Angry guy crashes plane into Texas IRS building

[Ifafudafi]

Article (http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Plane-crashes-into-Northwest-Austin-building-84704727.html), and more info (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash.profile/index.html?hpt=T1)


A small single-engine plane crashed into a building in Northwest Austin Thursday morning, sparking a massive fire and forcing evacuations... The crash happened near MoPac and Highway 183 just before 10 a.m...

Essentially, redneck faggot (I live in Texas myself so I can say that) decides he doesn't like the IRS getting on his ass for not paying his debts, so he sets his house on fire and crashes his plane into the nearest IRS office. Only two people were injured (other than him, obviously), and only the building itself was severely damaged. He left a huge suicide note too; there's a PDF floating around somewhere.

My parents lived about 20 minutes away from this, and told me that the guy had just missed a major highway.

[Cojafoji]

i think calling him a redneck faggot is an insult to the redneck faggot community. the guy was obviously fucking psycho. dumbass probably thought he'd become a martyr for some teabaggers or some other god awful movement...

[sdavis117]

Reading his suicide note, I don't even know what the fuck his political views were. In one part, he rails against bailouts. In another, he praises communism. In another part, he praises anarchism.

This guy did not have his head on right.

[Cojafoji]

Yeah, the dude is going on about how a senator basically made him a slave with some random ass tax clause...

so fucking confused here. this guy was batshit.

[CN3089]

it's obama's fault obviously


will edit post later with fox news anchor saying basically this

Also in case you don't understand quite what he is saying in his note he created a tax shelter with a fake church (basically using the SOCIAL EXPERIMENT trolling justification) and is mad the IRS busted him and yet still left him enough money to buy a plane with


The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two "interpretations" for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us... Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

lol

[Inferno]

It looks like this software engineer...


...Just crashed.

[Heathen]

yeh, a 6 page suicide note.

[Abdurahman]

If it was a Muslim, everyone would be saying it's terrorism.

[CN3089]

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[mech]

If it was a Muslim, everyone would be saying it's terrorism.


Well it's not a muslim. So, for now he's known as a redneck faggot.

[Heathen]

funny because when I first heard about this my first question was "was it 'terrorists'"?

http://www.scottschnaars.com/images/dr_evil.jpg

[paladin]

funny because when I first heard about this my first question was "was it 'terrorists'"?

http://www.scottschnaars.com/images/dr_evil.jpg

It is basically... He intended on hurting or killing at least 200 people.

After listening to peoples' IRA stories on the radio this afternoon, Im not surprised this hasnt happened yet. The IRS pretty defines the term scum.

Sad though....

[Dwood]

By definition, this man was a terrorist. Not that I blame him (his mental state, anyways). He lived in TEXAS for Pete's sake.

[sleepy1212]

How does "redneck faggot" fit for a guy from LA? i mean, i get the faggot part...


I like how CNN called this guy a terrorist but won't call the 9/11 guys terrorists,
and FOX calls the 9/11 guys terrorists but won't call this guy a terrorist.
It's like a mental merry-go-round.
I hate the news.

[paladin]

Hes a terrorist.

[Aerowyn]

What is scary to me is that some of the "Tea Party Patriots" or whoever the fuck are probably hailing this guy as an American hero.

[Dwood]

What is scary to me is that some of the "Tea Party Patriots" or whoever the fuck are probably hailing this guy as an American hero.

He isn't? I mean honestly, there's so many IRS horror stories I'm surprised no one's done it yet. Who cares if they're the Tea Party Patriots or not? I'm surprised the whole IRS isn't dismantled block by block by angry taxpayers. May your Deity of choice have mercy upon your soul should someone in the IRS "accidentally" mistake someone else's SS# for yours. It's probably the biggest complaint in America, that no one talks about on a daily basis.

[sleepy1212]

What is scary to me is that some of the "Tea Party Patriots" or whoever the fuck are probably hailing this guy as an American hero.

not likely, in the least bit. Libertarians maybe....but let's get one thing straight.... Don't let the fact that this happened in Texas fool you. He was a software engineer from Los Angeles and probably not a republican


The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.


I know the mass media retards are all scrambling to spin this guy into a Timothy Mcveigh with a plane story. Don't buy it.
He's not even a terrorist.
He failed at life and ragequit on the IRS.

[Dwood]

I don't blame him tbqh.

[n00b1n8R]

You're right, attempted murder of a few hundred people is completely justified by getting caught out on dodging tax!

[Aerowyn]

He's not even a terrorist.
He failed at life and ragequit on the IRS.

I wonder where he got the idea to crash a plane into the building?

Oh wait.
1402
From terrorists.

[Geo]

Justification is based on both parties reactions to the circumstances. Clearly, attempting to take 200 lives out of pure rage, is completely unjustified. If anyone even needs to think about whether he was justified, then I'm ashamed to call them American citizens.

[sleepy1212]

I wonder where he got the idea to crash a plane into the building?

Oh wait.
1402
From terrorists.

Terrorists are terrorists by intent, not method.

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–noun1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3.a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism






I could see where a person could make that leap but it's not accurate to the definition in that the motivation is clearly different.
I think his intent was simple retribution, similar to "going postal" but with an airplane. The post office murderers weren't terrorists, but rather, disgruntled psychopaths.
There's no reason to exclaim "Terrorist!" every time some nut does something incredibly violent. It's thinking like that that brought us such gems of liberty like the Patriot Act.

[Aerowyn]

Terrorists are terrorists by intent, not method....

I could see where a person could make that leap but it's not accurate to the definition in that the motivation is clearly different.
I think his intent was simple retribution, similar to "going postal" but with an airplane.

I think you should read some of the guy's little manifesto (http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2) before you go defending what he did.


Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.It's terrorism, dude. By your own definition. His intent was to try and change the political landscape. He used violence and threats to try and "coerce" some sort of POLITICAL REVOLT.

Which happens to tie in with the other definition:
3.a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

The guy flew a plane into a federal building hoping to incite Americans to resist the government, not to mention that he killed some government workers in the process.

He was a terrorist, based on the definitions YOU YOURSELF GAVE.

Now that's using your noodle.

[sleepy1212]

I read it. Before i posted.

I think his rant is a symptom of his craziness. like antisocial behavior he finds a way to justify or validate what is really just a lashing out of the stupidest kind.

He's clearly making up excuses why his life is a failure and then using those excuses to vindicate his suicidal/homicidal actions after the fact.

He could have just as easily been pissed about gas prices and flew his plane into an refinery.


What really bugs me isn't really the semantics of all of this but the very real possibility that if this guy gets labeled as a terrorist it opens the door for more mislabeling; the intentional kind that restricts our freedom rather than that of real terrorists.

[Aerowyn]

I read it. Before i posted.

I think his rant is a symptom of his craziness. like antisocial behavior he finds a way to justify or validate what is really just a lashing out of the stupidest kind.

He's clearly making up excuses why his life is a failure and then using those excuses to vindicate his suicidal/homicidal actions after the fact.



You realize that saying he's delusional doesn't change his motives. You said he's making excuses. Okay, sure. His life sucked and he blamed it on the IRS. That doesn't change the fact that he did it because he HONESTLY believed the IRS ruined his life, and he thought that by blowing up the building, he would incite Americans into some sort of huge rebellion.

No matter how you slice it, this guy did what he did to "coerce a civilian population to advance a political or ideological agenda". That's terrorism.

No one is arguing with you that the guy was crazy. I think by now we all know he was crazy. It doesn't change the fact that he was a domestic terrorist.


Also, TOLD YOU SO. (http://www.americablog.com/2010/02/anti-govt-anti-obama-nuts-launch.html)



He could have just as easily been pissed about gas prices and flew his plane into an refinery.


Or, you know, he could've been pissed about the US's involvement in Israel and Saudi Arabia and flew his plane into a skyscraper.

Oh, wait.
http://xrlq.com/Images/9-11%20%281%29.bmp

[sidwood]

If a young Palestinian man straps a bomb to himself and blows up a restaurant in Israel, is he not a terrorist if he only did it because he was crazy?

Before you answer, consider: isn't anyone who would deliberately kill innocents and themselves crazy?

[sleepy1212]

Also, TOLD YOU SO. (http://www.americablog.com/2010/02/anti-govt-anti-obama-nuts-launch.html)

aww, fuck me....see, this is why i registered independent.

all these assholes claim they're conservatives and then they go off and say some stupid shit like that and give the rest of us a bad name. I understand the sentiment but there is no room for agreement with Stack. I hate the IRS too, but this isn't a revolution ye...oh wait. shit. duh. No one in government wants a revolution. "He who controls the language controls the debate". If Stack were (he isn't) the first shot of "the" revolution, everyone who follows is a "terrorist". how clever.

anyway, i think stack's statement is BS. it's self righteous BS. When i read that letter that's what i thought. he's pathetic and now he's trying to make lofty political excuses for his miserable life.

[sidwood]

sleepy, are you still denying that Stack was a terrorist? I think it was shown pretty clearly that by your own definition he was a terrorist, something you can't wish away by saying he was "crazy". What terrorist isn't crazy?

[Ed. also, you may want to read up on the No True Scotsman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman) fallacy.]

[sleepy1212]

sleepy, are you still denying that Stack was a terrorist? I think it was shown pretty clearly that by your own definition he was a terrorist, something you can't wish away by saying he was "crazy". What terrorist isn't crazy?

I used that definition to show why it was understandable to label Stack a terrorist. I also think defining terrorists as "crazy" is relative. If you were a Palestinian you might not think so.

What i'm trying to do here is draw a line between terrorists we recognize as violent agents of political action that we (US government) will respond to actively and people who commit violent acts generally, whether it be against the private or the public. In other words, not everyone who blows up a building is a terrorist. Further, i think that Stack's letter is a rationalization, not an agenda. He's used the IRS as a scapegoat for his miserable life culminating in his, and other's, death and destruction of the IRS building. That doesn't make him a terrorist. It makes him a dick.


[Ed. also, you may want to read up on the No True Scotsman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman) fallacy.]

What is this directed at? My comments about Scott Brown or terrorists?

[Limited]

* random brainwashed crappy comments*
Wow, unbelievable. You dont think hes a terrorist because its not religious? You've been spoon fed by the government to think, that is the definition of a terrorist. It isnt, the definition has been amended so many times, and especially since 11/9 used in the wrong context.

A definition for terrorism, "is the conducting of violent acts which are intended to create fear.", your telling me, the people in the building, when they hear the plane crash/catch fire and explode, were calm people? Of course they were freaking out, panicking, fearful. Any sane person would be. He planned and executed his idea of crashing the plane purposely into the building to kill people.

Due to the fact your just a pawn that listens and obeys the news, and believes the terms and definitions they try to throw at us. I believe you should read this article, about the history of the word terrorism.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-10-28/opinion/17622543_1_terrorism-robespierre-la-terreur

[sidwood]

You're being incoherent, sleepy. You keep saying that Stack's letter is a "rationalization", and the IRS was merely a "scapegoat" for ambiguous personal failings. That may well be, but the fact remains, regardless of whether you agree with it, that Stack's explicitly stated motivation for this attack was to advance a political agenda through an act of violence against innocents. As others have said, I suspect that you would not hesitate to call him a terrorist if he were a Muslim.

My remark about the No True Scotsman fallacy was directed at your "all these assholes claim they're conservatives and then they go off and say some stupid shit like that and give the rest of us a bad name" comment. Like it or not, this is the face of modern "movement conservatism". If you don't like that, do something about it, don't just pretend it doesn't exist.

[kid908]

This was in my city, Austin and I believe my friend's mom worked at the IRS building. The guy was trying to commit suicide with a plane. :gonk: He wasn't a terrorist with a radical idea to prove. Nothing really big, it was news for that day and no one talks about it anymore. We just had our, apparently existing, arcade downtown blown up by a guy that got kicked out.

[=sw=warlord]

The guy was trying to commit suicide with a plane. :gonk: He wasn't a terrorist with a radical idea to prove. Nothing really big, it was news for that day and no one talks about it anymore. We just had our, apparently existing, arcade downtown blown up by a guy that got kicked out.
Kamikazi is a form of suicide and what he wanted was to be kamikazi and take as many people as he could.

[Roostervier]

A definition for terrorism, "is the conducting of violent acts which are intended to create fear.", your telling me, the people in the building, when they hear the plane crash/catch fire and explode, were calm people? Of course they were freaking out, panicking, fearful. Any sane person would be. He planned and executed his idea of crashing the plane purposely into the building to kill people. Limited, if you're going to defend your argument, don't do it with reasoning as stupid as that. bank robbers cause people fear when theyre getting robbed, but their motive is to get the money, not terrorize people. same result, different motive. by saying the byproduct of what he did was fear and so it was terrorism is ignorant as fuck, because a byproduct of almost any crime is fear.

[sleepy1212]

Wow, unbelievable. You dont think hes a terrorist because its not religious?

I never made that distinction. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.



You've been spoon fed by the government to think, that is the definition of a terrorist. It isnt, the definition has been amended so many times, and especially since 11/9 used in the wrong context....

...Due to the fact your just a pawn that listens and obeys the news, and believes the terms and definitions they try to throw at us...

I have always comminicated skepticism, lack of trust, and general distaste for the media and the government and everything they do and say, with exception of the Constitution. In fact, my very first post in this thread illustrates that pretty clearly, as do the other posts i have made in political discussions on these forums.


A definition for terrorism, "is the conducting of violent acts which are intended to create fear.", your telling me, the people in the building, when they hear the plane crash/catch fire and explode, were calm people? Of course they were freaking out, panicking, fearful. Any sane person would be.

so because they were afraid that makes him a terrorist? What if there were people in the WTC who had no idea the jets were on there way (what if?)? Does that mean that it was only terrorism to those that knew enough about it to be scared?



You're being incoherent, sleepy. You keep saying that Stack's letter is a "rationalization", and the IRS was merely a "scapegoat" for ambiguous personal failings. That may well be, but the fact remains, regardless of whether you agree with it, that Stack's explicitly stated motivation for this attack was to advance a political agenda through an act of violence against innocents. As others have said, I suspect that you would not hesitate to call him a terrorist if he were a Muslim.

What about Ft. Hood - Nidal Hasan? He could have been a terrorist. I think he was just an asshole. Just like Stack.

I can agree that there is a general, more casual definition of terrorist that would include all these. If i use this definition: "[terrorism] is the conducting of violent acts which are intended to create fear." then it includes soldiers belonging to every military. It includes police officers involved in standoffs who hope the criminal gets scared and surrenders. It's a pretty broad generalization. what we're witnessing in the media and in politics is picking and choosing of who is a terrorist and who isn't and i'm willing to bet it's based on the desires of those making the definition.

What i'm concerned about is that kind of definition used in policy making; a political definition that gets used (and does all the time thanks to Bush) against the American People and against other countries. If Stack can be labeled a terrorist then it's plausible that the IRS can use that to justify action against those that disagree with them.


My remark about the No True Scotsman fallacy was directed at your "all these assholes claim they're conservatives and then they go off and say some stupid shit like that and give the rest of us a bad name" comment. Like it or not, this is the face of modern "movement conservatism". If you don't like that, do something about it, don't just pretend it doesn't exist.

You've got me there, a little. Scott Brown is a conservative. I don't agree that violence and empathizing with violence is "the face of the movement". He doesn't speak for everyone. I think it was a mistake on his part to say that, it was out of place, and a terrible lapse in judgment considering his newly won position. I think many conservatives will agree. I don't think Brown's statement speaks to his conservatism but more to his own character and inexperience.

[Dwood]

Under all these definitions, any group of revolutionaries, including the american ones could be considered terrorists. Therefore I suggest not using any term that can be generalized so heavily at all.

[SnaFuBAR]

I'm wondering if you're reluctant to call him a terrorist because he's a white american. It's so easy to label "those middle easterners" as such, regardless of their intents, actions and justifications being basically the same :allears:

Showing your true colors :downspatriot:

[Roostervier]

seems kind of ignorant to jump to racism at this point, doesnt it?

[paladin]

He's a domestic terrorist. Though his death toll was merely non-existant. Would not call Timothy McVeigh a domestic terrorist?

[sleepy1212]

I'm wondering if you're reluctant to call him a terrorist because he's a white american. It's so easy to label "those middle easterners" as such, regardless of their intents, actions and justifications being basically the same :allears:

Showing your true colors :downspatriot:

you forgot "pesky" :allears:

and yes. I'm a racist. i love to hate hate hate bigot bigot bigot. every morning i get up and talk to jesus and then i go hate some dark skinned people :gonk:

are you serious? it's ok, i get it. you'd just love for the terrorists to be americans. it's like the holy grail of anti-war anti-bush sentiment. it's redistribution of honor. 'economic justice' for morality. "we're ALL really bad people so let's shake hands and let the UN be in charge because they know what's best for us"

as for "middle-easterners" being the terrorists. I disagree with that too. I think they're soldiers.

[paladin]

The UN is useless. They're the mall cops of the world. HTH V:iamafag:V

[Rook]

You're right, attempted murder of a few hundred people is completely justified by getting caught out on dodging tax!

IRS fucks people over and on some occasions 'fix' it where they take much more then they are owed. If the plane crash got some of the big wigs it wouldn't even be a problem, thing is it probably just killed some innocent day job workers.

[paladin]

I talked with my dad about this and he told me a story of his owe. So apparently the IRS cant add thought he owed a little under $2000. Thing is, they ended up owing him the sum. 6 months to prove hes right and a lean on his account they finally resolve it and say hell be mailed a refund check. That was 12 years ago. He hasnt received a check yet. Last year, he got the same letter saying he owe them the $2000 and they put a lean on his house so he couldnt close. Hes still fighting it. Fortunately, with interest and inflation, hes looking at a nice $5000+ check.

[CN3089]

Haha you know what being fat reminds me of? Spending because all of government is spending a lot of pork, but you can't put lipstick on a pig, sarah palin palm reading, The kind of teleprompter obama could use corpse man, killing our boys, afghanistan mission accomplished, mission failed, obama's war, you mean the new hitler? Universal healthcare will kill grand ma, Death Panels, Connect the dots, This will hurt tax payers who want to go to the moon, moon budget cut on nasa, mars is where we need to be it has oil but there is no war for oil cannot afford moon rocket unless we get money from the chinese, tiennman square stop plinting money, racism? Post racial america, thumbs up lincolin, which box would you say is escape proof? Ape escapes zoo guess someone else will have to write the next stimulus bill, STIMULUS?! Looks like toyota has their foot stuck on the gas pedal, american cars take the lead, american exceptionalism, number one in abortions, gay abortions that is.

[paladin]

I think you missed the tags line

[CN3089]

Haha you know what being fat reminds me of? Spending because all of government is spending a lot of pork, but you can't put lipstick on a pig, sarah palin palm reading, The kind of teleprompter obama could use corpse man, killing our boys, afghanistan mission accomplished, mission failed, obama's war, you mean the new hitler? Universal healthcare will kill grand ma, Death Panels, Connect the dots, This will hurt tax payers who want to go to the moon, moon budget cut on nasa, mars is where we need to be it has oil but there is no war for oil cannot afford moon rocket unless we get money from the chinese, tiennman square stop plinting money, racism? Post racial america, thumbs up lincolin, which box would you say is escape proof? Ape escapes zoo guess someone else will have to write the next stimulus bill, STIMULUS?! Looks like toyota has their foot stuck on the gas pedal, american cars take the lead, american exceptionalism, number one in abortions, gay abortions that is.

american_politics.txt

[paladin]

Well, it looks like the tags now V:iamafag:V

[Kornman00]

Looks like the only taxing he ever did...

...was down a run way


In any case, I don't really blame him for wanting action on a gov't system like the IRS. Method is a little old and tired, but hey, if you're going to kill yourself in the process you might as well spend the rest of your cash so The Man doesn't get it v:iamafag:v. The country's founding fathers used violence against the brits to defend the land and their beliefs. In his mind, he was just doing the same.

What people don't realize is that the gov't has been making small changes over the course of many, many decades so we all come numb and grow up with the effects and not fight it until (if someone even does) it's too late. In Bush's case however, the NWO decided Big Brother needed a power stimulus and thus 9/11 was born further spawning the Patriot Act :downs:

[paladin]

All I heard was crazy talk you silly Texan.

/sarcasm /ignorance

[TVTyrant]

http://www.absolutenow.com/mugshots/images/McVeighTimothy.jpg
No matter what, if a plan to kill people is used to push an ideological movement, it is terrorism.

I'll just leave Timothy McVeigh here.

[sleepy1212]

cool, i'll leave him here as well then...

http://www.earstohear.net/images/GeorgeWashington.jpg

[paladin]

Though General Washington's kills were a side effect. If Great Britain allowed the departure of the United States, there would have been no war. So really, Great Britain killed Great Britain's soldiers, not General Washington.

[Roostervier]

if america were islamic, then there wouldnt have been a 9/11. so really, america rammed the wtc with two planes itself, not al qaeda.




i dont give a shit if this guy was a terrorist or not. you guys all just have shitty ass reasoning for your arguments

[Dwood]

wut.

[English Mobster]

This thread:

hate hate hate bigot bigot bigot

[paladin]

No, Al Qaeda doesnt hate america because were mostly Christians, they hate what we stand for

[sleepy1212]

This thread:

hate hate hate bigot bigot bigot

you should see my rep LMAO

[Good_Apollo]

if america were islamic, then there wouldnt have been a 9/11. so really, america rammed the wtc with two planes itself, not al qaeda.




i dont give a shit if this guy was a terrorist or not. you guys all just have shitty ass reasoning for your argumentsThey hate Westerns in general. They believe we're poisoning the world with our culture and disrupting holy Muslim society. Simple as that, it's not our freedom or whatever bullshit you hear on the news. That's all, they're sick of Western influences on their cultures. Frankly I don't exactly blame them, hope we eventually completely pull out of that shithole and let them live however the fuck they want.

[Roostervier]

quit picking apart the sentences. my point was its stupid to say its someones own fault for something someone else does.

[Donut]

the guy was pissed off at somebody else, so he delibritly crashed a plane into a building to kill people... that makes him a terrorist... right? i dont see how else you can interpret this
E: that wasnt directed at flyinrooster or anyone else, im just making a general statement here

[Ifafudafi]

Oh god what is wrong with you people

The point isn't that the guy's a terrorist; as we've just proven, the bounds of that term are impossible to define. The point is that he's an idiot. Yell at him, not yourselves

Honestly

[Bodzilla]

Looks like the only taxing he ever did...

...was down a run way


In any case, I don't really blame him for wanting action on a gov't system like the IRS. Method is a little old and tired, but hey, if you're going to kill yourself in the process you might as well spend the rest of your cash so The Man doesn't get it v:iamafag:v. The country's founding fathers used violence against the brits to defend the land and their beliefs. In his mind, he was just doing the same.

What people don't realize is that the gov't has been making small changes over the course of many, many decades so we all come numb and grow up with the effects and not fight it until (if someone even does) it's too late. In Bush's case however, the NWO decided Big Brother needed a power stimulus and thus 9/11 was born further spawning the Patriot Act :downs:
you sometimes i wonder about you.

all night long...

[Kornman00]

Guess what I have in my pants...




an airplane


gonna crash it into your mum :realsmug:. Keep your hands to yourself ross :nsmug:

[Aerowyn]

Guess what I have in my pants...




an airplane


:ross:

[SiriusTexra]

What is scary to me is that some of the "Tea Party Patriots" or whoever the fuck are probably hailing this guy as an American hero.

Congratulations, you lost media pr 101! Just be thankful you posted "that" here at these forums, so you don't look like a complete fuckup.

:ugh:


Also bodie, listen to your elders.

Let's have a look at the lovely things all happening right now in our grand pecking order:



ATTN: Possible overdrama included. Also, there is some Ausfag stuff in here, but, nevertheless,

Global warming bullshit hoax - Carbon tax. Anyone who has or will support this BULLSHIT is going to look like a fuckwit by the end of the year. Mark my words. Inhumane pieces of shit that need to be drowned in bongwater and sump oil for crimes against humanity and the 3rd world.

Dropping of the dollar for an international currency. Can you say "all the money of the world in one digital pile"? How could it go wrong!

Iran being sanctioned for "Nuclear" even though Israel has fucking warheads. Also that AFAIK Iran is the only place left that doesn't have a FED reserve. That and HOLY LAND SOLOMONS TEMPLE ALLAH HERESY SANDNIGGERS ETC ETC Possible WW3.

Body scanners in airports around the world being implemented at the same time.

Cameras being put EVERYWHERE. MS's Natal is probably the database collector the CIA has been jizzing about for years. Microsoft was at last years Bilderberg, after all.
New! Thumbscanner and retina collector for your toddlers!
Sign in simply by walking into the room! We totally can't live tap into your feed while your online hosing down wifeys face with man jelly infront of the fireplace. Not a chance bucko. Just keep smacking it against her cheek, It should stay hard. Ignore what Natal just said. Fuck you, demerit 50000 MS points. Fag.

Traffic stoppers and like people given policing powers in the UK, and that's only known since it was reported. Fuck knows who else has the cards. Lollypop ladies for all I know.

Bailout with a blackhole of Trillians of money gone?

Money was possibly spent on all the surveillance and control grids. Or just pocketed. I doubt that though. Too many people are saying it's just "gone" or "stolen", irresponsible. I think at this time they're not gonna be pinching our meager pennies, rather spending them on "stuff" we have no interest in or care to know about.

Gun removal bills.

Internet censorship being talked about in Australia, America and UK and who knows where else. All of it aimed at saving the kiddies, when anyone who knows anything about the internet should know that all child porn is distributed through email rings and private servers, not fucking galleries and htmls. Again, not meant to be it's purpose, just what ever makes us happy to fall for it, and put up with it.

Healthcare bill, which in itself may or may not LOOK harmless. Ours "works" and so does Canadas, but it's not about the benefits. It's about the bundled extra stuff that says evacuation to government locations and mandatory vaccines. Also a health care bill being pushed in South Australia that includes forced inoculations. Let alone the fucking Northern Territory Martial Law debacle that no one wants to talk about, or knows anything about.

Swine flu bullshit scare was to go hand in hand with health panic, make it seem needed. Made to look like a fuckup on purpose so that the system can be dismantled and rearranged to suit the current need. The money spent is irrelevant.

Military drills in ALL countries with "riots" and "disarming civilians" as the motif.

Bill being passed to Audit the Federal Reserve to see their books, who they've paid, when where when, what fucking decade (almost 100 years of goodies!), government VIOLENTLY fighting against it.

American occupation of Haiti and troop number increase has nothing to do with all it's oil reserves? (http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/LiveBlanFL.jpg)


TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM


The Black Saturday fires last year were used to pass a heap of government evacuation and land taking laws.

But my favorite;

The commonwealth bank of Australia, had their fucking 2009 Executive Ball with a theme of "20's gangsters" and everyone showing up dressing like swindlers and all given pay rises.

All of those, are happening SIMULTANEOUSLY. If I was a fucking IDIOT I'd think something was about to happen that they know we're not going to like. They probably have hope that we won't actually do anything to stop it, and it looks to be that way. My guess is all the military and surveillance is a "just in case". I think they're fairly confident they've won.

All I know is, I'd hate to see what plan B is, if all that shit failed them. I imagine it would be pretty much dual keying and button pushing left right and center, nukes passing each other in the atmosphere, while we post about why Live and battlenet are down.


And yes, I did waste my time. You got this far I guess. I dunno, here have a cool fucking tune to listen to. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpIvA2Ox8w)

[=sw=warlord]

Dane, didn't you say last year that by winter the swine flu was going to turn into the spanish flu and kill everyone?

[Cojafoji]

Good going Stacks!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/21/AR2010022102829.html

This gives them an excuse to curtail liberties at an even faster rate!

Can't wait for some shit stupid representative or senator from some backward state to propose a specific bill targeted at "at those who would become part of us, in order to destroy us."

BAD NEWS MEN! WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US!

[paladin]

Washington Post :ohdear:

[Cojafoji]

ap source with direct quotes. shhhh.

[sleepy1212]

lolemilywalters

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=5608

[paladin]

ap source with direct quotes. shhhh.

Washington Post :ohdear:

[sdavis117]

Washington Post :ohdear:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/20100222home-grown_terrorists_called_threat/srvc=news&position=also

Same article, different paper that you might more enjoy.

(Used to be owned by the same guy who owns Fox News, now it is owned by a former employee of his)

[CN3089]

ATTN: Possible overdrama included. Also, there is some Ausfag stuff in here, but, nevertheless,

Global warming bullshit hoax - Carbon tax. Anyone who has or will support this BULLSHIT is going to look like a fuckwit by the end of the year. Mark my words. Inhumane pieces of shit that need to be drowned in bongwater and sump oil for crimes against humanity and the 3rd world.

Dropping of the dollar for an international currency. Can you say "all the money of the world in one digital pile"? How could it go wrong!

Iran being sanctioned for "Nuclear" even though Israel has fucking warheads. Also that AFAIK Iran is the only place left that doesn't have a FED reserve. That and HOLY LAND SOLOMONS TEMPLE ALLAH HERESY SANDNIGGERS ETC ETC Possible WW3.

Body scanners in airports around the world being implemented at the same time.

Cameras being put EVERYWHERE. MS's Natal is probably the database collector the CIA has been jizzing about for years. Microsoft was at last years Bilderberg, after all.
New! Thumbscanner and retina collector for your toddlers!
Sign in simply by walking into the room! We totally can't live tap into your feed while your online hosing down wifeys face with man jelly infront of the fireplace. Not a chance bucko. Just keep smacking it against her cheek, It should stay hard. Ignore what Natal just said. Fuck you, demerit 50000 MS points. Fag.

Traffic stoppers and like people given policing powers in the UK, and that's only known since it was reported. Fuck knows who else has the cards. Lollypop ladies for all I know.

Bailout with a blackhole of Trillians of money gone?

Money was possibly spent on all the surveillance and control grids. Or just pocketed. I doubt that though. Too many people are saying it's just "gone" or "stolen", irresponsible. I think at this time they're not gonna be pinching our meager pennies, rather spending them on "stuff" we have no interest in or care to know about.

Gun removal bills.

Internet censorship being talked about in Australia, America and UK and who knows where else. All of it aimed at saving the kiddies, when anyone who knows anything about the internet should know that all child porn is distributed through email rings and private servers, not fucking galleries and htmls. Again, not meant to be it's purpose, just what ever makes us happy to fall for it, and put up with it.

Healthcare bill, which in itself may or may not LOOK harmless. Ours "works" and so does Canadas, but it's not about the benefits. It's about the bundled extra stuff that says evacuation to government locations and mandatory vaccines. Also a health care bill being pushed in South Australia that includes forced inoculations. Let alone the fucking Northern Territory Martial Law debacle that no one wants to talk about, or knows anything about.

Swine flu bullshit scare was to go hand in hand with health panic, make it seem needed. Made to look like a fuckup on purpose so that the system can be dismantled and rearranged to suit the current need. The money spent is irrelevant.

Military drills in ALL countries with "riots" and "disarming civilians" as the motif.

Bill being passed to Audit the Federal Reserve to see their books, who they've paid, when where when, what fucking decade (almost 100 years of goodies!), government VIOLENTLY fighting against it.

American occupation of Haiti and troop number increase has nothing to do with all it's oil reserves? (http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/LiveBlanFL.jpg)


TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM TERRORISM


The Black Saturday fires last year were used to pass a heap of government evacuation and land taking laws.

But my favorite;

The commonwealth bank of Australia, had their fucking 2009 Executive Ball with a theme of "20's gangsters" and everyone showing up dressing like swindlers and all given pay rises.

All of those, are happening SIMULTANEOUSLY. If I was a fucking IDIOT I'd think something was about to happen that they know we're not going to like. They probably have hope that we won't actually do anything to stop it, and it looks to be that way. My guess is all the military and surveillance is a "just in case". I think they're fairly confident they've won.

All I know is, I'd hate to see what plan B is, if all that shit failed them. I imagine it would be pretty much dual keying and button pushing left right and center, nukes passing each other in the atmosphere, while we post about why Live and battlenet are down.


And yes, I did waste my time. You got this far I guess. I dunno, here have a cool fucking tune to listen to. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpIvA2Ox8w)


I'm glad you're back, you li'l ol' ball of crazy. :allears:



edit to clarify: not sarcasm

[Kornman00]

Domestic extremism is top concern
Then why are we still in Iraq <:maddowns:>?

Oh right, because we're like the fat annoying kid on the block...we want to eat everyone else's pie too. It's not about terrorism, it's about getting some more goddamn pie :puke:

[CN3089]

Because nobody's built a time machine and it's not 2011 yet?

[paladin]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/general/view/20100222home-grown_terrorists_called_threat/srvc=news&position=also

Same article, different paper that you might more enjoy.

(Used to be owned by the same guy who owns Fox News, now it is owned by a former employee of his)

Boston Herald:ohdear:

Fox News:ohdear:


Because nobody's built a time machine and it's not 2011 yet?

LOL, there's no way troops will be out of Iraq in 2011. They'll just be reclassified from "active duty" to "peace keeper". LOL

[CN3089]

welp, sure glad you know more than General Ray Odierno

[paladin]

Sure do, glad I could assist you this evening. Is there anything else we can do for you tonight?

[Bodzilla]

stop posting for ever.

[paladin]

When you, Kyon, and every other douchbag here does, I will. But those odds look slim, Jim.

[Bodzilla]

when it's you vs the world or 90% of it, your probably doing something wrong.

[paladin]

Id rather be correct and with 10% than hop on a bandwagon of irrational thinking

[Ifafudafi]

Got damn enough with the drama, this wasn't supposed to be another fucking political thread

This is the kind of behavior I expect from the 50-odd impoverished adolescents I have to herd around every day

[paladin]

He started it

/childish remark

[Ifafudafi]

And I ended it

Go to your rooms and think about what you've done, I'll reopen the thread later tomorrow

[Bodzilla]

BUT MUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 11


:P

[Ifafudafi]

Okay kids, let's play nice now; if you really want to argue defenition of a terrorist then get a new topic

Anyways, it turned out that the guy actually did manage to kill one employee; two corpses were found, and it's assumed (maybe proven by now, I dunno) that one body is Plane-man, and the other one was a guy who just happened to be there at the wrong time.