Net Neutrality

[Kornman00]

Has anyone even been keeping up with Net Neutrality? I guess the TSA's blunders have been groping most of the media's boobs lately to let anything else pass thru the news gates.

FCC Chairman Announces Fake Net Neutrality Proposal (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/fcc-chairman-announces-fa_b_790307.html).

Admittedly, I'm not really motivated to track this right now due to work and life. SaveTheInternet.com/FreePress is, as always, hyping the current issue but since I've yet to hear anyone else from modacity or other like-wise forum venues speak up about NN issues I have to wonder if anyone is actually paying attention or if anyone actually cares about NN.

Remember, I care about NN but, due to work and life, can't spend much time tracking this. You all, on the other hand, have no excuse! Now do what you do best Modacity, and newsfeed and discuss!

[Warsaw]

I read a couple of days ago. There are two things I don't like that are in there, and one thing that isn't in there but really, really needs to be.

1.) Real Net Neutrality is blind to all content. What's this "legal content" bullshit? Sounds like a loophole for future government involvement to me, whether its corporate or politically backed doesn't matter.

2.) ISPs can charge us on usage? Fuck that shit. They can stop lining their pockets and expand their networks. This is related to my last point...

3.) Force ISPs to provide alternatives in areas. Lots of them have monopolies on certain population centers, so they can fuck the people however they please with no threat from competition.

[Futzy]

It's basically just a fucked up ploy to change what already works. The worst part being that ISPs can begin charging for regular usage like is done on phones. It's better than the alternative, now that ISPs how figured out they are in control of everything and can pretty much do whatever they want, thats what started it all. Whatever happens, its going to be bad.

[Heathen]

Whatever happens, its going to be bad.

If this ridiculous bullshit goes through.

[Warsaw]

I will be surprised if it doesn't.

[Heathen]

http://www.modacity.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1849&d=1291507805

[n00b1n8R]

We've always been charged on usage (or had DL caps where you get 56K speeds after you DL more than your limit). :smith:

However the sort of shit that your ISP's are looking at doing is so far beyond reasonable. I really hope that net neutrality stays (for our future's sake tbh, you can't overstate the importance of the internet for humanity's development)

[Dwood]

I will be surprised if it doesn't.

I will be if it does. I have some faith in these legislators, that is, if they want to stay elected what with things being so volatile right now.

[Warsaw]

Problem is that most people don't even know this is going on. If this passes, the masses will have no idea.

[Heathen]

But the internet wouldn't let it happen quietly. If stupider things can make idiots like anon gather, this sure as hell is going to draw a crowd.

[Warsaw]

Unless lack of net neutrality prevents them from doing so in some way.

[Rook]

But the internet wouldn't let it happen quietly. If stupider things can make idiots like anon gather, this sure as hell is going to draw a crowd.

What crowd? What are all the 4chan shut ins gonna do when it happens? Probably fucking nothing but bitch about it and suck the governments dick more via social avoidance disability checks. It does suck though we'll see what happens!

[Donut]

that kind of seems like an issue in itself. a bunch of pissed off internet kids (re: 4chan) lashing out at the government probably wont do anything in our favor. if anything the people pushing this would use it as a reason to get rid of net neutrality.

[sleepy1212]

They don't need to add a new bill to save the internet. They just need to tear up the old ones that allow ISP's to have multi-state monopolies.

Honestly, you have to be an all out raging statist to believe that the internet will be better when politicians get their hands on it.

[Heathen]

They don't need to add a new bill to save the internet. They just need to tear up the old ones that allow ISP's to have multi-state monopolies.

Honestly, you have to be an all out raging statist to believe that the internet will be better when politicians get their hands on it.
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[Warsaw]

^ Pretty much.

Actually, the easiest fix would be reclassifying broadband internet as telecommunications, like they should have been in the first place.

[Bodzilla]

wtf broadband isn't classified as telecommunications???? just what the fuck do you call it then.

[sleepy1212]

Federal Communications Commission Chairman Julius Genachowski today said he would like to see the transmission portion of broadband connections classified as a Title II, or telecommunications service.

link (http://connectedplanetonline.com/residential_services/news/fcc-broadband-classification-0506/)


1. What are Title I and Title II services?

Broadband traditionally has been considered a Title I information service, rather than a Title II telecommunications service. Title II services are more heavily regulated and include requirements such as filing tariffs before offering services or changing prices. The FCC has been responsible for Title II services for years, but whether it has the authority to regulate Title I services is a matter of debate.

link (http://connectedplanetonline.com/residential_services/news/six-things-broadband-reclassification-0416/index.html)

pdf Letter to Genachowski about why telecom classification is bad (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020389406)
linked from AT&T (http://attpublicpolicy.com/broadband-policy/the-myth-of-broadband-reclassification/)stating broadband is classified as a Title I Information service.

@ Warsaw: so yea, that's pretty much the opposite of what i said earlier.

[Warsaw]

Not really. It originally started as a Title II and was moved to Title I after intense lobbying. If it were a Title II, it might actually become a competitive field again. It's not adding a bill, it's undoing a shitty change that shouldn't have been made in the first place, i.e. the one allowing them to have multi-state monopolies.

[Kornman00]

FCC poised to adopt network neutrality rules (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tec_fcc_net_neutrality;_ylt=ApZGmgPBQBlNscjKnOO e0MOs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTN0NGExZDkxBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTA xMjIxL3VzX3RlY19mY2NfbmV0X25ldXRyYWxpdHkEY2NvZGUDb W9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM3BHBvcwM0BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQR zZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDZmNjcG9pc2VkdG9h)

[jcap]

You can watch it live here btw: http://www.savetheinternet.com/FCCmeeting
Or here: http://www.cspan.org/Events/FCC-Considers-Adopting-Net-Neutrality/10737418370-1/

E: Robert M. McDowell deserves to lose his seat for putting the interest of giant corporations ahead of the People. He is fucking despicable - a disgrace to ALL Amercians. Can he make it any more obvious that he is on Comcast's payroll?

E2: So does Meredith Attwell Baker. Her vagina is gaping from all of the telecom dick she's taken.

E3: I don't understand why no one has the balls to counter the Net Neutrality haters. I think it's just because absolutely no one on either side has any idea what the fuck it actually is.

E4: Good news. Chairman Julius Genachowski is speaking last and he has a lot of good to say.

E5: Net Neutrality has passed. Too bad it's going to be tied up in legal battles over the next few years and it's not the exact "complete neutrality" we wanted. But it's a small step forward.

[iizahsum]

So I'm guessing you saw McDowell make his "super short" speech.

[n00b1n8R]

Anybody got a transcript? The laws the US passes on this affects the rest of the world. Wish your gov would realise that and act accordingly.

[paladin]

What was passed was not Net Neutrality. It was Net Neutering.

[Rook]

http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/10/12/22/not-neutrality

[Kornman00]

Republican Leader Joins with Senators Hutchison and Ensign on Resolution of Disapproval to Repeal FCC’s Internet Regulations (http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=f34e9fb0-01d5-4603-8026-698992e8913c&ContentType_id=77eb43da-aa94-497d-a73f-5c951ff72372&Group_id=505cc3fa-a767-40f4-8ac2-4b8326b44e94)

To quote jcap

jcap: I'd love for them to prove how net neutrailty kills jobs
jcap: it seems like it's the republicans' only defense against everything
kornman: fucking goddamn texas cunt
jcap: IT KILLS ARE JERBS

[Warsaw]

Remember, it also has to get past the Democrat-controller Senate and Obama.

[SiriusTexra]

Remember, it also has to get passed the Democrat-controller Senate and Obama.

Haha.

"get passed" it surely will.

[sleepy1212]

I think he meant the "hey we don't like this" bill, which will not.

[Warsaw]

Yes, that is exactly what I was referring to.

[DarkHalo003]

Don't generalize Republicans. I'm a Republican and I'm not siding with those who have said what is quoted above.

[Warsaw]

I'm not. If they do vote against the "we don't want this" bill, awesome. I was just making a general speculation on the outcome of the situation.