iCensor

[Kornman00]

Building off my previous thread (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?23480-Recording-police-fuckups-is-now-a-punishable-offense...in-the-eyes-of-fucktard-cops), we now have this: Is Apple Launching a Pre-emptive Strike Against Free Speech (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy-karr/is-apple-launching-a-pree_b_881940.html)?

If you can't read the entire article, don't bother posting.



So you think you control your smartphone? Think again.



Late last week reports uncovered a plan (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2004233/Apple-files-patent-block-iPhone-users-filming-live-events-smartphone.html?ak_proof=1) by Apple, manufacturer of the iPhone, to patent technology that can detect when people are using their phone cameras and shut them down.



Apple says this technology was intended to stop people from recording video at live concerts, which should worry the creative commons crowd. But a remote "kill switch" has far more sinister applications in the hands of repressive governments. And it further raises concerns about the power new media companies hold over our right to connect and communicate.



Imagine if Apple's device had been available to the Mubarak regime earlier this year, and Egyptian security forces had deployed it around Tahrir Square to disable cameras just before they sent in their thugs to disperse the crowd.

Would the global outcry that helped drive Mubarak from office have occurred if a blackout of protest videos had prevented us from viewing the crackdown?

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In its patent application (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2011/0128384.html), Apple describes the technology as making it impossible to capture video or pictures at events where cameras and video recorders are prohibited. Your phone determines whether an image includes an infrared beam with encoded data. This data is sent from an emitter that directs the cellphone or a similar device to shut down image capture. Disabling emitters could be mounted on stages, throughout public squares or, conceivably, on police helmets.

Jobs: The worm inside Apple. Use your own kill switch (http://act2.freepress.net/go/4626).

[Spartan094]

Another attempt to control us. Ohh boy I don't see this going far at all.

This is repulsive. Fucking apple, good thing I never have and never will buy a single thing from them.

[annihilation]

Oh look, another reason never to buy an Apple product.

The fucked up thing is that Apple has the legal right to do that. Oh well, have fun not having a single penny of mine, Apple.

[Cortexian]

If it were only used at places were video cameras were legally prohibited, I'm fine with that. If Apple rolls out this technology, will it only be used in those places though? Probably not...

I'm against this because Apple will likely lose control of their anti-recording emitters or get greedy and sell them off to some Police force that doesn't want people filming their officers. I wouldn't have a problem with this type of tech being mounted on special forces gear or Police tactical units though.

[Amit]

Simple: don't use an iPhone.

[Kornman00]

I wouldn't have a problem with this type of tech being mounted on special forces gear or Police tactical units though.
Both have the ability to abuse this. So I mind both of them using it.

Would empower criminals even more if non-military use it. All they have to do is have a device which detects the IR signal, and they can tell when someone is coming.

[Donut]

this probably goes without saying, but police could abuse it so we wouldnt even have footage of stuff like this (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?23480-Recording-police-fuckups-is-now-a-punishable-offense...in-the-eyes-of-fucktard-cops). i can see all sorts of general trolling potential too. inb4 "how to build IR iphone jammer" on youtube. and wont the people who program those jailbreaking apps just include something that disables the IR checking mechanism? or is that in the hardware or something?

and for some reason, i have a feeling apple doesnt even really give a shit about things like concerts being put online

[Bodzilla]

Hey apple,


suck my fucking cock.

[ThePlague]

^Like.

[=sw=warlord]

Has the technology arrived yet to censor Apple from society so we don't have to endure more of their shitty policies?

E:
Stark contrasts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

[Cortexian]

Yeah, jailbreaking will still make this completely irrelevant so in my opinion it's irrelevant.

That said, I don't use my iPhone to record things. I almost always throw my GoPro HD in a bag or pocket if I'm going somewhere.

[Mr Buckshot]

Typical Apple ideology. What's worse is that they have more than enough loyal customers to embrace every decision they make.

[Cortexian]

It's a good idea, the problem is that it'll most likely be used by more than just areas where you're not allowed to film.

[p0lar_bear]

First thing I thought about was the fact that I live near Electric Boat, and the "NO CAMERAS" signs posted all over the place since it's a nuclear sub manufacturer. Thought it'd be useful for things like that.

But...


If it were only used at places were video cameras were legally prohibited, I'm fine with that. If Apple rolls out this technology, will it only be used in those places though? Probably not...

I'm against this because Apple will likely lose control of their anti-recording emitters or get greedy and sell them off to some Police force that doesn't want people filming their officers. I wouldn't have a problem with this type of tech being mounted on special forces gear or Police tactical units though.


this probably goes without saying, but police could abuse it so we wouldnt even have footage of stuff like this (http://www.modacity.net/forums/showthread.php?23480-Recording-police-fuckups-is-now-a-punishable-offense...in-the-eyes-of-fucktard-cops). i can see all sorts of general trolling potential too. inb4 "how to build IR iphone jammer" on youtube. and wont the people who program those jailbreaking apps just include something that disables the IR checking mechanism? or is that in the hardware or something?

and for some reason, i have a feeling apple doesnt even really give a shit about things like concerts being put online

I can see this doing more harm than good, for pretty much those reasons there. Too many people out there doing shit they don't want recorded for the wrong reasons, and this would get abused, no questions about it.

[TheGhost]

This is one of thousands of patents that will never make it into a real product. Stop freaking out, people.

[Kornman00]

Float away ghosts~~

[TVTyrant]

I have a hard time seeing this come to fruition. Still, its a scary thought. I really hope this doesn't become an actual product, but then again I don't own ANYTHING Apple, so fuck off Steve Jobs.

[DarkHalo003]

In the US, wouldn't this be considered violating right to privacy? Just saying, this goes overboard on quite a few levels.

[thehoodedsmack]

No, it's very pro-privacy. You might make the argument against freedom of the press, but I doubt press would be recording with an iPhone.

[=sw=warlord]

In the US, wouldn't this be considered violating right to privacy? Just saying, this goes overboard on quite a few levels.

You mean the US where phone tapping is common?

[TVTyrant]

You mean the US where phone tapping is common?
You know everywhere where wire tapping is common?

[leorimolo]

All brought to you courtesy of "THE PATRIOT ACT"

sucks to live in america.

[=sw=warlord]

You know everywhere where wire tapping is common?

Yo. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4542880.stm)

[Kornman00]

Do texts fall under the wire-tapping shenanigans? I wonder if the CIA has a sexting database built yet.

[Cortexian]

Do texts fall under the wire-tapping shenanigans? I wonder if the CIA has a sexting database built yet.
They tried but all your sexts made them think twice.

[TVTyrant]

Yo. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4542880.stm)
No shit? I'm just saying the assumption its "Only in Amerikkkuh" is silly. Wire tapping is a tool used by governments the world over to try and gather intelligence.

[annihilation]

In the US, wouldn't this be considered violating right to privacy? Just saying, this goes overboard on quite a few levels.

No. Technically you're only renting products from Apple. Since it is still their property they can do whatever they please since you have almost no rights on someone else's property.

[DarkHalo003]

So it's one of those "because our contract says so" deals where you give up some rights to utilize their devices? What about people who didn't sign the contracted deal? Wouldn't that be violating their privacy. Then again, we have YouTube and people upload videos of others without the mass' consent, so I guess my argument here is kind of void. At least, that's how I see it.


You mean the US where phone tapping is common?
I trust our government in this aspect because they do it to protect us. I don't believe in any of the conspiracies that our government uses wire tapping for their own selfish gain. Plus, I have nothing to hide and I do nothing illegal. Sorry, point being that there is a massive difference between having the general populace (mainly civilian/commercial populace) having the ability to be snooping in ways that should not be snooped compared to a government snooping, which if you don't expect that then you need a reality check. The U.S. government isn't made of boogie-men.

[TeeKup]

I trust our government in this aspect because they do it to protect us.

You do realize it's your civic duty to always question your government right? Questioning the government is supposed to help root out corruption and false decision (thats the theory anyway, not like it actually works in reality). Then again you said "in this aspect" so whatever.

[=sw=warlord]

I trust our government in this aspect because they do it to protect us.
Even though they break the very same laws that they set out to protect us in the first place?
The very same Government that has policies in place for assassinating members of it's own populace?
I don't believe in any of the conspiracies that our government uses wire tapping for their own selfish gain.
The Government exists to control it's population and reduce risk to it's said population, but at the same time it has also garnered a extremely massive debt over it's own over spending and terrible economical sense.
It has helped put it's population into a debt so massive that at the rate they are planning on clearing it, would take over a century to achieve.
Does this sound like a government that is responsible and only has the population in it's mind sight?
Plus, I have nothing to hide and I do nothing illegal. Sorry, point being that there is a massive difference between having the general populace (mainly civilian/commercial populace) having the ability to be snooping in ways that should not be snooped compared to a government snooping,
Are you suggesting this should not be scrutinized? (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/us/01nsa.html)
Remember what I said about it's population not being exempt from assassinations?
Political assassination may be outlawed for the most part but that doesn't mean the people who make the decisions cannot find ways to bend the rules, after all they ARE the ones who make the rules.
Invading one's privacy on passive way without cause or reason is a direct invasion of ones privacy, something last I heard, was actually considered a Human Right.
The U.S. government isn't made of boogie-men.
No, instead it's filled with aging xenophobic men and women who are more or less completely out of touch as far as the current situation in the world.
They are only just now realizing that cyber attacks can be as dangerous as full on invasions.
They're only just now providing basic respect to certain "minority" groups.
Their own telecommunications regulation board bends over at any twist and turn to any telecommunications company asks them to and yet for a organization designed to protect it's citizens seems to be listening more to corporate interests rather than what is really needed currently.

[Bodzilla]

Murphy's golden rule kid, who ever has the gold makes the rules.

[Pooky]

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[Kornman00]

I lol'd. Didn't realize the site had ads for guests.

[TheGhost]

Hahaha. Yeah, I am trying out ads for guests on the first post of the showthread view to see if they are effective. As long as registered users aren't seeing any ads I figure none of you will care (most of you probably have an ad blocker anyway lol).

[DarkHalo003]

No, instead it's filled with aging xenophobic men and women who are more or less completely out of touch as far as the current situation in the world.
They are only just now realizing that cyber attacks can be as dangerous as full on invasions.
They're only just now providing basic respect to certain "minority" groups.
Their own telecommunications regulation board bends over at any twist and turn to any telecommunications company asks them to and yet for a organization designed to protect it's citizens seems to be listening more to corporate interests rather than what is really needed currently.
1.) Assassinate members of its own populace? Like I said, conspiracy theory, unless you are referring to something and I didn't understand your statement.
2.) We've been in war. Debt was accumulated by a vague war. War causes debt in modern times. Not saying this is an excuse, but if you expect a country to be debt free while fighting a war in modern times (if you expect a country NOT be in debt at all really) then you need a reality check. And a government does not exist to control its populace; it exists to carry out the demands of its populace and provide protection for the populace from foreign/indigenous threats (which wiretapping helps accomplish).
3.) Once again, I fail to see what your point is here. It only talks about how our government violated regulations regarding wiretapping, that the gov't should give reparations for "damages," and that basically the article is biased towards anti-wiretapping. It's not a good example. Imagine the chaos that could have erupted had their been no Wiretapping. The gov't doesn't do it to snoop around and get into our business just to mess with us, but does it to weed out those aimed at disestablishment via terrorism and potential threats toward the country. I'm not talking about the Politicians who sit on their hands and act like flip-flopping morons (it's difficult to find a politician that actually stand their ground) when I talk about those Wiretapping into phone lines. I'm talking and routing for the Defense Departments and Agencies designed to protect us.

Once again, you may find something profound about it, but I don't because I have nothing to hide and I don't care what the gov't hears when I talk/text/whatever. If they want to know something about me, then chances are, they already know it. I rather them use it and have better capabilities in protecting this state instead of not having it and being virtually in the dark about unknown plots against the well-being of the nation.

I do agree that our gov't has portions of it that bend to the whims of its corporations, but I think that's a bit too far out of this discussion. If you use arguments so vague and so plausible because they are vague, then I can say that everything that our gov't does for defense is perfectly fine. There are holes everywhere in these kinds of arguments. I'm focusing on the benefits of wiretapping, a method of monitoring communications of everyone in the country that is controversial because it does not ask before listening, and how that particular method is acceptable in protecting the state from threats of all kinds. The examples you're using are only worst case scenarios and offer the most extreme of conditions:

-Not all gov't employees, politicians, and workers are xenophobic old people. What I mean is, there may be a lot of older people working for the gov't (which isn't bad considering their experience), but there aren't nearly as many xenophobic and extreme employees as people say/think/hear. A government's workforce isn't just Congress, if that's where you're pointing your finger at.

-It's a new age of technology utilizing computers, so I understand the concern for cyber-attacks, but your statement really has no ground to stand on. The government knows and expects A LOT MORE than we do because their intelligence gathering (Wiretapping, to keep things central here) is far more vast and capable than the media's is. I also fathom how on Earth you know what the government knows and doesn't know.

-Maybe our majority should speak up more. The reason why the minority is being favored is because the government is trying to make up for past suppression (though without its help these minorities would never have the freedoms they do, so I don't understand why our government feels so compelled to always try and raise the minority status, which they are only minorities because of the amount of people living in the country, which the majority/minority categorization is a horrible mentality anyways) or because everything focuses on being politically correct because everyone is scared of being overthrown/voted out/sued/whatever.

-Citizens of this state need to learn to take responsibility and take the damn consequences of their actions. Own up to your mistakes. That's why the economy is in such shit, that's why we have horrible leaders in this country, and that's why we always blame the wrong people for whatever goes wrong in the nation. Everyone wants to blame others so that they don't have to feel like shit, but you know what, tough shit for them because its all our faults. Fucking own up for your mistakes people. And I'm talking about EVERYONE now: the citizens and the government. We all screwed the pooch and didn't take responsibility. Our debt and our economy's rough shape is because we couldn't be responsible with our money. Now we pay the consequences. Fucking deal with it.

[Amit]

Is there a Tl;dr version of that? Nobody is going to read that fucking block of text.

[DarkHalo003]

Is there a Tl;dr version of that? Nobody is going to read that fucking block of text.
Heh, sorry, all it is is a counterargument and some other things. I can't really sum any of it up.

It's also not that long of a read. It's just a counterargument and only reflects my opinion. God forbid my opinion be different than anyone else's.

[Rainbow Dash]

it's more of a block of retardation, so don't bother amit.

[king_nothing_]

I trust our government in this aspect because they do it to protect us.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[DarkHalo003]

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
*facepalm*

I wish I could really just let go of trying to explain that a.) our gov't isn't a cluster fuck of boogey men b.) half of a lot of angst is created by conspiracies and he-said/she-said scenarios c.) that you should trust/have faith in your gov't just as much as you should challenge them.

I feel I'm getting off-topic and derailing the thread with all of this.

Topic: iCensor

[Bodzilla]

bro it's been literally proven AND taken to court that the government was doing un-trialed executions of members of the populace.

[king_nothing_]

*facepalm*

I wish I could really just let go of trying to explain that a.) our gov't isn't a cluster fuck of boogey men b.) half of a lot of angst is created by conspiracies and he-said/she-said scenarios c.) that you should trust/have faith in your gov't just as much as you should challenge them.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never have been. I don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to be sickened by someone effectively saying "who cares about the Fourth Amendment unless you've got something to hide? They're doing it to protect us!"

[=sw=warlord]

I don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to be sickened by someone effectively saying "who cares about the Fourth Amendment unless you've got something to hide? They're doing it to protect us!"

Fuck the constitution, right to privacy, ownership of property and to do as one chooses with said property are all there in the recognised Human rights.

[king_nothing_]

Don't fuck the Constitution, please. :ohdear:

[Kornman00]

I don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to be sickened by someone effectively saying "who cares about the Fourth Amendment unless you've got something to hide? They're doing it to protect us!"

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[DarkHalo003]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and never have been. I don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to be sickened by someone effectively saying "who cares about the Fourth Amendment unless you've got something to hide? They're doing it to protect us!"
But that's only a part of what I said and is only an example, though I'll take it was a bad one. In this particular scenario, it wouldn't bother me at all if our GOVERNMENT were listening, recording what was going on, mainly because I really have nothing of interest or anything that I would care the gov't knew. That's just how I see it though. Sorry if I sounded blind and lapdogish, but I don't see this sort of thing as something to utterly stress about. Our government in the US doesn't suppress the populace in our ability to live or have rights, so I'm not too worried.

Getting back on topic, I don't feel comfortable with corporations and other citizens (if they can obtain such a device) snooping. Not sure what it is in comparison to our gov't, but I feel right to privacy is more to defend citizens from larger corporations and quartering of soldiers.

[Amit]

LAWL:


Apple is watching your every move. If you have already liberated your phone, reconsider. If your iPhone came with Phillips screws, you’re not out of the woods either. Fact of the matter is, if your iPhone has Phillips screws on the bottom, YOU MIGHT BE IN DANGER.

“People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vaporized was the usual word.” We read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four) in a book once. It might be relevant, or it might be over-the-top fear mongering. (But what if it’s not?)

iPhone 4 Oppression Kit (http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011/04/01/iphone-4-oppression-kit/)

[leorimolo]

Don't fuck the Constitution, please. :ohdear:
Too late.

[king_nothing_]

Too late.
Good call.