"I'm too old for this shit..."

[Atty]

I was talking to a good friend from back in the Halo CE days, Gearbox, etc, and I think I've come to a scary conclusion...

Anyone else feel we are getting to that point where we are all moving away from gaming? I'm not talking about you ten year olds that inhabit this site, I'm talking about the ten or twenty of us still left from the original CE days and that were of a decent age back then, putting us into our late teens/twenties right now.

Now I don't mean moving away in the sense that we'll never play them again but more in terms of how involved we are with the community? Now I'm aware this won't hold true for those of us moving into the business but the rest of us, do you feel this way?

I guess I'm finally realizing that the youthful years of shenanigans and pranks is coming to an end and am looking for comfort in this darkest hour. ;_;

[Jean-Luc]

*gives a big hug*

I'm still just as into gaming as I was when I was 12, but that's owed heavily to my interest in becoming a game designer. I have moved away from modding and game-based fanart though.

[flibitijibibo]

I know exactly what you mean.

I don't necessarily feel like I'm moving away from gaming, but there are times where I look at, say, TF2, and I'll go: "... fuck, I don't want to play this anymore." Had it been me a couple years ago, I would have opened the game without a thought. My guess is a simple one: We just have shit to do now. It's not like 5-10 years ago where we sat in a building for 7 hours a day staring at the wall, wondering why we can't just go home and hop on to Halo. Probably half of my "fuck, I don't want to play this" moments are followed by "I have *someshit* in like an hour anyway..." In fact, I think what got me into modding in the first place is that I was so fucking bored with what I was doing. I was just so bored of what little schoolwork I had that I said "fuck it, let's see what all the controversy is about," and here I am today.

My trombone teacher was actually an avid Halo fan himself. When he was an undergrad student, he hosted LAN's all the time. He told me that at some point (jokingly referring to the time he got married), he just lost the time to play.

The number of times I hear stories like that makes me pretty certain that it's universal (unless you're a fatlus, of course). So, my advice: Don't feel bad, don't quit. You have the passion, you just have shit to do.

[DeeX]

This is oddly enough true. I agree with flibit about having stuff to do. With school and work and everything else I really don't have time to play games anymore. I used to stay up until ungodly hours playing on LIVE with my friends. Now I squeeze in a day or two a week consisting of about 2 hours of play at most. I'll feel like I want to play but then I get reminded of the work I have to do and that just leads to procrastination. Hopefully when I'm out of school I'll get back into a more substainable groove for playing games. My friend registered late for school and is missing out on a semester and now he has time to play CoD where as before he was on as often as I was.

[LlamaMaster]

Other than the fact that we all have "shit to do," there is also the fact that games just aren't that fun anymore. I don't mean that in the sense that as you mature they become less fun (which to a certain extent, they do), but rather that there is hardly anything fucking new these days. With the exception of a few good games, the majority are derivative and rehashed versions of something else. The industry has just so uninspired that we have become incredibly jaded.

Aside from that, hobbies in general get old after a while. What was fun and interesting as a child will wear thin the longer we do it. It doesn't matter what hobby it is, just that whatever it is (which for us is gaming) will become more boring the more we do it. That's why you have to find new hobby, do that for a while, get sick of that, then find a new one. Sooner or later video games will seem awesome again.

[Dwood]

Other than the fact that we all have "shit to do," there is also the fact that games just aren't that fun anymore. I don't mean that in the sense that as you mature they become less fun (which to a certain extent, they do), but rather that there is hardly anything fucking new these days. With the exception of a few good games, the majority are derivative and rehashed versions of something else. The industry has just so uninspired that we have become incredibly jaded.


I agree with that completely. Nowadays the developers are more focused on providing good graphics when they should be providing a better story/mechanisms to tell that story but because of publishers unwilling to take, and make risks all the games have turned into the same gory scene after the same gory scene kind of like how all if not most stories for movies are either cliche or over-used. Siliconmaster can back me up on that one. :)



Aside from that, hobbies in general get old after a while. What was fun and interesting as a child will wear thin the longer we do it. It doesn't matter what hobby it is, just that whatever it is (which for us is gaming) will become more boring the more we do it. That's why you have to find new hobby, do that for a while, get sick of that, then find a new one. Sooner or later video games will seem awesome again.

I would have to say that it's not so much that the hobbies that get old, it's that we get old. We get old and realize the ideas and concepts we envisioned aren't that cool... Or they were cool but you get old and lame and don't do them. OR you decide they are impossible to happen. (if you're in modding) Gaming as a hobby tends to make people pessimistic about the world and the individuals in it.

[sleepy1212]

i'm pretty old in internet terms, maybe irl too, but after 15 years of playing in bands and hanging out in bars i find modding a suitable creative outlet that i can do by myself.

...or maybe i'm just sick of looking for drummers :downsrim:

[Siliconmaster]

Yeah, I can definitely sympathize a little. All through high school I was a gamer, but not to the extent that some of you were due to the fact that I had dialup internet, and therefore could barely play Halo, let alone anything else. As such, my freshman year of college made up for all of that- I played more Halo 3 than probably healthy. However, this year I've barely played it at all, and it's a little saddening. There's just so much to do.

And yeah, I can sympathize with Dwood's observation- as a film major I see a lot of the storytelling devices that are being used now, and although there are definitely new ideas coming out, as always there is a tendency to just build off existing concepts. I'm hoping Halo: Reach will help to mix things up a little.

[Timo]

At the moment i'm moving away from games as my workload and life goes down the shitter, but still enjoy the odd game of dota.

[Dwood]

EW dota i hate that game.

[Limited]

I kind of agree, my perspective is just changing. I do get what you mean though, even in real life my and my housemate seem to be saying "Ooh back in the day" alot.

[Heathen]

and I was thinking this was another "I'm leaving" thread.

[paladin]

So are you leaving then?

[Bodzilla]

It's just time management, before it was like GAMING GAMING GAMING WOOOOOOOoooOOOo GOTTA GET IN AS MUCH AS I CAN BEFORE SCHOOL.
now it's kinda

"i'm really exhausted from work, i dont feel like doing anything, so i guess i'll look at some stupid videos on the net and browse the forums as well as, i've got shit to do in an hour or so, so theres no point getting started."

[flibitijibibo]

Off topic: Heh, nah. Though Korn seems to have taken the green name...

On topic: Seconding "today's games are shit." If TF2/L4D taught me anything, it's that art direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gud grafix lol. Not only "easier" (artists, feel free to ruin my shit), but gives you a lot more artistic freedom both visually and storywise.

[Inferno]

Someone should explain this to Sam.

[Bodzilla]

just because he gets to live in a fun world cut off from reality AND has a brilliant time (apparently) doesnt mean we should spoil it for him.

Hell if i was stupid enough i'd do it too.
Because who needs reality anyway, reality sucks whale penis.

[Dwood]

That one vid of sam showed he wasnt too bad off so maybe he comes and visits rl every now and then?

[Atty]

So are you leaving then?I left months ago.

[paladin]

why so blu in the name? you depressed?

[Heathen]

It's clearly evident. lol

[Rook]

LOL

[Atty]

why so blu in the name? you depressed?I don't know what you are talking about.

[El Lobo]

I know what you mean Atty. I miss the 14-17 year old days when I could hang out in Halo CE servers all day and post on Gearbox. Different times.

[Heathen]

I don't know what you are talking about.

lol, its green again

[English Mobster]

I think that Halo as a whole is dying.
You guys have been playing Halo most of your teenage life, but steadily more and more people are leaving and not coming back. A majority of the community which played CE decided that updating to the latest version wasn't important to them anymore and there are other games out there (going all the way back to even 1.07), and, slowly, the playerbase has been leaving. As the playerbase shrinks, the mapping community makes maps to a smaller and smaller audience. As the audience gets smaller, the mappers see less reason to make maps, and so less maps are released. As less maps are released, people don't see very much reason to play the game anymore, and so they leave. I stopped working on my map midway through because I simply didn't see enough people still online to justify the time and effort I was putting into the map. After the latest update (1.09?), I never could be fucked to go to my dedicated server and update it, because there was no point: no one would join it.
It's a cycle which won't end until you refresh the server list in CE and see a total of maybe fifteen servers, all dedicated and all empty. Because they're empty, no one will join them, and because no one will join them, they will remain empty.
What I think is happening is that you guys are just experiencing the backlash of this community dying. There's not a large enough playerbase in CE to play it with you anymore, and so you look at it and decide that it's not worth the time. It's not that you're too old; it's that the game itself is.
That's what's happening to me, anyway.
Another thing which is happening is that every damn game is the same today: pick up weapons, shoot stuff, blow things up. It's not a challenge. You've learned how to do this; you've been doing it for the past 10 years. Why continue?
The only thing which can get you to play a game again is if something is introduced which makes it fun: Portal, for instance, was fun because it was different. It wasn't "Go blow this up over here and do that". It was "Oh, hi. You can't shoot anything, but people can shoot at you. Now solve puzzles."
It's unique approaches like that which make a game worth playing again. But what's the difference between Portal and, say, Mirror's Edge? They're both puzzle(-ish) games where you can't really harm anything. Why would Portal have a much more massive fanbase than Mirror's Edge?
My answer: Humor. Portal had a dark humor throughout. Mirror's Edge didn't have that, and thus it simply wasn't as memorable as Portal is.
I understand that this point may be moot, as people don't play Portal anymore, either. I would say the reason for that isn't that people are tired of the Portal formula (one glance at the Portal 2 discussions makes that evident), but because Portal is only singleplayer: there's only so much you can do, the same things will happen every time you go through it. If Portal were (somehow) multiplayer, than perhaps people would still play it often, and still find it fun, because it's new and different.
Speaking of new and different, I suppose that's also why TF2 has held on for so long: Valve constantly updates it. There's always new content, and so the game never grows old. There are exceptions to the rule, of course (people may just be leaving because they're tired of the same ol' FPS formula), but the chief reason why TF2 lives on so valiantly is because it's updated so often. Look at the 360 version. It's dead. Why? There were never any updates.
Things will stay alive as long as they're new and exciting. As soon as they lose their luster, they begin to die. For many of us, Halo lost its luster back around 1.07, when we lost many of the major mapping teams and established members. Halomaps' featured maps, which used to change every week, suddenly changed every 2 weeks, then every 3 weeks, then every month. Now look at it: it's been the same for almost a month and a half. Halo isn't new, it isn't exciting. For some of us, the entire FPS genre isn't new and exciting anymore. We want to find something else to do with our time rather than the same old shit we've been doing for 10 years.
We yearn for something new, something different, something which isn't the same as every Gears of Duty: Reach which is released nowadays, but no one is willing to give any kind of change from the norm a chance. It isn't us that is getting too old for the games; the games are getting too old for us.

[Bodzilla]

far, far to many words jay.

It's like looking up at the K2 mountain reading that bloody post.
and somehow i just know the weathers gunna go bad about an hour in.

What i did to try to game more was cut down on forum time. I'd go through the forum once, read everything in off topic and everything else that interested me and then not come back.

other wise i just spend ages doing nothing but seeing if someones responded to me yet.

[paladin]

I don't know what you are talking about.

sick and depressed, not a good combo!

[Rook]

I think that Halo as a whole is dying.

The last worthwhile year was 2007. Maybe the beginning of 2008.

[LlamaMaster]

Halo needs to die. I'm sick of it and the essence of failure surrounding it. There are so many better games to mod.

[flibitijibibo]

Yay, I'm not the only one saying that anymore!

[Reaper Man]

I rarely game, nowadays it's all about photography for me.

[SnaFuBAR]

The last worthwhile year was 2007. Maybe the beginning of 2008.

been saying this forever hth

[Limited]

Bod summed it up perfectly. Its just theres no time, I have a ton of work to do. I'm usually too tired to play games, played couple of hours of Rock Band last night at 10pm with housemate that was fun but yeah rarely happens.

[Siliconmaster]

Well, regardless of how dead or dying CE is, let's not put the nail in the coffin until I can finish and release Precipice. Seems only fair- the project started in CE's beginning, and it will finish at its end. Of course, I also have some self interest. :downs:

[Pooky]

It's just time management, before it was like GAMING GAMING GAMING WOOOOOOOoooOOOo GOTTA GET IN AS MUCH AS I CAN BEFORE SCHOOL.
now it's kinda

"i'm really exhausted from work, i dont feel like doing anything, so i guess i'll look at some stupid videos on the net and browse the forums as well as, i've got shit to do in an hour or so, so theres no point getting started."

Thinking precisely this right now. In fact I really should get off Modacity and get to it :|

[Dwood]

Im not done here yet, im using ce to help me learn to program, that day may come when im sick of it but as long as every other game creation model sucks im still going to be in ce, doing single player as thats where the largest audience in ce now resides. It sucks that when i got hce i was too noob to understand the parts the original hek left out. yeah im just blathering. Ive been here since oh-seven. and was there to witness chains and sel's banning on halomaps. oh that was fun lol

[Heathen]

Shiiit. As far as CE goes, it has been dead, but gaming wont die for me.

[thehoodedsmack]

In my enduring effort to relay and promote inspirational messages:

YKBRG_QgEAM

[n00b1n8R]

Too busy watching all 10 seasons of SG-1 from start to finish to play games. :saddowns:

[=sw=warlord]

I remember when i first started modding back in 04 when i was 17, had just moved to where i am now and while waiting for a course at college to start i played a bit of Halo pc, these days the enjoyment has gone down the shitter, it just isn't as fun as it used to be.
Modding halo got boring after i learned all i wanted to learn and do all i wanted to do.

[Bodzilla]

In my enduring effort to relay and promote inspirational messages:

YKBRG_QgEAM
It's like i just got punched in the face D:

Makes ya kinda sad, but i did have alot of fun.

[ultama121]

I play stuff from time to time, but I'm really interested in the social aspect of gaming--mostly multiplayer, modding, and communities like this if you will. I rarely play multiplayer games alone. It isn't even limited to multiplayer games though, playing single player games with friends is awesome. Sharing in the experience is what matters to me.

If I ever play a single player game on my own, it'll be because the story is good.

Funny how the above video goes with my opinion. :V

[LlamaMaster]

I rarely play multiplayer games alone.
This. It's almost boring to play them without friends, and on the rare occasion that I do, I make a point of it to go to a server where people actually talk.

[Heathen]

back in 04 when i was 17

wtf, from the way you type, I figured you were about 12-14.

[=sw=warlord]

wtf, from the way you type, I figured you were about 12-14.
Maybe that's because 3/4 of the time i literally cannot be bothered making a fully fleshed out, fully punctuated comment.

Unfortunately i never really have too much interest in the goings on in these forums or any other after slowly getting bored, I more often than not have much more important thing's going through my mind than having to pick certain thoughts out through all the static buzz to bother making a half decent comment here.
Everything these day's seems to be a case of "lord of the flies", Everyone is trying to pull authority on one another while the ones intentionaly trying to cause hassle for other members are revered as forum "icons".
Though thing's are a little different when im talking on a instant messenger as a few people here will probably have realised by now.
Contrary to your pre-hand thought, i am infact 22 years old, As much as i find what you said in distaste i can hardly blame you considering you've never spoken me to over xbox live nor had a chance to talk to me personaly, MSN or other otherwise.
Not to worry though, i personaly do not take much interest in the opinions of people on forums, they usualy bore me plus the added fact 99.99% of the time i would never meet in person, so Why so serious?.

[LlamaMaster]

If you took the time to defend yourself in that long paragraph, you could have just as easily taken the time to write it properly. Don't try to make a case for yourself if you can't even back up your claim with proper grammar...

[Ganon]

wtf, from the way you type, I figured you were about 12-14.

lol yeah wtf im 12 and i tipe better

[=sw=warlord]

If you took the time to defend yourself in that long paragraph, you could have just as easily taken the time to write it properly. Don't try to make a case for yourself if you can't even back up your claim with proper grammar...
As i said, i really do not bother myself too much with forums and so im not going to go out of my way to explain my self to a bunch of anonymous users on a forum website.
If you really do not like that, then that is your issue not mine.

[Bodzilla]

This. It's almost boring to play them without friends, and on the rare occasion that I do, I make a point of it to go to a server where people actually talk.
all talk servers are the shizneh.

[Heathen]

Maybe that's because 3/4 of the time i literally cannot be bothered making a fully fleshed out, fully punctuated comment.

Unfortunately i never really have too much interest in the goings on in these forums or any other after slowly getting bored, I more often than not have much more important thing's going through my mind than having to pick certain thoughts out through all the static buzz to bother making a half decent comment here.
Everything these day's seems to be a case of "lord of the flies", Everyone is trying to pull authority on one another while the ones intentionaly trying to cause hassle for other members are revered as forum "icons".
Though thing's are a little different when im talking on a instant messenger as a few people here will probably have realised by now.
Contrary to your pre-hand thought, i am infact 22 years old, As much as i find what you said in distaste i can hardly blame you considering you've never spoken me to over xbox live nor had a chance to talk to me personaly, MSN or other otherwise.
Not to worry though, i personaly do not take much interest in the opinions of people on forums, they usualy bore me plus the added fact 99.99% of the time i would never meet in person, so Why so serious?.

Oh yeah, I never meant it as an insult or that you type badly, but the use of shorthand and lowercase i's is just a big tell tale sign of adolescence. Not that its at all bad to not feel like typing all eng101 style.

[n00b1n8R]

I'm too busy to write proper posts.
If you can't take the extra 10 seconds it takes to fix up mistakes in a post then why would anybody take the time to read what you have to say?
Obviously it's not important to you so why should anybody else give a fuck.

tl;dr if you're not going to post properly, stop.

PS. Hope reading this didn't take up to much of your time, I'm sure you had better things to do.

[=sw=warlord]

If you can't take the extra 10 seconds it takes to fix up mistakes in a post then why would anybody take the time to read what you have to say?
Obviously it's not important to you so why should anybody else give a fuck.

tl;dr if you're not going to post properly, stop.

PS. Hope reading this didn't take up to much of your time, I'm sure you had better things to do.

Just because i don't type my messages in grade A+ journalism dosn't mean i don't have worth while meaning's behind the messages and if you really think that then you really need to sit down and think to yourself on what exactly constitutes a meaningfull comment, is it the grammer? the spelling? or the actual message and information gained from the comment itself?

I have already stated this once but apparently some people skim comments which in my mind is worse than those who use down to earth short and sweet comment's.
I really don't like adding all the bells and whistles to any comments in person or online, i preffer the message in my words to speak more volumes than having to spend a minute going through every single little detail.

I will give you one insight how ever, I am Dyspraxic, How ever over the years since diagnosed i have somewhat overcome that to a point that although i may not use perfect grammer every comment i make, the only real time you will suspect anything is if you see my hand writing.
I would appologise for my grammer but apparently there are those on these forums who have such respect for anyone they do not know in person and realise they can hide behind their anonymity that even sincere comments by my self would be falling on deaf ears.
And so, i don't bother going full way to post "properly" as i feel it would be a waste of my time as i doubt anyone here would show the same respect back, i only show the respect to those who i feel i can expect it back from.
If you really do not like my posting style, then there is that little feature that allows you to ignore users comments, use that instead of getting pissed off for such a small issue.



PS. Hope reading this didn't take up to much of your time, I'm sure you had better things to do. Actualy i do, i am currently more interested in when i should be expecting myself to drop dead, literaly.
I've recently had a blood test for nearly every cardio condition, shortly after had a chest Xray and on thursday i am due for cardio clinic so please excuse me if my mind is else where, when i should so obviously be thinking about posting manners on a online videogame fan forum.

[Limited]

Can you guys quit bitching? Okay Warlord's posts are harder to read than some posts on here, but they are still readable.

We come here to relax and unwind, not to be moaned at for our grammar skills.

[Heathen]

woah, looks like I let the monkey out of the bottle.

I was only commenting on the surprising realization of his age, which has happened to many of you here before.

Besides, I can think of a respected member who types pretty similarly

http://www.modacity.net/forums/images/customavatars/avatar466_36.gif


with all due respect bodie

[Bodzilla]

waht you takling about heathen


Derpalerp

[paladin]

We come here to relax and unwind, not to be moaned at for our grammar skills.

What forum do you think your posting at. That's all everyone does here....

[=sw=warlord]

What forum do you think your posting at. That's all everyone does here....
If someone's idea of relaxation is calling other users out for miniscule details then they seriously have a personal issue they should get checked on.

[Heathen]

lol

[Heathen]

waht you takling about heathen


Derpalerp
lol

[Inferno]

lol

lol

This thread is seriously derailed

[paladin]

If someone's idea of relaxation is calling other users out for miniscule details then they seriously have a personal issue they should get checked on.


I dont come here to relax. I come here to get pissed off so I have an excuse to hit people.