer into it.

@TVTyrant: VFC, G&G, Systema, RealSword, and KWA in no particular order. Best budget brands are D-Boys and CYMA. I'm actually impressed with CYMA because in 2006, CYMA was just a shitty brand that made guns about as good as Well (which means barely held together via glue). Now they make all metal guns (pot metal, but still metal) shooting at respectable velocities and with a reasonable amount of quality control. Great to buy if you want to get your feet wet or if you need a base gun to do a project.

[Cortexian]

G&G is considered as a starter gun here in Canada heh.

Also, Systema and Celcius users here in Canada look down on every other player equally. That said, most of the Systema and Celcius users here are pretentious dick-twats that have more money than brains and get out played by those of us that have some smarts and team skills. There's one group in specific here that loves to set themselves up for failure by taking the defender role every time they can with less people because they all rock Systema's or AEG's with thousands of dollars worth of upgrades in them... They almost always lose much faster then when a similar amount of people with shittier guns take the defense role, they place to much faith in the equipment and not enough in practice.


People will always be like this, about anything. When I was at a pipe and drum camp in 2006 or so we went to play at a parade. A "rival" Army Cadet band was there (we were Air Cadets) and I always have a good laugh with my friends about this... The situation was this: They had completely uniform kit, really nice wardrobe, looked really sharp, etc but they sounded like garbage compared to our band. We had decent kit that was mostly uniform across the board but the camp we were at didn't have all the bells and whistles for our wardrobe kits like the Army Cadets, we looked a lot plainer. Anyhow, at one point one of their drummers approached our lead tip (head drummer) and proceeded to make a comment about his drum key (little hex key tool, similar to a small tire iron) that was similar to the following:

"Oh you've got a Yamaha drum key? Mine's a Perl".

I mean, GOD DAMN! It's a little chunk of metal, could be pot metal for all anyone cares... It's for adjusting your drum, it has almost nothing to do with how you sound, look, or anything... People are silly about possessions this way.

[TVTyrant]

Similar experience in Football. Some guys on our team had the money for really expensive helmets/pads and such. I had a Riddell Revolution (a more than decent helmet designed around 2001) and pretty nice pads etc. One of my buddies looked at me as I was taking it off and was like "Dude, you STILL wear a Revo?" BTW, this dude never played a down of varsity in his life. Same kind of bullshit.

[Amit]

I don't know how somebody could own a weapon just because everyone else has one. The way I see it, the only way I can own an airsoft weapon is because 1. It performs good and 2. it looks awesome.

For me the M4 would be the primary gun I'd be looking to purchase. The S-system version looks really nice. Problem is that they are expensive as fuck to buy IN Canada and it's hard to find one that shoots between 407 and 500 to import that isn't over $400 USD.

Btw, Freelancer, I said Rx4 Storm. Not Cx4. Rx4 is a semi-auto Carbine that uses the standard NATO 5.56mm and STANAG mags. Benelli makes a version called the MR1. But I heard the company that makes the Rx4 airsoft, JLS, is shit.

[Warsaw]

When you say S-System, you aren't talking about the Tokyo Marui one are you? Don't ever spend money on the brand. They are overpriced, barely-better-than-CYMA-while-being-made-of-plastic, crap-performing guns. Best bet is to buy a nicer gun that shoots at the higher FPS for import and get an after-market kit. It's hard to get exactly what you want on the first buy in airsoft; you usually have to build it up over time.

[Cortexian]

Btw, Freelancer, I said Rx4 Storm. Not Cx4. Rx4 is a semi-auto Carbine that uses the standard NATO 5.56mm and STANAG mags. Benelli makes a version called the MR1. But I heard the company that makes the Rx4 airsoft, JLS, is shit.
Rx4 is even worse than the Cx4 why would you want that ugh. It's a shotgun system that fires rifle rounds and it looks gross, just get a Benelli M4.

[Amit]

Rx4 is even worse than the Cx4 why would you want that ugh. It's a shotgun system that fires rifle rounds and it looks gross, just get a Benelli M4.

Just like the look of it. Well, not really the RL look. I dig the way it looked in GRAW 2, though. Didn't make sense in GRAW 2, though. It was semi AND full auto. There's no full auto in real life and in semi-auto mode, the recoil is exaggerated. Then again, in the game it's chambered for the 6.8mm x 43mm SPC cartridge.

So badass looking:

http://images.wikia.com/ghostrecon/images/9/92/Rx4.jpg

[Warsaw]

It looks good until the rear. From the pistol grip on, it looks as bad as the EBR.

[Amit]

I don't mind the stock, but I wonder what an M4 stock would look like on that.

[TeeKup]

I don't think it should use a banana magazine, other than that I would love to get my hands on that rifle.

[Warsaw]

It takes STANAG magazines. That means any STANAG-compatible 5.56 magazine will work in the gun, and not all of them are bent like that. There is actually no reason for a 5.56 magazine to bend, because it's not rimmed and the cartridge is not tapered.

[Cortexian]

Feeds better that way according to everything I've read on the subject. Magpul had an article on it somewhere, but now I don't remember where I found it...


I don't mind the stock, but I wonder what an M4 stock would look like on that.
It basically does have the M4 stock on it, at least the collapsing style:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5480/benellim4adjustable.jpg

I like the full stock better:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2526/benellim4standard.jpg

If you're talking about AR-15 style stocks, those might make it look better but there's no reason for that weapon system to use a buffer tube. The tube extension on that would have to be purely cosmetic.

[Amit]

If you're talking about AR-15 style stocks, those might make it look better but there's no reason for that weapon system to use a buffer tube. The tube extension on that would have to be purely cosmetic.

Yeah, meant the M4A1.

[Warsaw]

Personally, I like traditional grips over pistol grips on my shotguns. Feels more "right."

[Cortexian]

I hate traditional grips, on all guns. Harder to control and less comfortable.

[Warsaw]

Those are both debatable.

[Cortexian]

Less comfortable maybe, pistol grip is always easier to control though.

[Warsaw]

Again, still debatable. It depends on how the recoil is directed through the gun. The higher up the chamber and barrel, the crappier the recoil control. Thompson has a pistol grip and it's a bitch to control compared to a UMP 45. Pistol grip has absolutely nothing to do with it. The only grip that actually adds more control is a fore-grip versus no fore-grip. That's why I hold ARs and even my Enfield by the magazine.

[Cortexian]

By the mag-well*

Holding the magazine causes bad things to happen, this from personal experience on a few different magazine fed weapons including M14's and AR-15's.

Also, a pistol grip gives you more control over the entire weapons stability. Imagine holding a tube, it can rotate around in your grip a bit. This is similar to what can happen on traditional style stocks/grips, the rifle has more freedom of movement to rotate. With a pistol grip, that's almost impossible. Add to the fact that holding a traditional rifle grip in the firing position for a long time puts strain on the wrist, a pistol grip also fixes this problem.

Obviously if your gun is rotating around in your grip you're doing something incredibly wrong, but a pistol grip does offer a more stable firearm platform.

[Warsaw]

Most guns have no grip-able magazine well, so I just said magazine.

A traditional grip is also not a tube. Most come down at a steep enough angle to prevent that. In addition, the way you have to hold the gun in place with the other hand completely prevents it from rotating around; you have to be completely ignorant on firearms to screw this up. The only real differentiator between the two is that you have to deal with the stock coming off of the end. Your thumb still wraps around, holding it in place. In fact, it's actually easier to rotate with a pistol grip because now you have a clear-cut lever to act upon.

Also, shotguns have a high barrel. Pistol grip + shotgun = serious tendency for muzzle climb. A traditional grip puts the shotguns into a more in-line layout, making it easier to control.

[Cortexian]

I was more or less referring to a situation where you actually need to hang onto your weapon and get it back into a firing position quickly. Lets say you fall/slip, if you're experienced with firearms you should let go with one hand to steady yourself but keep the other hand on the firearm to make sure it's in a controlled direction and such. If you let go with your trigger hand it doesn't matter what kind of grip you've got, obviously. If you let go with your other hand though I'd have to say a pistol grip would be better, I stumble every now and then in the woods while hunting and the traditional style grips provide less of a control factor than pistol grips. I trip and fall quite often when playing airsoft when sprinting from cover and such, and it seems that a pistol grip is much easier to maintain control with.

That's my personal experience at least. Add that to the fact that I think they're more comfortable and I don't really have a reason to not use a pistol grip. The fact that shotguns have a higher barrel then rifles doesn't really matter if you know how to shoot properly.

[Spartan094]

So I heard California is getting its panties in a bunch and trying to pass a LAW where ALL AIRSOFT guns are CLEAR with orange tips. Wouldn't that hurt ASGI, Evike, and all other airsoft companies in Cali.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_0751-0800/sb_798_bill_20110413_amended_sen_v97.pdf

Fuck that

[Cortexian]

If they're clear I doubt they'd need orange tips as well. And yes, that would ruin US retailer sales into those areas. If that happens the retailers will most likely do what our Canadian retailers did for awhile and get the "bad parts" in smoked/clear plastic.

See the follow for what I'm talking about:
http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-gg.htm

Just look at the full size images in the sub-categories on that page. They're really not that bad at all.

[Bodzilla]

air soft confuse's me.

you guys know it's not a gun, you shoot little pellets at people regardless of whether it's clear or not, because it's going to work.



Why does it even bother you.
is it the romantic fairytale around firing a real gun, does it hurt pretending when it looks less like a gun..... i dunno. wouldnt the end result be the only important thing here, why does it have to look like something else.

[Warsaw]

So I heard California is getting its panties in a bunch and trying to pass a LAW where ALL AIRSOFT guns are CLEAR with orange tips. Wouldn't that hurt ASGI, Evike, and all other airsoft companies in Cali.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_0751-0800/sb_798_bill_20110413_amended_sen_v97.pdf

Fuck that

No. Fuck California. Arrogant sons of bitches, even by American standards. The government of that state can go jump off a bridge, and if they are so eager to set precedent and lead the nation, they can take the Feds with them, too.

Bod, it's not just about shooting people in a game. Some of us are as much into looking the part as we are actually playing the part. Some of us dump four times as much into looking compared to what we spend on playing.

[Spartan094]

http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AEG_MP44_AEG014RBK_1_lg.jpg

Can you see this gun being smoked clear or even just clear plastic? It's just wrong to do that to a WW2 replica, the orange hider is obnoxious but hell its better then a full clear one.

I can't believe I was born in California, went down hill after I left

[Bodzilla]

but why are looks teh most important things :S????????

[Cortexian]

Because airsoft is about replicating warfare. The more realistic the better the immersion and the more fun to be had.

[Warsaw]

If you want to just shoot people and have a good time, play paintball.

[Bodzilla]

americans.

[TVTyrant]

americans.

Because airsoft is about replicating warfare. The more realistic the better the immersion and the more fun to be had.

Canadians.

[Warsaw]

More like Australians. They just don't get it. :p

[TeeKup]

americans.

We enjoy our guns. In all forms. That's not exactly a secret you know.

[Donut]

americans.
i cant tell if youre kidding or not, but for me at least the fun of airsoft is not just shooting at each other with pellets, its the fact that i can hold a pellet shooting version of a gun that would cost an upwards of 10,000 dollars. for example, buying a real m249 saw, if you can even find a legal one, would cost at least 13,000 US dollars. an airsoft one that feels the same is about 500 US dollars. so now instead of just playing pellet wars with whatever gun, youre using an m249 saw. its like a double win. we buy guns that emulate real guns because believe it or not, sometimes you CANT buy a real version of the gun you want.

why do people like to drive nice cars? theyre all just cars, the point is to get you places, so as long as they all work well, whats the point in driving a nicer car?

E: also the biggest airsoft enthusiast in here is from canada.

[Warsaw]

You mean the biggest airsoft enthusiast with money to spend is from Canada.

Trust me, if I had the cash Freelancer's loadout wouldn't hold a candle to what I'd do. No offense intended, Freelancer.

@TeeKup: I just noticed that your location says South Carolina. Holy fuck that's only, like, eight hours from here. =O

[TeeKup]

:D I live close to Sever AND Warsaw? Neat.

[TVTyrant]

Nobody lives in Oregon :( makes me cry.

[Cortexian]

You mean the biggest airsoft enthusiast with money to spend is from Canada.

Trust me, if I had the cash Freelancer's loadout wouldn't hold a candle to what I'd do. No offense intended, Freelancer.
None taken, if I had the cash my loadout wouldn't hold a candle to what I'd wear either.

[Spartan094]

So I finally got the go to order the StG44, $196 final, seeing I'm moving from Georgia in 13 days I ordered it to be sent to my new house up in Michigan (And I know of a airsoft store in Michigan and I am told the owner has a back wall full of them, so I'll go check him out when I get up their on like May 21st or 22nd.)

[Warsaw]

None taken, if I had the cash my loadout wouldn't hold a candle to what I'd wear either.

But you still have more than me. :p

[Cortexian]

But you still have more than me. :p
Yeah, I'm going to try and swap my Crye CAGE chassis and blast belt replicas for something a little less bulky and more comfortable. The real CAGE versions I've tried are slightly more comfortable but still very restrictive. Not to mention real CAGE's cost more than anyone playing airsoft could ever afford.

[Warsaw]

I would do a WWI German MG set-up. I'd need to get that airsoft M1919 Browning as a base.

[Spartan094]

My StG44 came in the mail today, yay, to bad I ordered it to my new house in Michigan, won't be able to see it till Friday. I'll get pictures up then.

[Higuy]

Alright guys. I'm a new person to airsoft and I'm looking for a decent AUG to play around with... If someone could show me into the right direction, that'd be great. I've looked at a few already but im not entirely sure if there over priced, has good specs or what. Basically I've been playing with my bro's airsoft AK for a while and decided to get my own.

These are the ones I looked at:

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/Airsoft_JG_UA_2_MILITARY_AEG_Rifle_w_Scope_p/jg-0449a.htm

and

http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?products_id=23860
(im going to assume If I want a scope on that, I'll buy one)

Either way, I know im going to have to dish out some money.

Thanks...

[Cortexian]

The CA will be MUCH better than the JG. From what I've heard locally from AUG owners CA and TM make the best ones.

[Higuy]

The CA will be MUCH better than the JG. From what I've heard locally from AUG owners CA and TM make the best ones.

All right, thanks for the info.

[Warsaw]

I don't know if there is one or if it only comes as a kit, but get an AUG A3 if you can. It looks much better and it has more attachment points for useful doodads.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

Anyone got an 8.4v small type for sale?

[Spartan094]

Anyone got an 8.4v small type for sale? son you would have gotten it if you went through with buying my MP40 before you decided to buy dem shitty headphones

Har har! Also I shall have pics tomorrow with me and my stg44. Fuck the most exspensive airsoft gun I ever spent my money on, I'm done for a very long time

[Higuy]

I ordered the CA AUG AI Civilian yesterday. Got it on Evike :)

[Spartan094]

Click on to see full image and its glory
http://spartan094.codebrainshideout.net/personal/100_2089.JPG

[Warsaw]

My buddy has one. Watch that stock, it comes loose.

Also, it needs to be roughed up a little.

[Spartan094]

My buddy has one. Watch that stock, it comes loose.
Not the new updated models. It's very sturdy to me and I took it that stock off plenty and it holds just fine for now. I'll tell you in 3 months what happens :v:

Also don't worry, its going to get roughen up in a few months as well.

[Warsaw]

Naw, that won't cut it. You're going to have to lightly take some steel wool to the edges and protrusions to give it that WWII look.

[Amit]

My god that thing is sexy, except for that orange eye sore which is not required in Canada...mainly because we suck and our laws are weird. And customs doesn't allow low FPS airsoft guns to be imported, only guns that shoot between 407-500FPS, which means basically nobody has access to them (unless local store).

[Warsaw]

I know the AGM StG. 44 used to shoot 420fps out of the box and was listed as such. If it still does, it should be easier to import except for the whole not having a translucent receiver bit...

[Spartan094]

My god that thing is sexy, except for that orange eye sore which is not required in Canada
I already took that orange tip off, I need to find somebody with a legit mp44 black flash hider which I think I know somebody that does.

Naw, that won't cut it. You're going to have to lightly take some steel wool to the edges and protrusions to give it that WWII look.
Will do sometime. If I can find some which shouldn't be hard, only hard part is making it look WWIIish without damaging it enough to me.

My only complaint on it is the fact the fire selector moves forwards and backwards which trips me out and that the fact the grip should have wood on its sides not metal.

[Warsaw]

In real life, the grips had bakelite (early plastic) sides. Paint them black after you've worn the gun and you're good.

[Spartan094]

In real life, the grips had bakelite (early plastic) sides.
I am dissapoint. Real wood looks good in my opinion but the rifle is already far to heavy, even in real life it was fucking heavy which it got criticized about.

[Warsaw]

Technology of the time. They didn't really get light until they replaced all the wood with plastic. To me, that's a terrible idea because the plastic on all these guns melts at a lower temperature than wood begins to burn. That's one of the reasons why the XM8 failed.

[Spartan094]

Technology of the time. They didn't really get light until they replaced all the wood with plastic. To me, that's a terrible idea because the plastic on all these guns melts at a lower temperature than wood begins to burn. That's one of the reasons why the XM8 failed.
And this is why metal and wood should be used. Plastic is just a cheap attempt to lessen spending but provide better mobility. Bleh plastic works better on airsoft then real life.

[Cortexian]

My god that thing is sexy, except for that orange eye sore which is not required in Canada...mainly because we suck and our laws are weird. And customs doesn't allow low FPS airsoft guns to be imported, only guns that shoot between 407-500FPS, which means basically nobody has access to them (unless local store).
No... Technically an airsoft gun falling in the 407-500FPS mark is an "Uncontrolled Firearm" meaning no licenses are required to own, posses, use, or import.

Good luck trying to explain the finer points as to why it's not actually a "Replica" or "Prohibited Firearm" to the CBSA agent that seizes it when you try to import it though. I know of three separate cases where it took the people fighting their seizure notice 12+ months to have the airsoft gun released. The CBSA need to verify the velocities if they have any doubt in which cause it gets sent to the RCMP for a Firearms Reference Table entry that categorizes that make and model of airsoft gun and it's velocities as recorded by the RCMP for future reference. If it actually falls within the 407-500 FPS range then it will be deemed an Uncontrolled Firearm and released, as will all future models. If it doesn't fall in the 407-500 FPS range it will be destroyed with no refund from anyone.

If it falls into the "Uncontrolled Firearm" category then there's no need for translucent bits or anything. Here's a few Canadian legal SRC guns that have been approved for importation (don't try it yourself though, best bet is through a legit Canadian retailer still):
M16 Series (http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-src-m16-gen3pro.htm)
AK Series (http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-src-ak-gen3pro.htm)
MP40 (http://www.007airsoft.com/products/htm/aeg-src-mp40-gen3pro.htm)

The whole translucent/smoked/clear receiver fiasco was due to missing some legalese mumbo-jumbo in the importation laws about the 407-500 FPS exception. Basically it says "replicas aren't replicas if they're clear-ish and obviously not real, therefore a-okay to import". The 407-500 FPS stuff actually requires some government involvement, and is therefore more complicated to deal with. That's why the translucent guns had their run for awhile in Canada.

[Warsaw]

Most of the CYMA and D-Boys AKs should be able to go through then, once the bullshit is dealt with. All of those guns shoot way hot at the expense of rate of fire.

You guys have the strangest laws on guns. It's not that they necessarily suck as much as they are so confused and backwards.

[Cortexian]

Yeah, the full law has something to do with the fact that the projectile from an airsoft gun isn't "lethal" unless fired at the 407 - 500 FPS range. Once it enters the "lethal" category it becomes a firearm instead of a replica or toy.

Yeah, sounds retarded and dumb and contradictory to the extreme. Because it is...

[Spartan094]

Damn you Freelancer for showing me a better MP40 then my current one. God dammit ffffffff now I need to get rid of my old mp40 for the SRC MP40. Due to a fact I hate the lack of a actual charging handle for mine that goes forward. Blah one of these days...

[RedBaron]

No orange tips in Hong Kong. There are streets lined with shops. Obviously I won't be able to get full models past customs back into the US, but there's plenty of upgrades and accessories to be had for 50+% cheaper than from any websites that are available in North America. I'll be sure to pick up a full set of multicam fatigues before I leave. For some reason I can't seem to find a mediocre set in the US for a reasonable price and now I can get the full set for less than $25 USD.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/DELTA_011692/IMG042.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/DELTA_011692/IMG043.jpg

[Spartan094]

Yo bring me back a black tip 14mm neg for a M4. Please :3 lmao

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

How much for a deagle? :3

[RedBaron]

Seems like the best brand around is Marui, then the rest are China clones like dboys. I picked up a set of 4 rail covers for around $9. They are identical to these (http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_104&products_id=34020) but are labelled dboys. Says a lot about evike's stock lol

[Spartan094]

Wait how much do metal rails cost for an M4 there? All I got is just a plastic handguard and I seriously don't want to cash $55 for full metal ris rails atm....

[Cortexian]

Wait how much do metal rails cost for an M4 there? All I got is just a plastic handguard and I seriously don't want to cash $55 for full metal ris rails atm....
IF you've got a plastic handguard you need to buy some sort of RIS front end. You can't just replace the plastic handguard bits with rail-capable doodads. Get a free-float RIS system that lets the top rail meet up with the rail on the upper receiver (HK416 style).


No orange tips in Hong Kong. There are streets lined with shops. Obviously I won't be able to get full models past customs back into the US, but there's plenty of upgrades and accessories to be had for 50+% cheaper than from any websites that are available in North America. I'll be sure to pick up a full set of multicam fatigues before I leave. For some reason I can't seem to find a mediocre set in the US for a reasonable price and now I can get the full set for less than $25 USD.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/DELTA_011692/IMG042.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/DELTA_011692/IMG043.jpg
DELTA, while you're in HK could you look into some things for me? When you get back you would need to ship to me in Canada but I'd be willing if you can find what I'm looking for for a decent price. Just let me know what the price would be in USD if you can.

I'm looking for a VFC SCAR STD (Standard) length inner-barrel and outer-barrel, there are three marketed types as you can see in the picture below:
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6190/vfcscarfeatures.jpg

You can also see the bit I marked in green, the "lower front set" as it were. If you could find that whole thing with the STD inner and outer barrels installed you would be my hero. I could then simply swap out the lower front sets for CQB or out door play.

I'm also looking for a legitimate SCAR style QD flash-hider with suppressor combo, like this:
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9548/silencerflashhiderscar.jpg

This is the specific style of flash-hider I'm looking for, if you can't find one with a suppressor included or that fits (or if you don't want to risk bringing back a fake suppressor) then just the flash hider would be fine. Just make sure it's 14mm negative threading:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1760/scarflashhider.jpg

[Warsaw]

Yay airsoft markup!

Also, I've read from people on Red Alliance that breaking the guns into pieces usually lets you get them past customs. You can always apply the 0.75" of orange paint onto the gun yourself after purchase.

[Spartan094]

Freelancer, mind showing me some links of some good free-floating RIS rails for the M4?

Also I'm hoping today I can go to the only dedicated airsoft shop in Michigan, my friends tell me they got a pretty big selection so I'll check it out, I'll include pics if so.

[Cortexian]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_37&products_id=5669

Daniel Defense rails are extremely popular and well made (and expensive), however that link has a couple of good videos and the "WHY R.I.S.?" thing that you can check out. Alternatively you can start Magpulling the shit out of your M4 and make all the gear whores jelly:
http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=4717

And the rails to go with it:
Short (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=6550)
Medium (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=6551)
Long (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=6552)

Get the actual PTS MOE in tan, then get a Magpul PTS (or real Magpul) stock in tan. Tan stock (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_141&products_id=5990) + handguard with everything else black looks pretty good IMO.

[RedBaron]

@Freelancers
Damn these time zones, wish I saw your request earlier. I literally saw a shelf filled with SCAR outer barrels of various lengths, but there was no telling what brand they were. I'll try and figure it out the next chance I get, hell I can just show the clerk the pic you posted. I'm also looking for the same type of flash suppressors, but so far that seems to be the only accessory that I haven't seen.

In other news I saw some CRYE and magpul gear, and they were even more expensive here than online.

[Spartan094]

I still want a black m4 bird cage suppressor 14mm neg for cheap over in HK :smith:

Also Freelancer I will go check out the airsoft store near my place to see if they got that stuff for cheap vs online if I can ever go...

[Cortexian]

DELTA, I'm sure you already know but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwong_Wa_Street

[RedBaron]

That was where I was all day. It was Sunday here, so some of the stores were closed. I'll head back in the near future.

@Spartan: I'll see what I can do.

If I do fulfill any favors for you guys, I would prefer to be payed through paypal. Just a heads up.

[Spartan094]

Thanks delta also um seeing I find nobody with any black tip StG44 (MP44) think you could try to find one in HK? I do know the stg44 is manufactured in asia somewhere but could you try to find a spare black tip? I hate the obnoxious orange tip but I need it for regulations here in America as you know lol but I also want a black tip for props and such.
(bbb-ut we have the 2nd amendment)
Speaking of my StG44 I'm going to give the wood a bit of a older look to it and roughen up the metal to give it that WWII Warsaw told me about, besides I want to do that anyways, like I will ever be selling my StG44 I been wanting to get for 3 years......sometime

[RedBaron]

Alright so the silencers and flash hisses are so separate(from what I've seen so far). For some reason the SCAR type hiders are more expensive than the common M4 birdcage.

M4 flash hider: $10
Scar flash hider: $23 (the phantom and a three-pronged model was the same price)
silencers average at $26

Not much of a price difference for these. Haven't noticed any StG44 or VFC parts, but I'll keep my eyes open.

Freelancer, could you measure the length from the bottom of the pistol grip to the top of the upper receiver on your SCAR and let me know? Thanks.

[Spartan094]

M4 flash hider: $10

Not much of a price difference for these. Haven't noticed any StG44 or VFC parts, but I'll keep my eyes open.

Blah its better then paying $17 to me. 7 goes a long way for me :v

Also I don't think companies sell stg44 flash hiders on the market. Might need to talk to an employee or do something else to get one. I'm not so sure. I still need to go to that airsoft shop in my area, been lazy these days

[Warsaw]

If it's a 14mm CCW, you could just use the AK-47 muzzle nut. There were not legit flash hiders on the StG.44 in the war, anyways.

[Spartan094]

If it's a 14mm CCW, you could just use the AK-47 muzzle nut. There were not legit flash hiders on the StG.44 in the war, anyways.
True but I prefer one on it. Semi alike the MP40 one but oh well. I'll just remove the orange tip and see how it looks after I wash the glue residue off...

[RedBaron]

If the price difference is something as trivial as $7, it'll probably be easier to get it in the USA. I would still have to charge shipping when I get back in the states and tbh I don't feel like going through all this hassle for the sake of a few bucks. Buying a PEQ box for $25 instead of $85 is a different story though.

[Spartan094]

Blah alright. But try to find a stg44 black tip if you can. The ones on the older models and not the newer factory ones.

Also who ever did the glue for the stg44 airsoft is really bad in asia
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4479/1002121go.jpg
Cleaned off the glue residue and little scraps of plastic in the threading. Though some of it is still there. Looks beautiful now

Also just because I can...
Warsaw you might hate me for doing this to a stg44.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8971/1002119d.jpgm4 bird cage hider :<
I find it funny

[Warsaw]

MY EYES!

Also, get a '47 muzzle nut. Just do it. It will look better than the M4 birdcage or other orange thing...

[Spartan094]

MY EYES!

Also, get a '47 muzzle nut. Just do it. It will look better than the M4 birdcage or other orange thing...
I know lol, I put the m4 birdcage on for shits and giggles. When I sometime go to the airsoft shop up here in MI I'll look for the '47 muzzle nut, an orange and black tip so I can have two. One for home use, one for public use.

[Warsaw]

Don't think they come in orange. Stock '47s always come with a plastic birdcage flash hider installed with the black muzzle nut in the box. You'll just have to buy two and paint one orange.

[Cortexian]

Freelancer, could you measure the length from the bottom of the pistol grip to the top of the upper receiver on your SCAR and let me know? Thanks.
Not sure what you wanted exactly so:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9981/scardimensions.jpg

Measurements are from the bottom to the indicated mark.

[RedBaron]

Thanks Freelancer, just what I needed. Bought a gun bag spur of the moment and I was afraid that it was only wide enough for sniper rifles. Seems to be fine though.

I walked around some old school street side merchants today, and picked up a high powered laser for around $25 USD. They probably aren't allowed on fields, but I'll throw it on a mount for my SCAR for shits and giggles. It has a green diode and the entire beam is visible in dim/dark conditions.

Spartan sorry again for not helping you out, but I suggest you look up the prices for your StG44 muzzle cap too. I would say the threshold for having me pick one up is if it costs more than $25 including shipping. That goes for you too Freelancer.

O and do fields generally prohibit guns without orange tips? I've been playing in my friend's two acres of woods, but I plan on getting a membership at my local field upon my return.

[Cortexian]

http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_99&products_id=1818
It's $89.99 for the flash hider/suppressor set I want here in Canada. That's not even the type I want, I want the style with the long suppressor.

Also, these are some reference pics of the type of airsoft rig I'm going to be switching my current stuff out for. CRYE pants and shirt, but pretty much all my other gear will be changed except the Oakley gloves:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4471/fastteam01.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3123/fastteam02.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9726/fastteam03.jpg

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/6847/fastteam04.jpg

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7162/fastteam05.jpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3354/fastteam06.jpg

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/1777/fastteam07.jpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9288/fastteam08.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1502/fastteam09.jpg

I could use some help identifying the style of vest they're using.

[Warsaw]

Looks like the standard MOLLE vest to me.

[Spartan094]

Well I can't find any '47 flash hiders. All I could find is the common m4 bird cage and some I think a SCAR flash hider and something else. And a lot of PMAG's which I liked.

E: Got to use a ACR airsoft, love it I want it now.

Also
http://imageshack.us/m/837/7889/1002123f.jpg
StG44 and AK47 with no orange tip, yay now to buy 4 flash hiders..and an AK gearbox.

[Cortexian]

Looks like the standard MOLLE vest to me.
"Standard"? For who lol.

I've been told it's a CIRAS (https://www.sealsactiongear.com/catalog/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=532), but it looks less bulky.

[Warsaw]

Standard for the United States. So yeah, it's a CIRAS. Brother had one. It's actually not that bulky.

[RedBaron]

So Freelancer do I have the go ahead to get that phantom flash hider? It'll be around $25 excluding the shipping from US to Canada. I'll have to look for the compatible silencer separately and get back to you with the price.

[Higuy]

Got my AUG

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/246738_218889784795834_100000244427763_871922_4968 005_n.jpg

Its really, really, nice besides from the fact that the grip was broken when it arrived. Gotta send it back and get a new one, unfortunately.

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I had one.
I sold it
then it broke on the guy :v

[Warsaw]

Broken AUG grips is fairly common, actually.

[Higuy]

Broken AUG grips is fairly common, actually.

Yeah I'd believe it, how it attaches to the front of the gun is pretty cheap.

[Cortexian]

Did you decide on the CA or whatever other model it was you were looking at? JG?

Most people I know replace the front grip with a rail system thing... Lets see if I can find it.

Edit: It's the AUG A3 front-kit.

[Warsaw]

Most people serious about using an AUG end up converting theirs to the AUG A3.

[Higuy]

Yeah I got the classic army version of the gun.

Also the front end is neat, but I also like how it is at the moment.

[Spartan094]

I figured out why my m4 gearbox isn't working properly!
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7181/1002131a.jpg
See that little RED thing at the top of the picture? That's what is supposed to hold it down to make contact with the other copper. But it broke and the gearbox will not work unless I get a new one of them.
It's blurry, sorry but it relates to the top picture
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9177/1002129u.jpg

And do not tell me to use super glue. I already know this wont work. Any way I could get a new one? Or does anybody have any spares around? Something? Or I should get a new gearbox, I dunno.

[Warsaw]

Well, you could upgrade the gun to use a MOSFET firing mechanism instead of a mechanical one. That will solve the problem AND give you new options...such as making it burst fire if you want. MOSFET doesn't get carbonized.

[Cortexian]

Some amazing photos from a 96 hour Milsim in Sweden:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=125665

[Higuy]

So a while back when I recieved my broken gun, I shipped it back to get a new one. Its been almost 2 weeks since they told me they were going to "start inspecting my RMA". Is this normal of them...? I sent them an email, but its kind of worrying with the lack of updates.

[Cortexian]

Who? Evike? They have a history of shitty customer service.

[Warsaw]

Evike has craptastic service, which is why I usually use AirsoftGI if I can. AEX is pretty snappy, too.

[Spartan094]

Yeah I switched over to airsotgi to. I ment to warn you but it was to late. Next thing I want is the ACR but I'm not shelling out that kind of money for a while. Still need a gearbox...

[RedBaron]

Yeah evike customer service really does suck. Like that one time I ordered a set of BDU's that were clearly marked as instock, but I was then disappointed to find out they were actually on back order, after my order was already processed and my paypal account charged. Still, you can't beat their prices when ordering from within the US. I suggest only getting accessories and gear from them, and order guns elsewhere.

On another note, I'll be heading back to the states in about a week. I'll post some pics of my semi-pimped out SCAR. I also plan on doing an inner barrel upgrade, and I kind of need some advice. Obviously a 6.01 mm tightbore would be most accurate, but are jammings and stoppages frequent problems with these barrels, or would I be better off with a 6.03 mm? Also, would I need to upgrade anything else to prevent a drop in muzzle velocity? Apparently I read somewhere that if you install a longer inner barrel, then you would need to change your cylinder to maintain your fps. What else would be ideal to replace when upgrading the inner barrel? Bucking? Nub (not exactly sure what this is for)?

[Cortexian]

The 6.01's would be a significant improvement over the 6.03, you won't have problems if you do two easy things... 1) Use quality "double polished" BB's, and 2) clean your gun/barrel after every game.

Not sure what you're talking about for longer inner-barrel requiring a new cylinder to maintain FPS. I tight-bore barrel will increase your FPS by 5 - 10 FPS most likely since there's less "air bleed" around the edge of the BB as it's being pushed out of the barrel. The only reason I can think of that you'd need a new cylinder is if the one you're using is of extremely low quality and can't deal with the extra pressure a tight-bore generates...

The concave hop-up nubs are really nice, improve accuracy and last longer. You shouldn't NEED a new bucking if you're careful removing the old one. Certain buckings will provide a better seal though, increasing your FPS and performance even further.

[Warsaw]

You only need a bore-up kit for your cylinder if your barrel is exceptionally long (~590-650 mm), since there isn't enough air in a normal cylinder to keep accelerating the BB for the entire length.

[Spartan094]

Tom Ammiano - Chair Dem-13 NO
Steve Knight - Vice Chair Rep-36 NO
Nancy Skinner Dem-14 NO
Curt Hagman Rep-60 NO
Jerry Hill Dem-19 NO
Gilbert Cedillo Dem-45 YES
Holly J. Mitchell Dem-47 YES

Cali still has its black and tan guns.

[Cortexian]

Thank god. That law would of only got more cops killed. Criminals would of just started spray-painting their guns.

[Spartan094]

Yeah but de leon says its is up for reconsideration by the committee as early as July 5th to see if they change their mind.

>_> silly politics

[RedBaron]

That's a relief, I would've been very disappointed to find out that I just bought a shitload of gear for a dying hobby...

Also, the petition done by the airsoft retailers through their youtube channels is to be commended. However, the outcry from the majority airsoft players is almost laughable. Most of the internet posts made by players are marred with typos and unnecessary displays of anger and threats. Sadly, this just proves that a large portion of the American player base is under-aged and/or has an inclination to provoke violence, the very violence that the bill is trying to prevent. Saying things like "PASS THE BILL AND ALL THE COPS WILL BE SHOT" is a little extreme. However, phrasing it with a bit more discretion; "Passing the bill may cause an increase in police related injuries. This is due to...", would pass on a better message to lawmakers.

[Spartan094]

The bill would only cause more ruckus. The bill would only stop the law-biding citizens. Seriously I would have a laugh at criminals with pink guns, only to laugh more at the politicians when I see there face when they realize the shitty mistake they made which the committee made the right choice of saying No.

Also I find it funny if people were allowed to own a real firearm in cali such as a pistol (yes?) yet not allowed to own a realistic replica of the same gun (and would needed to be neon colored or clear) if that bill was to pass. Hmmmmmm

[DarkHalo003]

Has anyone ever made a Halo Airsoft Gun? Just always wondered.

[Donut]

iv seen a custom mod of a famas to make a battle rifle, but i dont think anybody produces them

[Cortexian]

I thought I heard of the guys at 501st doing up one of their AR's with airsoft internals...

Anyhow, you guys in the USA should implement some type of community enforced 18+ rules like we have here in Canada. All the retailers here won't sell to you unless you're "Age Verified" on airsoftcanada.com and your local forums as well.

[RedBaron]

Wow, that system actually sounds really efficient, although it would only allow players to be registered if they are living in an area with a large enough player base to have forums for.

[Spartan094]

guys guys, should I buy this
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_68_518&products_id=33549
or
http://www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_68_518&products_id=33763

I am leaning towards the mosfet...and its cheaper. I'm done fucking with my m4 after this thou, its caused me to much of a headache and grief compared to any airsoft gun I ever had.

[Cortexian]

Get the QR one, it's handy as fuck and makes gearbox disassembly MUCH easier since you can take the spring out and release all tension before and after assembling the gearbox. You can add a much better MOSFET unit to it after the fact that will allow you to setup burst modes and such.


Wow, that system actually sounds really efficient, although it would only allow players to be registered if they are living in an area with a large enough player base to have forums for.
Well, the way it works is pretty simple for verification. People that are respected in the community recommend other respected members to become verifiers for local areas. Since you guys have lots of retail stores I'm sure they all "talk" to some degree and know each other and their customers pretty well. Once you get some nationally distributed verifiers you just tell all potential new players that want to buy guns to meet up and talk to a verifier. Verifier checks some government issue ID and then reports back to whoever is keeping the age verified list in place.

The problem is getting all retailers to enforce this policy, especially web retailers that will ship anywhere. If even one retailer starts selling to underage's then they'll get all the business from disrespectful immature kids...

Maybe the airsoft community in the USA should looks at this verification system and take it to the senators that were pushing for this bill. Instead of making colored guns, make it a law that all airsoft retailers only sell to people 18+ years of age. Since airsoft guns aren't covered under your second amendment to bear arms (since they aren't firearms) this shouldn't be a problem.

[Higuy]

lmao.

Finally got my gun back from evike. Broken AGAIN, different part. I barley used it when I got it (yesterday), and today I found out that the entire receiver is cracked in half. I'm going to call them and tell them to just send me the part that I need (it takes literally 1 minute to do, and if I send it to them it will be over 2 -3 weeks..) or I want my money back.

[Spartan094]

[15:16] Higuy™: i think they might send me the part hopefully
[15:18] Higuy™: yeah they
[15:18] Higuy™: are
[15:18] Higuy™: but i need to sned them a picture of where its broken
[15:22] Higuy™: thye told me it probably broke becuase UPS dropped it from a high place
[15:22] Higuy™: i was like
[15:22] Higuy™: wat
[15:24] Higuy™: well i guess thats better than nothing
[15:25] Higuy™: mb i should tell them to expdite it
[15:31] Spartan094: nice
[15:48] Higuy™: i sent them the pic, and told them that if they could ship it any faster do it and if i have to pay extra i will

[Cortexian]

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1869/gear01.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7595/gear02.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/738/gear03.jpg

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8116/gear04.jpg

That's what I'm currently running. I want to replace the helmet with something more like a FAST Carbon/Ballistic Helmet (http://www.ops-core.com/FAST_Ballistic_Helmet_P7C6.cfm), and I want to replace my vest and blast belt with something lighter and less cumbersome. I also need to get some real Crye Combat Pants AC in Multicam as well as a Combat Shirt AC in Multicam with Sand/Khaki Combat Shirt pads. I have some replica Crye Combat Pants with replica pads but they're so uncomfortable in comparison to the real thing that I'd rather mis-match the colors and wear the Sand pants with my Multicam stuff.

[RedBaron]

http://airsoft-guns-blog.pyramydair.com/2011/06/sb-798-amended-senator-de-leon-shows.html

Looks like de Leon is now trying to give airsoft guns a similar status to those in Canada.

[Cortexian]

Yeah and look how well that worked out. For a year or so we were forced to bring in semi-clear guns, but now we're bringing in fully colored ones again perfectly legally.

IMO airsoft guns SHOULD be classified as real firearms, but only so you need an actual license to purchase them. They could fall into their own category of firearms, thus making it legal to point and shoot at other people with.

[RedBaron]

Alright here's some pics of my Mk23 that I painted months ago and never got around to take pictures of. I'll have pics of my full loadout when I get around to that too.


2154
2155
2156
2157

[Spartan094]

Hey cool that means no orange tips then. I guess. Only in California oh well.

[Higuy]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2661/1000022v.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6011/1000023fj.jpg

Pretty nice gun. Echo 1 E90... The AUG was out of stock, and I decided that if I buy another airsoft gun, it might be the AUG again but I wont be buying from Evike.

The gun itself shoots pretty hot for a close quarters gun, (around 360 ~ 380 FPS), going to have to downgrade it a bit so I can use it at my local arena.

And yeah, I got the scope as well, which also pretty solid.

[RedBaron]

Smexy. Shame there's the matrix tramp stamp on that scope though.

[Spartan094]

Clorox will help. But spray painting is better.

[Cortexian]

Our local airsoft group Expedition Force preparing to make the trip down to IRENE this year:

13 people - 15 PTW's - Two SAWs - Two giant Cases - A small fortune.
http://jocairsoft.com/images/irene/tonsoguns.jpg

[Spartan094]

Funny how I was just thinking about airsoft and how I want to sell the 4 I got and you freelancer revive this thread.

Urgh I have no use for my MP40 and StG44 and my "need to get new gearbox" AK47 and M4. Anybody interested since selling locally in my area has failed to produce anything. Less I might resort to ebay if nobody wants it here.

[Cortexian]

Wow, I was talking to one of the Expedition Force guys and he said they insured those two cases of PTW's for just shy of $40,000.

Canadian airsofters, where your backup weapon for your PTW is another PTW.

[Warsaw]

Canadian airsofters, where your backup weapon for your PTW is another PTW.

That sounds rather uninspired on their (your?) part...

[Donut]

so after bad company 2ing for a little while, im finding myself rather perversely attracted to the xm8. i kind of want an airsoft AEG one now. does anybody know of a good quality xm8 out there?


slightly related, also interested in defib paddles...

[Cortexian]

Best way to do an XM8 is buy a high quality G36 and then a conversion kit. They're basically the same rifle on the inside IRL as well as airsoft.