"Halo 4: I Get a Woman!" - Sgt. Mjr. A.J. Johnson, RIP

[=sw=warlord]

I'll probably play the beta if there is one but I doubt I'll buy it new.

[RedBaron]

Hate the backpacks.

[DarkHalo003]

http://www.1up.com/previews/interview-halo-4-past-present-future

Nice little interview.

After watching that trailer, I'm psyched for the game. I really like the aesthetics they're appropriating in the game and I really like the aesthetics of the Spartans and weapons. The only things that bug me are the environments so far; nothing looks new and original yet. All of this is merely WIP, but I would like to see some assets put into place. I'm also worried that 343i is going to make it too much like an FPS instead of that 3PS/FPS mix we've seen with Halo thus-far. Of the approaches they're making, though, I really like the "Spartans are superheros" because frankly I feel like it was never flushed out in the past games primarily because it felt more like the Master Chief was the only competent fighter on the battlefield; the AI were either too weak (marines) or too strong (Elites).

@The naysayers regarding the BR's aesthetic design:

I believe since the next saga will take place in an entirely different region of the galaxy near special-operations Marines, the BR is a variant utilized for their purposes. In other words, I believe it was more of a lore propelling factor to change the BR aesthetically than just a "New game needz new weapon appearancezzz."

[t3h m00kz]

music rocks, new BR rocks, looks great

inb4 "omg teh br uzez teh saem aminashonz az teh DMR from reech!!!" and "HOMFG teh hud iz s000 bad!!!"

fuckin snobs

[Warsaw]

If they are going to go realistic, they should stop pussy-footing around and go realistic. That means gibbing, ADS, non-bouncy, and Crysis-like power management. Otherwise, leave the entirely fictional aesthetic and game-play intact.

Also, Spartan-IV derp. :v:

[BobtheGreatII]

Seriously guys? Out of everything the question that hits me is.

WHAT IN THE FUCK DID THEY DO TO THE WARTHOG!?

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6340/hog.png

Ew.

[TVTyrant]

music rocks, new BR rocks, looks great

inb4 "omg teh br uzez teh saem aminashonz az teh DMR from reech!!!" and "HOMFG teh hud iz s000 bad!!!"

fuckin snobs
This. I think the whole thing looks great. I will be buying on release. I really like the direction theyre going, because its their own direction. They are going to make their game. And I really like that.

@Bob: I can't see a good enough angle to really judge, and I was a piss poor modeler when I tried. Can you give me some hints as to whats wrong with it?

[BobtheGreatII]

You know, they had me up until the bashing of Bungie. The whole "These aren't just areas from singleplayer" and the "Fans will be happy to know that the battle rifle is back" bah bah bah. 343 is sort of irritating me. I get that they now have Halo. And that's fine and all. But I don't like that they snip at the people who created the thing. But I'm sure things may be a little tense between Bungie and 343. But that may just be me over thinking it.

Mostly the Warthog has taken a freakish jump to a uh... too realistic design. But not really? It's mixing way too much together in my mind. Like the suspension actually has an axel now. Springs on the shocks? I mean really? Not to mention the giant ass cattle guard on the front. Personally I like Neuro's hog more. I'm sad. And sort of scared to see what will come of the other vehicles.


HOWEVER. That being said. I'll still probably get it... because I love Halo. And there's no reason I wouldn't.

[samnwck]

Oh jesus, an actual axle? Way to truly shit on the homage to the original hog :/ that gauge cluster is horrendous as well.

[Kornman00]

Spartan 4s?

You've got to be kidding me...

[Zeph]

You know, they had me up until the bashing of Bungie.
At first I thought that was the case too. Then I got to thinking of some of the things I've heard of them concerning hiring people. They've had to not only build an entire creative team from scratch, but legitimize every single thing they do. A group of really smart people who know exactly what they want will figure out how to legitimize requests for things they don't need in a way no one else will notice. The rest have a tendency to come up with reasons and wholeheartedly believe in them (for better or worse). I think that attitude from the video in general is people trying to justify themselves for the sake of their jobs. Usually these places go bankrupt, but I have a feeling that wont happen for a while simply because of the name brand.

Ultimately, this whole Halo 4 thing to me comes down to whether they can cater to what I want. I'll rent the game for campaign. I'll buy it for access to a HEK level of longevity. If they try to tie this whole thing into GFWL and Win8 again, I'll laugh while watching their world burn.

Glad I never sent them a portfolio.

[TeeKup]

There are things I love and hate about the new armor for all the spartans. Also the multiplayer utilizes spartan IV's, which didn't have energy shields. So why do I see shield popping in that video?

[Arteen]

343i sure fucking hates Bungie and everything they ever did with Halo.

[Kornman00]

Spartan 4s, not Mark 4 suits.

[Bobblehob]

I'm confused korn, what is the problem with Spartan 4s, if the s2 and s3 projects were successful, as they are in the story, then why not continue said projects?

[TeeKup]

OH WAIT. Spartan 4's? Ok, I want to see more info on this. I want to see how this turns out plot wise.

[t3h m00kz]

bungie hates 343 right the fuck back

[Bobblehob]

All I see so far in this thread is alot of speculation and anger based off of a tiny bit of information. We literally know almost nothing about the game, and probably won't know much for months to come. To be honest, I think most of the people here should hold their judgement and wait.

[Warsaw]

Fact: canon is already ruined.

Fact: they are taking greeble to a whole new level.

Fact: they forgot about the "infinitely variable transmission" part in the Warthog's description.

[Amit]

SPARTAN-IV's? Ahahahaha! Oh, that's too funny. Blah blah blah, we are 343i, blah blah blah, Spartan IV's are superduperawesomefun, blah blah blah...

343i must not like what Nylund did to the Spartan-III's. If you're going to go non-canon, why the fuck not just use regular SPARTAN-II's?

[Bobblehob]

Fact: your first fact isn't a fact


Fact: your second fact is a fact, but not necessarily a bad thing

I don't know about the third thing :P

[Arteen]

http://i.imgur.com/wHyUa.png
Ahahaha. (http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1129455) Waypoint forums, you're not as bad as I thought!

[Zeph]

SPARTAN-IV's? Ahahahaha! Oh, that's too funny. Blah blah blah, we are 343i, blah blah blah, Spartan IV's are superduperawesomefun, blah blah blah...

343i must not like what Nylund did to the Spartan-III's. If you're going to go non-canon, why the fuck not just use regular SPARTAN-II's?

No, their idea behind Spartan IVs is along the lines of the following:

Spartans held a physical limit on what their bodies could endure.
Spartan IIs overcame this limit through genetic enhancement. Experimental and high-budget prototype stage.
Spartan IIIs took lessons learned through Spartan IIs and applied them on a much larger scale. Lower budget test stage.
Spartan IVs are the perfection of the technique. Cheap as possible and pools candidates from entire human population.

edit: It's not about one being better or worse than another. This simply has to do with what point it is on the Halo timeline.
/edit


I don't know about the third thing :P
The infinitely variable transmission part was the whole reason the warthog had a suspension the way it did and "one" gear.

[Hotrod]

Am I the only one that realizes that the whole "We're not taking maps out of the campaign" and "Fans will be happy that the BR is back" thing is just to make the fans shut up and make them happy to balance out their skeptism towards the changes they're bringing to the multiplayer? It's not a big secret that a large part of the community has been complaining about Reach's maps that were ported into the campaign (though many think they came from the campaign) and lack of BR and demanded for these to be fixed in Halo 4. 343 Industries just wanted to point to people that they're listening to them and giving them what they want, and are not doing the whole "FUK U BUNGEE WE R HATE U CUZ WE HAZ TEH HEYLOWZ NAO AN U FEILED REECH" like some people here are suggesting.

Now, I for one am excited to see how this will shake up the multiplayer to bring us a fresh, new experience. Yes, I am somewhat skeptical about the whole thing, and no, I do not want Halo to become a modern generic shooter with nothing different to offer from them. In plus, we haven't even seen how this whole "perk" system will work anyway, so why judge it before knowing what it is?

However, it seems that the basic gameplay of Halo will still remain despite the changes, so I'm sure I will love it just as I have every Halo game so far (Yes, including Halo Reach to all of you "LOLREECH" haters).

And I'm loving the new art direction, from the new BR to the Warthog, it all looks fantastic. I'm glad they're changing things up in the looks rather than sticking to the old stuff we've been seeing for over 10 years now. It's time things look different, or else it'd get stale.

[Bobblehob]

^^ This!!

[Lateksi]

I like how the multiplayer movement is faster, and that one guy even flied for some time. Health packs would be nice though, as would power ups too since they add map control to the gameplay. Chief looks 100 times better than the spartan IV's, I like the 'mechaish' parts of his armor.

[Siliconmaster]

Did anyone else catch the bit about them finding a plot reason for red spartans fighting blue spartans? My first instinct is to laugh and mock, but on second thought it would actually be rather entertaining to have an explanation. If nothing else, I want to see what they come up with.

[Bobblehob]

Did anyone else catch the bit about them finding a plot reason for red spartans fighting blue spartans? My first instinct is to laugh and mock, but on second thought it would actually be rather entertaining to have an explanation. If nothing else, I want to see what they come up with.


Yeah, I heard it too, my first thought was that it wasn't necessary to give a story driven basis for multiplayer, but now I am curious like you.

[nuttyyayap]

Oh, I have a "compelling and convincing" reason for spartans to fight each other.




It's fucking MULTIPLAYER.
There, problem solved.
ANYWAY; I have about 1,000,000 problems with this but I'll wait until we get more info before ranting.

[Amit]

No, their idea behind Spartan IVs is along the lines of the following:

Spartans held a physical limit on what their bodies could endure.
Spartan IIs overcame this limit through genetic enhancement. Experimental and high-budget prototype stage.
Spartan IIIs took lessons learned through Spartan IIs and applied them on a much larger scale. Lower budget test stage.
Spartan IVs are the perfection of the technique. Cheap as possible and pools candidates from entire human population.


I doubt they've made it that far into the future. Spartan-III's were already so cheap that ONI didn't care that there were 100% casualty rates for most of their large missions. Them along with all their equipment. I bet it'd be cheaper to train 50 Spartan-II's and have them all die.

No, these Spartan-IV's look even more like machines than the Chief. I doubt regular humans would be able to heft all that armour without augmentations, but they can't handle them in the first place. 343i is just creating Spartan-IV's to make it look like they are doing something new.

[DarkHalo003]

I doubt they've made it that far into the future. Spartan-III's were already so cheap that ONI didn't care that there were 100% casualty rates for most of their large missions. Them along with all their equipment. I bet it'd be cheaper to train 50 Spartan-II's and have them all die.

No, these Spartan-IV's look even more like machines than the Chief. I doubt regular humans would be able to heft all that armour without augmentations, but they can't handle them in the first place. 343i is just creating Spartan-IV's to make it look like they are doing something new.
Err ONI was creating the Spartan IV since ORION's conception, but in secret. Effectively, the Spartan IV is a more refined version of a Spartan I. At this point, anything done by ONI could seem plausible simply because they are devious and know so much shit. But if you don't want to accept that then that's your way of dealing with things.

TLDR: Read Glasslands.

[t3h m00kz]

but that's an even longer read!!

[ODX]

"Oh look a better debut for a game!...Oh god shit looks ugly this whole game is ugly this is a flop fuck [insert developer] and their shit they're doing everything wrong omg I know so much more than them."

...What the fuck am I reading in this thread? Mighty fucking Moses have some bloody patience and wait for more gameplay and information before you go spitting out all this bullshit "critique." It seems like this forum hates every new damn game that ever existed, and yet in the end you all still play it anywhere.

[Kornman00]

Obvously they're going to make RvB canon. What else could they justify MP with?

[t3h m00kz]

"Oh look a better debut for a game!...Oh god shit looks ugly this whole game is ugly this is a flop fuck [insert developer] and their shit they're doing everything wrong omg I know so much more than them."

...What the fuck am I reading in this thread? Mighty fucking Moses have some bloody patience and wait for more gameplay and information before you go spitting out all this bullshit "critique." It seems like this forum hates every new damn game that ever existed, and yet in the end you all still play it anywhere.

fingers are clipping ever-so-slightly in the fp animations and it really bothers me


Obvously they're going to make RvB canon. What else could they justify MP with?

300-style natural selection bro

[Warsaw]

Fact: your first fact isn't a fact


Fact: your second fact is a fact, but not necessarily a bad thing

I don't know about the third thing :P

First one is a fact. Reach threw what WAS canon out the window, and the Forerunner books made it worse.

Second one is bad, because they can change the art style without detail for the sake of detail. I like the profile on the new stuff, I don't like the detail. Actually, the Chief's helmet bothers me because it's so blocky, but...I've seen worse.

Also, the worst part about Halo 4:

It's for the Xbox 360.

[Hotrod]

First one is a fact. Reach threw what WAS canon out the window, and the Forerunner books made it worse.

Second one is bad, because they can change the art style without detail for the sake of detail. I like the profile on the new stuff, I don't like the detail. Actually, the Chief's helmet bothers me because it's so blocky, but...I've seen worse.

Also, the worst part about Halo 4:

It's for the Xbox 360.
Well what else would they make it for?

[Warsaw]

PC?

My comment about the 360 is because the hardware will undoubtedly hamper their ability to make it shine visually. If Bungie couldn't do it, I don't have much faith in 343i unless they are licensing CryEngine3 or something similar. I sincerely doubt that the Chief will look that good in the finished product.

[Timo]

Is someone able to re-post the images Bob did on the previous page? They've gone down due to excessive bandwidth use.

e: Looks pretty interesting, i'll probably just end up hiring it out. I still need to get around to playing Halo Anniversary too :x

[jcap]

They should also just give in and put it on PS3 as well. Halo is a cash cow, but I don't think any future Halo games are going to be as hyped and sell as well as Halo 2 and 3.

[rossmum]

"Oh look a better debut for a game!...Oh god shit looks ugly this whole game is ugly this is a flop fuck [insert developer] and their shit they're doing everything wrong omg I know so much more than them."

...What the fuck am I reading in this thread? Mighty fucking Moses have some bloody patience and wait for more gameplay and information before you go spitting out all this bullshit "critique." It seems like this forum hates every new damn game that ever existed, and yet in the end you all still play it anywhere.
Yes how dare anybody state perfectly valid concerns about an upcoming game

[Timo]

They should also just give in and put it on PS3 as well. Halo is a cash cow, but I don't think any future Halo games are going to be as hyped and sell as well as Halo 2 and 3.

Isn't 343i underneath Microsoft?

[Hotrod]

PC?

My comment about the 360 is because the hardware will undoubtedly hamper their ability to make it shine visually. If Bungie couldn't do it, I don't have much faith in 343i unless they are licensing CryEngine3 or something similar. I sincerely doubt that the Chief will look that good in the finished product.
Having Halo 4 on PC would take away from the Xbox's sales/attention, Microsoft would never do that.

[Warsaw]

Of course it would. But they could have also held off until the next Xbox was ready and used Halo 4 as a launch title.

[jcap]

Isn't 343i underneath Microsoft?
Yes.

Having Halo 4 on PC would take away from the Xbox's sales/attention, Microsoft would never do that.
And this is what I don't understand. The Xbox 360 is approaching EOL. Anyone who wants an Xbox 360 for Halo already has one. They would have bought it for any of the past 3 games that came out for the console. They aren't going to make any significant number of console sales by making it Xbox only. However, they are shutting out the PS3 and PC owners who either have an Xbox and refuse to pay for multiplayer, or have no intention of ever buying an Xbox. Look at Call of Duty sales...the game is multiplatform and it's crushing all exclusive game sale records. Also, the money is in the actual sale of games, not the hardware. The whole concept of exclusive games, especially on OLD HARDWARE, and even more-so when you are COMPETING WITH OTHER SERIES, is FUCKING STUPID.

[TVTyrant]

Yes.

And this is what I don't understand. The Xbox 360 is approaching EOL. Anyone who wants an Xbox 360 for Halo already has one. They would have bought it for any of the past 3 games that came out for the console. They aren't going to make any significant number of console sales by making it Xbox only. However, they are shutting out the PS3 and PC owners who either have an Xbox and refuse to pay for multiplayer, or have no intention of ever buying an Xbox. Look at Call of Duty sales...the game is multiplatform and it's crushing all exclusive game sale records. Also, the money is in the actual sale of games, not the hardware. The whole concept of exclusive games, especially on OLD HARDWARE, and even more-so when you are COMPETING WITH OTHER SERIES, is FUCKING STUPID.
This times about a million. I like where the game is going. But I don't like this whole huge fucking idea that exclusive games still matter. I am the type who will buy whatever console comes out at the lowest price next generation. No. Matter. What. Other than Halo, I only play console games that are multiplatform like Skyrim, Batman, NCAA Football (cuz fuck Madden, its shit), and... Thats really it. FPS games suck fucking dick on consoles. Playing an FPS on PC is where its at. All I care about going forward is pricing.

[BobtheGreatII]

I think it's fair to say that Halo will never ever ever show up on the PS3. Microsoft would never let it.

[TVTyrant]

I think it's fair to say that Halo will never ever ever show up on the PS3. Microsoft would never let it.
Especially since the PS3 is their only serious competition. The Wii may have sold better, but I would say that everyone over 12 and under 40 doesn't give two shits about it.

[nuttyyayap]

I personally think we'll get a PC release, based simply on the apparent decline of console gaming.\
But it'll likely be GFWL with no editing kit.
And Mont Blanc is delicious.

[samnwck]

I wouldn't count on it, and if so it wouldn't surprise me if they just used it as a ploy to move windows 8 sales or something, assuming windows 8 is out by then. And as you said it will probably not have an editing kit, or at least a decent one. I'd rather have no pc port rather than have one that just let me down anyway.

[rossmum]

I personally think we'll get a PC release, based simply on the apparent decline of console gaming.
And Mont Blanc is delicious.
funny joke, i know which branch of gaming i would have pegged as 'in decline'

Light Fuse, Run Away

[TVTyrant]

funny joke, i know which branch of gaming i would have pegged as 'in decline'

Light Fuse, Run Away
rofl, seriously. The thing is though, you can buy a SexBox for 300 bucks and get a machine that has all of the games the PC has and more. Sports genres aren't very PC friendly, and while I like FPSing on PC better there is just as big of a community on XBox. Again, if Sony has a cheaper machine I will buy that though. I don't have the cash to spend 2000 on a super gaming PC.

[Kornman00]

Seeing as how they've just built off the Reach engine, I don't see it being too difficult for them to bring the game to the PC as well. Bungie already has to have partial PC support in the engine for the tools, so it's already a 1/4 of the way there.

With all this 'rawr, new shit, rawr, new music, rawr, new story, rawr, rawr', it'd be pretty fucking stupid for them to limit themselves to just the 360. They have the resources, put it on the PC as well.

[samnwck]

I would probably get it for pc unless the port was just awful. And assuming it also had an editing kit, otherwise I'll be getting it for the platform it was originally made for.

[p0lar_bear]

It's an XBox 360 title and they want to "do more." *laugh*

Also, why would you want to rationalize multiplayer deathmatch? The whole point behind it is that it's a branch off and makes no sense, the only people that care about multiplayer's place in the universe are the people who care far too much about lore and the folks like RvB who point it out just for the sake of lampshade hanging (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging). It's about shooting people in the face repeatedly, not a blockbuster riveting tale.

[Zeph]

Having Halo 4 on PC would take away from the Xbox's sales/attention, Microsoft would never do that.

Oh, so the likely announcement of the future MS console that will happen before this game launches wont take away from the 360?

[Hotrod]

Of course it would. But they could have also held off until the next Xbox was ready and used Halo 4 as a launch title.
That would also decrease sales by a fuckton. I can't be the only one out there who can't afford to buy the new Xbox at 400$-500$ as well as Halo 4 for 60$ (assuming I don't get a Limited Edition, which I would want to). By the time I and any other university/college/non-rich student/person finally buys the console, the game would be well past its prime and would have been robbed of a very large amount of sales.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want it on PC (although console is where Halo has always been for me, asides from Halo PC/CE), but I completely understand why they're not doing so.


Oh, so the likely announcement of the future MS console that will happen before this game launches wont take away from the 360?
Not when it comes to Halo 4, no. Having Halo 4 on the 360 gives Microsoft more game sales for its baby, and most people who want a 360 have one already anyway. The problem with having it on both the 360 and PC is requiring to maintain both at the same time, while it would be much simpler and time saving to only have one.

In plus, most people would buy it on the 360 anyway, wanting to stick with what they know and love, and the PC port wouldn't be as big of a success and they would want it to be.

[Bobblehob]

Yes how dare anybody state perfectly valid concerns about an upcoming game

Because so little information has been released that those "perfectly valid concerns" are little more than wild speculation for the most part.

[DarkHalo003]

Console-Exclusive games like Halo are what keep the Console in the market. That's the primary reason why Microsoft has not put Halo back onto the PC since H2V (arguably considering the hooplah with H2V); Halo fans will have to buy a console to enjoy the most recent Halo games.

[Tnnaas]

Oh look. They still use cubemaps. 343i, where's my real-time reflections!? :maddowns:

http://h9.abload.de/img/gif5tvzjs.gif

Underneath the armor: Aligator skin or bubble wrap?

[Masterz1337]

I gotta say, I thought this game would be far worse. Glad it's not totally following in reach's footsteps.

[samnwck]

Underneath the armor: Aligator skin or bubble wrap?

Neither, the suit is actually flat, just the injections they give the Spartan IV's give mad acne.

[t3h m00kz]

Yes how dare anybody state perfectly valid concerns about an upcoming game

might matter if you took it to a forum where the devs and the rest of the community might actually see it

until then it's pointless nit-pickery in a corner of the internet that will have no impact on anything

[Amit]

might matter if you took it to a forum where the devs and the rest of the community might actually see it

until then it's pointless nit-pickery in a corner of the internet that will have no impact on anything

Might as well just lock the thread and wait for release, then. It might do us all some good.

[Kornman00]

"I've responded to it a couple of times. There aren't "perks" in the game as being described here. And classic Halo is still there. But there are things we will be rolling out soon to put all of this discussion in a much better perspective and I suspect calm frayed nerves." - Frank (link (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35756374&postcount=1032))

"We didn't mention them. That's why I put it in quotes. That term was coined by someone else to interpret stuff they saw in the UI. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and to be expected during announce fervor. And yes, it's partly our fault since we re rolling out more information about this stuff at a later time. " - Frank (link (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35757621&postcount=1081))

http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1129698

[nuttyyayap]

Thank FUCKING god. :downs:

[Bodzilla]

rofl, seriously. The thing is though, you can buy a SexBox for 300 bucks and get a machine that has all of the games the PC has and more. Sports genres aren't very PC friendly, and while I like FPSing on PC better there is just as big of a community on XBox. Again, if Sony has a cheaper machine I will buy that though. I don't have the cash to spend 2000 on a super gaming PC.
steam outsells every console combined, so i dont know where your getting this big community on xbox thing

also you dont need to spend 2000 to get a good computer that shits over anything the consoles have.
re-use screens, keyboards DVD drives, mice, case's power supplys harddrives ect and you save your self a ton. Thats what i did.
the only things that really need to be upgraded to make a computer a decent gaming computer is CPU, ram GPU and a motherboard that supports them.

[Cortexian]

Honestly, I haven't been impressed by any of this Halo 4 buisness yet to care.

Announce a PC version and I might start giving a fuck. All the games since Halo 3 have been pretty terrible IMO.

[DarkHalo003]

If they made Halo 4 for PC I would love 343i forever. Just saying - Halo 1 netcode = very :(

[Warsaw]

Halo 1's netcode makes me giggle...so many badkids who can't figure it out.


steam outsells every console combined, so i dont know where your getting this big community on xbox thing

also you dont need to spend 2000 to get a good computer that shits over anything the consoles have.
re-use screens, keyboards DVD drives, mice, case's power supplys harddrives ect and you save your self a ton. Thats what i did.
the only things that really need to be upgraded to make a computer a decent gaming computer is CPU, ram GPU and a motherboard that supports them.

This. While I did just spend $3000 on a new rig, the truth is you can build one that is pretty fantastic for ~$500 if you scrounge. That's $200 for a machine better than any console and that can do more than any console.

[DarkHalo003]

Halo 1's netcode makes me giggle...so many badkids who can't figure it out.



This. While I did just spend $3000 on a new rig, the truth is you can build one that is pretty fantastic for ~$500 if you scrounge. That's $200 for a machine better than any console and that can do more than any console.
Oh no, it's not that I didn't figure it out, it's that there is SO much more I'd rather do that it simply can't.

[Warsaw]

Not saying you didn't figure it out. Also, the one thing I want out of it that it can't do is online co-op.

[TVTyrant]

steam outsells every console combined, so i dont know where your getting this big community on xbox thing

also you dont need to spend 2000 to get a good computer that shits over anything the consoles have.
re-use screens, keyboards DVD drives, mice, case's power supplys harddrives ect and you save your self a ton. Thats what i did.
the only things that really need to be upgraded to make a computer a decent gaming computer is CPU, ram GPU and a motherboard that supports them.
Eh. Thats fair about the community thing, but :effort: about the other part. Its less expensive than it sometimes seems, but at the same time I don't have most of those things to scrounge in the first place. All the machines we have are laptops, and with a lack of funding (I only work in the summer) it makes that even harder. I payed 250 for my XBox, and I have never had any problems with it. I do think shooters are much more fun on the PC, but its tough when you don't have a good one and all of your funding goes elsewhere.

[Warsaw]

Well, you can at least scrounge hard drives from a laptop...

[DarkHalo003]

http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/03/08/The-Halo-Bulletin-30712.aspx

Nice stuff in this Bulletin.

[Kornman00]

http://halo.bungie.org/halobulletins/40

Some things that stood out to me:


The HUD shown in the gameplay clips lacks a health bar. Will this change, has this changed, or will Halo 4 use the same health system as the one in Halo 2 and 3? -Gravemind
Health has been changed. There are no health pickups, but we'll have more news on how that system works in gameplay at a later date.


What will the ranking system be like? -xMcCarthee
It will be altered. More news later.


In the new footage we see the game type set as Slayer yet the score goes up not by individual kills but by points. Is this a custom game? A new Slayer variant? Or is this how the default Slayer scoring is going to be? -zNiTeY
The footage of MP you saw is taken from our internal Network test build and actually features a mashup of various game styles and UI elements, so don't spend too much time trying to figure out what's happening in it, because outside of surface elements, it's not going to teach you a lot about any particular game mode. However, our new implementation of Slayer will score differently than the traditional 0-50 method of yore, and is one of 100 things we'll share with you more deeply in the coming months.


Will there be any Covenant presence in Campaign or Multiplayer? Be it weaponry, equipment, architecture, etc. -Lloyd Jo en es
Yes. The Covenant will definitely return, albeit in a completely (graphically, politically and sonically) overhauled form, but they may be the least of your problems.



Does the BR have spread? Is it hitscan? -xBrutaIity
The BR is a three-shot burst weapon. It is hitscan. In its current tuning, it has recoil (not bloom) which causes it to rise slightly (in a predictable and suppressible way). It is not a replacement for the DMR as has been discussed in the community. You will not see bloom as it currently exists in Vanilla Reach on any weapon, but there will be different methods for reticle targeting that vary depending on the weapon, and players will have a wide arsenal of weapons to choose from. More news about that later.


Is Jen Taylor voicing Cortana? Who were the woman and man in the motion capture part of the Halo 4 video? -Jedi Otter
The man and woman in the video were incredibly talented actors. Their roles in Halo 4 are pivotal and essential to the story we're telling, but we'll talk more about those and other actors in the future. I think Halo fans will be calm and happy about our casting, including MP V/O, but we're not revealing more at this time.




"The Covenant will definitely return...sonically) overhauled form". We can has babelfish again? Fuck that Reach shit, I like to hear my grunts freak out in english.

"including MP V/O". I hope that means they've kept with JS for VOG.

e: go away DH, no one wants that waypoint crap. HBO archive FTW!

[DarkHalo003]

http://halo.bungie.org/halobulletins/40

Some things that stood out to me:

"The Covenant will definitely return...sonically) overhauled form". We can has babelfish again? Fuck that Reach shit, I like to hear my grunts freak out in english.

"including MP V/O". I hope that means they've kept with JS for VOG.

e: go away DH, no one wants that waypoint crap. HBO archive FTW!
:gonk:

[=sw=warlord]

Jen stayed with Bungie as I recall.
I think the explicit avoidance of saying whether Jen would voice Cortana was a sign that Jen won't be involved.

[Bobblehob]

o.o

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[nuttyyayap]

L2 shot tags

[Kornman00]

343i put mustard turd skid marks on their BR

[Bobblehob]

L2 shot tags

And?

[BobtheGreatII]

Does anyone else really really really not like the new Battle Rifle? It looks like it's what would have been in Reach if the BR had made it to Reach.

[Cortexian]

Does anyone else really really really not like the new Battle Rifle? It looks like it's what would have been in Reach if the BR had made it to Reach.
I really really really do not like the new Battle Rifle.

(The only good one was in Halo 2).

[Bobblehob]

Does anyone else really really really not like the new Battle Rifle? It looks like it's what would have been in Reach if the BR had made it to Reach.

Except it looks almost nothing like the DMR, or any other Reach weapon, excluding the yellow stripe

[Timo]

I like the nice smooth metal grip at the front

[PlasbianX]

In all honesty. It looks like one of Warsaw's concepts for FoF back in the Halo2CE days. No joke.

[DarkHalo003]

Jen stayed with Bungie as I recall.
I think the explicit avoidance of saying whether Jen would voice Cortana was a sign that Jen won't be involved.
Voice actors tend to not have any particular loyalty to a company though. I seriously doubt she wouldn't voice Cortana.

[Hotrod]

Yeah, not to mention that she's done other voices outside of Bungie, such as Zoey in Left4Dead. Not having Jen Tayor and Steve Downes do Cortana and the John (especially since Cortana has done other Halo 4 related stuff already, such as the Warthog in Forza) would be extremely stupid of them.

Also, I love the look of the new BR. The blue could be darker, but asides from that it looks great.

[DarkHalo003]

Yeah, not to mention that she's done other voices outside of Bungie, such as Zoey in Left4Dead. Not having Jen Tayor and Steve Downes do Cortana and the John (especially since Cortana has done other Halo 4 related stuff already) would be extremely stupid of them.

Also, I love the look of the new BR. The blue could be darker, but asides from that it looks great.
Agreed, but my biggest issue is with the practicality of the yellow stripe: why would the BR have it in the first place? Shouldn't it not have bright colors for stealth purposes?

[=sw=warlord]

Agreed, but my biggest issue is with the practicality of the yellow stripe: why would the BR have it in the first place? Shouldn't it not have bright colors for stealth purposes?
NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN.
It was bad enough with CMT and the yellow strip on the assault rifle.

[DarkHalo003]

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN.
It was bad enough with CMT and the yellow strip on the assault rifle.
It doesn't ruin anything for me, just a curiosity. If it's simply because it's for an aesthetic purpose only, then alright.

[Bobblehob]

Agreed, but my biggest issue is with the practicality of the yellow stripe: why would the BR have it in the first place? Shouldn't it not have bright colors for stealth purposes?

>See CMT AR yellow stripe shitstorm xP Also, watch out for Kornman, mention yellow stripes on guns and he will show up, stick his head up your ass and start ranting.

[TVTyrant]

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN.
It was bad enough with CMT and the yellow strip on the assault rifle.
.

[DarkHalo003]

>See CMT AR yellow stripe shitstorm xP Also, watch out for Kornman, mention yellow stripes on guns and he will show up, stick his head up your ass and start ranting.
Too late, a page back:


343i put mustard turd skid marks on their BR

Tis what actually got me to talk about the yellow strip.

[Kornman00]

>See CMT AR yellow stripe shitstorm xP Also, watch out for Kornman, mention yellow stripes on guns and he will show up, stick his head up your ass and start ranting.
I don't wait for babies, I make 'em:

343i put mustard turd skid marks on their BR

Also, any one who :downs: the yellow strip has a vagina, so if I'm going to stick any heads in any holes, it's going to be there.

There are some things which an artistic license is void with. Using lolcolors on human-rifles is one of them.

e: People get to bitch about shit like armor lock, so I get to bitch about nonsense like using diarrhea to paint decals on weapons in Halo.

[PopeAK49]

I don't wait for babies, I make 'em:


Also, any one who :downs: the yellow strip has a vagina, so if I'm going to stick any heads in any holes, it's going to be there.

There are some things which an artistic license is void with. Using lolcolors on human-rifles is one of them.

e: People get to bitch about shit like armor lock, so I get to bitch about nonsense like using diarrhea to paint decals on weapons in Halo.

http://kornnersoftware.com/images/boner.png

[TVTyrant]

yah yah yah yah yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[BobtheGreatII]

Can I Halo 4?

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2191/canihalo4.jpg

:v:

[Cortexian]

If you're going to model that, move the scope forward about three rail-notches so it's in the right location for proper sighting.

[Hotrod]

The yellow stripe is there for aesthetic purposes only, and are most likely going to stay no matter how much everybody bitches about it.

/subject

Also, am I the only one who thinks the scope should be a tad longer?

[Kornman00]

Optics have come a long way in 500+ years vOv

[DarkHalo003]

Can I Halo 4?

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2191/canihalo4.jpg

:v:
Tsk. It was only a matter of time I suppose. Still, I actually like this BR aesthetically, so put it in CE.

[TVTyrant]

Tsk. It was only a matter of time I suppose. Still, I actually like this BR aesthetically, so put it in CE.
Prepare to be yelled at :P

[Cortexian]

It's just a bullpup G36, idk what's so awesome about that.

And you have to remember, future-optics can be small and still provide outstanding magnification!

[Bobblehob]

Tsk. It was only a matter of time I suppose. Still, I actually like this BR aesthetically, so put it in CE.


HHOW DARRREEE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUITZGOT TEH YALLOW SHIT STRIPE ON IT AND ITS GREEBLED ABD BAD AND AWFUL AND SHITTY AND HALO4ISMOSTTURRIBLE HALOZ EVAR

[PopeAK49]

HHOW DARRREEE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUITZGOT TEH YALLOW SHIT STRIPE ON IT AND ITS GREEBLED ABD BAD AND AWFUL AND SHITTY AND HALO4ISMOSTTURRIBLE HALOZ EVAR

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkhxtpEH2a1qeq0mdo1_500.jpg

[TVTyrant]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4Mgdy5WntGY/TGun08xNWjI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/UuogxnVSFKk/s1600/squidward.jpg

[BobtheGreatII]

I'm more or less not worried about the stripe on the texture. However the scratches make it look like someone put it on cement and drug it across the ground.

[Kornman00]

I'm more or less not worried about the stripe on the texture. However the scratches make it look like someone put it on cement and drug it across the ground.
Didn't you read? It weighs so much that, unless you're a Spartan, you'll be doing just that: dragging it across the ground. Mus-turd paint weighs as much as a Nibbler nugget in the future. True story, thank the Forerunners, they wanted to keep that ugly shit from ever leaving the god awful sources they originate from #ForerunnerPhysics.

[BobtheGreatII]

I lol'd

[Sanctus]

I just watched the Rewind Theatre for the new trailer. Chief's armor disgusts me. Also why does Chief's waist look like Paris Hilton's??? WTF 343?

[Zeph]

Probably because no one up until Reach took into consideration that there are big muscly people underneath the thick armor which has to sit on top of said big armor.

:realism:

[Sanctus]

You're confusing "skinny" with "disproportionate". The sheer mass of his armor isn't what I'm talking about, I get what you're saying about pieces sitting atop one another, but at the same time 343i doesn't have to fall back on that mentality where ungodly skinny waists are appealing. Bioware did the same damn thing with Ashley Williams in Mass Effect 3

[Bobblehob]

Bro, I don't understand what you are talking about, his waist isn't disproportionate. The only difference in size from old is the fact that there is no armor on the sides, around his hips and below his ribcage, look at that next to an anatomical drawing and the shape under the armor is quite proportional.

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Check out this picture, if you look, his proportions are the same as those of the H3 Master Chief, but because the groin piece doesn't wrap around he looks skinnier.

[Amit]

Obama did it.

[Hotrod]

Yeah, the only difference I see in the size of his thighs is the fact that there's no armour covering them, making them seem thinner without actually doing so.

[DarkHalo003]

It's just a bullpup G36, idk what's so awesome about that.

And you have to remember, future-optics can be small and still provide outstanding magnification!
I like the aesthetic of the G36, so it would make sense for me at least.

[Pooky]

Oh god, that's the first I've seen of that armor. It looks retarded.

[TVTyrant]

Oh god, that's the first I've seen of that armor. It looks retarded.
this. The joints look fucking awful

[mech]

Lol, he's got lady feet.

[Kornman00]

H4 helmet is retarded. If this wasn't a sequel, maybe I would accept the helmet, but I also wouldn't already have a preexisting connection/knowledge with John 117 and his two previous armor iterations. So I wouldn't care so much. But it is a sequel and it looks like shit.

[Bobblehob]

Such a bunch of negative nancys :3

[TVTyrant]

El gato, el gato...

[Kornman00]

Jen stayed with Bungie as I recall.
I think the explicit avoidance of saying whether Jen would voice Cortana was a sign that Jen won't be involved.

Voice actors tend to not have any particular loyalty to a company though. I seriously doubt she wouldn't voice Cortana.

Just came across the following post on HBO (http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1130075) which suggests (and has backing support) Jen won't be the babe behind Cortana's voice and facials...:-3

[Timo]

It's going to be damn strange if Cortana's voice changes.

[nuttyyayap]

So the somewhat annoying female voice I ignore will be played by someone else? I might or might not approve.

[PlasbianX]

I'd love to see Kaori Mizuhashi voice acting as Cortana :realsmug:

[nuttyyayap]

^^Nah, fuck that.
Lydia Mackay or Tiffany Grant FTW.

[t3h m00kz]

or Lady Gaga

[TVTyrant]

or Lady Gaga
More like lady Kaka

[Hotrod]

More like lady Kaka
That's still an understatement when it comes to her...err... "music".

[TVTyrant]

That's still an understatement when it comes to her...err... "music".
Or her err... Person as a whole.

[Amit]

*Walks into thread and sees talk of Lady Gayga*

*Walks out*

[DarkHalo003]

Just came across the following post on HBO (http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=1130075) which suggests (and has backing support) Jen won't be the babe behind Cortana's voice and facials...:-3
Hmmm, I'm okay with this, mainly because I find her attractive. We shall see in the end.

[Hotrod]

I thought it only meant that she was going to be the one off whom they're basing the model of Cortana, and not the voice itself. In plus, wasn't it confirmed at Halofest that Jen Taylor was returning?

[DarkHalo003]

I thought it only meant that she was going to be the one off whom they're basing the model of Cortana, and not the voice itself. In plus, wasn't it confirmed at Halofest that Jen Taylor was returning?
This too I guess.lol. I could have sworn she was returning too, but you know how shit gets over time.

[Tnnaas]

I'm not sure how to react to any of this. I think I'll wait until an official report from Frank O'Connor (or perhaps some ending credits) before mulling it over in my mind. I'm just dissapointed that we don't have Angela Bassett on board for Halo 4 (http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/Audio/Outtakes/Johnson/sgt_johnson.mp3).

Additionally: I hope the Spartan IVs are going to be pretty damn cool.
Because they're just a bunch of regular grunts, rather than some underaged mutated children.

[Kornman00]

MS got Bungie to kill off Johnson in H3 so they wouldn't have to pay to get her to be in the game.

Also, haters gonna hate Lady Gaga.

Also, Jen may still be the voice of Dr. H.

[t3h m00kz]

Also, haters gonna hate Lady Gaga.


Bitches can't read my poker face.

[EX12693]

Are you in a bad romance?

[Kornman00]

Depends, you wanna take a ride on my disco stick?

[TVTyrant]

Depends, you wanna take a ride on my disco stick?
http://kornnersoftware.com/images/boner.png

[Tnnaas]

Bitches can't read my poker face.

Are you in a bad romance?

Depends, you wanna take a ride on my disco stick?

This entire thread.

EDIT: If the Didact, the Librarian, and/or Mendicant Bias shows up, I will faithfully announce "Called it."

[DarkHalo003]

This entire thread.

EDIT: If the Didact, the Librarian, and/or Mendicant Bias shows up, I will faithfully announce "Called it."
You can probably be certain at least one of them will show, but I'm betting it's Mendicant Bias. I really can't wait for this game.

[Tnnaas]

I'll throw up a few :woops: around if all three do show up.

[=sw=warlord]

Wouldn't surprise me if Didact turns out to be the "great evil".
Guilty sparks comment about his anger kind of gave it away.

[Hotrod]

Don't forget that the Terminals talked a lot about the Flood, and Spark even directly called them the "Ancient Enemy".

[TeeKup]

If they bring back the Diadact and he needs to be better than that horrible excuse of one we got in Cryptum.

[DarkHalo003]

If they bring back the Diadact and he needs to be better than that horrible excuse of one we got in Cryptum.
Lol, the Didact will be assmad in Halo 4 because of what Greg Bear did to his past. :P

[Ki11a_FTW]

I dont think anyone will ever have the excitement that was built up for the release of Halo 2.

[Tnnaas]

Maybe it's a marketing scheme by Microsoft. Release no details about the game, let the fans trip over each other with assmad comments, and piss off the intelligent people with the Forerunner Saga so that by the time the game is released, there are no expectations and 343i could blow the doors open and make the community experience a world-wide orgasm and make millions of sales. :tinfoil:

But probably not.

[DarkHalo003]

Watch Halo 4 be the best game ever.

[TVTyrant]

Watch Halo 4 be the best game ever.
This lol. Would be cool but unlikely.

[Hotrod]

I'm sure the game will still be good though.

[Warsaw]

It will be above average just like the last three were, but I'm not holding my breath for "OMG THIS GAME IS AMAZING."

[El Lobo]

I dont think anyone will ever have the excitement that was built up for the release of Halo 2.

Halo 2's release was huge. It was at the right time where gaming was becoming more main stream, and it was just everywhere.

[Kornman00]

Yeah, XBL was still in its infancy at the time. So having a game made with true XBL support was a pretty big deal at the time.

Hope this game has spotting like in BF. Both in MP and campaign. I mean shit, you're 500 years into the future and have an actual HUD, so why not!?

[Pyong Kawaguchi]

I loved halo 2 on xbl.

[JackalStomper]

I loved halo 2 on xbl


Until the standbys, modding, superbouncing, ghosting, clipping, and banshee's ruined it.

[Kornman00]

http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/microsoft/343industries/halo4/cov_229_l.jpg
The only thing Cortana about that "Cortana" is her chest.

[EX12693]

http://kornnersoftware.com/images/boner.png

[BobtheGreatII]

I'll wait to see the model to judge. Considering Cortana looked like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X1IWXuEbgXI/TT6cGydJMdI/AAAAAAAADAw/U903jZfCKLE/s640/masteer_chief_cortana_concept_art_halo_Isaac_Hanna ford.jpg

In other drawings.... so We'll see how it comes out I guess.

[Ifafudafi]

Cortana's changed a buttload in every single game

http://msvalentine-cosplay.weebly.com/uploads/2/6/5/3/2653345/5206674.jpg http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu304/Kal-El676/CORTANA.jpg?t=1247612079 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Cortana_h3.png

The hair/lipstick is pretty excessive though

anyway, eagerly awaiting "oh and it's on PC w/ mod tools!!" not being said

[TVTyrant]

I like the one Bob posted. Really cool and makes it look like a virgin Mary reference

Owai-

[Hotrod]

I'm liking the look of the new Assault Rifle : http://www.gameinformer.com/p/halo4.aspx

[Higuy]

At least the Cortana's in 1-3 still had a vague similar facial structure in each game, this new one seems almost Asian in a way.

[Amit]

I'm liking the look of the new Assault Rifle : http://www.gameinformer.com/p/halo4.aspx

Looks nice. So why did they butcher the BR?!!!

[MXC]

Looks nice. So why did they butcher the BR?!!!

They really really really wanted to get on Ross's nerves.

[nuttyyayap]

Hey, would you look at that!
The Assault Rifle actually fucking resembles the Halo 1 version! :downs:

[Bobblehob]

Oh no, they made cortana look different... how could they /sarcasm ... come on guys, the only real visible differences are the color and length of the hair, are you expecting a clone of H3? Everything they have shown so far has been changed a fair amount :P

[Hotrod]

Looks nice. So why did they butcher the BR?!!!
I actually really like the look of the new BR...

[Bobblehob]

I actually really like the look of the new BR...

Ho shit, watch out man, liking the H4 BR is a sin on this forum :P I personally agree with you though.

[Hotrod]

Ho shit, watch out man, liking the H4 BR is a sin on this forum :P I personally agree with you though.
I know it is, which is why I said it! Let's see how long it takes for me to get banned...

[t3h m00kz]

BAN HOTROD FOR HAVING AN OPINION

[TVTyrant]

BAN HOTROD FOR HAVING AN OPINION
RAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ASSMAD INCOMING!!!!!

[Hotrod]

BAN HOTROD FOR HAVING AN OPINION
YEAH!!! LET'S BAN THAT KID!!!

[neuro]

i'm pretty much 99.7% sure that's not even CLOSE to the 'final' version of the h4 masterchief.

unless it's going to be an x360 game

[BobtheGreatII]

It is an Xbox 360 game? So...

[neuro]

ok

[samnwck]

I personally like the look, but as Bob said earlier, concept art rarely shows the true story, either way I'm sure she'll still look like Cortana.

[DarkHalo003]

Yeah, MS revoked revealing the newer generation console this year, probably because of the assmad from the customers saying they want backwards compatability with the new console and the 360. Which they should.

[=sw=warlord]

Yeah, MS revoked revealing the newer generation console this year, probably because of the assmad from the customers saying they want backwards compatability with the new console and the 360. Which they should.
Or they can ditch backwards compatibility and not bother with spending resources on making emulators which aren't guaranteed to work with every title.
Ditching backwards compatibility would allow said resources to be used on something more useful, like say reliability?

[Amit]

:sadface:

[DarkHalo003]

Or they can ditch backwards compatibility and not bother with spending resources on making emulators which aren't guaranteed to work with every title.
Ditching backwards compatibility would allow said resources to be used on something more useful, like say reliability?
Or they can invest resources to make it work flawlessly (for the most part). :)

[nuttyyayap]

Dark,
We're talking about MICROSOFT here.
"Working flawlessly" isn't in their vocabulary.

[DarkHalo003]

Dark,
We're talking about MICROSOFT here.
"Working flawlessly" isn't in their vocabulary.
Heheh, which is why I put mostly in parenthesis. :downs:

[=sw=warlord]

Or they can invest resources to make it work flawlessly (for the most part). :)
You mean like Windows 8?

[Hotrod]

Holy shit... Those Elites... They look fucking amazing.

[DarkHalo003]

Good Lord. I can't wait for this much longer. Those look fantastic. And those Elite claws make my skin crawl with terror.

[BobtheGreatII]

Well... Huh... It's different. But kind of in a good way. I'm digging Cortana... she actually is showing some emotion, this could be interesting.

Also is that a DMR? The assault Rifle looks uh... well pretty much the same... kind of. I only mean it's same in the sense that it didn't radically change like the BR did.

[TeeKup]

Good lord those Elites. o_0 Much more reptilian, I like it.

[TVTyrant]

Good lord those Elites. o_0 Much more reptilian, I like it.
That was my thought too

The description of the weapons makes my dick rock hard. I really want this game now.

[Hotrod]

After reading the article, I gotta say I'm really looking forward to this game. Sure, it's different from past Halos by adding some CoD-esque elements in there, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Halo needs to evolve, and it seems to be doing so in a great way.

Also, the official Halo 4 forums on Halo Waypoint are full of crying babies right now, a rather funny sight to see.

[TeeKup]

What are they bitching about?

[Hotrod]

Oh, everything. They don't like how you can join mid-game, or how you can respawn instantly. They also don't like how 343i didn't remove armour abilities (though armour lock is gone), even though we have no idea how they'll work this time around. They also hate how Firefight has evolved into Spartan Ops, something more evolved and interesting.

In short, they're complaining that Halo 4 isn't Halo 3.

[Pooky]

After reading the article, I gotta say I'm really looking forward to this game. Sure, it's different from past Halos by adding some CoD-esque elements in there, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Halo needs to evolve, and it seems to be doing so in a great way.

Yeah, that's what we need. All the mainstream shooters to merge into one entity :\

Well, despite this looking like Call of Halo I do like the art direction they're taking and it would be pretty hard to be worse than Reach. Optimism level is raised to Minimal from Nonexistent.

[Timo]

Is anyone else getting prompted for a password for the last two images?

[Amit]

Is anyone else getting prompted for a password for the last two images?

Yeah, so I fixed the url: removed the "?action=view&current="

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They once again pull a 180 on us for what Cortana looks like.

[DarkHalo003]

I'm positive they're requiring that armor abilities be picked up like the active camo or overshield was picked up in Halo 1 or Halo 2, or maybe even like equipment in Halo 3.

Also, no more Elites in multiplayer. :(

Oh well, at least there's a lot I approve of. The only thing I'm slightly skeptical about is the instant respawn, but I really am liking the idea of it simply because I love playing Halo. I'm also excited that power weapons are on some maps distributed via random drop pods rather than spawn points.

And that AR gives me a "Ima Placeholder" vibe, mainly from the shaders and how the model looks onyl slightly modified from the Halo 3 one.

[Kornman00]

Skeptical of Spartan Ops, will hold off on the bitching or excitement until there's more info. The fact that they're giving MP a name (Infinity) smells of either an activation code or some "pay more and get more" program.

Raised an eyebrow when they said elites were no mas in MP (farewell dinos :saddowns: ). Though, it's to be expected of the developer who is hardcore about every aspect of the game aligning with the story. In fact, it's starting to feel like we're getting the exact polar opposite developer from Bungie with 343i. Whether this is good for Halo or not remains to be seen.

[Bobblehob]

Hmm, not so much liking the whole level up weapon unlock, BF3 MW3 ish vibe, that was one thing I always liked about Halo was everyone having access to all weapons at all times, instead of punishing those who play less and rewarding those who play more. Atleast the power weapons aren't available to be unlocked. That being said, I'm still quite optimistic about the game, especially with the new art design and new company behind it :)

Wait...No elites in multiplayer!? >: ( Damn you 343...

[t3h m00kz]

>access to weapons at all time

Yeah, unless the fucking other team grabs it and whores it on you, which is more than likely to happen!

Leveling up is fine. The BF and COD franchises are fun, I don't see why it's a problem. If it's because they're "not being original," keep in mind every FPS ever is a rip off of Wolfenstein 3D!!

[Bobblehob]

>access to weapons at all time

Yeah, unless the fucking other team grabs it and whores it on you, which is more than likely to happen!

Leveling up is fine. The BF and COD franchises are fun, I don't see why it's a problem. If it's because they're "not being original," keep in mind every FPS ever is a rip off of Wolfenstein 3D!!

I know what you mean, I don't mind leveling up, but I don't like the idea of unlocking new weapons for loadouts as you level up, it pisses me off. Halo has always given every player the chance to use every weapon at any time and I don't think that should change.

[TeeKup]

"343 has no plans for a dedicated firefight mode."

Why? So Spartan Ops can replace it? But I like my firefight. >_>

[Kornman00]

Yeah, same here, but that's why I'm holding out on my :words: until I know more. For all we know, they're just renaming Firefight to Spartan Ops (essentially). It could be 343i is just trying to slap "343i" stickers on everything with Bungie out of the picture.

[Hotrod]

Here's a link to all the scans for those of you who are interested : http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/all-game-informer-scans/1284038?page=1

[ODX]

Thank god the assault rifle and whatever covenant weapon that Elite is holding (similar to a Carbine) aren't completely fucked up looking like the BR.

...but oh my god those better not be the final origins for the BR or someone is going to be slapped.

[Pooky]

keep in mind every FPS ever is a rip off of Wolfenstein 3D!!

Whether you were being sarcastic or not, that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen you say.

[t3h m00kz]

Half joking. Who the fuck gives a shit if something is a "rip off " as long as it's fun? Silent Hill to Resident Evil, Unreal to Quake.. Marathon to Doom.

[Pooky]

Half joking. Who the fuck gives a shit if something is a "rip off " as long as it's fun? Silent Hill to Resident Evil, Unreal to Quake.. Marathon to Doom.

Well, I don't if you were referring to me. All I was saying is that all the mainstream shooters right now seem to be getting rather homogenous. I mean, look at Marathon vs. Doom. They're similar only in that they're in first person and have guns. The style of art and gameplay are very different.

[t3h m00kz]

as are the styles gameplay in halo vs COD of BF!

[Pooky]

as are the styles gameplay in halo vs COD of BF!

I didn't say they weren't... \=

I said that they're getting closer and closer together. Look, Halo gets reticle bloom and loadouts and perks (armor abilities)... now it gets XP and leveling with weapon unlocks, etc.

Next year let's just merge them all into Battle-Halo of Duty

[t3h m00kz]

I really, really doubt halo will ever have iron sights, spartans with no shields, and trade their red reticule/auto aim system for something more similar to cod

[Pooky]

No shields is an irrelevant point since CoD has health regeneration already which is pretty much the same thing. The current auto aiming system is already pretty similar to CoD, the only difference being you don't lose accuracy while moving or gain it while crouching.

[t3h m00kz]

uhm, you do too gain accuracy while crouching in reach!!

I guess I didn't notice that cod had the hella red-ret auto-aim (and not magnetism) that Halo has!

I guess I didn't realize being able to take four bursts of a burst fire weapon to the head due to shields was the "same thing" as regenerating health!

[TVTyrant]

ITT: Mookz trues to argue with the most stubborn person on this forum

[DarkHalo003]

No shields is an irrelevant point since CoD has health regeneration already which is pretty much the same thing. The current auto aiming system is already pretty similar to CoD, the only difference being you don't lose accuracy while moving or gain it while crouching.
Shields are relevant because Halo started the regenerative health in a successful FPS. Shields also determine the effectiveness of commonplace weapons. Basically, you're arguing how CoD is similar to Halo because CoD (and most modern shooters) took a LOT of elements off of the original Halo for Xbox.

Halo 4 has to appeal to the large consensus of fans to be successful this go around. It was lucky with Reach to not slump too far down the shitter, but now it really has to do well (which I think it will).

I also feel a really epic vibe coming from a DMR vs. BR dual. Which super-powered commonplace ranged weapon will win out?

And I absolutely love the art style they took with this. Everything just looks so fresh and new. Still thinking the current MP maps lack aesthetic creativity in comparison to the maps found in Halo 3 and Halo Reach, though the mech in the middle of that one map adds a nice bit to it and the layout of the Forerunner map looks pretty well done. Either way, I am definitely looking for to this installment in the series.

[t3h m00kz]

ITT: Mookz trues to argue with the most stubborn person on this forum

:beer:

[TeeKup]

How are weapon unlocks going to work though? Halo doesn't have that large of a weapon set.

[Amit]

Previous Halo games didn't have that large of a weapon set.

FTFY. Let's see how they do this one up.

[Kornman00]

How are weapon unlocks going to work though? Halo doesn't have that large of a weapon set.
They're probably going to do some shit with weapons having interchangeable parts (since Humans have had four years to 'improve upon tech with Forerunner research' and such). Maybe that's why the BR looks like shit, because that is the basic variant.

Instant respawn in TS can kiss my ass, though.

[Hotrod]

I doubt they'll have interchangeable parts, since weapon customization isn't something Halo is ready for just yet.

[DarkHalo003]

Or maybe secondary triggers for weapons as a modification? Night vision for scopes? I don't think it'll be anything like BF3, but simple things like what I just listed.

[Pooky]

uhm, you do too gain accuracy while crouching in reach!!

Not as far as I'm aware <_<


Shields are relevant because Halo started the regenerative health in a successful FPS.

Wait... what on Earth are you talking about.

[TVTyrant]

Wait... what on Earth are you talking about.
Was that even English?

[BobtheGreatII]

Well, judging that there is a DMR and a BR... I'm guessing they've probably upped the weapon count.

[t3h m00kz]

Not as far as I'm aware <_<


try it

watch the ret bloom take twice as long to expand

[Kornman00]

I doubt they'll have interchangeable parts, since weapon customization isn't something Halo is ready for just yet.
not ready, how?

(I mean, 343i is doing all this other shit. it's not a Bungie Halo)

[DarkHalo003]

Wait... what on Earth are you talking about.
Never mind. I was referring to Halo being the frontier title for successful FPS console shooter with regenerating shields and nice control scheme.

[Arteen]

The campaign sounds fun, at least. But if they cut firefight, who knows what else they cut. Theatre? 4-player co-op?

[Bobblehob]

They did say there was still 4 player co-op, the replacement for firefight, the Spartan Ops thing is also 4 player co-op.

[Kornman00]

They've continued to build on the Reach engine, so they would have to be pretty lazy to not have Theatre this time around (and fans would raaaaaaaaaaaaaage). Luckily, they've already said (at PAX 2011) that Forge would reappear, so I'm betting they're not going to totally trip up and cut Theatre. Well, unless they rename that too.

343i presents: Halo "On-Demand" :downs:

[Pooky]

try it

watch the ret bloom take twice as long to expand

Hmm. Didn't know that. But then, nobody ever crouches in Halo. That only seems to prove me more right though.


Never mind. I was referring to Halo being the frontier title for successful FPS console shooter with regenerating shields and nice control scheme.

Well, since that's basically what I already said, I wasn't really sure where you were coming from :P

[t3h m00kz]

being right on the internet is what matters most in life!! even if the assumption itself was completely 100% wrong and unresearched!!

[Cortexian]

being right on the internet is what matters most in life!! even if the assumption itself was completely 100% wrong and unresearched!!
See: My posts.

[t3h m00kz]

why

they're all terrible

dohohoho

[Pooky]

being right on the internet is what matters most in life!! even if the assumption itself was completely 100% wrong and unresearched!!

Um, what are you even talking about. I consented that you were right about the crouching thing, so I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

[Cortexian]

why

they're all terrible

dohohoho
However they are always right!

[t3h m00kz]

of course

[Kornman00]

Look, someone fucked with the thread titles! Hey, don't look at me, I haven't had mod powers in years.

yep, it was freeprancer

[Hotrod]

not ready, how?

(I mean, 343i is doing all this other shit. it's not a Bungie Halo)
It's just that every weapon in Halo is meant to be balanced in regards to a certain niche it's meant to filled, and every weapon is meant to be useful in its own place and time. (Whether this was done correctly or not is a different matter). Every weapon is supposed to be balanced with the rest of the weapons, and everybody knows the role of each weapon. Adding weapon attachments could potentially unbalance something to the point where it's too powerful and becomes the one weapon people go to in all situations (Halo 3 BR anyone?).

I dunno, creating a nice balance in a Halo game with attachments would be almost impossible, and people definitely wouldn't be starting roughly equally anymore. The way they seem to be doing it with Halo 4 at the moment implies that as you level up, you get more options, not necessarily better ones, just different. Having unlockable attachments gives you better options as you rank up, giving an advantage to those that have played longer, which goes against the whole soul of Halo. Not to mention that the fanbase would rage about it.

[=sw=warlord]

See: My posts.
But they're about as right as the last Reich.

[t3h m00kz]

two dalek avatars..

[=sw=warlord]

Daleks reign supreme.
All hail the Daleks! (http://www.modacity.net/forums/converse.php?u=432&u2=503)

[Hotrod]

Two Dalek avatars is too little, isn't it? We need to convert more people to Dalekism! Exterminate! Exterminate!

[Amit]

Gaylo.

[Tnnaas]

No! Boo new Elites, boo new Grunts, boo new Cortana!

Microsoft makes me go all :maddowns:

http://www.halodestiny.net/images/news/halo_4_gameinformer_mai_scan_5_1.jpghttp://www.halodestiny.net/images/news/halo_4_gameinformer_mai_scan_6.jpg
http://www.halodestiny.net/images/news/halo_4_gameinformer_mai_scan_7.jpg
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http://www.halodestiny.net/images/news/halo_4_gameinformer_mai_scan_13.jpg
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http://www.halodestiny.net/images/news/halo_4_gameinformer_mai_scan_15.jpg
http://www.halodestiny.net/images/news/halo_4_gameinformer_mai_scan_16.jpg
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http://www.halodestiny.net/images/news/halo_4_gameinformer_mai_scan_18.jpg
Multiplayer looks slightly promising though. From the images, there isn't any player customization, but we're several months off from that.

[Hotrod]

It says in the article that player customization is in, no need to get worried.

And what's wrong with the Elites, Grunts and Cortana looking different? Grunts have stayed pretty much the same, but Elites and Cortana have changed after every game. In plus, 343 Industries should put their own spin on things rather than just copy Bungie.

[Tnnaas]

It isn't so much Cortana being different which there is never two of the same but it just seems like the stark contrast jump from Halo: CE to Halo 2 for me. The Elites however are looking more like Jackals and their heads are shrinking. Also, the Grunts don't have that crab-like feel that they've had for the past ten years. They seem more reptilian than they should.